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Pettitte Hopes To Return To Yankees
On the day the Yankees introduced their new big-name pitchers, The New York Post reports that Andy Pettitte still wants to play in pinstripes. According to the Post Joe Girardi talked with Pettitte and heard that "he is still excited about coming back."
Girardi heard that Pettitte "is very excited" about recent additions A.J. Burnett and C.C. Sabathia. The Post also reports that Yankees GM Brian Cashman thinks the negotiations are progressing well for the Yankees.
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Still wants to play in pinstripes? Thats nice...
Now if it was "still wants to play in pinstripes AND is willing to take a $6M pay-cut" then I'd be more excited.
Pitching is all but set...just need one more bat.
Posted by: InvalidUserID | December 18, 2008 at 07:20 PM
way to take a strong negotiating stand andy...
Posted by: the_kid_01 | December 18, 2008 at 07:24 PM
Too bad the Yankees don't quite need him anymore.
A rotation of Sabathia, Wang, Burnett, Joba and Hughes would be more than adequate. It's already downright scary.
Posted by: scribbletone | December 18, 2008 at 07:27 PM
With two new pitchers (CC and Burnett) who have never pitched an entire season in NYC, Wang coming off of injury and Jaba starting for an entire season, Pettitte may be the one steady force that will hold this rotation together all summer long...
Posted by: kerelcooper | December 18, 2008 at 07:29 PM
Yea because hughes has proven himself
Sure
Posted by: beastOftheEast | December 18, 2008 at 07:34 PM
Hope he resigns and sucks worse than last season.
Posted by: NedCollettiClueless | December 18, 2008 at 07:45 PM
I don't get it, we should never give Hughes a shot, east?
Boy, you would be a great GM!
Posted by: B3NG4L | December 18, 2008 at 07:46 PM
Hughes needs to be given the chance to prove himself once again and having CC, AJ, Wang and Joba as the first 4 guys in the rotation is the perfect opportunity to give him a shot.
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | December 18, 2008 at 07:46 PM
Coletti = bitter he isn't going to the Dodgers.
Posted by: B3NG4L | December 18, 2008 at 07:46 PM
"Yea because hughes has proven himself
Sure"
Right, because the Yankees should give up on a guy they wouldn't deal for Johan Santana one year ago.
Hughes still has the stuff to be a top of the rotation starter as far as reports from scouts are concerned, and in 2008 he made six of his eight starts while hurting. After coming back, he made two starts and gave up a run in 4 innings against Chicago, and two runs in 8 innings against Toronto.
He doesn't turn 23 until June, and there are no reason to give up on Hughes at this point. As the fifth starter in that rotation, Hughes should be perfectly fine.
Do they really need to spend more money on starting pitching when they have an option like Hughes, and they clearly have needs on offense?
Posted by: scribbletone | December 18, 2008 at 07:47 PM
Scribbletone:
They do not need to sign another starting pitcher, they could conceivably go with CC, AJ, CMW, PH, & Joba.
The only thing is that Joba is going to be on an innings limit, and I'd like to see the remainder of his time go to Hughes. This opens up a slot in the rotation, more than adequately filled by Andy.
If they don't get Andy, that's handing what is essentially the #4 slot to IPK or Aceves right from the get go, leaving only one of them to fill in when someone goes down due to injury. This is more risky IMO.
CC
CMW
AJ
Andy
Joba/Hughes
with IPK & Aceves to fill in if/when Burnett *or someone else* goes down.
Posted by: TheLastClown | December 18, 2008 at 07:54 PM
if he really wants to come back, y hasnt he accepted the offer? hes lucky the yanks r giving him 10 million. if he doesnt want that, then so be it. i have no problem with hughes. that being said, its good to have an xtra experienced pitcher in case one of the guys get injured or if they really gonna limit jobas innings
Posted by: jman120 | December 18, 2008 at 08:01 PM
I offered this before. With Chamberlain being on a 150 innings limit this year would it be possible to go with a rotation like...
CC
AJ
Wangsta
Joba
Pettitte
w/ Hughes as a long reliever/spot starter (10-15 starts/100 innings or so)
Rivera
Bruney
Ramirez
Coke
Marte
And if Hughes performs decently then he takes Pettitte's spot in 2010?
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 18, 2008 at 08:04 PM
TheLastClown-
That would mean that the Yankees were anticipating on only getting like 130-140 innings out of Chamberlain. At this point, if that was the case then I wouldn't be confident depending on him much at all.
I think they'll let Joba take his 29-31 starts, with some extended time in between.
That may be an issue at some point though, having two fragile pitchers in the rotation in Joba and Burnett, who's known to miss a start here and there with small injuries.
Posted by: scribbletone | December 18, 2008 at 08:08 PM
"With Chamberlain being on a 150 innings limit this year would it be possible to go with a rotation like..."
YanksFanSince78, is that official?
Like, did they actually say that Joba is only going 150 innings in 2009? Maybe a link?
