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By Ben Nicholson-Smith [November 15, 2009 at 6:23pm CST]
The Nationals are considering a number of options up the middle. Here's the latest:
- MLB.com's Bill Ladson expects the Nationals to try trading Cristian Guzman this offseason. It won't be easy, given his $8MM salary.
- Manager Jim Riggleman likes Ian Desmond, but others within the organization believe the infielder needs more minor league seasoning.
- Could Ronnie Belliard return to play second base? Ladson doubts it.
- Jamey Carroll doesn't seem likely to return to Washington, either. At least nine teams have interest in the 35-year-old.
- The Nats are considering a couple defensive shortstops, too.
- Since 2007, no fielder has cost his team more runs than Adam Dunn, according to Matthew Carruth of FanGraphs. Dunn will make $12MM in 2010 before becoming a free agent. It's hard to imagine him signing with an NL club again after next season.
Any chance they go after Hudson?
How much money can/will they spend this offseason?
Posted by: northsider2613 | November 15, 2009 at 06:32 PM
If I'm the Nats I move Guzman to 2nd and get a good defensive shortstop like Adam Everitt.
Posted by: supersteve1492 | November 15, 2009 at 07:04 PM
Besides nothing is going to stop the Mets from getting the O-DOG not Luis Castillo and definitely not the Nats.
Posted by: supersteve1492 | November 15, 2009 at 07:05 PM
It was hard to imagine him signing with an NL club this time.
The Nats should be trading this guy to an AL team in need of a DH. Otherwise his value will continue to be compromised.
Posted by: bjsguess | November 15, 2009 at 07:09 PM
Can you imagine what Dunn could net the Nats at the deadline. I guarentee he will be leading all "available" players in HR next July.
Posted by: r35barker | November 15, 2009 at 07:15 PM
I don't believe Dunn cost his team 40 runs. He plays bad defense, but you'd really have to try hard to be that bad.
They had a rotation full of middle school batting practice pitchers all year, I find it a little hard to believe the pitching would have been much better with a different fielder than Dunn.
Posted by: bigpat | November 15, 2009 at 07:25 PM
I find it VERY easy to believe that Adam "one tool" Dunn cost his teams a LOT of Runs every year on defense. Look at the stats.
Every year he was among the league leaders in Erros in LF. Errors were on balls that he either touched or were hit right at him. Where the extra Runs comes from is the balls that were hit his way and that he COULD have gone after and caught. But, instead of doing that, he would circle around them and wait for them to hit the ground and bounce. Then he would catch them and throw a lollipop back to teh infield. Sometimes when he did that the runner would take an extra base.
These extra Hits and bases forced the Reds pitchers to throw more pitches. These extra At Bats gave the opposing team more chances to score Runs.
SO, having DUnn in LF was bad for the pitchers but having King Griffey Jr in RF compounded these problems.
Posted by: ctownboy | November 15, 2009 at 07:39 PM
I'd take christian Guzman for 8 mil, the guy is a great fielder and hits .280, Should give up gamel for him and move him to 3rd!
Posted by: brewsers | November 15, 2009 at 07:41 PM
Is it just me or would Dunn's LHP work well in Seatle's stadium as a DH. He would really improve that lineup and allow them to keep their elite D team together while adding O.
Posted by: bbxxj | November 15, 2009 at 07:45 PM
*By LHP I mean LH power
Posted by: bbxxj | November 15, 2009 at 07:48 PM
I'd take christian Guzman for 8 mil, the guy is a great fielder and hits .280, Should give up gamel for him and move him to 3rd!
Posted by: brewsers | November 15, 2009 at 07:41 PM"
Yeah I am sure the Nats would do it too..
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | November 15, 2009 at 07:48 PM
I'd take christian Guzman for 8 mil, the guy is a great fielder and hits .280, Should give up gamel for him and move him to 3rd!
Posted by: brewsers | November 15, 2009 at 07:41 PM
Hey may hit .280, but he doesn't walk at all (very low OBS) and has little power. Fangraphs says he was worth $4.2MM in 2009 and that sounds about right. Certainly not worth 8 mil.
Posted by: Prismo | November 15, 2009 at 07:49 PM
"If I'm the Nats I move Guzman to 2nd"
I believe they have said that is their plan.
