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Murray Chass has a nice Sunday post covering some of the biggest names in the game. Let's take a look:
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Actually, it's Alex Escobar not Yunel.. So this doesn't affect the Braves at all...
Posted by: OnDeckBatta10 | December 21, 2008 at 03:17 PM
Cashman took the risk, and so far, it's worked.
If Hughes turns into something valuable (not less likely than many lauded prospects in the game today), and Sabathia performs to expectations, Cashman will (and should) be lauded for the move. If he had traded for Santana, missed out on Sabathia, and Hughes turned into something while the Yankees had Santana for his decline years, Cashman will have (and should have) been derided for the move.
You simply can't start judging the move when it will take years to resolve itself. That's just bad analysis.
Posted by: AndrewYF | December 21, 2008 at 03:19 PM
the braves should trade escobar to redsox
Posted by: noah | December 21, 2008 at 03:24 PM
the braves should trade escobar to redsox
Posted by: noah | December 21, 2008 at 03:27 PM
the braves should trade escobar to redsox
Posted by: noah | December 21, 2008 at 03:27 PM
"the braves should trade escobar to redsox"
"the braves should trade escobar to redsox"
"the braves should trade escobar to redsox"
you obviously feel very strongly about this?
Posted by: 04Forever | December 21, 2008 at 03:30 PM
Even if it is Yunel, the fact that he is "unsigned" is irrelevant as he is under the Braves control for the next 5 seasons regardless. The Braves don't have to seriously negotiate anything if they don't want.
Posted by: nixa37 | December 21, 2008 at 03:35 PM
"the braves should trade escobar to redsox"
Sure - for Jed Lowrie, Clay Buchholz, and Lars Anderson.
Posted by: BravesAllTheWay | December 21, 2008 at 03:38 PM
"Actually, it's Alex Escobar not Yunel.. So this doesn't affect the Braves at all..."
I was getting ready to post that same information. These reporters need to do their research.
Posted by: BravesAllTheWay | December 21, 2008 at 03:39 PM
Murray Chass still writes about Baseball?
Posted by: Andrew | December 21, 2008 at 03:41 PM
It was nice to see this as well": “The agent was announcing to everyone Monday night that he was coming to the Braves,” Frank Wren, the Braves’ general manager, said in a telephone interview. “That’s how it became a major story. It didn’t come from me.”
Obviously that's coming from Wren, so take it for what its worth. Still though, I'm pretty sure the Braves are confident the leak didn't come from their side, considering the timing of the first report early Tuesday morning. The article also hints at Kinzer being the constant source of leaks throughout the whole Furcal negotiation process this offseason, which I think everyone already suspects.
Posted by: nixa37 | December 21, 2008 at 03:42 PM
Boras is, as usual, full of crap. The Red Sox should continue to call his bluff. In this economy,8/160m. is the max he's going to get so he should decide among the suitors and sign.
Posted by: MickS | December 21, 2008 at 03:47 PM
"I was getting ready to post that same information. These reporters need to do their research."
in fact, the only player that is represented by the firm that is on the Braves is Peter Moylan, who failed to even be mentioned
Posted by: OnDeckBatta10 | December 21, 2008 at 03:54 PM
"Brian Cashman has said that his refusal to trade for Johan Santana last year was because the Yankees knew C.C. Sabathia was going to be a free agent this year."
I really hope he's just saying that to save face for passing on Santana. Otherwise, that is REALLY dumb.
Posted by: icedrake523 | December 21, 2008 at 04:04 PM
""Brian Cashman has said that his refusal to trade for Johan Santana last year was because the Yankees knew C.C. Sabathia was going to be a free agent this year."
I really hope he's just saying that to save face for passing on Santana. Otherwise, that is REALLY dumb."
Yeah REALLY DUMB. Now Cashman has a Santana quality pitcher AND Hughes, Kennedy, A Jackson instead of just Santana...what an idiot!
With the prospects Cashman would've dealt for Santana he can now trade for any but a handful of players in all of MLB.
Murray Chass is a dinosaur who doesn't no squat about the subject he's writing about. He just trying to cover his own rear end after ripping Cash for not making the Santana deal last year!
Posted by: Don W | December 21, 2008 at 04:11 PM
icedrake523 - apparently not, since now he has Sabathia, and still has his young pitchers. And considering the Yankees probably wouldn't have made the playoffs last year with or without Santana (or, at least, wouldn't have gone very far at all), it seems like a win already to me. Of course, Sabathia and Hughes could bomb, and Santana ring off multiple Cy Youngs, but so far it seems like 'the plan' has worked.
Posted by: AndrewYF | December 21, 2008 at 04:13 PM
"Escobar is unsigned for 2009."
I don't think he is even a Wasserman client. Regardless he isn't a free agent, Yunel Escobar is not even eligible for arbitration. The Braves need only to simply renew his contract.
Posted by: FanOTheRumors2 | December 21, 2008 at 04:14 PM
""Brian Cashman has said that his refusal to trade for Johan Santana last year was because the Yankees knew C.C. Sabathia was going to be a free agent this year."
I really hope he's just saying that to save face for passing on Santana. Otherwise, that is REALLY dumb."
Not at all. If I was Cashman, I wouldn't have traded Hughes for Santana straight up. 6 years of a potential ace for one year of a proven ace? I will take the latter. Especially when the Yankees would have been obligated to give Johan a crazy big deal. Now they give out the crazy big deal, and they keep their best pitching prospect.
