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Rosenthal's Latest: Mariners, Young, Shouse

Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports compiles a number of rumors from around the majors:

  • The Mariners need to free up money, but to do so, they'd likely have to trade one of Adrian Beltre, Jarrod Washburn or Miguel Batista. All three will be free agents after the season, but moving one of them would be "extremely difficult."
  • The Mariners and Yankees considered a Hideki Matsui-Washburn swap, but Matsui's contract ($13MM) pays him more than Washburn's ($10.35MM) so they didn't find a match.
  • The Twins are looking to move Delmon Young.
  • They showed interest in Washburn last year, but only some of Rosenthal's sources believe he and Delmon Young could be the foundation for a larger deal.
  • Rosenthal has a source who says the Yankees are not currently pursuing Juan Cruz. Yesterday, we had a discussion about the rules regarding free agent quotas.
  • The Yanks like their bullpen, but they could try to add an arm if they trade Xavier Nady or Nick Swisher.
  • The Rays are making a strong run at Brian Shouse.
  • The Orioles would not likely have to give up much more than a low-level prospect to deal for Rich Hill.


Comments

I think the Yanks should go after Cruz and maybe shouldn't trade Nady or Swisher at this point - lets see how they play in 09 and if they still want to trade them, their performance could lead to getting some really good players in return. I think they can contribute to the Yanks hopes of getting to the WS this year.

Hahaha Rosenthal. The Mariners could very, very easily move Adrian Beltre. He's much, much better and healthier than Crede and it isn't like there's a lot of 3Bs available. Twins and Giants look like good fits, especially the Giants who could use a power bat. Although Washburn/Silva/Batista are unmovable.

I could see a deal involving Young and Carlos Triunfel, with other pieces coming into play. I really don't think the Twins should trade Delmon though; its called selling really low.

*Bangs head on desk*

Please! No more Young rumors!

"I think the Yanks should go after Cruz and maybe shouldn't trade Nady or Swisher at this point - lets see how they play in 09 and if they still want to trade them, their performance could lead to getting some really good players in return. "

Nady would be a free agent after the 2009 season, so he wouldn't be traded then.

IMO, the Yanks shouldn't trade Nady or Swisher unless its a precursor to a Manny or other big OF FA signing. THey look like they have OF depth, but does anyone REALLY think Matsui and Damon will play 162 games? No. Nady and Swisher will be major cogs to that club.

Rays/A's bidding war over Brian Shouse? Sounds like fun (A's were rumored to also have interest in him as well a few days ago).

Triunfel? We already have a light hitting SS ...

The Yanks couldn't just pay the difference in contracts to get Washburn? I guess they are really convinced that Matsui will come back strong this year.

Melonis,

Agree fully. Plus I'd still like to see Swisher in CF, at least some of the time.

Yanks have 3 big time strikeout pitchers and 1 ground ball machine.

I might be willing to sacrifice a bit of OF defense to upgrade from Melky to Swisher offensively.

"Hahaha Rosenthal. The Mariners could very, very easily move Adrian Beltre. He's much, much better and healthier than Crede and it isn't like there's a lot of 3Bs available. Twins and Giants look like good fits, especially the Giants who could use a power bat. Although Washburn/Silva/Batista are unmovable"

I agree unless he is referring to the asking price of Beltre. Figuring he is the most healthy and most productive of the group, he may require a price that no one wants to give up.

Colton,

Why would the Yanks want Washburn? He could not come close to cracking the rotation.

What I meant is that if Nady or Swisher play well during the season, they can be traded b4 the 7/31 deadline if they still want to trade them. I am talking this year. Of course they cant trade Nady if hes a free agent :)
If they play well they can trade and get something substantial in return for this year..unless they play so well that the Yanks decide to keep them. I expect them all to play all the outfield positions..and have a revolving DH

Triunfel? We already have a light hitting SS ...

