Morosi On Yankees, Qualls, Tigers

Brian Bruney hasnt pitched in months. thats why his controll his off. his stuff is there, but hell soon get back his control. Besides, Aceves, Coke, and Hughes have done a really good job out in the pen. no need for a reliever.

hey u guys are forgetting the Yankess care! If one guy is struggling they go out and get a new guy bc they dont care about YOUNG TALLENT.
And i agree Maggs should grow a mustache.

The Tigers need to hope Maggs keeps slumping so the can rightfully cut him. That sounds awful but taking on 18M for a utility infielder bat playing poor corner outfield can really hurt a club.

i am no yankee fan but they seem to do a good job in developing through their farm. Do they go out and buy big name FA's? Sure, but IMO that over shadows the players they bring up through the farm.

Now, my Tigers need to cut Maggs. IIRC when Maggs was benched we were winning games (like 7 or 8 in a row) and now that he is back we almost got swept by the A's and the Astros.

the yanks get their talent from trades or free agency, rarely do they have a farm grown kid like jeter.

Its really sad to see a guy with such talent have a slump that. Hopefully MAgglio will come out of this slump, if not then he had a great career

YFS78, Bruney wasn't from the Yankees farm system

He was traded from the DBacks (not sure if he was drafted by them either)

Aceves came from the Mexican leagues also, but that does not matter. His 1st MLB experience was with the Yankees and I also grow tired of seeing the constant crap here about the Yankees buying teams via FA.. GET OVER IT FOLKS. They have been doing it since 1975 when George Steinbrenner 1st signed Catfish Hunter as a FA and they ain't gonna stop now! So just stop.

They use a combo of FA and bring guys up, sometimes (usually) trade the farm chips for veterans, or bring them up with Jeters, Mattinglys, Willie Randolphs, Dave Righettis, blah, blah.

Now they are bringing up some and signing some FA again. It goes in cycles, have seen this since Steinbrenner took over. Get over it please...

Oh yeah, and not to make this a Yanks vs ??? issue but the Yanks as mentioned have 14 homegrown (drafted, traded for as a minor leaguer or signed as undrafted FA) players on their 25 man roster whereas:

Boston has 10: Youkilis, Pedroia, Varitek, Ellsbury, Bard, Delcarmen, Lester, Masterson, Papelbon and Kotteras.

Rays have 8: Kazmir, Niemman, Price, Shields, Longoria, Crawford, Upton and Zobrist.

Obviously, Boston and the Rays have done a great job of developing more recent all-star quality players than the Yanks (Cano, Wang, Joba, Hughes) but the notion that the Yanks don't value young prospects is inaccurate. In fact, for better or for worse, they have been reluctant to trade top blue-chip prospects with Tabata being the exception.

YFS78, Bruney wasn't from the Yankees farm system

He was traded from the DBacks (not sure if he was drafted by them either)

Posted by: mike923 | July 03, 2009 at 11:26 AM

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I didn't say he was. I left him off of that list of guys that were either traded in minor league deals or signed as released players but brought up thru the farm. Even though, he's not included in my list of the 14 guys developed by the Yanks farm.

Oh yeah, and not to make this a Yanks vs ??? issue but the Yanks as mentioned have 14 homegrown (drafted, traded for as a minor leaguer or signed as undrafted FA) players on their 25 man roster whereas:

Boston has 10: Youkilis, Pedroia, Varitek, Ellsbury, Bard, Delcarmen, Lester, Masterson, Papelbon and Kotteras.

Rays have 8: Kazmir, Niemman, Price, Shields, Longoria, Crawford, Upton and Zobrist.

