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By Cork Gaines [December 16, 2008 at 6:32pm CST]
A few random notes from around the MLBiverse...
- The Cardinals signed infielder Joe Thurston and catcher Justin Knoedler to minor league deals with spring training invites. Thurston appeared in four games for the Red Sox in '08, while Knoedler last appeared in the majors with the Giants in '06.
- Jordan Bastian says the Blue Jays are not one of the teams that have offered a contract to Daniel Cabrera. The Jays are interested, but want to see Cabrera pitch in the Dominican Winter League before making an offer...Cabrera's agent says eleven teams have shown interest and Cabrera has received two contract offers.
- Jon Heyman is reporting that the FBI is still investigating Miguel Tejada, which will hinder any attempts to trade the shortstop...We previously heard that the Astros were trying hard to move Tejada but had yet to find any suitors.
- Mike Bauman believes the Red Sox offer to Mark Teixeira could be a direct reaction to the recent signings of C.C. Sabathia and A.J. Burnett by the Yankees. Bauman says the Red Sox "cannot sit idly by and watch the Yanks make dramatic, if incredibly expensive, improvements."
Cork Gaines writes for RaysIndex.com and can be reached here.
When do the Yankees offer Tex a contract before it's too late?
Posted by: YankeeFan4life | December 16, 2008 at 06:38 PM
Congrats to Mike Bauman for saying what I've seen about 1200 other people say.
Posted by: GP | December 16, 2008 at 06:38 PM
I'm surprised there aren't more teams interested in Cabrera considering the walking dead that continue to stride to the major league mound. The Phils gave Jaime Moyer 2 years. He's the only person who remembers what the Liberty Bell sounded like.
Posted by: coryjwilson | December 16, 2008 at 06:40 PM
Justin is a great pick up for the cards... he is the Springfield Il so everyone here is pretty excited he is going to be playing closer to home... He is a great guy and a great ball player... I used to work out with him when he was home for the offseason and people in Springfield couldnt be happier for him...
Posted by: BlueCatuli | December 16, 2008 at 06:42 PM
from springfield not the springfield
Posted by: BlueCatuli | December 16, 2008 at 06:42 PM
the yanks wont offer tex a contract, i dont see why alot of people think they will. the yanks need to focus on pitching and acquiring 1 more starter and a reliever
Posted by: 04Forever | December 16, 2008 at 06:42 PM
mike bauman is an idiot. tex was on the sox radar long before the yankees signed CC. i'd venture a guess that they were waiting for him to hit the free agent market before the yankees were waiting for CC.
what a stupid thing to say.
Posted by: EWS1532 | December 16, 2008 at 06:43 PM
Agreed,
EWS1532
Posted by: Cyyoung | December 16, 2008 at 06:47 PM
If the Yanks grab Manny, which Hank has already said literally " I want Manny", then the Teixeira acquisition is nullified for at least the extent of Manny's contract.
Manny and Arod 3-4, is the most powerful 3-4 you can have in the current game of baseball.
Throw the new starting pitching and even if they perform at a little above average (which I expect), they still win it all.
Posted by: KronTToP | December 16, 2008 at 06:49 PM
the yanks wont offer tex a contract, i dont see why alot of people think they will. the yanks need to focus on pitching and acquiring 1 more starter and a reliever
Posted by: 04Forever | December 16, 2008 at 06:42 PM
The Yankees need to add a powerful bat to their line-up because the loss of Bobby Abreu's and Jason Giambi's run production. Also, Manny does not do the job.
Posted by: YankeeFan4life | December 16, 2008 at 06:50 PM
"Also, Manny does not do the job."
Try telling that to Dodgers fans.
Posted by: vtadave | December 16, 2008 at 06:53 PM
Well YankeeFan,
What Manny did in Cleveland, Boston and LA is plenty fine...
His character seems to have changed now realizing modern organizations will not tolerate it.
Posted by: KronTToP | December 16, 2008 at 07:01 PM
The Yankees are set with pitching. If they get Pettitte for a year and 10-12 million then so be it, but Hughes, Kennedy, Aceves and co should be capable of holding down the 5th starter's spot, especially with the 4 starters in front of them.
