Giants, Pirates Discussed Sanchez, LaRoche

Adding Freddy and LaRoche would be insane! Maybe we could then FINALLY cut Aurilia!!!

Pirates fans...what do you need?
I'm assuming it would be Jonathan Sanchez, Travis Ishikawa + Prospect?

MAN I HOPE THE CUBS WOULD PUT SOME INTREST IN SANCHEZ SOON... but then again we did just aquire baker but freddy sanchez is freddy sanchez.

o one more thing some nl team needs to go grab matt hoilday we need him to go to the all star game soriano dosent deserve to be there. Vote Reed Johnson for DEFENCE!

55saveslives: The Pirates would have no need for Ishikawa...Sanchez for LaRoche could work. As for WIlson I think you'd need a deal with Burris or Velez and a couple of quality prospects.

"Hahahaha. Good one!.......Oh wait you were serious. "

I love when people make moronic comments that add NOTHING to the thread...

FAIL!

I assume the Giants would continue to look for a POWER bat even if they traded for Sanchez.

Yeah I shouldn't have said wilson...i obviously meant freddy sanchez. haha

Yeah its hard to put up a good trade proposal with the Giants...Lincecum, Cain, Alderson, Bumgardner, and Posey are all off limits. Villona is prob too much to ask for. The Pirates would look at a guy like Velez or Burriss as a stop gap until they can find a true starter at SS.

I don't mean to brag but I stated about a week ago this was an ideal fit. I can see a three or four for two trade. If they only get Sanchez it would be for Ishikawa and Sanchez.

55Saveslives: A fair trade for F. Sanchez would be something along the lines of Burriss, Scott Barnes and Clayton Tanner. The Giants may have to kick in another fringe prospect, but I'd say thats pretty fair.

As for LaRoche, I think J. Sanchez is a start and the main component, but the Giants would prob. need to add more. Only a low level prospect or two but I would have to say they will need to add something.

Ishikawa isn't an option for the Pirates (or any other team for that matter). He's pretty awful. Yes he's good defensively but I don't think he will ever hit big league pitching.

MorbidRyan: LaRoche is out performing Holliday this year and costs half as much. I'm not sure but I think LaRoche will be a Type-A guy like Holliday. Also , LaRoche will cost less in prospects, J. Sanchez and a low prospect isn't a major return. They'd have to give up alot more for Holliday.

Oh Holliday is the better player, but you have no way of knowing if he can reach that level. I think it would be dumb to pay twice the money and at least twice the prospect package for a player who is in a pretty bad slump.

If the Giants want better value than LaRoche they should look at OF's like Scott or Willingham, who are cheap and cost controlled. (they are also vastly out producing Holliday).

Do SF really think Laroche & Freddy are the answers?
All they're going to do is waste prospects that could be used to net long term positonal talent.
The Giants need to be filling whichever position Pablo isn't going to play so either 1B OR 3B, then get a 2B and a corner OF.
Assuming they can easily pick up a corner OF in FA.
That leaves 1B/3B & 2B.
Why are they not looking at Jorge Cantu & Dan Uggla?
Say for Jonathan Sanchez, a good pitching prospect not named Aldersen or Bumgarner,Lewis,Burris and Ishikawa.

LaRoche is worth more right now (meaning this point of the season) than he would have been in the offseason.

Now is the time he, EVERY YEAR, starts to catch fire. That historical fact, combined with him being an elite defensive first baseman (which he gets NO credit for) would make him the PERFECT FIT for a playoff run.

Freddy is probably going to make the all-star game again. His defensive range is below average, but he makes all the average plays and hits .300 with 40+ 2Bs out of the 2-spot in the order.

If the Pirates were to do something like this, I would say they would have to pull an Alderson out of it. J. Sanchez would definately be a "buy low", which Huntington likes to do. And before you SF fans start with your "you're crazy" crap, remember - you're talking about a post-Bonds playoff push. You'd be getting a new right-side to your infield with an increase in offensive production. Don't throw mid-tier "prospects" names out there.

OhPityMe: I guess your knowledge is enough to argue your case he's not? No.

Last year's gold glove winner in the NL was Adrian Gonzalez. He has had 26 errors since 2006. Albert Pujols? 25. Adam LaRoche? 21 (including the one he had list night). His career .995 fielding percentage is equal to Gonzalez AND TEIXEIRA, and higher than Pujol's .992. Todd Helton trumps them all at .996 (though his body of work is much longer than everyone elses).