Obviously, Boston and the Rays have done a great job of developing more recent all-star quality players than the Yanks (Cano, Wang, Joba, Hughes) but the notion that the Yanks don't value young prospects is inaccurate. In fact, for better or for worse, they have been reluctant to trade top blue-chip prospects with Tabata being the exception.
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In Bostons case i think if your gonig to include Aceves on the yankees part from the mexican leagues then i think you should include okajima and matsuzaka cause anybody could had them if they were willing to pay up the posting fee and sign them to a contract.... and come on scott kazmir in the rays organization?!? Just about everyone knows about that awful deal with the mets that sent victor zambrano to the mets for scott kazmir a huge mistake by the mets organization

YanksFan78..... your getting owned right now lol :)

Magglio needs a change of scenery; I suggest an NL club. It sounds bad now, I know, but the Giants should be interested. Magglio is having a truly awful year, I realize. Just a wacky opinion. I think it'd work.

Posted by: UnbiasedYankee | July 03, 2009 at 12:06 PM

i agree with you a change of scenery would be nice for MMAgglio anything can help him right now, except a haircut

"Those 6 cost-controlled years are a huge part of "young talent." Counting Dice-K would be like saying Dave Dombrowski is a genius for having Miguel Cabrera. Anyone who wanted to pay 100MM for a guy who was dominating inferior competition in Dice-K, yeah...

Guys get signed out of the Mexican League for peanuts. If they pan out, that's great. Paying a guy 100MM? If he ain't performing, that's a huge problem. No logical comparison."
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Melonis i usually respect your opinion alot on this website and look at you as a great source of mlb info but that just made no sense at all man! Miguel Cabrera was drafted by the marlins then traded to the tigers so first off what inferior competition was miguel cabrera facing? Next were talking about drafting people and where they first broke in with organizations so again he didnt first play with the tigers he was a talented third baseman that made all star appearances since he was 21 years old and he did expierence mlb vs japan games and world baseball classic starts where he dominated so they were aware of his talent they both had there rookie seasons with the sox and did perform well but matsuzakas struggling now probably cause of fatigue..

Qualls? Capps? Whaaaa?

What the hell does Mark Melancon have to do to get called up?

Besides dominate AAA, since that's already been done.

What the hell does Mark Melancon have to do to get called up?

Go Chacon-style (on Ed Wade) on Cashman.

At least you've got Beane, who knows what do with his prospects. Cashman ticks me off, in this regard, of prospect matters. He was fairly decent at brief major league time this year. It's a good plan, melonis. I'll try that one in the Yankee mailbag (worth a shot). They have the most contact with the Yankee executives.

Ah, if we were GMs... It's not easy, but it's fun to dream.

YanksFan78..... your getting owned right now lol :)

Posted by: padre23 | July 03, 2009 at 12:06 PM
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Really? I think what I said, that remains undisputed, is that the Yanks have 14 guys on their 25 man roster that were a) drafted b) signed as an undraftee FA c) traded in a minor league deal and debuted with the Yanks.

Cano, Jeter, Posada, Cabrera, Cervelli, Gardner, Pettite, Joba, Wang, Mo, Aceves, Robertson, Coke and Hughes. That's 14 players currently on the 25 man roster that are homegrown.

Drafted: Jeter, Posada, Gardner, Joba, Robertson, Coke and Hughes

Undrafted amatuer FA: Pettite, Mo, Cabrera, Cano, Wang, Aceves and Cervelli.

UnbiasedYankee is right. Yeah, I meant Dice-K faced inferior competition in Japan and got that giant paycheck, not Miguel Cabrera. I just meant that extending a 25 yo Miggy shouldn't make Dombrowski a genius.

"At least you've got Beane, who knows what do with his prospects. Cashman ticks me off, in this regard, of prospect matters"

Oh. Beane has a few major prospect/young player mishandlings from this year.

Buck, Cunningham, and Barton each get called up in alternating stints for a short period of time each. Now, all three of them are hitting well in AAA. They get a start or two here and there, and they don't get regular ABs, and its for crap like Davis, Nomar, and Crosby, who all need to be released. If they don't put up good numbers in the two week "cup of tea" they get, they get sent down. And the cycle continues.

And the same thing with Buck happened last year. Early season slump, not worse than the slump Teixeira went through to start the season, get sent down, don't get called back up until September. Mashes in September.

