Pirates And Mariners Make Seven Player Deal

He is definitely getting traded. This guy has been rumored in almost every deal with the M's. My guess is he is being packaged to a team with Washburn in return for a highly regarded prospect or two.

Whoever trades for Washburn is in for a very rude awakening when he starts pitching. His peripherals are the same as previous awful seasons, and he'll surely be without the elite defensive outfield the M's trot out.

God help the Yankees, especially. Terrible flyball pitcher in that stadium in that division? Might as well be forfeiting the season with how detrimental he'd be.

I'd be more inclined to think Clement is getting recalled to take Branyan's spot on the roster. It would make so much more sense to deal Branyan for a decent return and bring Clement up to the big league club.

But then again, who knows, Clement's name has been getting thrown all over the place.

maybe a trade for freddy sanchez

Posted by: marinersfanforlife | July 28, 2009 at 11:45 PM

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HELLLLLLLLLLL no.

I'm just elated that Washburn isn't coming to the Phils...Amaro better bring in Halladay or Lee.

If the above is true from Pablano, that doesn't sound like a great trade for the Brewers. They're not going anywhere this year even if they do sneak into the playoffs, and they have another rental pitcher on their hands-though I guess the draft picks might make it worthwhile...?

Sorry Pablano, but that trade is absolutely ridiculous.

The crew is not going to trade away one of their starting pitchers for another. they're looking at ADD someone in place of injured dave bush.

Lion- that and they aren't going to trade Gamel for a two month rental.

Mariners trading for Freddy Sanchez? Uh why?

Washburn/Clement/Lowe to Boston for Jed Lowrie.

Yep. Lowrie to Seattle it is. Didn't see that coming. Good Call.

I think they just said Kalish, which would mean it isn't just Lowrie. I'm also pretty sure I heard 'player to be named later.'

My sources tell me the M's are going for Halladay.

Where is this coming from?

Felix, Bedard, Halladay = Solid.

Um, Lowrie isn't being reported by anyone, the Mariners are sellers not buyers so Halladay is preposterous, and Darvish isn't coming to MLB for at least one year. More likely two.

If Washburn falls apart and we don't win the AL East, I'm going to be pissed.

Darvish is coming in two weeks, been confirmed.

Lol yeah that one guy made up the Halladay thing as it turns out. He's going to Texas probably. And Darvish is my half-cousin's best friend and so yeah he's coming next season to the M's.

And as for my friend 'juiced', please stop posting crap. You're lowering the quality of the site!

Point taken, 'juiced' and no hard feelings!

Have you guys heard the Ryan Howard rumors?

Really? You don't know what I mean by triple a types?

Ok, how about non prospects doing nothing to justify their position on an mlb roster. Maybe clement doesn't amount to anything but his bat has potential and i'm confused as to who on that god awful lineup is blocking him, in the american league with the dh none the less.

I havnt even seen anything from MLB Network, ESPN, or the Seattle Times.

Once it is actually true which I doubt then you can post it but Washburn,Clement and a throw in for a SS batting .103 or something like that.

Now Clement or Lowrie might make a tad more sense but this whole thing is BS until it hits main streem

So this Trade with Seattle and Boston was confirmed on MLB Network??

Posted by: mpeaty | July 29, 2009 at 12:20 AM
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No.
I'm watching MLB Network and scouring the web. Nothing has been reported on anything.

It seems there are a couple asshats in the audience tonight.

Clement really doesn't have much value anymore. Most of it was in his ability to stay at catcher. If we can get something for him, that'd be great.

"LMAO some idiot read the garbage here and actually posted the Seattle/Boston phony trade on SoSH lol

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showtopic=47674"

Haha sorry I better watch it before making up stuff. It was just speculation and I didn't know people would take it so seriously. Despite the enjoyment I get from messing with Boston fans, I feel a little bad. :P

LMAO some idiot read the garbage here and actually posted the Seattle/Boston phony trade on SoSH lol

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showtopic=47674

Posted by: TJ Sox Fan | July 29, 2009 at 12:23 AM

That was me. I know my stuff, but, I'm kind of gullible. Please show a little more respect. I'd show it to you.

