Cubs Bobby Crosby Rumor

To be honest with you, the A's should hold on to Crosby.

He has negative trade value, so the A's are going to have to eat salary to move him and get nothing of value in return. And this isn't a Mark Kotsay situation, as Crosby hasn't been good for years and Kotsay was good before getting hurt in 2007 (and still is pretty good).

Yes, the A's just got Nomar, but Ellis, Chavez, AND Nomar are all very injury prone. There's a pretty good chance that two of them are going to be hurt at the same time. Crosby on the bench could come in handy.

My bad Tim. I'm sorry I did not realize that.

I've always liked Bobby Crosby, I know his power and his avg. has dropped off, but maybe a change in venue would do him so good. He's actually a realy Major League SS, unlike Theriot.

I know the Theriot defenders are gonig to start bashing me left and right talking about his Avg. and his heart and blah blah blah, but the fact is Theriot has no range, makes too many errors, 3 already in ST. He can't steal. He had only 22 SB and caught 13 times. He has no power, he gets a million singles yet since he can't steal he doesn't score many runs. He scored 85 runs last season, but had 178 hits.

Theriot is a 2nd baseman playing SS, he just simply doesn't have the range to play SS. He can hit singles all day long, but if you can't create havoc on the base paths it doesn't matter.

I was reading some coverage from Cubs spring training that speculated about Crosby also, so this isn't just coming out of the Bay area. However, they made the same point: with Crosby's salary it's a long shot.

IowaCub---Your last comment sounded Dusty-esque. Would you rather Theriot didn't get on base at all?

And here's more food for thought: 1) If guys run a lot, they'll get thrown out some. Yes, Theriot needs to be more selective when he goes and cut down on his caught stealings. If Theriot posted those totals before 'roids and band box ball parks, they would look much better.

2)It seems to me the guys hitting behind Theriot didn't post huge RBI years. Ramirez had a good year in that category, but it wasn't huge. Lee didn't even get 100, which is not what you want from your 3-hole guy. You add his double plays onto that, and you see the blame for Theriot's low run totals should be spread around.

(And to others: Yes, I know part of the middle's low RBI totals stems from a leadoff hitter who doesn't get on base.)

The only team that moneny is less of an issue for the Cubs is the Yanks. If the only reason the Cubs don't get Crosby is $, then that equates them to Scrooge.

I agree that Lee's RBI total was way down, and I know Lee hit into a lot of DP (27), but still for a guy everyone wants to lead off, he doesn't have the speed either. Soriano is actually a better lead off hitter then Theriot. Soriano has a higher OBP leading off then Theriot.

Yes I want Theriot to get on base, but the way most fans worships this guy is crazy. Don't get me wrong, I like Theriot, he's not bad, but he's not that good either. The money they are paying for Theriot and the numbers he puts up with that type of salary is great, a good young cheap player, but SS has been a weak position for the Cubs for years. I know Crosby's numbers have dropped of considerably, but maybe a change would do him good, and he can find his spark again. I know the Cubs had the best offense in the NL last year, but if you can improve, you should do it. And with Crosby's value very low right now, it wouldn't be a terrible deal for the Cubs. The $ is a little high, but that's never really been a problem for the Cubs.

I like the idea of it, is it going to happen, probably not.
Theriot will most likely be the Cubs SS for the whole season, but I honestly don't think he will have the year he had last year.

The one thing I would like to see is people to stop worshiping him and DeRosa and acting like they are the greatest Cubs ever. Solid players, but no where near what people have built them up to be.

bobby crosby is better then orlando cabrerra......there is a reason cabrerra is on a new team every year.....he su cks....i would much rather crosby then o-cabrerra

The Cubs actually have some SS prospects in the minors that look like they could be legit players in the league...for the first time in my life. I actually think SS is probably one of our deepest postions at the farm, although they are all at the lower levels.

cubs ss prospects all profile the same...no power, decent obp, etc barney, sellers (who A's traded for wuertz), etc basically ryan theriot types w/ better defense. or more like utility guys. flaherty is interesting but in Aball and i read defensively more suited to 2b.

back to crosby, slusser apparently spoke to a scout who's liked crosby before, thats closer than a cubs source familiar w/ cubs thinking

that said, A's would say pay 4 of the 5mill contract at least. considering cubs/A's have had recent trades kendall,harden, wuertz i wouldnt consider this trade impossible.