Posted by: scribbletone | December 18, 2008 at 08:09 PM
I can't rember if they "officialy" said it anywhere but they have said he would be on an innings limit for the year. I think that's pretty much common knowledge.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 18, 2008 at 08:12 PM
here's an interview from sept 2008:
http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2008/09/new_york_yankees_joba_chamberl_6.html
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Good thing, because Chamberlain may have to go through the same progression next year.
"He had an innings limit this year that he didn't meet," general manager Brian Cashman said. "Would he exceed that innings limit next year? You wouldn't want to do that, as simple as that."
Cashman said Tuesday that while a specific innings limit for Chamberlain in 2009 has not been discussed, there will be one. The Yankees could send Chamberlain to winter ball to boost this year's total and next year's ceiling.
"We'll talk about that stuff, obviously, at a more appropriate time," Cashman said. "But, basically, we believe that you can put some guys in jeopardy by putting way too much on them when they haven't been at that level.
"If someone adds a significant amount of innings from the previous year (to get to) an area where they've never been, history says that those guys either have breakdowns or significant underperformance."
Chamberlain this year was going to be limited to about 150 innings (the Yankees don't reveal their specific numbers) based on his 112 1/3 last year. With 1 1/3 scoreless innings Tuesday night, he has 90 1/3 this season, so he figures to finish with 100-110 - and perhaps the same limit next year.
"We'll cross that bridge next year," Chamberlain said. "I'm not even going to think about that now. It's going to come to the point where you're going to have to let it fly and get going as much as you can, as long as you can, as hard as you can."
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 18, 2008 at 08:15 PM
I would think that they would let him get closer to 180 before closing him down, just because otherwise if he stays healthy he'd be done by like early August.
He made it to 100 innings in 2008, so I think he could make it past 150 in 2008.
I don't know, obviously the Yankees will be figuring that one out without my help.
Posted by: scribbletone | December 18, 2008 at 08:17 PM
Damn. If that's the case and they're treating him that softly, then I don't know why more people are concerned about this guy. They're concerned about letting him go over 110 innings?
No wonder they signed Sabathia and Burnett..
Posted by: scribbletone | December 18, 2008 at 08:18 PM
That's what I say. Let the "delicate genius" pitch!
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 18, 2008 at 08:28 PM
I am pleases to announce that I emailed Tim this article.
Posted by: Harris | December 18, 2008 at 08:31 PM
I think that signing Pettitte could be good, or bad. If you don't sign him the rotation looks something like
Sabathia
Burnett
Wang
Joba
Hughes
and if/when you pull Joba or anyone else, you can get IPK, Aceves OR Coke to fill in, and maybe even Geise. So you've got 4 spot starters, two of which are REALLY good (Aceves and Coke).
While it would be nice to have 2 lefties (Sabathia and Pettitte) on the rotation, I think that the money should go to signing Tex, we need a hard hitting, constant first baseman (swish is a joke for NY) someone to fill that #3 spot or #5 spot (you choose) and Tex is the perfect player for that.
And if Joba's limit is 150 innnings, that's still what? 21 starts at 7 innings each? I'd take that. Assuming that the rotation sees 32 starts per pitcher you'd get Aceves/Coke/IPK to do 11 starts for Joba. Same goes for Hughes.
IMHO, pass on Pettitte and get Tex!
Posted by: aguirrem2 | December 18, 2008 at 08:32 PM
So scribble: Do you think they could use HUghes as a spot starter/long reliever?
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 18, 2008 at 08:34 PM
I think they could use him as a spot starter/long reliever, but it's more likely that they'd just let him develop more as a starter in the minors.
If the whole inning limit on Joba is legitimate, then Hughes could easily come up and take over for Joba when he hits his limit, assuming that Pettitte in the 5 spot and the rotation is healthy.
In the end, I just don't think they'd use him in the pen, considering all indications point towards him being a starter. Even if they started him out in the minors, injuries/pitch limits would likely give him a good number of starts in New York anyways.
It's a good problem to have though.
Posted by: scribbletone | December 18, 2008 at 08:44 PM
Maybe the mets could sign pettite if he doesn't sign with the yankees...
Posted by: adavidov | December 18, 2008 at 08:46 PM
Oh yeah. I would suggest keeping him as a starter long-term, but thought it might be a good, low pressure way of him slipping into the rotation and then starting him out the gate in 2010. Either way I hope the Yanks give him a chance to make the team in either 2009 or 2010. I would prefer to get Sheets vs Pettitte but I think Pettitte might be a safer choice considering some of the injury prone pitchers we have. And I guess signing Pettitte to 1 year vs Sheets for two would bode well for Hughes. I think it's important to try and integrate 1 young player every year. After Hughes I would like to see Dave RObertson and Melcanon get some play.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 18, 2008 at 08:51 PM
"Either way I hope the Yanks give him a chance to make the team in either 2009 or 2010."