I do not get MLB Network. Based on that, I had to assume they were right. It sounded too good for the M's, after all. It sounded stupid, but, you never know in this game. I'm angry that I feel for that.

I'm making sure trades get posted at SoSH. I'm just reporting, as I should. Same bogus already happened with Lee today. You didn't laugh at him. Don't with me; it was an honest mistake.

Ban these fools, please, Ben, Tim, Mike, Eddie, or anyone else in power. This site is slowly going downhill, due to user content. Sigh.

This is low. It's too bad, I love this page, otherwise.

There's really no point to read the comments except for entertainment. Tim is always on top of rumors and won't post anything sketchy or unsubstantiated. The comments are where some people speculate, some dream, some are idiots, and many are entertained. No different than comment threads on most sites.

Rule #1, never post anything as legitimate without a link to a reliable website...(that excludes WEEI twitter accounts lol) Don't try to beat others to it, make sure you have a reliable source, and clearly we learned tonight the comments section of MLBTR isnt reliable :p

"Rule #1, never post anything as legitimate without a link to a reliable website...(that excludes WEEI twitter accounts lol) Don't try to beat others to it, make sure you have a reliable source, and clearly we learned tonight the comments section of MLBTR isnt reliable :p"

Okay that's cool. Hopefully your team will successfully finish in 3rd. ;)

Kazmir and Morrow are the same. 5 2/3 innings. good SO, morrow has a better FB.

Morrow is on the rise. Kazmir is down

"This helps the Mariners get younger, fills a couple needs, and allows them to keep fighting for the division."

Dude they are behind two very hot teams and 7.5 out of the division and 6.5 and chasing 3 teams in the wild card. Time to become sellers and retool with some prospects.

Another thing, the Mariners have lost a lot of games they shouldn't because of bad luck, far more than they won because of good luck and the opposite is true for the Angels. If one thing has always been true about the length of a MLB season, it's that luck evens out over the course of a season and Anaheim is due for a lot of bad luck, like how they just two of their last 3. Probably it's going to get worse for them, not better.

Ok lets see here:

Morrow is on his way down, his control is horrible. He has had basically none at all. He has a fastball and a very small curve change up thing thats pretty easy to spot cus he has no control, thats why he is in Tacoma.

Jeff Clement yes he could be their if Griffey wasn't.....but Clement's bat speed vs RHP has not improved in almost 2 years!! Against LHP he is still doing well. I like Clement he can hit AAA pitching but so can Bryan Lahair also he never could be a Catcher and with Adam Moore shooting up no way that was gonna happen after last season. As for a DH its possible he finds that speed but still he would do better in the NL as a 1B even though he has to work on his DF. Also another reason he is not on the club Mike Carp and Chris Shelton are way ahead of him on the depth chart. Just another reason to trade him.

Posted by: tinynick | July 29, 2009 at 02:22 AM

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How are you evaluating bat speed?! You realize Clement has 33 2B and 14 HR this season, right? Where does that tell you his bat speed is down? Nobody has EVER questioned his bat, so I don't know where you get that. They've wondered whether he could be a solid defensive catcher and I'm actually more impressed with him behind the plate than Johnson. So I think that's all negative criticism because everyone is still stuck on his ability coming out of college and hasn't given him the chance in their own minds to be productive defensively. Some people just get a bad wrap and it sticks with them. Clement may not have a lot of value to fans, but GM Z doesn't have to trade with fans, he has to trade with other GMs that look past the numbers. If he can trade Yuniesky Betancourt to KC for Dan Cortes + another arm, then he can certainly get value from Clement.

Na I get this because "LAST YEAR" and this year his bat speed was in question. Its a big deal because he hits LHP so much better then RHP. Yes he has 14 hrs but last year before he was called up he had better DF then Johnson but after he was injured that just went away. Here is what he was doing against RHP and LHP before being called up last year:Vs
LHP: .373/.462/.776, 25 for 67, 15 XBH
Vs RHP: .249/.332/.436, 45 for 181, 20 XBH

Forgive me for not having time to find this years line but, Im not saying he has lost anything I'm saying he is not improving like he should be for if he is going to be a DH. Like I said before if he works on his DF at 1B he could be good in the NL. In the AL right now not so much.

