Odds & Ends: Dodgers, Halladay, Yankees

Alright, I'm gonna have to say it sometime in the next few hours so I'll say it right away for the benefit for anyone who believes it... Daniel Murphy is neither an ace prospect or even a good player, he compiled one of the worst OPS stats among major league first basemen this year. Him and a few B prospects or even him and one or 2 A prospects would never land Halladay.

Thank you, I feel better. And now for our regularly scheduled programming.

^ No kidding.

wow, santana and halladay in the same rotation?

make it happen Omar!!!!!!

Yes it was Niese I think. Thanks stellar.

it was fmart,niese,parnell and tejeda

the extention would be tricky. id say 4 yrs 70 mil would be around the #

unfortunately, Johan is God, it isn't that simple. And it's spelled "were."

Yea, Cashman should be credited for bringing the "right" players in. Ofcourse Sabathia and Tiexiara would be the "right players" for any team in baseball.

Only way the Mets should even consider Halladay is if they get a similar deal with the Jays as they got wiht the Twins, a window to allow them to sign Halladay to a big deal.

But if they don't, then it makes no sense.

mets fan, thats a great team right there, specially if pelfrey and delgado have come back seasons.

"I agree too that the Dodgers are in the position they are because of Colletti.....but that's not a good thing.

They limped into the playoffs."

As did every other nl division winner...

"CC was practically begging an NL California team to step up and offer him a deal. Giving $20M a year to CC would have been light years smarter than giving Manny his deal.

Ethier and Kemp both showed star power last year. You didn't 'need' Manny like they needed a guy like CC."

Yes, as CC's deal will look just great in a few years. And he just has an amazing postseason history, unlike Manny...

"Dodgers are likely to be knocked out in the first round because they wasted much of their winter on guys like Casey Blake (too many years, though did have a decent year) and Manny Ramirez."

Ok, so they are going to lose in the playoffs because of two above average players they have? Makes sense.

SWP..i agree with you. I dunno why Met fans are so high on Murphy. I wont say he sucks..but he's OVERRATED by to many Mets fans and it sickens me.

I don't wanna hear it was hard for him, because he had to move from lf to 1B..if he cant handle that move he shouldnt be playing baseball.

Reading comprehension is tough i see cheba....

CC would have signed for a whole lot less to go to the Dodgers. He's got a freakin out clause after 3 years because he did NOT want to go to NY.

Colletti blew this winter, plain and simple. No one was gonna give Manny what the Dodgers did. Dodgers didn't need him. They played very well when he was suspended.

I will give Colletti credit for Wolf. I'd be sending a bottle of scotch to the Astros for nixing that deal or the Dodgers would be watching baseball from the stands this October.

Alright so Cashman didn't break his back signing CC, AJ & Tex. However, the trade for Swisher was a complete steal for the Yankees and he has loosened up the whole clubhouse not to mention his HR and RBI numbers aren't to shabby and he has picked up his fielding skills lately. They signed Pettitte pretty cheap and have gotten their moneys worth with him and I'm sure he has also made little moves.

Yeah, Murphy isn't the prospect Mets fans make him out to be. He did rake at the end of the season, and it wouldn't hurt to include him in a deal for Halladay. I don't see Omar pulling the trigger on it though; it just doesn't seem like the right thing to do. Maybe they could go after Big Z and not lose as much.

I agree too that the Dodgers are in the position they are because of Colletti.....but that's not a good thing.

They limped into the playoffs.

CC was practically begging an NL California team to step up and offer him a deal. Giving $20M a year to CC would have been light years smarter than giving Manny his deal.

Ethier and Kemp both showed star power last year. You didn't 'need' Manny like they needed a guy like CC.

Dodgers are likely to be knocked out in the first round because they wasted much of their winter on guys like Casey Blake (too many years, though did have a decent year) and Manny Ramirez.

It's gonna haunt them. And giving up Carlos Santana for Casey Blake is gonna drive Dodger fans for a long, LONG time."