Posted by: twinsfan | January 31, 2009 at 09:36 AM

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Triunfel hit 6 homeruns in August last year as an 18 year old in high A and is ranked 22nd in Keith Laws top 100. 2nd highest ranked SS in baseball behind Tim Beckham.

You can't google his name without getting comps to Miguel Tejada and every scout out there thinks his power will develop... And there is no way in hell I would like to see the Mariners deal him, especially for a guy like Young who has trouble keeping his SLG over .400 and lost all his power after he turned 20.

Melonis Rex,

What Rosenthal is saying is Beltre would be hard to move because you would have to get enough in return. Plus he is owed a good sum of money and not many teams can afford much more than 5 or 6 million right now it seems like. Beltre to the Twins would be awesome for them. But would it be worth it, giving up a guy like Blackburn for 1 year of Beltre?

Can the Mets maybe make a play at Delmon Young involving some combination of Bobby Parnell, Michael Antonini,Jenrry Mejia, Josh Thole and Nick Evans.

"I agree unless he is referring to the asking price of Beltre. Figuring he is the most healthy and most productive of the group, he may require a price that no one wants to give up."

Yeah I agree.

Pair that with the fact that a good amount of Beltre's value lies in his defense and the M's GM appears to have a keen eye for defense.

I hate Bob Castellini right now.

Reds should be trying to get Delmon Young, Nady, and Abreu.

But were not, were ccontent with Harriston and Gomes in LF...we will NOT compete unless we get a real player to play LF

Cool, not done yet!

Sign Shouse and send Percy to Asia please.

Let's make a rule on all Delmon Young trade proposals.

If it doesn't help fill the Twins' left side of IF hole long term, it probably ain't happening.

I would of taken Delmon back before all the moves happened, now he would just make Joyce rot in AAA longer.

Although I do think that Z does not hold on to Beltre to collect the draft picks unless he is serious on the team extending Beltre. Either Beltre is extended or he's traded for below value at the deadline. Or the M's eat all his salary so they can get better prospects. That's always a possibility. Either extend or trade IMO.

Exactly melonis ... what some people don't get is that you have to consider the other team's needs too :o

Can the Mets maybe make a play at Delmon Young involving some combination of Bobby Parnell, Michael Antonini,Jenrry Mejia, Josh Thole and Nick Evans.

Posted by: Superman | January 31, 2009 at 10:00 AM

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha ... That deal is garbage. If they were going to trade him to the Mets it'd likely have to include Danny Murphy.

I don't believe that the Yanks would seriously consider moving Nady or Swisher for a pen arm. That just seems silly. Especially with all the options they have. The only way I could see it is if they got a guy like Broxton in return. Which would never ever happen as it shouldn't. No need to trade either guy, don't deal them unless you are overwhelmed.

Oops nevermind. Read it wrong, it's for salary reasons not dealing one of them for a pen arm. That is also hard for me to believe though. You could get a guy like Cruz for 3 million probably.

Beltre is due 12 million this year. Of course, it's his contract year and after four seasons of coming nowhere near the offensive production of his last year in LA, maybe he has something to prove ...

Yah I be cool with that i think, because Murphy can go back to 3b and the Mets get a LF for the future. Murphy and an arm do the trick or no enough?

the yanks will probably need some catching help... let's be honest.

i'll bet they deal for one of the rangers catchers at the trade deadline

There's nothing else the Twins might want from the Mets, anything that's attainable anyways.

Ok, lets look at a couple of my trade ideas for the Reds. All i think would be fairly reasonable.

Nady for Dickerson, Roenecke and a B prospect.

--Dickerson is a good speed/defense guy who hit very well. His career minor league numbers are nothing like what he hit, but Roenecke could be put in the pen immediately for them. If they really wanted Ramierez, or Thompsons, id consider it.

Delmon Young for Valkia, Roenecke, and Stubbs.

Twins get their future SS or 3B, and bullpen help, with a top prospect outfielder.

Beltre and Bennacourt for A-Gon, Encarnacion, Bailey, and maybe Valkia.