Beane and Hendry see eye to eye on a lot things, I don't think its impossible either, but I still think unfortunately Theriot will still be the starting SS at the end of the day.

This guy is way overpaid to sit the bench. You gain nothing offensively if he starts and if you're complaining about Theriot not stealing enough just take a look at Crosbys stats. I don't see the Cubs going after him. Sure I don't like the idea of not having the prototypical SS on the club but Theriot has done an exceptional job in my eyes. He will probably slide from the 2 to the 8 spot depending on the pitcher on any given day. Those are good numbers in your 8 spot. I think if he gets some LH hitters behind him it will help him get more opportunities to steal and have more success as well.

Does anyone see any way the Royals trade Teahen back to Oakland for Crosby and move Aviles to 2nd?

yes I know Crosby doesn't steal a lot of bases, but neither does Theriot. I think Theriot is a better option at 2nd, then at SS. If you want to keep him in the line up you move him over to 2B, play Crosby at SS and platoon Fontenot with Theriot at 2B. Theriot isn't bad, but he isn't a SS, period. His offensive is ok, but not great, and he needs to stop trying to steal bases.

Crosby wouldn't be there to steal bases either, he would be there to play better defense then Theriot. The middle infield D is shaky. Fontenot, Theriot, and Miles...you mix any of those 3 in the middle and its scary. I don't need to remind everyone of game 2 of the NLDS, I know all 4 infield positions had an error, but you want your middle infield to be more defensively aware. If Crosby is there it improves it greatly. Plus his bat will pick up again.

"I don't think its impossible either, but I still think unfortunately Theriot will still be the starting SS at the end of the day."

Unfortunately? Excuse me? If you guys think CROSBY is better than Theriot, seriously, the A's need a SS for 2010 and beyond, I would LOVE to have Riot on the A's.

Hell, we'll give you Cabrera for '09 as well to have a long term option at SS (since I think Cardenas is ultimately a 3B/2B, although he might impress).

Aduncaroo,

Typical Cub fan. Can't take anybody criticizing his team. Vitters probably wasn't dropped because he had a bad season. He probably was dropped because there were guys who were drafted that didn't sign in time to play for the 07 season, but did end up playing last year. All I know is 14 to 51 is a pretty big drop. Here i'll give you a comparison that even a cub fan could understand... a big drop like Fukodome after the all star break. LOL!!

Hey Aduncaroo... I think I hear Jim Hendry calling you. He needs you asap to kiss his ass

If the Cubs get Crosby, that would make the Derosa trade look even worse than it already does.

"All I know is 14 to 51 is a pretty big drop."

Idiot.

He was 43 last year.

Now maybe the number 14 is sticking in your head because thats where Keith Law has him ranked RIGHT NOW, as the best 3rd base prospect in the game...

Do some research, get some facts, and lose the bias.

Those are all low level prospects that need time to improve...We are talking about his year. The Cubs are looking to win THIS YEAR. Also if you read the scouting reports on those guys, 2 of the 3 SS you listed are better off at 2B, Lee being the only real SS. Flaherty is the closest to be ready out of those 3 and he's a least 2 years away, more like 3. Lee who is the only real true SS, won't probably be ready for 4 years a least. Stil way too young, Crosby will be a FA at the end of the year, if he doesn't pan out then drop him, but the Cubs are looking to win this year. Crosby has been working on his hitting with McGwire, not that I like McGwire, and yes I know he was a roider, but you still have to be able to hit baseballs in order to hit HRs, and working with him could only do Crosby some good. As of right now Crosby is hitting .444 in ST. I know its ST, but its a good sign that maybe he's turned a corner and maybe he's got a bit of his swing back.

I'm not Hendry I don't get to make these decisions, but this is my opinion, and I think Theriot would be more suited at 2B. I think they should drop Miles, and platoon Theriot and Fontenot at 2nd. Fontenot will be back up to 3B and Theriot be back up to SS. That's how I would play it. And like I've said before, I really don't think this deal would happen, it could, but I don't think it will.

"Does anyone see any way the Royals trade Teahen back to Oakland for Crosby and move Aviles to 2nd?"

