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Twins, Dodgers Lead Charge For Blake

6:31pm: Joe Christensen of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune says the Twins offered Blake a two-year deal worth about $6MM per year with an option for 2011.  Christensen says not to expect a signing tonight.  Jayson Stark wrote earlier today that if the Twins or Dodgers guarantee a third year they'll get Blake.

9:07am: Casey Blake's agent Jim McDowell talked to all kinds of outlets yesterday.  In speaking with Joe Christensen of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, McDowell said they're not far apart with the Dodgers or Twins.  The Twins are apparently "within shouting distance" on the years and money.  The Indians seem less interested than the other two clubs; Anthony Castrovince doesn't see it happening.  Castrovince notes that the Tribe could've signed Blake through '09 a year ago but figured Andy Marte would be ready.

Yesterday Yahoo's Tim Brown said McDowell's initial request was $20MM over three years for Blake, more than the Twins want to spend.


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The Twins better hope Target Field construction stays on pace...Casey Blake manning the hot corner on turf for 3 years might get ugly.

Rotoworld made a nice point last night on Blake...

The winner in the Casey Blake Sweepstakes will be the team that does NOT get him...

He is old, mediocre, and will likely be another Ned Colletti Free Agent Bust!

Oh God, no.

I am cautiously optimistic about the prospect of Blake signing with the Twins... I have a better feeling about it than I did with the Lamb signing, but maybe my expectations are low BECAUSE of signings like that.

The twins would be stupid to sign him to 3 years with more than 5 million a year. Buscher/harris platoon are younger, cheaper, and just as good.

The nice thing about a Blake signing for the Twins is that:

1) He should be able to capably fill the position and he's RH, allowing Valencia and/or Romero more time to develop.

2) He allows the Twins to devote ALL of their excess resources (Young/Cuddyer, Perkins/Blackburn, excess bullpen like Boof/Guerrier/Humber) to the SS position. All their other holes are pretty well filled. They should be able to come up with a damn good SS with that group of trade bait.

The problem with all of this though is that the Twins have two good 3B prospects, and nothing long term at shortstop.

Blake is a nice stop gap, but one of Luke Hughes or Danny Valencia will likely be ready for third within a couple years, so it would make more sense for the Twins to persue a long term solution at short with their money, rather than third.

My point is that signing Blake allows the Twins to solve BOTH 3b and SS pretty easily.

I don't look at "3 years" as longterm. This year he'd be the starter, and the start of next year, with Valencia maybe (hopefully) forcing his way into the starting role by the end of 2010. And if he does, then Blake becomes a very solid bench utility guy with pop for the last year of the deal.

That's not a problem to me at all. Also, I'm not high on Hughes at all. I think he's a UTIL guy at best personally.

Yes, he's capable. But, no, I am not convinced he is $5mil/year MORE capable than a Buscher/Harris platoon.

The Twins don't have excess resources in the rotation or bullpen. They have a 5-man rotation. They are all good and young and viable trade candidates, but any trade would leave a hole in the rotation. That is not excess. The bullpen doesn't even have all their spots filled. They were the weak link last year and Neshek is out for '09 as well. It is an area that needs to be addressed.

The OF may present a "surplus" depending on how you define the term. Trading Young or Cuddyer would be selling low, and Cuddyer's recent health history certainly would offer support for the argument that 4 starting-quality OF's is necessary.

I'd rather see the Twins save the $5/mil over the next year and apply that to the balance of a Rafael Furcal contract. That may not be realistic, but it would improve the team to a much greater extent than a Blake signing matched with whatever SS you can get for Michael Cuddyer and Boof Bonser.

The Twins want to sign Blake to a 2 year deal, hardly a long term solution. I'm OK with a Blake signing as long as its part of a plan that includes a long term solution at SS.

I think the Twins do have excess in the rotation. I don't believe that one of Humber/Swarzak/Mulvey would do any worse than Perkins as a 5th starter in 2009.

And if you have Blake as your 3b rather than a Buscher/Harris platoon (Buscher is not even good and shouldn't get more than 150 ab's max on a good team) then you strengthen your bench as well.

"I don't look at "3 years" as longterm. This year he'd be the starter, and the start of next year, with Valencia maybe (hopefully) forcing his way into the starting role by the end of 2010. And if he does, then Blake becomes a very solid bench utility guy with pop for the last year of the deal."

