Dodgers Javier Vazquez Rumor Shot Down

Please don't trade pierre for castillo

I'm sure he can get a piece that works for castillo maybe in the bullpen?

"However, his no-trade clause specifically allows him to block trades to AL and NL West clubs. Plus, do the Dodgers have the trade chips the Braves crave? "

Yes he does. He's not going to waive it either.

Do they have the chips we want? Sure we want Kemp or Either but we aren't going to get them for one year of Vazquez. So no, they don't have the trade chips we want.

Jim Bowden must just be trying out Twitter with some fake rumors to see how it works.

ThinkBlue - Hes not an improvement, hes a downgrade, especially at his price ($12M over 2 more years). There are so many other 2B on the market - Hudson (why do the Dodgers hate him?), Polanco, etc.

I can ONLY see the Dodgers acquiring Castillo if the Mets took back Pierre, which would be a disaster for the Mets..

They could always take Derrek Lowe back ?! No, prob not, well ok, I just had to say it before a Met's fan chimes in with an idea about trading some garbage for Vazquez.

But I'm sure the Braves would love to get their hands on either Ethan Martin or Gordon.

BaseBallz, Braves are in win now mode. Need a bat. I don't see them looking at prospects.

The reason its a bad deal for the mets is because they are trying to gain money from castillo and they need hr power badly. Last in homeruns isn't good.

I agree with what's already been said: Unless the Braves were to get Kemp or Ethier in return, I don't see why the Braves would talk to the Dodgers. And the Dodgers would have to be nuts to give up either of those guys right now.

If its just a salary dump for the Mets wouldn't they just take some prospect to clear space to sign Hudson.

the only way the Braves give up Vaz is if it's in a bigger scenario:

Vaz and Schafer

for

Kemp and Sherrill

The Braves get that RH Bat they crave and a Relief Pitcher, the Dodgers get that Ace they desire and a possible replacement for Kemp in Schafer who is built for Dodger stadium (Doubles hitter and awesome defender).

However, it's not gonna happen 'cause Vaz LOVES Atlanta and won't wave his NTC.

I agree with most of you, it wouldn't make sense for the Mets to trade Castillo for Pierre. They put up similar numbers last year (Castillo walked more, Pierre ran more), but of course Pierre plays a more traditional power position.

For you Dodgers fans out there, is a Castillo for DeWitt trade over the top? I know he is young, but his stock seems to have dropped a lot and they really haven't given him at-bats when he's been with the big league club.

Maybe the Royals and Dodgers wouldn't mind adding Juan Pierre and Jose Guillen to the possible AJ Ellis/Alberto Callespo deal.

Dodgers get:

Jose Guillen
Alberto Callaspo
Kyle Farnsworth
cash

Royals get:

AJ Ellis
Juan Pierre
Chin-lung Hu/Triple A Reliever

The Royals get rid of two bad contracts and trade Callaspo while getting an infielder of the future. Pierre would be a great table setter, no walks aside, and should provide pretty descent defense for the remainder of his contract.

if this trade did actually happen it makes u wonder if the mets are gonna bring back delgado and then go after lackey. even though mets ownership and omar have both publicly said they really want a left fielder with some pop

BabyJesus,

That is the only way I see the Mets making the deal. It would not have to be a super-star player, just someone with a little potential. If the Mets did move Castillo without taking on dumb money like Pierre's. That would add 6 Mil to the 40 they should already have to spend and line them up to make even larger splashes. PLUS I think Hudson would cost 6 Mil or less so we'd get slightly better without really spending more.

The flip side of that is WHY would LA trade for Castillo when they could sign O-Hud for the same money?

plus, as another poster said, the Dodgers would be NUTS to give up Kemp after the year he had.

but pitching does win and Vaz could put them over that hump if they go out and can sign Holliday.

Posted by: apoxonbothyourhouses | November 13, 2009 at 09:49 AM

Put us over the top? We would have three left fielders in the outfield. Unquestionably the worst outfield defense in baseball if we replaced Kemp with Holliday. But it's a moot point, Dodgers wouldn't trade Kemp for Vaz and Scafer or anyone on that team, really.

When Bowden says that the Dodgers were discussing Vazquez with the Braves. It probably went like this. Hey ATL, this is the Dodgers. Will Javy accept a trade to us? No, okay. Just for fun, what would it take for Javy? Kemp, Ethier, Loney, Sherrill? YOU WANT TWO OF THOSE FOUR GUYS!!! Click, followed by dead silence.

i completely agree phlavio, but for some reason the mets think moving castillo will solve every problem. he has a bad contract but did have a much better yr than expected. mets have bigger holes to fill than second base for now.

haha

holliday is a horrid defender? really? he did choke in the playoffs, but IIRC he's a pretty ok defensive player.

and kemp's not a cf now, anyway.

If its just a salary dump for the Mets wouldn't they just take some prospect to clear space to sign Hudson.
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Castillo has negative trade value. The only thing you'd get is minor league roster filler for him. And the Mets would still have to kick money in towards the contract.

