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The idea of trading center fielder Carlos Beltran will not be entertained by the Mets, according to a source of WEEI's Alex Speier. Beltran's knee injury limited him to 357 plate appearances this year, but that doesn't serve as motivation for the Mets to subtract an important piece for 2010. Beltran has a full no-trade clause, also.
Beltran, a Scott Boras client, signed a seven-year, $119MM deal in January of 2005. FanGraphs suggests he's already been worth $95.5MM in his five Mets seasons, with $76MM of that value coming in 2006-08.
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i didnt understand why they would entertain it in the first place. the minute someone gets injured doesnt mean you should try to move him
Posted by: 04Forever | October 26, 2009 at 12:42 PM
Good, this is what I like to hear.
Posted by: JoseJoseJoseeee | October 26, 2009 at 12:46 PM
It's the Mets. It's what they do.
I wonder what kind of a deal Beltran could expect to get as a free agent in two years.
Posted by: BomberMan26 | October 26, 2009 at 12:47 PM
2yr 30 mil
Posted by: Chris | October 26, 2009 at 12:58 PM
what's funny is that he's been worth his contract. A lot of Mets players have played to contract expectations. As a team, though, they just haven't put it together. Very interesting.
Posted by: BomberMan26 | October 26, 2009 at 01:00 PM
"i didnt understand why they would entertain it in the first place. the minute someone gets injured doesnt mean you should try to move him"
they never did. that was just wishful thinking from some tool that writes for the BH .
Posted by: Baseball Nut | October 26, 2009 at 01:06 PM
he is the best all-around player on the mets, no need to trade him.
Posted by: metsfan08 | October 26, 2009 at 01:14 PM
Wait, so he's not getting traded to Boston for Kotchman and Bowden?!!!
I don't believe it.
This much be a smokescreen by the Mets to try to get Boston to throw Varitek and Nick Green into the package.
Posted by: Dicky LaRue | October 26, 2009 at 01:18 PM
In related news: A spokesman for the Association for Porcine Advancement denies reports of local pigs applying to flight schools and contacting genetic research facilities regarding wing evolution.
Posted by: Mule | October 26, 2009 at 01:36 PM
It actually makes a bit of sense to entertain the idea of trading him. He does have some value, and with his knee injury, all bets are off. He could bounce back and have a great year, or he could get injured again.
Depending on how he performs next season as well as how the mets are doing, it might not be such a bad idea to trade him and start rebuilding that farm system that Steve Phillips and Omar Minaya completely destroyed.
Posted by: BKuGotIt | October 26, 2009 at 01:43 PM
(S) J.Reyes (SS)
(S) O.Hudson (2B)
(S) C.Beltran (CF)
(R) D.Wright (3B)
(R) J.Francoeur (RF)
(L) D.Murphy (1B)
(S) A.Pagan (LF)
(L) J.Thole (C)
--Pitcher--
There really should be no reason to entertain the thought of trading Beltran. Simply keep building around him, Reyes & Wright. The team I've laid out above is not perfect but I think it can more than suffice.
Posted by: Gleb | October 26, 2009 at 02:04 PM
Beltran for VicMart?
Posted by: nymets86 | October 26, 2009 at 02:05 PM
BKuGoit
Phillips got us Wright and Reyes. Omar got us Pelfrey, Parnell, Niese, and Fmart. And doesn't include the EIGHT prospects he traded for Santana and Putz. Try thinking before you type.
Posted by: Omarfan | October 26, 2009 at 02:07 PM
"Beltran for VicMart?"
If the Red Sox were willing to take on the entire salary difference between the two players, about $11M for 2010 and $18.5M for 2011, then the Mets might consider that kind of offer, but otherwise, it doesn't make much sense.
Beltran is a significantly better than Martinez, and the Mets can't really afford to subtract one of the 10-15 best players in the game, when healthy, without adding some huge talent in return.
Martinez is certainly a very good player, but he's not remotely on the level of Beltran, so unless the Red Sox were also offering some substantial financial relief, I don't see how the Mets even consider such an offer.
"(S) J.Reyes (SS)
(S) O.Hudson (2B)
(S) C.Beltran (CF)
(R) D.Wright (3B)
(R) J.Francoeur (RF)
(L) D.Murphy (1B)
(S) A.Pagan (LF)
(L) J.Thole (C)
--Pitcher--"
The Mets' biggest issue in 2009 was depth. What appears to be the biggest issue with the lineup you've posted here: depth.
You have three stars and an above-average regular in the 1-4 spots in the lineup, but after that, the pitcher essentially gets to rest, pitching to Francoeur, Murphy, Pagan, Thole and the pitcher, five hitters with major holes in their games, and realistically, the Mets just can't realstically expect to contend for the division with that lineup and an underwhelming rotation.
Posted by: scribbletone | October 26, 2009 at 02:18 PM
BKuGoit
Phillips got us Wright and Reyes. Omar got us Pelfrey, Parnell, Niese, and Fmart. And doesn't include the EIGHT prospects he traded for Santana and Putz. Try thinking before you type.