Yeah, he would be nice in terms of that. But not at the price of 3/20. You're telling me that you would be okay paying a 38 year old Casey Blake $6-7M to be a bench bat? For a low budget team like the Twins?

I'm sorry but the Twins don't have the resources to waste that kind of money on a player like Blake.

Blake is a fine player and a good stopgap option, but the price at which he comes is a huge part of whether this would be a good idea for Minnesota.

Uhhh ... Can we have atkins?

Oh, I probably wouldn't do 3/20 either. But 3/17-18, I think I would. 5-6 million for a very good bench bat for 1 season is fine IMO, and I think that's what he'd likely be in 2011.

As for Atkins, I want no part of him. I think the Twins would be just as well off putting Cuddyer back at 3b (both offensively and defensively) in that scenario.

Atkins is likely not for sale, since Holiday already went and he's under team control.

I hope the Twins stick to their option year offer, Blake would be a good mentor to Valencia, but if he ends up blocking his progress by being old and expensive, that's a huge negative for the Twins

Buscher/Harris is NOT as good as Blake. Not even close. Not because Blake is a great option at third, but because Brian Buscher is the furthest thing you could ever have from a real Major League player and he'd be getting the lion's share of time at third base.

I've NEVER seen a third baseman as bad defensively as Buscher is. If it weren't for Morneau across the diamond being a Gold Glove caliber first baseman, Buscher would have one of the most embarrassing fielding percentages in recent history. The guy simply cannot make the throw from first to third. It's absolutely pathetic.

Couple that with the fact that he can't hit left-handed pitching (a non-issue in a platoon, I know), can't hit for power, and really doesn't hit much besides singles, and you've got a guy who barely belongs on a team as a pinch-hitting specialist in the NL.

Buscher hit an INHUMAN .386 with RISP last year, so Minnesota fans have this delusion that he's a run-producer. He won't come close to repeating that.

Buscher can't field, can't hit, and can't run. His fielding stats are terrible, but it's sad to say that if you haven't actually seen him play in the field... he's WORSE than the numbers make him out to be.

Casey Blake can provide a .270 average and 15-20 HR and provide a steadily mediocre glove at third base, which is sadly a tremendous upgrade over the Butcher. He needs to be GONE, plain and simple.

Can't make the throw from third to first*... although I suppose the opposite would be true as well.

MorneauVP- Morneau is not a GG-caliber 1B. Well, he's a GG caliber 1B in the same way that McLouth's a gold glove caliber CF.

Twins should offer two years to Blake. No more than 3. Blake's defense sucks too, and it will probably keep going downhill, due to his age.

*That should say Twins should offer two years to Blake. No more than two. Three years is too many.

I get ahead of myself sometimes.

If the Twins are insistent on signing a third baseman on the wrong side of thirty, I'd much rather they wait and see if the Red Sox sign Tex, and then try to swing a trade for Lowell. You'd think Humber for Lowell + Cash would probably get it done, with Lowell coming off an injury and not really having a place to play on that team.

I don't hate the idea of the Twins signing Blake, it just worries me a lot. Especially because I'm more than comfortable with the Harris/Buscher platoon, or even just Harris, manning the hot corner. Short is the real hole on this team, and that's what I'm the most worried about. Here's hoping we can swing Escobar or Hardy, but I'm thinking Little Nicky Punto will be playing a ton of short for us next year.

I see no reason why the Twins should be trying to sign a Free Agent 3B of declining ability like Blake when they still have to deal with their OF situation of Span/Young/Cuddyer/Gomez/Kubel

Not sure who they want to deal and what they could reasonably get back, but I just don't see the point in locking into Blake when another team out there might have a better 3B option they were willing to deal for one of these guys.

As for their SS hole, I think the Twins would be best served accepting an offensively weak SS if they can grab a defensively talented one. Afterall, they are on the high end for offensive production from a catcher so they can afford the drop in offensive from their ss.

I would prefer to see them deal Young for a 3B and then sign a glove man for SS for a lot less then Blake and get much better defense all around.

If the Twins are insistent on signing a third baseman on the wrong side of thirty, I'd much rather they wait and see if the Red Sox sign Tex, and then try to swing a trade for Lowell. You'd think Humber for Lowell + Cash would probably get it done, with Lowell coming off an injury and not really having a place to play on that team.