"Oh yeah, and not to make this a Yanks vs ??? issue but the Yanks as mentioned have 14 homegrown (drafted, traded for as a minor leaguer or signed as undrafted FA) players on their 25 man roster whereas:"

You know, I dont want to get involved as well, but I did want to point something out. The Yankees can be considered as doing a pretty good job drafting/developing players from within. But it is still their money spent that is behind the reason. Half the talent in their system are players that fell way down the draft to the handful of teams able to fork over the cash to buy them. And the Yankees had those late picks because every year they have their supplemental picks from losing the high priced FA players they had signed previously. They are in essence buying Top Prospects others cant afford to sign, just like they buy Freeagents. And while that is fine under the current rules, they cant be considered to be some fantastic drafting/developing team when it solely cash that brought them the guys in question.

Likewise, being able to keep a handful of ‘homegrown’ players for 10+ years is because of one thing – the ability to spend out the rear. No team is able to retain their freeagents like that, so where technically they did bring up guys like Jeter, Posada and Rivera, they cant really be thought of in the same way.

(Also, didn’t read all the comment so sorry if it was mentioned before, just thought it should be incase it wasn’t)

I ought to watch A's more, that's rather discouraging. All 3 of them have pretty decent up side. From what I've seen of Buck, I love what he brings to the table. Excellent discpline.

Barton deserves a MLB job, not Sacramento. I like him as I do Buck- great taking a walk. What is Beane thinking with 21 PA is good enough. Seriously, I'd try around 75-100. You can not tell enough of a player from this small of a sample size.

Cunningham, deserves more than 50 PA, especially with only a .200 BABIP.

I've just wondered- WHY the heck Crosby is still a Athletic!? He's, as you say, garbage. Nomar is getting to be a corpse at this point. Again, why? Davis is not a major league player. I'm really befuddled. I don't get it. Just odd.

By the way, I did send my e-mail (about Melancon) to the Mailbag, as Nick R.

"They are in essence buying Top Prospects others cant afford to sign, just like they buy Freeagents. And while that is fine under the current rules, they cant be considered to be some fantastic drafting/developing team when it solely cash that brought them the guys in question."

I wouldn't call them fantastic, but they're definitely a good drafting/development team.

Yet there are plenty of big market teams who don't play the catch guys who slip/sign them overslot game. The Yanks, Red Sox, and Tigers in recent years have been good about that, but then the Mets (albeit they have been good in the international market), Cubs, White Sox (Viciedo is an exception), and Angels aren't.

And then, no mid-market team with a high draft pick (which indicates they were bad last year) has an excuse to skimp on the draft as a whole IMO. It doesn't work out that well. Dump salary at the MLB level, don't skimp on the draft.

"Likewise, being able to keep a handful of ‘homegrown’ players for 10+ years is because of one thing – the ability to spend out the rear. No team is able to retain their freeagents like that, so where technically they did bring up guys like Jeter, Posada and Rivera, they cant really be thought of in the same way."

Oh yeah. I agree with this. They deserve credit for developing these guys, but to count them homegrown right now when they're making at or above market rates is absurd, although this counts for all teams who retain the studs they developed by signing them to FA-money extensions and not just the Yankees.

Also, how hard is it for the Rays or Brewers to find great draft picks when they were consistantly drafting players from the first 5 picks? Does anyone doubt that the Yanks could've done as good a job drafting guys like Price, Longoria, Upton, Hamilton and Young? I mean that's like saying the Nats did a great job drafting Strasburgh. As much as I hate the Red Sox I give them much more credit for finding Pedroia, Youks, Papelbon, Ellsbury, Bard, Masterson, etc WHILE still being a competitive team that always drafts late in the 1st round. It's only been in the last few years since Cashman has had control of the draft, have the Yanks been very aggressive towards spending/scouting in the draft. 2006 I think has been his best thus far (Joba, IPK, McAllister, Kontos, Betances, Melancon, Robertson, McCutchen (Pirates) and Erickson (Pirates).