Of course, they don't really have a choice. When you have a potential top of the rotation starter with all the makings of fufilling that potential at least to an extent, then you give him chances. The Yankees chose to hold onto this guy last winter, when his value was as high as it'll ever be unless he reaches his potential. Clearly, they've decided to make Phil Hughes a part of their future, which is tough to have a problem with.
Melancon and Robertson likely won't have the type of impact you're hoping for though. Melancon is a reliever, and he's not going to be supplanting Mo, he's likely more of a set up guy. As for Robertson, he doesn't come close to some of their other pitching prospects.
Aceves, Coke and McAllister are all nice young pitchers as well.
And then there is the big duo of Brackman and Betances. It's tough to really know what to make of either of these guys, but the potential is HUGE. Those two guys have definite ace potential, and Brackman looks especially nasty. Reports of the complete return of his 96-98 MPH fastball and knee buckling curve.. oh man.
The Yankees have like seven fully legitimate potential ace quality pitchers in their organization right now: Sabathia, Burnett, Wang, Chamberlain, Hughes, Brackman, Betances. That's an impressive group, right there.
Posted by: scribbletone | December 18, 2008 at 09:01 PM
Yeah both Malcanon and Robertson were drafted as closers. Meclanon , as you know, had tj and missed all of 07. He had a great year in AA/AAA last year and they think he might be Mo's replacement. Both Mec and Rob throw in the mid 90's so it will be niec to see how they play out.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 18, 2008 at 09:21 PM
The bullpen power arms are nice, for sure. Guys like Melancon and Robertson are definitely capable of being good relievers, and Melancon has solid closer potential as well. I probably wouldn't expect anything great out of them in 2009 though.
The potential closers are nice, but I don't see how you get excited about guys like that when you have Brackman and Betances in your system.
All I have is Samardzija, Cashner and Dae-Eun Rhee.
Posted by: scribbletone | December 18, 2008 at 09:41 PM
let the haters hate a little more sign manny let hughes and kennedy fight for the fifth spot keep joba in relief make every game a 6 inning game yanks win another world series or two maybe three
Posted by: yankeeswilldoit09 | December 18, 2008 at 09:46 PM
Hahaha.. Samardzija? Isn't that the President of Iran? Does he have wicked stuff?
Yeah prospects are suspects until the prove themselves. I'm not saying that I'm more impressed by those two as opposed to Brackman or Betances but they may prove to be valuable pitchers none the less. I rember Melancon when he was w/ Arizaona. His scouting report is also very good. He was drafted as a possible replacement for Mo. I would like to see the Yanks work him into the system this year and let him learn from Mo in a setup capacity and maybe replace him when Mo's contract ends in 2011. Robertson also hsa great stuff but needs to work on his control. But in all the Yanks have the makings of a great power staff.
CC= mid to high 90's
AJ= mide to high 90's
Wang-low to mid 90's
Joba- mid to high 90's
Hughes- low to mid 90's
Mo- low to mid 90's
Bruney- mid to high 90's
Robertson- mid 90's
Coke-low 90's
Marte- mid 90's
Veras-mid 90's
Ramirez is the only one w/o 90s++ fastball but change-up is plus plus.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 18, 2008 at 10:04 PM
Samardzija, I'm presuming you know who he is.
I mean, he was a star wide receiver at Notre Dame and a projected NFL 1st Round pick before he decided to sign with the Cubs for a 5 year MLB deal worth $10M that included a NTC.
And the stuff, is well, wicked. Throws this fastball in the upper 90's that just nasty movement on it. Right now it's basically his only plus pitch, he has a good slider but his command of it is shaky right now. The fastball alone makes him good enough to be a key part of our 2009 bullpen, and he likely will become an elite closer if he can't develop his offspeed stuff enough to become a starter.
Posted by: scribbletone | December 18, 2008 at 10:17 PM
lemme tell ya....andy is lookin pretty bad here.....he is startin to p iss me off....he should say whatever you offer i take........they let this guy pitch the final game in yankee stadium...they might even let him pitch the first in the new one.....he was terrible brutal horrible the second half of last season....he should write a thankyou letter to mussina for retiring or the yanks would not even be talkin to this guy........ ANDY TAKE THE 10 MILLION NOW B4 THE YANKS RELIZE THEY DONT EVEN NEED YOU.....ya f**kin ingrade
Posted by: TheBigNewYorkeR | December 19, 2008 at 03:59 AM
oh and to everyone out there
wang is going to be the number 2
they are not going to bump thier ace for the last 3 seasons to the 3 spot for aj burnette that would be an insult to wang
wang is much more consistent then burnette
Posted by: TheBigNewYorkeR | December 19, 2008 at 04:05 AM
pettote sucked pretty hard last season, he should be grateful to get $10mm for a season. Jobs's limit will be 150 innongs hard capped. Don't want him turning onto Mark Prior.
Posted by: scottfrompeekskill | December 19, 2008 at 06:28 AM