As for the bullpen, they definitely don't need anyone else. Rivera, Marte, Bruney, Veras, and some combination of Ramirez, Albaladejo, Robertson, Coke and Aceves should be a very strong bullpen like it was last season.
They could use another bat, and I think Dunn would be the best fit. Have him play 1st, move Swisher to right, and try to trade Nady for prospects or possibly a centerfield upgrade while he is cheap and his value is relatively high.
Posted by: Eric | December 16, 2008 at 07:05 PM
This is pretty silly of Bauman. Teixeira has been on every teams radar since it was known he would hit the open market.
Shocking the Red Sox who are in need of an impact bat to replace Ramirez in their lineup are interested in the top impact bat on the free market.
Is this a reaction or just what any Front Office would do?
Next thing you know the Nationals attempt to sign Teixeira will be a reaction to the Mets signing K-Rod and trading for Putz.
Posted by: KangarooBoxer26 | December 16, 2008 at 07:06 PM
His character seems to have changed now realizing modern organizations will not tolerate it.
Posted by: KronTToP | December 16, 2008 at 07:01 PM
KronTTop, How are you determing Manny has had this great realization?
This is like Philly and Dallas thinking they could be the team that could control Terrel Owens.
As recent as July 30th Manny hadn't yet come to a realization that his behavior would no longer be tolerated. Then he was enabled by getting his trade and now he is sitting home waiting for another team to make the mistake of thinking they just might be the organization that finally changes him.
Posted by: KangarooBoxer26 | December 16, 2008 at 07:12 PM
I'm going to go ahead and disagree with bauman. Teix would be a great addition to the team, but as theo said he's by no means a necessity. go player for player
youkilis/swisher (adv sox)
pedroia/cano (adv sox)
lugo/jeter (adv yanks)
arod/lowell (adv yanks)
varitek/posada (adv yanks)
bay/nady (close to a tie)
ellsbury/damon (adv sox)
drew/cabrera (adv sox)
ortiz/matsui (adv sox)
rotations i've done before for you all on other posts so check other posts for that but those are very close to even also
I give slight rotation edge to the sox as well as a slight offensive edge WITHOUT teixiera.... but hey thats just my opinion. other insights?
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | December 16, 2008 at 07:28 PM
thats considering the sox sign varitek of course.
his markets lookin kinda small though. I think he's comin back to boston.
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | December 16, 2008 at 07:30 PM
04Forever, you kidding me? the Yanks had problems scoring runs last year, imagine without Abreu and Giambi? There is no one protecting A-Rod.
Posted by: DominicanYanks | December 16, 2008 at 07:33 PM
Eric-I like Dunn more at first if Nady is moved to left, Swisher to right and Damon is traded for something. He's coming off a solid year and still worth something to a team who needs a piece, while Nady could be a possibility to resign. I don't want Dunn though because I like Swisher's glove at first and Damon is their only prototypical leadoff hitter.
Santana-Nady will play right field, Bay plays left. Bay is better than Damon and Drew is comparable with Nady (when healthy), but much better on defense.
Ellsbury is better than both Gardner and Cabrera.
I would also consider Lowrie as the starting SS since he in all likelihood will be, but Jeter is still better.
Posted by: Vince Mercandetti | December 16, 2008 at 07:34 PM
Dominican-Giambi drove in 96 last year and scored 68. Swisher drove in 69 and scored 86. A year older from Giambi and Swisher not repeating his worst year ever and that's about a wash.
Abreu scored and drove in 100
Nady drove in 97 and scored 76 while spending most of the season with the Pirates.
Cano had a career worst year, and Posada and Matsui were out most of the season. A-Rod is due to have a monster year.
The offense would be fine without a major bat, but if one can be had for a short contract, I'd pull the trigger.
Posted by: Vince Mercandetti | December 16, 2008 at 07:38 PM
vince: Lugo will be the starting SS if he's not down. Lowrie did great things for us and i'd love for him to be our starter. he plays with alot of heart and was very clutch last year. However a 12mm contract cant be ignored. lugo sat due to injury, not choice.