Ok, no. i'll go your point by point...

The Dodgers are where they are because of Logan White's drafting. Nothing more, really. Who picked the whole core? White? Who GAVE Colletti the prospects to trade for guys like Blake(I'll get to that later), Manny, Sherrill, Belliard, Garland, etc. Without Logan White, our OF is Repko, Pierre, and Jones. Real strong. Our C is someone like Zaun, our 1B is a crap FA like Lorretta, our 2B is probably a guy like L. Castillo, our 3B is still LaRoche(if Colletti had been able to still draft him), and our SS is Furcal. You see how crappy the team would be? Every single spot I named was either homegrown or guys from prospects White drafted. You see how f-uped our team would be?

They limped into the playoffs because they had like 3 off days in the last 50 games, Blake was hurt and Lorretta or Castro had to start 10 straight games....

And giving 20M to any pitcher for 7 years is not smart. We dont need Sabathia. We had the best team ERA, 2nd best ERA for starters, and the best bullpen ERA. We let Wolf pitch to his potential, Kershaw grew, Billz was great until the end, and we did that without Kuroda... How do we need CC?

We didnt know what to expect from Kemp or Ethier. We needed to give that to Manny. Yes, he got suspended. yes, he has played to above average MLB player, but not Manny standards. But who do you want in LF? Pierre? Oh GOD NO. Pierre had a great 50 games, and has hit about 170 since. Yea, i want him starting everyday. In the playoffs, would you rather have Pierre or Manny in a pressure spot? And dont talk about the contract. ITS THE CONTRACT WE OFFERED ORIGINALLY. Except, we got it even better, with the defferment. Oh, and we dont pay Manny for the suspension.

Casey signed on Dec 9, at the WM. How did we waste our winter? we got an above average 3b, and arguably a top 10 3B in the league. And who plays 3B? Crede? or some prospect? I guarrentee that neither could give the production that Blake did.

And we didnt really waste time on Manny. We gave him an offer. He turned it down, and we just let him sit at home for a few months. Then, he became bored and realized he needed a contract. he came back and signed the contract WE wanted. We won, accept it.

And i do agree with the Blake trade, that will hurt for a long time...

Overall, and i've said this many times, the only reason I wouldnt want him is if we lose Ng and White. If we lose them for Colletti, then Colletti will never be able to show his face in LA...

CC would have signed for a whole lot less to go to the Dodgers. He's got a freakin out clause after 3 years because he did NOT want to go to NY.
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Actually, it was Cashman who offered the opt out clause to eliviate any concers CC had about his wife and kids acclamating themselves to NY.

"Sabathia appreciated the clause because it satisfied concerns he had about living in New York and the impact it might have on his wife and three children".

Halladay and Santana in the same rotation, and the Mets would probably still find a way to miss the World Series...

I agree too that the Dodgers are in the position they are because of Colletti.....but that's not a good thing.

They limped into the playoffs.

CC was practically begging an NL California team to step up and offer him a deal. Giving $20M a year to CC would have been light years smarter than giving Manny his deal.

Ethier and Kemp both showed star power last year. You didn't 'need' Manny like they needed a guy like CC.

Dodgers are likely to be knocked out in the first round because they wasted much of their winter on guys like Casey Blake (too many years, though did have a decent year) and Manny Ramirez.

It's gonna haunt them. And giving up Carlos Santana for Casey Blake is gonna drive Dodger fans for a long, LONG time.

Posted by: Hermie13 | October 06, 2009 at 09:10 PM

You are not a smart person. Sorry if that is rude, but it is the truth.

The Dodgers had the best all-around 1-5 rotation in baseball all year, and that includes using scrubs like Milton, Stults, Schmidt, and Padilla. What in the hell would another great starting pitcher had done for the Dodgers? Sure, CC would have been the ace of the rotation, and better than Wolf/Kuroda/Kershaw/Bills, but the problem since Manny has been back (and you just don't follow the Dodgers if you don't realize this) has been a good lack of offense.