With Vaz to the Dodgers... sure it's unlikely to happen with the NTC that Javy has, and the return would not be Kemp or Ethier, but it could be James Loney. Braves need a 1b that could hit 5th behind McCann or 3rd in front of Chip and McCann. He's under team control for three more years... he's probably the best return the Braves could hope for for a year of Vazquez.

Kinda rehashing what some others have already said, to many obstacles for Javy to LA to make sense. Not only the no trade clause, but also the fact it makes no sense on teh dodgers part for them to give up Kemp or Either, even if they were to extend Javy. And before anyone suggests we get loney to feel our first base slot, sorry, but he just does not have the power we need.

He not negative trade value.
He's not good but average 2b.
That means half of the teams in the league would upgrade or fill a spot.

People on this site really think that Vazquez would cost somebody like Ethier or Kemp? You're all kidding, right?

Luis Castillo? Seriously? That's pretty comical. (And thank God this is just a silly rumor.) Seriously, I can think of at least five better available options than this stiff.

And Vaz to L.A. is a pipe-dream in every possible way. He already turned down a trade to the Dodgers a few years back, and he does have that no-trade clause to West teams for a reason. And Braves fans' wishful-thinking of Kemp or Ethier is pretty comical. It ain't happening... ever, specially for one year of Vaz.

However, I can see the Braves moving Vaz since they have six starters at this point.

and kemp's not a cf now, anyway.

Posted by: apoxonbothyourhouses |

Seriously? Wow, he just won a gold glove at CF. What a moron.

Not even that Clueless. The guy was top 3 in defense on fangraphs and all of those sites, tied for second in outfield assists when nobody would run on him.... that apoxonbothyourhouses guy sucks!

dodgrdog88: that is the point everyone is making, nobody has said that the trade is realistic even if Vaz didn't have the NTC. But those are the types of players the Braves are looking for: impact bats.

You people DO realize that NOWHERE has it been said that the Mets are interested in Juan Pierre, and that was entirely speculation by Heyman, and now Tim, right?

My guess is if a Castillo to the Dodgers trade was to be made, it would involve the Mets paying 4 million or so of his remaining 12 million contract, and maybe getting someone like Blake Dewitt, who clearly has fallen out of favor there in LA, in return.

dodgrdog88, They are being mentioned because we Braves fans are allowed to dream...

And again, because those are the type of bats the Braves would want. Of course, matching up with a team for that type of bat is difficult, and Kemp and Ethier are obviously not fits. Nobody else on the Dodgers makes sense in that they aren't what the Braves are looking for.

Rule #1 in trades: Teams do not normally trade players in positions that would be difficult to fill with anyone of equal caliber. Kemp and Etheir are perfect examples of players who will not be traded for that reason alone.

No way Vazquez nets the Braves anyone close to Either or Kemp. Vazquez had a great year but say hello to Mr. Inconsistent. You guys are overvaluing him big time. Here are a couple of trades I posted on another thread. Please tell me if I'm off base.

***Javier Vazquez to Minnesota for Michael Cuddyer?

Thought: Twins need a legit FOR pitcher and Vazquez has a team friendly contract (1/$11.5 mil). Cuddyer is a legit power hitter who can bat in the middle of the order and his contract is also team friendly (1/8.5 and a '11 option for $10.5 mil or $1 mil buyout).

***Three team trade....

Roy Oswalt (2/33) to the Dodgers, Juan Pierre (2/18) and $5 mil cash to the Braves, JJ Hoover, Christopher Withrow, Dee Gordon and Brian DeWitt to the Astros.

I haven't posted in this thread yet but for all the Dodger fans that are laughing saying those guys aren't getting traded or saying why pipe dream if it aint happening...etc

I think the point is (atleast most Braves fans) have said that you guys aren't going to trade those guys, so they don't see a deal with the Dodgers happening (even if Vaz did wave his NTC).

So before jumping on everyone, either take time to read or reply directly to the 1-2 idiots that think they would trade them.

Most replies about Kemp and Either have been like this one,

"Do they have the chips we want? Sure we want Kemp or Either but we aren't going to get them for one year of Vazquez. So no, they don't have the trade chips we want.

Jim Bowden must just be trying out Twitter with some fake rumors to see how it works."

I think most fans understand that you aren't trading them (specially not for 1 year of Vaz). Problem is they also don't see anything else that the Dodgers might trade that would make sense for there team.

Either way Vazquez to the Dodgers is slim to none...

YanksFanSince78:

Would love to have Cuddyer, but would the Twins trade another OFer?

I don't really know about that 3 way trade.

Juan Pierre to the Braves? That makes me smile. So do the Dodgers just send away all these players for Roy Oswalt, get nothing in return from the Braves? Or are you implying the Dodgers would also get Vazquez? That's the worst trade ever. We can throw that up there for the next version of Trades of the decade!