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | December 16, 2008 at 07:41 PM
Also worthy to note:
Abreu had a .371 OBP, Giambi .373, Nady (.393 with Pitt, .323 with NY), and Swisher, as we know, .332, but the two years before that, .381 and .372. Swisher is on the wrong side of 30 to decline, so I'm thinking the OBP isn't as far off as people think either.
Posada, while hurt, still managed a .364 OBP after a .426 in his career year. That is glaring compared to the .263 Jose Molina put up.
Posted by: Vince Mercandetti | December 16, 2008 at 07:42 PM
Santana, the contract is an issue, but I think he will be traded. If he's not, I still think Boston has the balls in FO and under Francona to have Lugo at least be on a short leash.
Posted by: Vince Mercandetti | December 16, 2008 at 07:43 PM
lugo (if he doesn't play spectacular this year) may be the biggest contract choke in Red Sox history. Drew woulda make that list if he wasn't such a beast last year with ortiz out.
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | December 16, 2008 at 07:43 PM
vince: agree entirely that he will be on a short leash. but opening day i think u will see lugo. That contract is damned near impossible to move.
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | December 16, 2008 at 07:44 PM
and don't judge francona too quickly. Hes a bit of a hardass at times, but this is a guy who kept dustin pedroia in the lineup batting .167 against john henry's wishes because he knew he would be something special.
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | December 16, 2008 at 07:45 PM
I wish Cabrera luck, but, the odds are that he hits and misses bouncing from team to team for the next 2-3 years. His window to find command of his pitches is closing.
The real caveat to this is that he's likely only to receive incentive-laden deals, and, no team is going to give him the kind of extremely long leash that the Os did. For one reason few teams have the kind of holes in their rotation that the Os do at the major league level. Secondly, Cabrera is going to learn the lesson that the team that drafts you has a special investment in you that no new team will.
That being said, the main reason the Os released him is that his stuff has been regressing. So last year, his only value to the team as an innings-eater no longer even applied. He led the lead in Hit Batters, Walks, and Wild Pitches. Eats a lot of innings or not, he started to put a lot of pressure on the bullpen and hurt the team.
Posted by: basemonkey | December 16, 2008 at 07:45 PM
pedroia went on to hit .400 for the remainder of 2007.
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | December 16, 2008 at 07:46 PM
I think Clement and most players from the Red Sox in the 90's can be on or near the top of that list.
Drew's ALCS in 2007 and that hit to end the comeback in 2008 probably gives him a pass for eternity, but who didn't think they overpaid for him at the time after one solid, healthy season?
Posted by: Vince Mercandetti | December 16, 2008 at 07:46 PM
Yeah but it's entirely different to compare Lugo and Pedroia. Pedroia was the believed Sox 2b of the future. Francona stuck with him so as not to kill his confidence. The Sox are trying hard to get rid of Lugo and his salary, and Lowrie figures into their future, if anything it's the opposite situation right now in terms of loyalty.
Posted by: Vince Mercandetti | December 16, 2008 at 07:47 PM
yea exactly my point vince and i almost forgot clement.
and i dunno. lugo is pretty bad in his time with the sox... so far his .294 obp had to have been one of the worst in the AL in 07 and he was injured for just under half of 08... thats a pretty big choke.
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | December 16, 2008 at 07:50 PM
DANGGGGG. i wish someone would get a deal done. its been boring week. MAKE UP YOUR MIND TEIX!
Posted by: Sal from Tampa | December 16, 2008 at 07:50 PM
and lugo was a pretty solid hitter in his days in tb avg between .275-.310 each year. he could definitely still have a comeback. it was in the same division.
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | December 16, 2008 at 07:51 PM
DANGGGGGGGG!
I wish someone would get a deal done. Its been a boring week.
MAKE UP YOUR MIND TEIX!
Posted by: Sal from Tampa | December 16, 2008 at 07:51 PM
lowrie figures to be moved sadly. every speculation i've heard says he will be moved as they dont think he can ever be the "superstar" shortstop that they are looking for. Hes not rly their face of the future there.
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | December 16, 2008 at 07:52 PM
Sal from Tampa might be shortcircuiting.
Sal would you rather no deal happen, or Kazmir to be traded for a wild fixer upper pitcher and some crappy Mets prospects?
Yeah, I think Lugo just can't handle crowds. He used to kill the Yankees with Tampa too.