I don't hate the idea of the Twins signing Blake, it just worries me a lot. Especially because I'm more than comfortable with the Harris/Buscher platoon, or even just Harris, manning the hot corner. Short is the real hole on this team, and that's what I'm the most worried about. Here's hoping we can swing Escobar or Hardy, but I'm thinking Little Nicky Punto will be playing a ton of short for us next year.

The Dodgers will sign Blake. It's bound to happen. They got Andruw Jones. They got Nomar. Brad Penny. It's the perfect move.

Signing a glove man for SS didn't really work out too well last year...

Here's hoping our left side of the infield doesn't contain either Brian Buscher or Nick Punto.

Signing a glove man for SS didn't really work out too well last year...

Posted by: MorneauVP | December 03, 2008 at 07:03 PM

Twins traded Jason Bartlett for the defensive downgrade of Brendan Harris last season???

I'm confused here.

Bartletts defense was a huge part of the Rays success last season.

I was referring to signing Adam Everett.

And Bartlett's defense last year was average at best.

The Dodgers will sign Blake. It's bound to happen. They got Andruw Jones. They got Nomar. Brad Penny. It's the perfect move.

Posted by: Schruender

Brad Penny and Nomar are FA and were not offered arbitration. Their gone.

"Bartletts defense was a huge part of the Rays success last season."

Agreed. Just because Bartlett was better defensively than what the Rays had going for them at SS in 2007 doesn't make him a good defender. He's average at best.

The Twins need a real 3rd baseman. We need to brake the Koskie Kurse.

Blake is better than a lot are giving him credit for. He's an average 3b, and again, signing him really upgrades the bench because Harris is a fine utility guy.

Also, I don't get the logic that "they should trade for a 3b instead to solve the OF logjam". Blake is cheaper than Furcal, the only really "good" SS in FA this year, so it makes more sense to sign Blake and then trade for a SS with that OF/SP excess. And I think that's exactly what the Twins will do if they get Blake.

Casey Blake and a "good" SS via trade is a whole lot better than Kouzmanoff (for example) and a below average SS combo.

djskilbr- Agreed. The OF logjam is not a problem. Cuddyer's got an injury history. Young and Span are green. Let the OF shake itself out, then trade the weak link after the 2009 season.

I live with the platoon at 3B and target Hardy or Furcal (although I want the A's to sign Furcal, Twins make sense). There just isn't a desirable 3B option available, via trade or FA, unless the Twins decide to overpay in a Beltre trade.

I'm not sure acquiring Beltre will take overpaying.

With a real GM and 3 months less on his contract than he had in July when talks began, the price should be down a bit.

I'd love to at least hear what they're asking on Beltre.

If he can be had for Perkins and one other mediocre prospect, I think that's perfectly fair.

If they're asking for Slowey or something, that's another story.

Also, I don't get the logic that "they should trade for a 3b instead to solve the OF logjam". Blake is cheaper than Furcal, the only really "good" SS in FA this year, so it makes more sense to sign Blake and then trade for a SS with that OF/SP excess.

Posted by: djskilbr | December 03, 2008 at 08:31 PM

Only reason I disagree with this theory is I can not for the life of me think of 1 team willing to trade a "good" SS unless the Twins want to give up the farm.

When teams have a "good" SS, they hold onto them because they are extremely valuable.

So while I understand the thinking I respectfully disagree. There are several teams with a 3B they would be happy to trade to clear out payroll or make room for an up/coming player, however I can't say the same regarding the SS position.

Personally I see the team as better with a trade for a quality 3B and signing a guy like Alex Cora for SS.

For hypothetical example:

Would Mike Lowell/Alex Cora be better offensively/defensively then Casey Blake and Julio Lugo?

I'd take the defense of Lowell/Cora any day over Blake/Lugo.

I'd also take the offense of Lowell over Blake.

If Lugo has a year like the last two next season then Cora wouldn't be a downgrade on offense either except in the SB department.

I think we can all agree the Twins have to get the most distance with any trade they make as the Central division is relatively wide open next season and they are returning a pretty solid team, so the right move(s) could put them in the playoffs.

I just prefer to not see them sign Blake though because I think he overperformed in a contract year and I think he will be a disappointment.

Dodger Stadium is quickly becoming the home for the washed-up, injured, never very good, and the old free agents in baseball...

Jones
Schmidt
Pierre
Blake

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