Adam LaRoche can flat pick it at 1B.

So if mentioning Alderson in a trade gets me your "post of the day", so be it. But please bring some facts to the table if you want to debate something - your opinion is worthless to me.

F. Sanchez and LaRoche for J. Sanchez and Schierholtz.

Bucs throw in a tier-2 prospect and cash.

richard.cordrey: While I agree Alderson is too much to ask for I think you aren't giving LaRoche and Sanchez enough credit. Sanchez ranks in the top 5 in most OPS and RC for 2B. Only Utley is head and shoulders above him. LaRoche may only rank in the low teens, but he is still far ahead of Ishikawa. Also you need to take into count the fact that LaRoche will be a compensation FA this offseason, so those draft picks add to his value. These players are superior to Teahen, and Sanchez is above Uggla right now. Sure a guy like Uggla has upside, but there is no guarantee, that he hits like he did last year. If not Sanchez is the better option for a team making a playoff run.

@ Steveo26

I fully agree with the Uggla sentiments... I don't want to trade for him, but the reality is that the upside is always going to loom, whereas we already know F Sanchez and LaRoche's upsides.

The reason that I'm undervaluing Sanchez/LaRoche in this particular trade scenario is that the Giants would be taking on so much salary, and Pitt would be taking on almost nothing at all. With that consideration, they can't expect to get high level talent in return, and I don't think they're looking for it.

I think that Frandsen to take over 2nd base would work for the Pirates for now, and I'm not familiar with who they've got at the farm that can fill 1B. Along with their desire to get a lefty bullpen guy (J Sanchez), I see it likely that the Giants give up Sanchez/Frandsen/Ishikawa/mid-prospect... Would be a fair trade for both sides, all things considered.

Uggla is not even available right now guys and Freddy Sanchez is, if the Giants have a chance at him, they should go for it.

I don't think that Uggs could thrive as well as many Giants fans think anyway in SF, he is pretty much a dead pull hitter for his power and that park will sap his power. Also, check his power stats, he hit 23 of his HR totals last year before the break and only 9 after, he habitually does better before the break and tapers off some afterward, not saying this year would be the same, but his .avg and obp has both been down some, not necessarily his HR and RBI totals an awful lot, but even if SF did give up a lot for Uggs, if he went by his previous season performance, that would be a mistake.

Sanchez is in the pen? Whaa? He's not even their worst starter this season. Sanchez's ERA of 5 is a function of bad luck. His FIP and tRA in both 2008 and 2009 have both been under 5.

Freddy Sanchez will probably also be the Giants' 2B next year granted that option (which is a good deal) vests, which provides a good bridge to Nick Noonan, or Nick Noonan is traded.

How about J. Sanchez, Brandon Crawford, Kevin Pucetas/Henry Sosa, and some PTBNL for F.Sanchez + LaRoche.

richard.cordrey: I think J. Sanchez/Villalona/PTBNL (from a predetermined list of 2 or 3 players) for Sanchez/LaRoche could be a deal, BUT the PTBNL would have to be an A-ball (either low-A or high-A) starting pitcher - similar to the Locke kid we got in the McClouth deal.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Pirates sent some money as well (don't forget, they sent money in the Hinske trade...like the Yankees needed it).

How about Indians and Giants trade.

Ryan Garko / Johnny Peralta / Jeremy Sowers and Kelly Shoppach

For Alderson / Sosa / Sanchez Villalona .

"F. Sanchez and LaRoche for J. Sanchez and Schierholtz.

Bucs throw in a tier-2 prospect and cash."

Why would the Pirates want to add anything to that deal? That is an awful trade for the Pirates. Schierholtz isn't a valuable piece. He's a very good defender but he's only average offensively. He's a platoon player at best. If you need further proof that he's not a good offensive player look at the numbers. yes he has an .800+ OPS, but his splits are scary. In 116 AB's against RHP he has a .694 OPS (and that's who he is supposed to be good against). Amazingly against lefties he is hitting with a 1.497 OPS, with 2 of his 3 HR's in just 19 at bats. (his career numbers are similar as well). This just shows that Schierholtz's numbers are a paper tiger, and are artificially high. He is a below average hitter, who has killed some bad lefties. If he was a full time starter and had to face the league's best i'm sure his OPS would be closer to .700 than .800.