Posted by: Vince Mercandetti | December 16, 2008 at 07:53 PM
lowrie might be moved as part of a deal for a catcher if they sign teix and tek doesn't resign.
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | December 16, 2008 at 07:54 PM
Really? I haven't heard that anywhere. Why all the negative feelings on Lowrie? He was mediocre last season but he did play injured. Personally I think a lot of the Sox prospects MLB success has been overblown, but I didn't think Lowrie was by any means worse than Lugo. I guess "Superstar" is a stretch, though.
Posted by: Vince Mercandetti | December 16, 2008 at 07:55 PM
i hope lugo is moved. I dont see a return for him (Though possible). but as a sox fan i gotta say i'd much rather see almost anyone in the American League at that starting SS then Julio Lugo.
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | December 16, 2008 at 07:55 PM
Vince Mercandetti, How in the world can you say the offence is going to be ok with lets say Swicher hitting 4th? The Yanks had a better ERA in 2008 than in 2007. their inconsistent hitting was their problem. Yeah Giambi drove in 96, he was supposed to drive in a whole lot more with the guys he had in front. We need players to drive in more runs than Abreu and Giambi did.
Lets no forget that Nady was a simple 4th OF a few years ago, what makes you think he won't go back to being one now playing for the Yanks? He just hit 268 with them.
Matsui is coming from a injury you don't know what he is going to give you, Posada as well. You counting on A-rod and who to drive in runs? Nady and Swicher? Good luck.
Posted by: DominicanYanks | December 16, 2008 at 07:56 PM
I love lowrie. he hit what like 18 rbi's his first 2-3 weeks in the majors. He had a great year in my book for a guy who just came up out of necessity and was thrown in to start at fenway.
However i dont think theo epstein agrees with you. gimme a sec and i'll link some articles. check in a few minutes.
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | December 16, 2008 at 07:57 PM
The Phils ought to offer Daniel Cabrera a similar deal to Chan Ho Park's - $2.5M + up to $5M in incentives based on games started, perhaps with a vesting option for '10 if he makes 25+ starts. Both guys won't make the incentives, so presumably they'll have budgeted for the incentives already. I'm not sure that will do it for Cabrera, but it's worth a shot. I'd much rather give him a whirl in the rotation than Park.
Posted by: ColonelTom | December 16, 2008 at 07:59 PM
If the Yankees want hitting so bad why dont they just resign Giambi and Abreu. I mean both said they want to come back. Abreu was solid last year with 100 RBI's and Giambi still has some pop left.
Posted by: Reality Check | December 16, 2008 at 08:01 PM
Actually funny enough last article i can find now listing lowrie as trade bait is Oct. 28th boston.com news article saying that they should trade lowrie for catching from the rangers who appeared to have asked about lowrie's availability.
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | December 16, 2008 at 08:02 PM
reality check. i agree with u on abreau. not so much on giambi.
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | December 16, 2008 at 08:03 PM
reality check. i agree with u on abreau. not so much on giambi.
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | December 16, 2008 at 08:04 PM
Dominican:
It's about depth, not your cleanup hitter.
Damon
Jeter
Matsui
A-Rod
Posada
Nady
Swisher
Cano
Gardner
That'd be my lineup. Then A-Rod is your cleanup hitter. Matsui, when healthy, can still produce 100 RBI and he makes contact and hits lefty, at DH he should be productive, definitely more than he was last season.
There's no way in the world Swisher hits fourth, just because he's replacing Giambi's position doesn't mean he takes his spot in the order.
Posted by: Vince Mercandetti | December 16, 2008 at 08:05 PM
I would take Giambi back but then you have a log jam at DH with Giambi and Matsui. Swisher I suppose can wander and spell Damon, Nady, Gardner and Giambi and probably get 500 at bats, but I just don't see them taking back Giambi unless he is OK with a one year deal. Abreu, while he says he wants to come back, I doubt would take less than his 16 million or less than his three years.
Posted by: Vince Mercandetti | December 16, 2008 at 08:07 PM
Abreu wants a 3 year deal I believe.