That would be an absolute STEAL for the A's. And the Royals shouldn't do it. Keep Aviles at SS, since that's his long term position. No need to jerk him around unless its for a player who is actually half decent and will be around for a while. Moustakas will take over one of 2B/3B.

"Second someone suggested oakland would pay 4 of his 5 million to move him. I find that hard to believe since that's not something the A's do."

Do you remember the Mark Kotsay trade from last year. A's ate most of Kotsay's salary, and Kotsay was a better player. If the A's really want to get rid of Crosby, they will eat salary.

" I think they should drop Miles, and platoon Theriot and Fontenot at 2nd"

The Cubs won't drop someone they just signed to a multi year deal.

Although that deal was absurd and stupid.

Go to hell chief! I know your right and I'm wrong, but I enjoy sounding like a fool on here. Ok I'm putting my chapstick on now and going to see Jim

"I hope they don't want a top prospect cause the cubs don't have any. Unless of course you ask adUNCEcaroo. "

Yeah, getting Crosby is just unthinkable....Harden must have just been a dream.

Did a Cubs fan beat the living $hit out of you when you were little or something? Your bias is just blatent here.

"I hope they don't want a top prospect cause the cubs don't have any. Unless of course you ask adUNCEcaroo."

Crosby won't net a top prospect. Period.

And the Cubs don't have the worst farm system in baseball. That honor belongs to the Astros.

"Yes Theriot did have fewer errors then Crosby last year, but Crosby only had 3 more errors then Theriot and had 40 more chances then Theriot. Crosby also turned 30 more Double plays then Theriot. Crosby also had 40 more assists then Theriot. There's more to fielding then errors."

I wasn't looking at errors.

Theriot and Crosby were even in UZR/150 in '08, and Theriot had a clear, clear margin in UZR over Crosby in '07. So its safe to say Theriot is the better fielder, or that they're pretty much even.

Crosby also had the liberty of playing in between two VERY good defenders all season. And the A's overall defense last year was better than the Cubs at almost every position.

Better defense means more double plays turned by squad, and more opportunities for assists.

Whether 3B was Chavez or Hannahan, both are good defenders (although Hannahan can't hit worth a lick, which is why I'm glad Nomar means he's gone). Ellis is a great defender as well.

If you want to talk GIDP, Crosby only had one less than Theriot.

And Theriot actually stole bases, unlike Crosby.

Theriot is a very good player. However, I think Crosby's production would really increase if he played at Wrigley or another hitters park.

about the astros, how bad is their system

goldstein in BP said that the A's 14th best prospect james simmons, would be #2 in the astros farm system

"I hope they don't want a top prospect cause the cubs don't have any. Unless of course you ask adUNCEcaroo."

Crosby won't net a top prospect. Period.

And the Cubs don't have the worst farm system in baseball. That honor belongs to the Astros.

Either way, they won't be getting Crosby. The only god forsaken reason that they would net Crosby is if they felt that they needed more depth and they would be better served with Crosby rotating between third and short instead of Fontenot/Rivas switching between second and third. Personally, Rivas below a million(not 100 percent sure on specifics) sounds like a much better deal than Crosby at 5 million. Granted, it would take absolutely nothing to get him but the salary isn't worth it. Is anyone else excited for the Cubs White Sox game to be on tv tonight?

Tyler,

I think the Teahen for Crosby proposal is a good one IF the Royals have decided that Teahen is a spare part...

""Teahen for Crosby"

I like both of these players but they desperately need to be moved to parks which are hitter friendly."

Teahen probably would benefit from a hitter's park.

Crosby really wouldn't, IMO. If most of your outs are weak grounders or shallow popups (don't have a stat on this, just from watching). And a 76 OPS+ (which is park adjusted) is just horrible.

BTW, Svengoolie, what team do you root for. I've discerned that its one of the Chicago teams (or it could be both), but which one(s)?

they need to keep him cause in a year if the econamy or w.e you spell it gets better thencabrera is ganna go out and find some money leaving the A's with nothing

hang on here first off theriot did a fine jobs and showed pretty decent range,and ill agree for his speed his stolen base ability sucked but as a number 2 hitter he was awesome,he hit for average and did a great job moving runners along and settng the table for the 3,4,5 hitters,i agree he isnt a lead off hitter but in the 2 whole he is perfect,the cubs were the #1 run scoring team last year and some credit should go to theriot for doing a nice job hitting in the two whole.