Also The Bucs don't need Schierholtz. McCutchen is obviously above him, Gorksy, and Tabata have brighter futures than him. Even Milledge would be a better option than him if he can get his head on straight. Right now I'd probably take the likes of Moss and D. Young as well.

If you want F. Sanchez then pitchers like Sosa, Barnes, Tanner (Young guys with upside). And hitters like Noonan, Burriss, Adrianza (MI with upside) need to be included. You aren't going to get an all-star 2B for a left handed reliever who can't hack it as a starter and a platoon player.

For both F. Sanchez and LaRoche (possibly a little money as well) I think a return of:

J. Sanchez: Lefty reliever, makes trading Grabow easier.

Burriss: Could start at SS or 2B, would allow a trade of Wilson.

Barnes/Sosa: Young upside pitchers. If given the choice I'd take Barnes, he's not on the 40 man so no other roster move would need to be made.

Kevin Pucetas: Could be a back of the rotation/long man. He has little upside, but could help the Pirates now. Also isn't on the 40 man meaning the Bucs wouldn't need to make room.

Thomas Neal: Doesn't fit into the Pirates OF mentality but could always move back to 1B. He offers real time power potential.

(If the Pirates kick in a significant amount say above $2 I think another solid prospect is added).

baseballnuts....

Wow!!!! Just Wow!!!

*sigh* It seems every few days I need to remind people that this "salary dump" that keeps being referred to is an illusion.

We arent trading them to dump salary, we are dumping them to get some form of value out of players that dont fit into the long term picture.

If the pirates dont get top value out of LaRoche, so be it, but he will be sold to the highest bidder.

But with Sanchez not being a free agent next season (due most likely to the vesting of his contract) we absolutely DO NOT need to trade him. If someone blows NH away, Freddy can and should be dealt to progress the organizations future, but surely wont be thrown to the curb for a bag of SF giants bobbleheads.

Someone above commented on J. Sanchez and Schierholtz for Freddy and A LaRoche plus the bucs chipping in a prospect...LMAO Ill stop there.

After doing a bit more research and talking with a few people around some of our local media outlets, I can provide a new and updated list of possible Pirate targets.

-Emmanual Burriss
-Brock Bond
-Kevin Frandsen
-Nick Noonan
-Jonathen Sanchez
-Sergio Romo
-Henry Sosa

This discussion of us possibley taking Ishi off your hands has no validity to it whatsoever.

If NH can pry away 4 of the best, or any 5 of those we may be playing ball.

But to be 100% honest, Besides Noonan, do any of those guys have exceptional value?

Giants fans?

I would expect a trade for the Pirates to net something along the lines of:

Sanchez, Burris, Frandsen, Sosa, Tanner

The pirates might even throw in some cash to that deal. I don't think they are worried to much about sunk costs, those guys are already budgeted.

As a fan of both teams, I'd say this would help the Giants immensely, both the offensive and defensive improvements would be great, while they wouldn't be losing anything that has helped the big league club this year.

Sanchez is vastly overrated, he will near 55 extra base hit this year while playing steady defense.

LaRoche is solid, not spectacular, but he is known to have big 2nd halfs.

This is a good trade for both clubs.

The Giants are interested in Freddie Sanchez only, not LaRoche...Giants are not going to make any "blockbuster" deals. Forget top tier prospects from them being included in any trade..

CAfan: I think you meant to say Sanchez is underrated, but other than that I agree with your post. I think that would be a fair return for the Bucs.

Richard.cordey: Ishikawa doesn't seem to really have power, he might get you 20 hr's but thats about it. I think the fact of the matter is at best Ishikawa is in that .800-.825 OPS range. That would represent a low for LaRoche. I just don't see the upside for a 26 year old. He's a solid bench guy and has great defense, but you can't give offense up at 1B.

I could see the Giants being interested in Steven Pearce as well as Sanchez.

But, I don't know, are the Pirates willing to trade him. Or do they consider him the replacment for Laroche.

OhPityMe: if you'd like to use your UZR stat, it definately is convenient to pull last year's stats, eh?

This year:
LaRoche: -.9
Pujols: -1.8
Teixiera: -2.6

Cold hard facts for you right there.

"I'd love to know how Sanchez is overrated. He's a career .300 hitter, who gets 40+ extra base hits and plays good defense. Depending on this year, he could be a two time All star, which admittedly doesn't mean much, but still."