When a lefty hits a lefty better than a righty it means he's staying closed longer before his bat enters the hitting zone. It's a lot easier for a lefty to improve against righties and his big knock was that he wasn't staying back against lefties. Sounds like he's doing what AAA players do and focus on one area of concern at a time. Probably he's been told to stay back longer before he reacts to the pitches and it's caused him to struggle against righties because his timing is off, but I would be more concerned if the numbers were reversed because the league has a lot more lefties in it and a high OPS against righties is and a low OPS against lefties would open him up to being labeled a platoon hitter. Plus bat speed is bat speed, maybe you are looking for a different word, but those numbers don't have anything to do with bat speed and the bat speed doesn't change for hitter based on the pitcher. What DOES change is reaction. He may not be reacting to righties as well, but his bat speed is just fine. If he's hitting .373 against lefties that's the least of the reaction time he'll have and he's showing the ability to square the ball up just fine.

According to an update at the link in the post, a deal is expected to be announced in the morning and that Seattle has bought, not sold..... Seriously? Ugh Seattle has no shot at anything this year, what a waste.

http://blogs.thenewstribune.com/mariners/

Looks like Aaron Pribanic a 4th round pickup from a couple years ago was included.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=priban001ben

So far this season Pribanic is looking solid, but his secondary pitches are probably unrefined. Typically when a low-level pitching prospect lacks 1:1 ration of SO per IP, it means they live and die on the fastball and/or their breaking pitch is only average. The word coming out of the draft that year was that Pribanic was a steal in the 4th round. Sounds like they got something going with a team like the Indians who are looking for lower level pitching prospects. Most of the prospects in Cleveland are floating around AA or AAA. Not all, but most of their good ones.

Morrow didn't pitch tonight, so it's hard to say whether he was included. An interesting answer was given when talking about who will replace Bedard in the rotation this time through and the answer given was maybe Olson and maybe we give a shot to a guy like Doug Fister, who has been quitely productive at all of his stops and is only 23 or 24, pitching solid for AAA. Maybe this means Olson would be included.

Could they be trying to keep Morrow in the system? Does Clement, Pribanic, Olson, and maybe Balentien and/or Corcoran to Cleveland get you Kazmir and Brignac? If Lee is going to Tampa Bay for Kazmir and Brignac to Seattle, then it would seem Tampa Bay would have to add a top flight guy, maybe Hellickson since Wade is their untouchable prospect...

Cleveland gets:

Clement
Pribanic
Olson
Balentien
Hellickson

Tampa Bay gets:

Lee

Seattle gets:

Kazmir
Brignac

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So this begs the question, does Seattle with a rotation of Felix, Washburn, Bedard, Kazmir, and Rowland-Smith make the Mariners more competitive? Does adding Brignac at SS, moving Cedeno to a super utility role (and 3B until Beltre returns), make you a better team?

I think the Mariners with Saunders in LF, Brignac at SS, Beltre returning in a few days from the DL to take over at 3B, and Carp getting called up to take over DHing, that this team could have the offense to make some noice, maybe not enough to win the division, but they could make it interesting and it would be hard to say that a move like this wouldn't help them now and into the future.

tj sox fan, what post? if it says we are buyers then we are screwed but kazmir and brignac wouldnt be us buying.

There is a strong possibility if the Mariners are going to keep Kenji as it would probably help both of them to work together. While the contract is tame, roughly 31MM through 2012, it would still be a sell low/salary dump move considering his season. I would guess that he wouldn't get a lot in return.

If the trade for Kazmir goes down, then the Mariners would be looking at a rotation of Felix, Washburn, Bedard, Kazmir, Rowland-Smith. I think personally that Rowland-Smith is a guy I would keep in the bullpen because he was far more effective in that role and a lefty late inning reliever that can touch 94 mph is not an easy thing to find. That being said, it would make a rotation spot available. I think Matsuzaka could be activated at any time and if he is than they could get something done by the deadline. Probably it wouldn't be the return you would hope for, but it would get someone off the team who clearly doesn't want to be there. Maybe a back of the rotation starter like Vargas or a couple young prospects. Seattle could use Lowrie and it looks like the Sox want to get Scutaro anyways.

