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Some odds and ends for a quiet Sunday morning:
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Completely agree with KLaw. I still don't understand why dealing DeRosa for three relief prospects was so universally non-panned. Derosa popped 20+ HRs at a time when that is beginning to lookf very, very respectable.
Posted by: Fake Teams | January 04, 2009 at 09:59 AM
What a load of crap from the Benjamin. Last check Dice-K hardly qualified as a "short, low cost, low risk contract". Same could be said for Beckett. And while the Sox "prefer" Miller and Colon types, don't they need to evaluate the effectiveness of those pitchers? Were Colon and Miller really good signings.
Posted by: bjsguess | January 04, 2009 at 10:07 AM
Colon got 1.25MM. He made 7 starts, or 39 IP with a 4.34 FIP. His performance was probably worth about half a win. Even by conservative dollars per win estimates, the Sox actually came out at least even, if not on top, in the Colon signing.
Beckett wasn't a FA signing.
I do agree that Dice-K was NOT a "short, low cost, low risk contract" and thus against the trend. But, compared to other large market teams (Yankees, Mets, Dodgers), the Sox relatively have fewer long term free agent pitching contracts.
Posted by: melonis rex | January 04, 2009 at 10:24 AM
The Indians got DeRosa for practically peanuts. None of the prospects made Cleveland's top 20 (well, Sickels' list). DeRosa acts as a stopgap for Valbuena at 2B/3B (depending on where Cabrera and Peralta play). He provides solid defense and a solid offensive presence in that infield.
Cubs could easily have gotten more for DeRosa.
Posted by: melonis rex | January 04, 2009 at 10:26 AM
Beckett was traded for smart guy. He was given a big contract, yes. But he was re-signed. He wasn't acquired from FA market.dice-k was signed for 8MM a season. Hardly a risk. Learn ur facts.
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | January 04, 2009 at 10:29 AM
"dice-k was signed for 8MM a season. Hardly a risk"
Sox spent 100MM on Dice-K overall, when you include the posting fee. Yes, that's a huge risk.
Posted by: melonis rex | January 04, 2009 at 10:46 AM
52MM was the posting fee. the yanks meanwhile bid on a crappy pitcher 25 or so mil. That's risk. The second highest posting fee was 48+MM so the 52 was necessary. Not to mention dice-k is the japanese nolan ryan and helped us acquire tazawa cheap. I'd hardly call his contract a risk.
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | January 04, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Smack017: Thanks for catching that. This was a pre-coffee post!
Posted by: Nat Boyle | January 04, 2009 at 11:09 AM
Melonis- Yes, the Indians got DeRosa for three players who were not near the top of the 'talent pool'. Though it should be pointed out that the deal can't be criticed to harshly until these pitchers run their course. As Indians fans have seen with Shapiro; When you have a guy who isn't a part of your longterm future, trade him for a few big upside guys and see if one of them stick. Its not like the Cubs were going to get someone good enough to start for them now.
Posted by: Furrski | January 04, 2009 at 11:13 AM
to join with santa/beckett... the dice-k signing also put the sox into the japanese market. between what they collect from the japanese media and extra merch sales in japan, the posting fee will pay for itself very quickly if it hasnt already.
Posted by: elmedius | January 04, 2009 at 12:39 PM
The article said that the Sox prefer "short, low cost, low risk contracts for established talent".
Beckett was traded for AND THEN SIGNED to a new contract by the Sox.
Curt Schilling was signed to a new contract as a FA. While the contract was short it was not cheap, especially given his current injury concerns.
Dice-K will have cost the Sox $100m. Who cares if half of it went to posting fees? The point is, Dice-K cost $100m over 6 years.
My comment wasn't to debate the value of signing Dice-K or to question having Beckett on the roster. If you really believe that Curt Schilling, Josh Beckett, and Dice-K all represent "cheap, low risk" signings you are crazy.
As for Colon, etc ... it might have been an economically smart move as Melonis points out. However, it had incredibly little impact. Getting a half of a win in value for $1.5m (or so) is just another non-move.
Posted by: bjsguess | January 04, 2009 at 02:51 PM
Ehh, nobody wants Iguchi here anyway.
Next to go back to Japan?
Kenji Jojima.
Posted by: Ed The Cubbie Genius | January 04, 2009 at 02:55 PM
Blah blah blah blah I like the Yankees! Well, blah blah blah blah I like the Red Sox! Everything about this site is awesome except the commenters who root for big market teams and turn every post into a bickering contest. No, Yankee guy, not every single last pitcher on the Boston roster is signed to a short/cheap deal. The post merely says they PREFER those kinds of contracts. But you're not going to get a Beckett or a Matsuzaka with them. On the other hand, Red Sox fans, ignoring Matsuzaka's posting fee in evaluating the price of his contract is dumb. And no, this post was not about Kei Igawa. How about all of you clowns give the rest of us a break and leave each other alone until April.
Posted by: LD303 | January 04, 2009 at 03:05 PM
LD303 - I'm not a fan of the Yankees or Red Sox. AND ONCE AGAIN, I'm not criticizing ANY organization. I was criticizing the author who made an absurd statement.
How can the author say that the Sox "prefer" those types of deals when they go out and sign 3 of the 5 starting pitchers to anything but cheap contracts (Schilling, Beckett and Dice-K)?
That's like saying the Angels prefer "cheap" players. Just conveniently ignore Torii Hunter, Vlad Guerrero, GMJ, Brian Fuentes, and Bartolo Colon.
Posted by: bjsguess | January 04, 2009 at 07:02 PM