--This would free them up of Beltres contract, but would pick up A-gon instead. Valkia could be their future SS, while Encarnacion is good and worth more per dollar than Beltra. They also get a good pitching prospect.

Any of these trades would be fair..but doesnt mean they could happen.

Didnt the Yanks have a Molina as a backup catcher or is he gone ?

The chances are basically 0 but just for fun what would a deal with the Rays getting Young look like?

Would the deal involve Young and Bartlett just like last year? Who else?

i think the yanks are pretty well set for the upcoming season

they have one more bullpen spot left, but that should go to phil coke. he has great stuff and is a second left handed arm in the yanks pen.

if they get rid of anymore players it should be swisher. nady was great after being aquired last year and deserves to be back in new york.

"Beltre and Bennacourt for A-Gon, Encarnacion, Bailey, and maybe Valkia.

--This would free them up of Beltres contract, but would pick up A-gon instead. Valkia could be their future SS, while Encarnacion is good and worth more per dollar than Beltra. They also get a good pitching prospect."

That is a horrible horrible trade for the Reds.

The Reds are better for '09, but worse for 2010 and beyond. Betancourt is horrible, and has been on a decline (albeit young). He is also not a SS.

No, Molina is still there.

I think Murphy for Young makes a lot of sense. The Twins get their young 3rd baseman and the mets get the RH LFer...

And twinsfan, you seem to have an off center idea of what Young is worth. He has a history of being a problem child and had a horrible year last year. Combine those with the plethora of OFers on the market and you can see his value is much lower than it was last year. Not saying he doesnt have value, but Murphy and a mid level pitching prospect should do it

Yankees fans: What's Jesus Montero's ETA?

"And twinsfan, you seem to have an off center idea of what Young is worth. He has a history of being a problem child and had a horrible year last year. Combine those with the plethora of OFers on the market"

I think that Young's value is pretty low RIGHT NOW.

That is why the Twins should NOT trade Young unless someone is overpaying for him.

Yanks shouldn't pay the differnce for Washburn. The M's had the opportunity ti dump him last year and they didn't b/c of their silly demands, now they want the Yanks to take him jajaja. Guess what? The Yanks are not in the same position from last year, so you can keep him.


I believe Montero's ETA is 2011, as well as Romine's. The problem with Montero is that he might have to move positions before he makes it to the majors.

Can young play CF?

"Yanks shouldn't pay the differnce for Washburn. The M's had the opportunity ti dump him last year and they didn't b/c of their silly demands, now they want the Yanks to take him jajaja. Guess what? The Yanks are not in the same position from last year, so you can keep him. "

I agree.

Lincoln and Armstrong f-cked that one up big time.

And, for the millionth time, The Yankees do NOT have that much OF/DH depth. There is no way both Melky and Gardner will be in the lineup. Damon and Matsui are both injury prone. Nady could and probably will regress back to his career numbers. There will be ABs for everyone even if nobody is dealt.

"Can young play CF?"

No.

Delmon Young should not be playing CF on an MLB team. Think Adam Dunn in CF.

The Twins are awash in "mid-level" pitching prospects and are not going to deal Young for anything less than a productive major league 3B and a young veteran right handed relief pitcher.

The Twins could have had Murphy last year in the Santana deal but weren't interested.

Stop this nonsense about the Twins trading Delmon Young for minor league talent! The Twins are aiming at the post season this year and if they move a player like Young, it will be for immediate help, not down the road.

If the Twins did make a play for Murphy, it would be to swap one or two of their minor league propsects for Murphy - not Delmon Young.

I agree with you DominicanYanks. Washburn does not fit into the Yankees rotation and he is only 3 million less than Matsui. Matsui brings in more than the 3 million with japanese advertising and sales. What I did really like was the rumored trade a few months ago of Matsui for Rowland-Smith. Unfortunately that trade proposal is long gone. It's hard to imagine that the Mariners were even serious about it in the first place.

teams should be lining up to get delmon

Oh, good God - not another Delmon Young trade rumor. You guys just won't quit. Delmon Young isn't going anywhere. This is pure bad speculation by the reporter and not coming from any kind of reputable source.