Yeah, Sanchez got a reputation as being overrated because of his struggles last season, but he's been awfully good this year, he won a batting crown in 2007, and he was pretty good in 2006 as well. This guy is a good second baseman.

"

OhPityMe: if you'd like to use your UZR stat, it definately is convenient to pull last year's stats, eh?

This year:
LaRoche: -.9
Pujols: -1.8
Teixiera: -2.6

Cold hard facts for you right there."

Gotta love when people argue about stuff that they really don't know about.

The creator of Ultimate Zone Rating made it abundantly clear that the statistic only holds value with large sample sizes, so using just 2008 or 2009 UZR's to determine how good a player is defensively really won't work.

I know it's a pretty crazy concept, but how about using their career UZR/150's?

Pujols: +6.2
Teixeira: +2.0
LaRoche: -4.8

Clearly, LaRoche is the worst defensive player.

"nmagera....once again you FAIL.

I was curious to see what your proposal was but all you do again is waste time....

Oh well...Peace Out homie!"

Translation: Oh man, I really did propose a bogus trade and I have no idea what I'm talking about. I better go.

If you really want a proposal though, I'll give ya one.

Sanchez, LaRoche for Alderson, Frandsen and Burriss.

So are you gonna refute this proposal or run away again?

Xlazok using this years stats doesn't really hold up because of the relative youth of the season.

Scribbletone you clearly do know what you're on about but how does the fact that I CHOSE to post last years UZR mean I don't know what I'm talking about?
Anyway you were kind enough to post career UZR/150's which prove the point I was making Laroche is most definately not an elite defensive player.

"Sanchez, LaRoche for Alderson, Frandsen and Burriss.

So are you gonna refute this proposal or run away again? "

I'll [A's fan] refute this one for you.

Frandsen has a park adjusted 105 wOBA+ at AAA this year and has had very little time at MLB. He's hit well in AAA, and has had no time in MLB to prove himself. He's supposedly a good defender as well.

Alderson is a top 25 prospect and a top 10 pitching prospect in MLB. The only pitching prospects (who actually had prospect status coming into the season) I'd put above Alderson are Price, Feliz, Porcello, and MAYBE Hanson.

Burriss is a non-entity IMO.

Although on the whole Ishikawa + J.Sanchez for F.Sanchez + LaRoche front, I think the Giants would have to kick in a 3rd non-elite prospect (not Alderson/Bumgarner/Villalona/Posey)

Ishikawa is an elite defender at 1B, and that with a 98 wOBA+. But then, Alvarez will probably have to move to 1B, so I wouldn't do that trade.

I almost feel like a Pittsburgh Pirates spokesman sometimes, but I guess im just one of a select few that see the differences in how this management is succeeding whereas the past management was a joke.

This is not a conventional Pirates salary dump. No Bobby Hill for Aramis Ramirez deals happening on NH's watch.

I want everyone in this thread for just a minute get a view of our big picture.

Step 1, forget about 2009, and dump anything of value, preferably at peak value to rebuild depleated farm.

Step 2, Draft People worth drafting for a change. Rather than saving money by drafting garbage below slot.

Step 3, Be aggressive in general about buying high end talent on the low.

Step 4, 2010's season is not important either, however it will most likely yeild .500 baseball for the first time in 18 yrs. Sell the remainder of the non cornerstone players for more high end talent.

Now on to 2011...and this is what we have to start looking forward too.

Here are some of the options we will have for that season.

C-Tony Sanchez/Robinzon Diaz
1B-Pedro Alvarez
2B-?? Shelby Ford(stop gap)
3B-Andy LaRoche
SS-?? Chase D'Arnaud(stop gap)
LF-Lastings Milledge
CF-Andrew McCutchen
RF-Jose Tabata

P-Brad Lincoln
P-Malhom (last yr of contract)
P-Charlie Morten
P-Ross Ohlendorf
P-Tom Gorzelanny

Possibly even Bryan Morris or Danny Moskos

Bullpen could be anything by that time.

This 2011 Pirates team, if all players continue to progress at a even minimal rates should be quite competitive.

The David Littlefield Era had 15% of this talent inside his organization due to consistantly making poor baseball decisions in favor of solidifying earning high profits for the team.

NH and FC do NOT operate this way. I for one SEE the difference in how this club is being run. And It excites me.

However, we cannot give away top end positional talent like Freddy Sanchez with a deal guaranteeing him 8 mill next year with 600 AB's (He was selected to the allstar game).