Seattle gets:

Daisuke Matsuzaka
Jed Lowrie
and $7MM towards the next three years to lower his salary to $7MM per season, something affordable in case he's a bust.

Boston gets:

Michael Pineda
Bryan LaHair
Jason Vargas

Something like this that gives Boston a long reliever/spot starter who throws left-handed, they get an insurance plan for 1B because I get the feeling Lars Anderson is going to be packaged for Halladay and LaRoche is probably someone that gets flipped. LaHair seems like a Mientkiewicz type who can play decent defense and can give you some solid at bats should you get an injury. He's also from MS, so he would probably by-pass minor league free agency for the chance to wear a Red Sox jersey. Pineda has huge upside and is worth Lowrie straight up. He's 20 years old and almost threw a no-hitter at two different points last season, he's got decent fastball that touches 95-96 and decent breaking pitches, he's surviving pretty well in one of the worst pitching parks in baseball, actually 2nd worst in all of professional baseball, and he's labeled a potential #2/TOR starter, probably not too different from a younger Bowden. He's said to be a Top 100 prospect next year based on the year he's having. That my friend is about as good as it'll get, depending on Vargas and LaHair those pieces might be able to be switched for something else depending on what they want, but that's about the trade value you are looking at.

This reminds me so much of the Adam LaRoche trade. What I don't understand if a deal is done, why doesn't anybody know what it is? You'd think someone would figure it out overnight, but guess not.

Seems most likely that the trade is Branyan to someone who needs a CI in return for prospect(s). The trade isn't finalized yet so there is no announcement.

No crystal ball but it seems more than possible.

@04: I don't know. Maybe I'm just being a pessimist, but this combined with the news about Phillies minor leaguers...

I just hope Amaro isn't about to do something stupid.

or cliff lee

I agree but you never know who else is in on washburn, who appears to have a much lower asking price than halladay. almost anyone could jump in on washburn and leave the phillies with nothing. i still think they should make a halladay deal happen.

"Why not keep the line open on Halladay and Lee until they're either dealt or an official "forget it" is offered?"

In Halladay's case, the Jays were never serious about trading him in the first place. Now that Ricciardi's "deadline" has passed the Phils need to move on an actual deal or get shut out altogether,

"Have you even watched the Angels? They have been overmatched in almost all their games and have been winning by luck and when that luck goes away, they are going to be doing a face plant. How in the world do you think that a team rated 27th in the majors for team ERA can maintain that kind of lead? Meanwhile the Mariners are the best pitching team in the AL and a middle of the road team as far as offense. Their run total is down, but they are getting Beltre back which will make their pitching better and if they were to make this trade, their pitching would be better and they would solve the problem at SS with Brignac. Did I say they would win the division?! No, just said that it would allow them to keep fighting... Why is it that there are people on this site like Boomer who are so cynical that they put words in other peoples' mouths? Yeah, it's IMPOSSIBLE that the Mariners could come back, I mean they just owned Texas in a series before the All-Star break winning 3 of 4. And if they did that again, with Anaheim losing a couple games, they'd be within reach of the leaders with 7 games against Anaheim, which if they won 5 of them would all but erase the difference. PLUS the Angels have to play 20 games in a row TWICE and 40 games in 41 days, and if you go further than that, they play 57 games in 60 days, which means they can skip their #5 starter maybe twice. Plus not having breaks in the hottest months of the year will eventually wear down even the best of teams. I really don't think you are looking evenly at the Angels."

How are the Angels lucky but the Mariners not as Washburn and career AAAA Braynan are having career years to help. Beltre coming back doesn't seem like a huge help as he was not great pre injury. Throwing in an unproven rookie SS is not gonna do miracles for a team. And maybe the LAA are making a move to better themselves for the playoffs as the Dodgers look to despite their large lead. You are up there with some of the biggest homers I've seen on this site.

im liking this trade. Good for both teams

So...

Mariners going to hold onto Washburn now?

Finally, no more Jack Wilson complaining about every trade the Pirates make.

the red sox are going to have to get creative now if they want to fix the shortstop situation, but i honestly dont think they intended to do such a thing this summer