If the Twins were really interested in trading Young, he would be gone by now. And if a trade did happen with the Mariners, it wouldn't be some kind of Young for Wasburn deal. The Twins are well stocked through out their organization with pitchers, why would they want a has been like Wasburn for? Even less why would they give up a player like Young to get him?

Washburn was a possible option last year when the team was looking to bolster their bullpen. Bring in Washburn, move Perkins or Blackburn to the bullpen. Seattle wanted too much and the deal fell through.

Let me assure you, Washburn is SO not on the Twins radar.

The only player in Seattle they would want is Beltre. And since it would be a one year rental and they would be taking on a huge salary, a couple of prospects is about all Seattle would be likely to get. Humber plus one.

Does anybody see Seattle jumping on that? Neither do I. Now quite with the Young nonsense.

Another thing that makes Beltre hard to move is that he has a limited no-trade clause in his contract.

I guess I'm not down with OBP.

The Reds have a very nice nucleus that should produce a fair amount of wins over the next 10 years. They actually have the makings of a power rotation, and have some pretty nice position prospects on their way. This team is not the Pirates, or Nationals, or Royals. So, no need to be nasty IMO.

On the trade front, there's no way I'd trade Chris Valaika, Roenicke or Stubbs for anyone with only one year left on their contract. I would love nothing more than to see Beltre playing in Cincy, and E5 anywhere else, but it's not going to happen.

Todd Frazier, Alonso and Valaika should be everyday players by 2010 and one of them will be at 3B. Stubbs may very well be ready too, although I still question his bat. Dickerson may be a useful player and Roenicke looks like a solid bullpen contributor. I would not trade unless it's for an affordable multi-year contract. Swisher was the only one that made any sense, and I'm sure Cashman's asking for top tier guys in return. No thanks.

I don't want Washburn on the Yankees. He's really not that good, and why would we trade Matsui for him AND pay the difference... when (as someone mentioned before) Matsui brings in more than that difference from markets in Japan?

The Yankees are FINE now. We have a team right now that can seriously contend. MAYBE sign Juan Cruz (if not, it's no big deal to me), MAYBE get a utility infielder (if not, I'm fine with Ransom)... but that's it! Keep Matsui, Keep Swisher, Keep Nady.

Instead of the Yankees going after Dunn or even Manny this off season, why not wait for Damon and Matsui to get off the payroll next off season. Then they can go after Matt Holiday. I would much perfer Holiday over Manny, he's younger and a very talented player.

"Who in here would think it would be tragic to trade Delmon, watch him have a monster year, see Cuddyer back on the DL or see Span have a sophomore slump. I think the outfield depth is a necessity and would assure the above from not causing the pain it could if it were to happen. "

I agree 100% Delmon has monster potential.

"I think Murphy for Young makes a lot of sense. The Twins get their young 3rd baseman and the mets get the RH LFer...

And twinsfan, you seem to have an off center idea of what Young is worth. He has a history of being a problem child and had a horrible year last year. Combine those with the plethora of OFers on the market and you can see his value is much lower than it was last year. Not saying he doesnt have value, but Murphy and a mid level pitching prospect should do it"

Young DID NOT have a bad year last year. He is still 23 and who knows, he could be the next David Ortiz. Ya thats what the Twinkees need to do is trade away another one of those! I don't want to hear any more Young rumors PLEASE!!!

The Twins do not need young pitchers. They have 5 in the rotation right now and more in the minors. Also they have more filled-with-potential outfielders like a top prospect named Ben Revere. He hit .325 in his first season for a Twins rookie team and last season he hit .379 in the minors.

Montero and Romaine could be ready mid 2010, but yes they have to find a true position for Montero, he will not stay a catcher he's to big. They will probably convert him to LF with Tex. blocking him at 1b.

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