This is why it is critical to bring back defensively solid middle infielders at a minimum in these trades for the remainder of the year.

More young arms are always nice to have...possibly even making Malholm trade bait to the highest bidder. But Neil would need to see outlandish offers to deal Paul.

So once again, this is NOT a salary dump...this is nearly executing the plan.

Fill up the missing pieces for 2011.

Im gonna say a word that gets me so excited I can hardly imagine it...Playoffs.

It might not happen that year, but in this era, I WILL see playoff baseball in this city, thanks to a FO willing to make the unpopular decisions to fix things the RIGHT way.

Done ranting now.

"If the Giants make that trade, I will laugh pretty hard. LaRoche and Sanchez are decent players, but they're also paid that way, so giving up an elite talent like Alderson for the right to pay those guys is ludicrous."

Right. Sanchez is a 3 time All Star, this year he has a .316 average, 28 extra base hits, and an OPS of .832, while playing above average defense.

I really don't know what your definition of a good player is then, if Sanchez is only decent.

Adam LaRoche, however is a decent player. But he has an OPS of .824 this season. That's not too bad. And your team lacks power, which LaRoche will add.

As for Alderson, I've heard different things about him. He's going to be a good pitcher, I'll bet that. But I don't think he's going to be superstar like you think he'll be. Here's what Kevin Goldstein had to say about Alderson: "One pitcher with numbers that are impossible to argue with is Giants righty Tim Alderson. After leading the California League in ERA during his full-season debut last year, the 20-year-old has a 2.36 ERA in his first nine Eastern League starts for Double-A Connecticut. Scouts still find it difficult to warm up to Alderson, however. “It’s not an insult at all, he’s a for-sure, big-league starting pitcher for me,” said one scout who saw him recently, “but it’s strictly back of the rotation for me,” he added, while explaining that Alderson’s backwards style of pitching is not one that is usually conducive to major league success. “That plus breaking ball is his calling card, and he’s a guy with plus-plus control and average command, but he can’t pitch off his fringy fastball, and you don’t really see many changeups out of him."".

The Pirates need high end players in their system, and you're underrating those two players. And the only way to get talent is to give up talent. With the Giants surplus of pitching, they can deal some of that to get some offense. Sanchez and LaRoche would definitely provide offense to that team.

Besides if you think about it, you really wouldn't be giving up much. Frandsen and Burriss are nothing too great. Frandsen can play SS, and for the Pirates they need a SS with Wilson probably getting traded. Buriss would add some speed to the lineup, which the Pirates also need. And he could provide a little pop to the lineup. The Pirates need pitching. Alderson would provide that. The Giants would still have two premium pitching prospects in Bumgarner and Wheeler. Plus a lesser one in Sosa.

Obviously, I don't think the Giants will trade Alderson for those two. That's just who I hope the Pirates target if they were to trade with San Fran.

"I would have to assume that he is insisting on Nick Noonan being in the deal.

If I were NH Id ask for:

Noonan
Burriss
J. Sanchez
Sosa
Frandsen

Posted by: Dempsey | July 05, 2009 at 02:45 PM"

OK instead of Bond replace him with Noonan
good deal?

I really like Noonan but you gotta give up to get something

Although I find it asinine that people think Jonathan Sanchez is doomed to the pen. He's a decent option in a #4-5 spot. It's just that the team's got Barry Zito locked in. Wheeler is a while away, so Sanchez will play a major role next year.

The Giants have less pitching depth than they look. Johnson retires next year, and Zito's decline might force him out of the rotation. Sanchez is a good bit better pitcher peripherally than Zito.

@ melonis rex

"I'd put above Alderson are Price, Feliz, Porcello, and MAYBE Hanson."

Not Bumgarner?

@ scribbletone

"How about the fact that he posted a .271/.298/.371 line last season as well as a -1.8 UZR/150."

That's great and all but that was last year dude. Try to keep up. Sanchez was hurt last season. This year he's healthy and he's shown what he can do.

"He's making $6.1M this season and another $8M next season, assuming his option vests."

According to Fangraphs, Sanchez is worth 11M. So you'd be getting your money's worth for Sanchez.

"While he's not overpaid, you just don't give up elite prospects to pay an above average second baseman his market value for one season."

I guess no one believes in extensions anymore.