I'm sorry, I could only hold off for so long. Since when is Vazquez considered an ace? He's a career 4.19 era guy who in 12 seasons has posted 1 season with a sub 3 era and only 5 seasons with a sub 4 era. If we are using these qualifications to determine an ace, why wouldn't we resign Wolf. He's 1 more good season from reaching Vazquez "Ace" status

DirtyJohnston:
You may be right, ace may be debatable. However, I would say that his ERA was much higher in the Chicago White Sox bandbox of a park in a toxic environment with the management. He still has put up 200 innings and 200 strikeouts every year for the past 10 years. That's pretty valuable no matter how you look at it, and in a better environment and park, he has seemed to thrive. I agree, his being a definite ace is debatable, but he is a pretty solid pitcher/workhorse either way.

Juan Pierre to the Braves? That makes me smile. So do the Dodgers just send away all these players for Roy Oswalt, get nothing in return from the Braves? Or are you implying the Dodgers would also get Vazquez? That's the worst trade ever. We can throw that up there for the next version of Trades of the decade!

Posted by: bravesbacker11 | November 13, 2009 at 11:26 AM
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Umm...basically it boils down to:

Juan Piere and cash for JJ Hoover

Roy Oswalt for Withrow, Gordon and DeWitt to the Astros.

Paulio:

Lincecum (no question), Carpenter (?), Wainwright (?), Felix Hernandez...

Typical Philthy fan propaganda. I don't know why people undervalue Luis Castillo so much. I mean, I get it to a degee. I don't think he's extremely valuable. But to say that a 33 year old (not that old) who is a perennial .300 hitter, a consistent OBP guy has negative value and is only worth B prospects.....well, it's just dumb. He has had one (1,uno,un,ein) bad season essentially, and his defense is not nearly as bad as people are saying. So stop drinking last season's coolaid and use some real critical thinking skills.

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Wrong. He was so bad that the Mets actually considered signing Hudson last year in lieu of already having Castillo on the books. Open your eyes and read what's being written, the only way this guy gets moved is in a bad contract swap. He's not even worth B prospects ( you think he's worth A.. lol). Yeah he's got decent OBP (which is a function of his hitting) but he's got ZERO power. He's posted a lower slg% than obp the last THREE seasons. And his defense is every bit as bad as people are saying (-9.3, -12.0 the last two seasons). Just wondering, did you do any research before you accused me of not having critical thinking skills (as if you've shown any), or was it just you drinking the koolaid?

Castillo isn't as bad as he's being represented here though. Freddy Sanchez signed a similar contract to what's left on Castillo's deal. If that's the rate for Freddy Sanchez, I don't see how Castillo is grossly overpaid?

How about Juan Pierre and 18 mil, for a Silver Slugger, Brian McCann baseball card. Other than that, I would say no since Atlanta needs a RH power bat. This LA trade is not gonna happen.

lol

notice i said NOW. you honestly think that the Dodgers are going to let their golden boy run around in Chavez ravine and leg all those miles of trotting when he could meander his Bison self in Left?

if you do, YOU suck. Think Andruw Jones part 2. in 3 years you wont be able to trade Kemp for a bag of balls if you let him stay in CF.

Castillo isn't as bad as he's being represented here though. Freddy Sanchez signed a similar contract to what's left on Castillo's deal. If that's the rate for Freddy Sanchez, I don't see how Castillo is grossly overpaid?

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Sanchez is still better than Castillo though. He's 2 years younger too. See for yourself-

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=513&position=2B

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1624&position=2B

Aside from 2008 where he battled injury throughout the entire season, the case is pretty clear for him being a "better" player than Castillo. His defense is also worlds better and I'd imagine he's still faster than Luis is. Anyone who thinks Luis Castillo is anything more than a 1-1.5 WAR player these days is fooling themselves. And a contract like that, at the time it was signed and even now should warrant a little more than ~5 WAR over a four year span.

and btw, I bet Castillo could hit plenty of homers in CBP. hahaha

You also wrote how the Mets want to "dump" Castillo. that was last offseason. Also, all the "bad contract swap" rumors were last offseason and don't make sense this offseason.

I also already conceded that he's not a great player, but a good player. And no, he's not worth an A prospect. I never made that claim.

Why would the Dodgers want Luis Castillo? I guess they didn't get to see him at yankees stadium like I did.

Yeah Vazquez doesn't like the West Coast, the best coast..

Hey Braves fans..

You want Kemp? We want Heyward! Sounds crazy right?

Oh and YFS78.. That deal is too much for us right, our farm system is getting good again. I hope we keep it that way.

But I did like the thought process on that trade, I like it because you take your time and try to make sense of things.

vazquez didnt want to be a dodger in 2004.We dont need anyone who doesnt want to be here.....

"People think that pitching is our main problem. Could we use an ace? Yes. But our 'horrible staff of only #2s, #3s, #4s, and #5s' lead the MLB in ERA, ERA+, BAA, etc.

Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | November 13, 2009 at 04:20 PM"

Second in FIP I believe as well.

3400Kobe, right as if being a Dodger is such a big deal. I belive it is 21 years and counting since the Dodgers really mattered.

A team that employs the indifferent, classless scumbag Manny is a team that is unworthy.

Why would the Mets even consider trading Castillo??? He has a friendly contract. He's coming off a greast year, dropping a game losing popup aside. These maremthe types of players the Mets need to keep, possible contract extension, to challenge the Phillies...