Posted by: Omarfan | October 26, 2009 at 02:07 PM
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Omarfan
Phillips traded away Jason Bay, basically set in motion the Scott Kazmir trade (though he actually didn't pull the trigger because he was fired before). Phillips also attempted to trade David Wright and Jose Reyes on a couple of occasions but to his credit, the Gm on the otherside was more dumb.
Minaya has made it pretty clear that he values a players status as being Latin American over a players status as being good. I'll give him credit for the Santana trade. Parnell's minor league numbers are pretty average and it's too early to tell how Neise is going to turn out. I'll give you Fernando Martinez but I won't give you Pelfrey considering he's still young and has proven that he's unpredictable. The guy has very low strikeout numbers, and I don't think he projects to be that good of a pitcher. Plus did you not watch the Mets 2009 season? I think it was pretty obvious that their farm system had issues when all of their major players went down.
Posted by: BKuGotIt | October 26, 2009 at 02:38 PM
The Mets need to land a big FA like Bay and the above suggested lineup becomes formidable.Of course provided Reyes is 100%.
Posted by: ToBe | October 26, 2009 at 02:40 PM
Carlos Betran was worth every penny, despite his sub par season in 2005 and his injury shorten season in 2009. In 2006/2007/2008 he avgeraged over 30+ homers and over 100RBI'S and 3 gold gloves. He is the best CF in baseball when healthy, which he should be in 2010. some writer suggested that the Mets should sign Cameron and put him in CF and Beltran in LF!!Why? Some suggest trading Beltran, which doesn't make sense at all. First of all, he has a no-trade clause and secondly; he is coming off an injury plague season, which would lower his value. Keep Beltran in CF, Bring Back Francouer for RF, see if Crawford is available (either trade or FA) and leave pagan as your 4th OFer. Go with Murphy at 1st for one more season with a RH bat to platoon with him (perhaps Nady or Garko). This will give Ike Davis a full season at AAA and ready in 2011. Go get a solid catcher such as Barjaras (Toronto) for 2 years until either Thole or Pena are ready. Last but not least, offer lackey a 4 year/$68mil contract ($17 mil per year) with a 5th year option at $17mil and sign either Sheets/Penny/Bedard/Harden (if fully healthy) to a 1 year deal with incentives and an club option for a 2nd year. bring back maine and offer Perez to the Cubs for Bradley and then find a third team (that has interest in Bradley) and trade Bradley to them for either bullpen help or a contract they want to get rid off. Same thing with Castillo, find a team that has a similiar problem (contract)with a player and go out and get Hudson.
Reyes/Crawford/Betran/Wright/Francouer/Murphy or Nady/Garko/Barajas/Hudson
Santana/Lackey/Pelfrey/Sheets or Penny or Bedard or Harden/Maine
Start Niese at AAA to develop and recover from his injury and let him get his innings in. Also keep Misch and Nieve at AAA ready for spot starts in case of injuries.
Posted by: captain crunch | October 26, 2009 at 02:41 PM
Glad reported beltran is not available, he is a many pronged sword. 37M over 2 years (too much) injured and a Boras client. Give them JD Drew if the Mets want to swap, they both are equals...
Posted by: johns | October 26, 2009 at 02:59 PM
Gleb that lineup isn't nearly enough to compete. First base and the outfield corners are dangerous at best, and horrible at worst.
Other than playing a few weeks of good baseball in '08, why do we expect Murphy to have the bat to start at first for a contender? Similarly, we just saw what is probably the best we'll get from Pagan. A slight downturn would make him too light a bat for a starting corner. Franceour showed all the same poor plate discipline with the Mets; he will revert to being a drain. That's without mentioning the potential for Thole to struggle in extended play.
It's not building around a strong core unless you actually build around that core. The Mets need to be more like the Phillies, finding the Werths of the world to complement their superstars.
Posted by: aap212 | October 26, 2009 at 03:02 PM
Wait wait wait, lets blow the Mets away with a package of Lowrie, Kottaras, and Delcarmen!!!1!!
Posted by: Deanezag | October 26, 2009 at 03:39 PM
tim,
pleeeeeaaaaase stop quoting fangraph's ridiculous valuations
all they do is pull somebody else's money out of thin air, blow em up in ballons and let them flaot away
they are as steeped in reality as wall street's valuations were for the past decade or two
Posted by: crash | October 26, 2009 at 04:00 PM
Just because you are too stupid to understand the idea of WAR doesn't mean the rest of the world is as stupid as you and we should just disregard the stat. Go read some MEtsblog type garbage is you don't want stats and you want to hear about things that cannot be quantified, like hustle, grit, and team chemistry.
And really, the Mets, who want to compete next year, aren't going to trade one of their best two baseball players? Why?
Posted by: nrmax88 | October 26, 2009 at 04:19 PM
"Depending on how he performs next season as well as how the mets are doing, it might not be such a bad idea to trade him and start rebuilding that farm system that Steve Phillips and Omar Minaya completely destroyed."