I think Freddy would be a great fit in SF, but if you are the buccos I think you need to find a team that actually has a chance to advance in the playoffs to really get top notch prospects for him. SF is far from being a legit contender, while they have a great staff they aren't even close with that lineup. Then again maybe the bucs should be happy getting rid of almost 20 mil and getting younger. I would keep Freddy until I was blown away by an offer...I think Laroche for Sanchez works for both teams but I think that we need Alderson in the deal to trade Freddy. NH will do the right thing he knows what he's doing.

""I'd put above Alderson are Price, Feliz, Porcello, and MAYBE Hanson."

Not Bumgarner?"

Yeah, I'd put Bumgarner above Alderson. Alderson is in elite company though, with guys like Anderson, Cahill, Mazarro, Bowden, Tillman, Matsuz, Arietta, Holland, etc.

"I guess no one believes in extensions anymore."

Yeah, but you don't factor in extensions when looking at trade value. When the Tigers gave up Maybin/Miller/et al for Miggy and Dontrelle, it was for one year of Miggy and one year of Dontrelle, not the 8 years of Miguel Cabrera the Tigers extended him for and the (sucky) years of Dontrelle.

"...the concept of pitching depth is generally a myth, as attrition will usually sort out everything in the end."

Exactly. 2009 A's is a GREAT example. Outman and Gallagher and Duchscherer went down with injuries. Now all that's left in AAA is Simmons, who isn't MLB ready, and Eveland, who isn't that good. Gallagher should be back soon though. Gio and Mazarro were forced into the rotation by injuries/bad performance. And in all honesty, Cahill belongs in AAA.

Okay ... look.
We are fans and we dream big for our team.

Pirate's fans are not getting Alderson, Baumgartner, or anyone of the Giant's top prospects.
The Giants have the 5th best record in baseball. And it is not a fluke.

Giant's fans, we are not getting Freddie for a schmuck.

What do the Giant's want/need.
They have a hole at 2B, and they can use an upgrade for "consistent" offense without degrading defense.

What do the Pirate's want/need. They need people who deserve a shot at starting and proving their worth ( i.e. Lastings Milledge ).
They just do not need an outfielder.

So Giants could definitely use Freddie, and are not uninterested in LaRue.
Both who would be upgrades, consistent and both who deserve a shot at being in a playoff chase.
Though Ishi is good enough they could do with just Freddie.

What they have that the Pirates can use start around OUR Sanchez who probably would have had a better year if he was NOT in a pennant chase.
Remember the Giants expected to be better, not one of the favorites for the Wild card at this point.
And Sanchez did awesome in April.
Then he got bombed and felt like he let the team down.

Frandsen got hurt last year and lost his chance to start and show he deserves it.

Those are the two key ingredients to begin with.

That isn't enough for the two that Pirates give up. So you look at the list and see who else is ready or deserves a shot this year or next.

Noonan is too far away. Burris is sort of ready, he had flashes.
Sosa is nasty, but he is blocked. And pretty soon Alderson and Baumbaby are going to zoom past him.

So to me it would look like
Sanchez - Frandsen - Burris - Sosa fit the Pirates needs best.
Though I could see Pirates asking for a ready or near ready reliever to maybe trade the big mouth closer who said he is untouchable cause no one is available to replace him.

In all honesty Villalona (I appologize if I misspelled that) is the most apealing prospect to me.

If I was NH I would offer to eat the majority of the rest of both salaries and try to get some elite talent not "major league ready" just plain elite like Villalona or Alderson.

Example:

Giants get: LaRoche, Sanchez (Pirates eat all but maybe 1 mil on each contract.) and maybe kick in a prospect or two of their own not named Tabata, Alvarez, Lincoln, or Hernandez.

Pirates get Villalona/Alderson, Buriss, Sanchez and maybe a reliever.

All good points chrome. It's nice when fans are sensible and don't think all their players are the next coming. It's Sanchez and LaRoche, not LaRue. I really don't care if they make anymore trades this year. If they can't get pieces that are useful, then it will be viewed as nothing more than a salary dump. I think out of the four that are being considered to be traded (LaRoche, Sanchez, Wilson, and Grabow), the only two certain to be traded are LaRoche and Grabow. Both would accept arbitration if offered and I don't think Huntington wants to take that chance. LaRoche had his chance to sign an extension and that train left the station. I could see a deal involving LaRoche and Grabow for say something like Sanchez, Burris and another mid level pitching prospect, preferably another lefty.