AndrewYF nailed it, perfectly. In my opinion Cashman did everything right regarding Hughes/Santana and the reporters/fans who bash Cashman because Hughes didn't succeed in year one of Johan's 8 year deal are nothing but a joke. And this is coming from a Met fan, so I have no bias stopping me from being objective. If anything, I would be inclined to bash the Yankees, but there is no bashing to be done, because Cashman made all the right moves. Missing the playoffs one time and then retooling while keeping your best piece for the future is not a bad thing, even in Yankee land.
Posted by: nrmax88 | December 21, 2008 at 04:30 PM
Yeah, except St. Johan is clearly the better pitcher. In fact, you can put anyone up against him, and St. Johan is still clearly the better pitcher. Kennedy is crap and Hughes is most likely crap, as his curveball seemed to abandon him at all the wrong times last year. Of course, Bill Smith came back to the Yankees and asked for Kennedy, Cabrera and a mid-tier guy before taking the Mets package, and Cashman said no. Kudos, Mr. Chass. You hit the nail right on the head.
Posted by: metsobsessed | December 21, 2008 at 04:57 PM
"Sure - for Jed Lowrie, Clay Buchholz, and Lars Anderson."
hahahaha, keep him, please!
Posted by: 04Forever | December 21, 2008 at 05:15 PM
"f course, Bill Smith came back to the Yankees and asked for Kennedy, Cabrera and a mid-tier guy before taking the Mets package, and Cashman said no. Kudos, Mr. Chass. You hit the nail right on the head."
If by mid-tier prospect you mean Chien Ming Wang then you're right. That was the Twins' final asking price. They previously had asked for Hughes, Kennedy, Jackson and a lesser prospect. Those two packages along with the $ was way too much for Santana. They got Sabathia for the money and less than the value of Austin Jackson, (Yankees' 1st rounder).
Posted by: Don W | December 21, 2008 at 05:35 PM
"Yeah REALLY DUMB. Now Cashman has a Santana quality pitcher AND Hughes, Kennedy, A Jackson instead of just Santana...what an idiot!"
He was banking on the fact that Cleveland would have re-signed CC. As a GM, you should NEVER count on a player hitting free agency in order to acquire them.
BTW, Kennedy stinks. He's too afraid to throw a strike. Hughes has poor conditioning and hasn't lived up to his overrated potential.
Posted by: icedrake523 | December 21, 2008 at 05:42 PM
Seems pretty shaky that the Braves can't choose to do business where they please especially based on their perception of un-ethical behavior.
Seems pretty odd that they would be forced to do business with anyone. That would be like someone telling you that you have to go to Blockbuster to get your movies even if the last 10 you got there were scratched to hell and un-watchable.
Posted by: Otis26 | December 21, 2008 at 06:06 PM
icedrake: BTW, Kennedy stinks. He's too afraid to throw a strike. Hughes has poor conditioning and hasn't lived up to his overrated potential.
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That's the dumbest statement of the year. "Hughe's poor conditioning"? The guy had a broken rib this year and a broken shin last year. It's not like he came into camp 20 lbs over weight dude. That's the most frustrating thing about Yankee fans. It's not that the prospects are overhyped because last I checked none of the "expert" talent evaluaters are on the Yankee payroll, it's too high expectations from the prospects too soon and the quick label of a "bust" that's put on them when they struggle initially.
Hughes and Kennedy both have talent but they have got to do on the big league level. Both have clearly proven themselves on the minor league level and need to make the transition to big league players. But keep in mind that Hughes is only 22 and Kennedy is only 24 yrs old and is only 2 years removed from pitching in NCAA competition. The best things about signing CC and AJ is that we can afford to let them develop a little more.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 21, 2008 at 06:08 PM
Brilliant response, icedrake523. I agree completely. There is absolutely no reason Brian Cashman should have a job as a major league GM. Look at how poorly he's handled starting pitching. Kevin Brown, Jaret Wright, Carl Pavano, Randy Johnson, and more. Soon we'll be able to add A.J. Burnett to that list. What a scrub
Posted by: metsobsessed | December 21, 2008 at 06:08 PM
braves should trade escobar to the Red Sox shortstop
Posted by: noah | December 21, 2008 at 07:06 PM
braves should trade escobar to the Red Sox shortstop
Posted by: noah | December 21, 2008 at 07:07 PM
the yanks should take a page from the sox book and get a farm system.
Posted by: glen_quagmire | December 21, 2008 at 07:11 PM
People are still doubting the Yankees farm system, they have one of the best in the MLB.
Cashman has really had a nice run of moves, he is one of the better GMs in the league right now. Even ignoring the money, the Swisher trade, the Nady trade, etc.
Posted by: B3NG4L | December 21, 2008 at 07:37 PM
I think sabathia is a monster on the mound cashman made the right deal besides the twins wanted way too much for santana.
I think the yanks should make another deal for another quality pitcher. They can trade kennedy , matsui, kei igawa, maybe brent garner for jake peavy. In my mind Sabathia, Wang, peavy, burnett and phil coke sounds really good. plus i would leave joba in the bullpen.
Posted by: dabambino | December 21, 2008 at 10:51 PM
In my mind Sabathia, Wang, peavy, burnett and phil coke sounds really good. plus i would leave joba in the bullpen.
Posted by: dabambino | December 21, 2008 at 10:51 PM
yes i would leave joba in the pen but i would also leave coke in thier too because in AA he struggled as a starter and in AAA and MLB he was great as a reliever. we got a ton of #5 pitchers use them and i think you need at least 6 more players for the peavy deal
Posted by: yanksfan4ever | December 22, 2008 at 10:25 AM