Yeah, nevermind the idea that the Mets system is climbing the ranks very quickly, and should be in the top 10 by the middle of 2010. Who cares about facts right? They don't support the stupid theory you have so just ignore them?
Posted by: nrmax88 | October 26, 2009 at 04:21 PM
"Glad reported beltran is not available, he is a many pronged sword. 37M over 2 years (too much) injured and a Boras client. Give them JD Drew if the Mets want to swap, they both are equals...."
For real...... shuuuuuuuuuuuuuut up. I respect you as a poster, but give me a damn break. You have crappy Jacoby Ellsbury in CF, and you don't want to take Beltran? Seriously. give me a break. The Red Sox would be massively upgrading their team in every way by adding Beltran. What is it with your Boras infatuation, seriously?
Posted by: nrmax88 | October 26, 2009 at 04:25 PM
Ok. Maybe crap was too strong a word for Ellsbury, but he still is basically a league average .280/.340/.390 type guy with lousy defense in CF. What does Boras have to do with whether or not you would want Beltran anyway? You aren't signing a new deal with him. You let him play for 2 years and then offer him arb and let him walk. Simple.
Posted by: nrmax88 | October 26, 2009 at 04:30 PM
carlos zambrano milton bradley sam fuld for beltran and castillo
Posted by: cubs | October 26, 2009 at 07:36 PM
WHAT DO YOU THINK???
Posted by: cubs | October 26, 2009 at 07:37 PM
altogether now:
WAR. what is it good for?
Posted by: crash | October 26, 2009 at 07:41 PM
this idea came from another red sox biased writer trying to create a dream team.
maybe the sox should trade kotchman papelbon varitek lowell kottares anderson and bowden for beltran and reyes. then sign matt holliday over jason bay. trade all their other amazing prospects for felix hernandez and adrian gonzales
2010 boston red sox
C-martinez
1B-gonzales
2B-pedroia
3B-youkilis
SS-reyes
OF-ellsbury
OF-beltran
OF-holliday
DH-ortiz
beckett
hernandez
lester
bucholz
wakefield
Posted by: Timmy B | October 26, 2009 at 08:01 PM
What do I think? I think why are the Mets trading their best player (or one of two) for two guys rumored to be salary dumps? Beltran isn't a bad contract, so why swap him for 2 bad contracts? Is Luis Castillo 2/12 deal even considered a bad deal anymore? Maybe it is more then you would prefer to have him for, but he certainly earned his money this season. It is no longer the "mess" people considered it to be last year, though it is still by no means a good contract, it is tolerable.
Posted by: nrmax88 | October 27, 2009 at 01:34 AM
Crappy Jacoby Ellsbury, thats funny. Remember the Teixeira and Boston negotiations, that Boras played Boston for a fool. Varitek and Boras stupid contract demands. Boston has not forgotten this.
Posted by: Cyyoung | October 27, 2009 at 09:54 AM
Ok. Maybe crap was too strong a word for Ellsbury, but he still is basically a league average .280/.340/.390 type guy with lousy defense in CF.
Posted by: nrmax88 | October 26, 2009 at 04:30 PM
WOW!!! really?? lousy D huh..well Ill take Ells and his 2 errors in 2 1/2 years in MLB and his rising obp..oh yeah and MLB leader in SB...I suppose FG said he was lousy with his defense so It MUST be true(note the sarcasm)...I watched all 162 games and Ells is one of the TOP CF in MLB right now and only getting better at age 25...and thats not being a homer...
Posted by: chowdah | October 27, 2009 at 09:10 PM
This is great news! Trading Beltran is a stupid idea on every level. Unless, of course, Omar is blown away by a GM who is confident Beltran is fully recovered and makes an offer including a top flight 1st baseman.
Posted by: Paulio, Male Gigalo | October 28, 2009 at 04:13 PM
"(S) J.Reyes (SS)
(S) O.Hudson (2B)
(S) C.Beltran (CF)
(R) D.Wright (3B)
(R) J.Francoeur (RF)
(L) D.Murphy (1B)
(S) A.Pagan (LF)
(L) J.Thole (C)
--Pitcher--
There really should be no reason to entertain the thought of trading Beltran. Simply keep building around him, Reyes & Wright. The team I've laid out above is not perfect but I think it can more than suffice.
Posted by: Gleb | October 26, 2009 at 02:04 PM "
My God! Enough with Orlando Hudson already. He's way overrated, primarily by last offseason's Mets fans. I'll admit I wanted to sign him last year, but I got over it after his mediocre season this year. I agree that Castillo is a good sell-high candidate this offseason, but I don't think Hudson is the right replacement.
Other than Hudson, this is practically the exact impotent lineup we had at the end of this season. We need a MASSIVE power upgrade.
Posted by: Paulio, Male Gigalo | October 28, 2009 at 04:21 PM
Sorry, I neglected that we didn't have Reyes most of the season. Still, it's not enough.
Posted by: Paulio, Male Gigalo | October 28, 2009 at 04:23 PM