Signing Manny was the right thing to do, though I wish it would have been a 1 year deal so we could go after Holliday or Bay this off-season.

"95 wins, most in the NL by at least 2, played in the 2nd toughest division in baseball, and is still somehow the worst team in the NL in the playoffs? God I hate the National media."

While it is unrealistic to claim the Dodgers limped into the playoffs it's also unrealistic to look at the Dodgers record without wondering why they only clinched the division with 2 days left in the season. If you look at every playoff team's record after the all star break you'd see the Dodgers were the worst of the 8 with a winning percentage of .534. I think that inconsistency will hurt them especially since they have to win 3 games against 2 guys who will probably be voted #1 and #2 for Cy Young. Then again I said the same thing about the 2006 Cards.

There's always a few players on a popular team that get WAY overhyped. It used to Felix Pie, then Hughes and Kennedy, now it's David Murphy. Why do Mets fans act like every team should want him? He's a 1B who hits for a low batting average with no power, and can play a lousy outfield as well. Where do I sign up?

"Pie has finally emerged this season, his .266/.326/.437 line is solid for a guy who's a plus defensively in center field, especially in the AL East, and he's got more upside from here."
Posted by: scribbletone | October 07, 2009 at 10:35 AM

I'm sorry, I am unaware, but are the outfields in the AL East larger than other divisions? Is that what makes that matter or...?

And I would knock Joe Torre's teeth in right now, if I could. Belliard over Hudson? Padilla over Billingsley? What's next, Pierre over Kemp? (paints cubicle walls red with blood)

"they have to win 3 games against 2 guys who will probably be voted #1 and #2 for Cy Young."

You mean who will be voted #2 and #3. Carp and Wain have been awesome, but Lincecum deserves it again IMO.

pretty sure this whole doc to the mets talk is a pretty moot point...

people don't realize the jays have a nice young core of SP's a pretty good bullpen and there lineup isn't too shabby...there getting marcum back career ERA around 4 and mcgowan back who posted a 4.37 and a 4.08 era his last 2 seasons...romero posted a 4.30 ERA in his rookie season this year...and rzepczynski posted a 3.67 era

they also have some decent backup starting pitchers to backup those 5. Tallet will be heading back to the pen where he posted a 2.88 era in 08...

this team is going to give it another go next year and WHY NOT they have a very good young core and with doc leading the way they could very well compete...people don't realize how small that window of opportunity is...

the only way i see the jays trading doc is for a premium young hitter...sandoval, kemp, ethier, wright, etc

if he goes for a package of prospects and thats a BIG IF it will be at the july 31st trade deadline

"Yankees GM Brian Cashman deserves credit for the moves he has made, writes Marc Carig of The Star-Ledger."

So beyond outbidding everyone else for top players, taking on salary dumps, and not giving up prematurely on prospects, what were Cashman's brilliant moves?

I was talking about his overall performance, posting those numbers in that division is more impressive than if he had done it in the NL Central. The AL is the substantially harder league, in case you weren't aware.
Posted by: scribbletone | October 07, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Pamprin, homie... works wonders for my chick when she's on the rag... And yes, I do know the difference between the leagues, just didn't understand what your point was.

I don,t think the mets can get Halladay but, I also thought that about Santana so it is possible

but when they not get Halladay I am almost certain they get Lackey

Sarting Pitching:
Johan Santana
John Lackey/Roy Halladay
John Maine
Mike Pelfrey
John Niese or get someone like Marquis.

I also think that they will get Holliday and maybe Orlando Hudson
and hopefully some one like Adam LaRoche or get Delgado for a extra year

Jose Reyes
Luis Castillio/Orlando Hudson
Carlos Beltran
Matt Holliday
Adam LaRoche/Carlos Delgado
David Wright
Jeff Francoeur
Omir Santos/Josh Thole