Posted by: DominicanYanks | December 16, 2008 at 08:11 PM
Right, so Abreu is not coming back, though it's still suspect why they wouldn't offer him arbitration.
Posted by: Vince Mercandetti | December 16, 2008 at 08:12 PM
Vince Mercandetti, at leaste that would be something interesting to talk about. lol
but no, i wouldnt want that to happen.
Posted by: Sal from Tampa | December 16, 2008 at 08:13 PM
The Rays should make a deal for Abreu. They like Bradley more, but he'll most likely end up with the Cubs.
But Abreu has to lower his price tag first.
Posted by: Sal from Tampa | December 16, 2008 at 08:17 PM
Giambi will not be back because he is not a productive hitter. Yeah he is probably good for 30+ HR's but he bats .247 and still refuses to hit to the opposite field even though they throw that shift on every time he is up. Watching him on a day in day out basis will drive you crazy. He takes so many cock shot pitches it will make you want to strike the TV and he clogs up the bases when he finally gets on base. He is also an atrocious defender. Giambi is on the verge of becoming Matt Stairs except 10 years sooner.
Posted by: yanks09 | December 16, 2008 at 08:40 PM
*rotations i've done before for you all on other posts so check other posts for that but those are very close to even also*
Could you please point us lucky readers in the right direction? I'm frantically searching threads for this scintillating analysis.
I can't wait to see which pitchers have the "advantage" over the other pitchers!
Posted by: plh903 | December 16, 2008 at 09:46 PM
"Giambi will not be back because he is not a productive hitter. Yeah he is probably good for 30+ HR's but he bats .247 and still refuses to hit to the opposite field even though they throw that shift on every time he is up. Watching him on a day in day out basis will drive you crazy. He takes so many cock shot pitches it will make you want to strike the TV and he clogs up the bases when he finally gets on base. He is also an atrocious defender. Giambi is on the verge of becoming Matt Stairs except 10 years sooner."
Will you stop using statistics like this is 1996 and please get with the times? Batting average and home runs are NOT good statistics.
Giambi is still a very productive hitter. He may not be able to bat over .250, but he'll still get on at a .375ish clip, which is extremely good. In 2008 he finished with a very good .247/.373/.502 line, good enough for a 128 OPS+.
I'm not sure where you see that Giambi isn't a productive hitter anymore, because Giambi was probably their second best hitter in 2008, with Damon and Abreu very close right behind at third and fourth.
Posted by: scribbletone | December 16, 2008 at 09:51 PM
besides all of the jargon, if there is an offer from the RED SOX, boras would have it be know. when a mediot says the red sox offer, does he mean an (expected) red sox offer??? because that would make a lot more sense, no?
Posted by: ArodMVP217 | December 16, 2008 at 11:23 PM
ok.. so being a cardinals fan is a very daunting task! We have expressed interest in fuentes.. no news on that front except he prefers the angels. We are supposed to be "content" with adam kennedy?? instead of signing or trading for kelly johnson, or escobar.. anybody but kennedy! so the cardinals news is we signed two guys to MINOR league contracts?? why is mozeliak SO hesitant!!
Posted by: stlcardsfan | December 16, 2008 at 11:23 PM
Who said trade Jed Lowrie the Boston paper, or Theo Epstein? Red Sox are not going to trade Lowrie.
Epstein is trying everything to trade Lugo, not Lowrie. Saw him at AA, tore up that league was playing SS there and good in the field and at the plate. Moved him fast to AAA, started last year in AAA, was starter in playoffs with 0 errors. Mark Belanger wasn't spectacular just made the plays. Couldn't hit for a lick, Earl Weaver said he didn't care, saved team a ton of runs a year. Everyone is not Ozzie Smith. As Al Davis once said in there hey-day "Just win baby". If Tito thought for a moment, he could not handle the position, he never would have been starting in the play-offs. Man people here want 20 hrs, 100 rbi's .300 shortstops. Every team does, he is a kid give him a chance. For me 0 errors at SS in 56 games including play-offs, is a good start with me.
49 RBI'S in 81 games wish Varitek could hit like that in clutch. Varitek like 42 RBI'S in 131 games. People got to relax about this kid. See what happens.
Posted by: Cyyoung | December 17, 2008 at 06:50 AM