"and get a good defensive shortstop like Adam Everitt"
If you're old enough, think Ed Brinkman.
Posted by: jwb | November 15, 2009 at 07:52 PM
fyi - Guzman is NOT worth 8m. he may hit .280, but his OBP is .285.
Its painful to watch his AB's.
Posted by: Nats1924 | November 15, 2009 at 07:58 PM
As a Reds fan I had to watch this guy for years. I fully believe that he cost his team tons of runs. This guy is really bad in the field.
Posted by: Ethanator99 | November 15, 2009 at 08:03 PM
bigpat,
Here is an example of how Dunn's BAD Defense can cost a team 40 Runs a year.
In 2008, Johnny Cueto was pitching at Wrigley Field. The Reds were down 2 - 1. There were two Outs and a man on Third. Fukudome hit a ball to the wall that Dunn had plenty of time to get back on and catch. But he DIDN'T.
The man on Third scored and Fukudome was on Second with a Double. Derek Lee Singled to Left and Fukudome scored. Cueto was lifted from the game.
David Weathers came in and gave up a Double to Aramis Ramirez which plated D. Lee. Weathers finally got the Third Out with no more Runs scoring.
So, if Dunn had caught the ball that Fukudome hit (which the instant replays CLEARLY showed he could have if he had HUSTLED back to the wall and which even George Grande had to admit he SHOULD have caught) then the Inning would have been over, the score would have stayed 2 -1 and Cueto could have come out for the eighth.
That non play by Dunn cost the Reds three Runs right there and increased Cueto's ERA unnecessarily.
Posted by: ctownboy | November 15, 2009 at 08:03 PM
I dont think nay1 in the history of baseball has ever said Adam Dunn is a good fielder, but his bat is worth what he gives up in the field, but if he were a DH he'd be great.
Posted by: brewsers | November 15, 2009 at 09:18 PM
yankees should trade for dunn. just think how many homers he would have its scary to even think about it
Posted by: patrick | November 15, 2009 at 09:43 PM
For everybody who is railing on Dunn's horrid defense I have to agree with you. But so do the Nats. That is why they moved him to 1B after they traded Nick Johnson. I'm not saying Dunn will start winning gold gloves at 1B, but he played there for basically the last 2 months of the season and there wasn't much of a drop off from Johnson, who is considered a good defensive first baseman.
The Nats plan to go into spring training with Dunn as the first baseman, and he will only improve as he learns a the finer points of playing the position.
Mike Rizzo has said that one of his primary goals this off season is to lock up Dunn to a long-term contract, and it would be for him to play first base not left field. So the argument that the Nats need to trade him because of his bad defense in left doesn't really hold a lot of water.
Posted by: SpashCity | November 15, 2009 at 10:34 PM
lol adam dunn=dave kingman
compare the stats there probaly the only 2 players who hit .220-.230 and consistently get 40 homers while doing it
Posted by: theguy9 | November 15, 2009 at 10:37 PM
Adam Dunn career OPS = .903
Dave Kingman career OPS = .780
'nuff said
Posted by: SpashCity | November 15, 2009 at 10:42 PM
cool buddy but i was comparing there home run and batting average totals not there ops
congrats on finding 1 stat thats diffrent
Posted by: theguy9 | November 15, 2009 at 10:51 PM
so because their BAs and HR totals are similar, even though Dunn hit .267 last year, that means they are "equal"?
As if BA and HR are the only factors that matter when determining a players worth.
Also Kingman averaged 51 walks per season, while Dunn averages 115. There are several stats that prove Dunn is the superior offensive player.
Posted by: SpashCity | November 15, 2009 at 10:56 PM
Nick Johnson, First Base 2009 - 12 Errors in 1128 Total Chances or one Error every 94 Chances.
Adam Dunn, First Base 2009 - eight Erros in 576 Total Chances or one Error every 72 Chances. At that rate, if he had as many Total Chances as what Johnson had it equals about 18 Errors.
18 Errors for a guy who jsut basically has to stand in one spot and wait for another infielder to throw the ball to him.
After the 2005 season, the Reds planned to move Dunn to First so as to put Wily Mo Pena in Left Field. That was because the Reds wanted to get Pena's bat in the line up.
When the 2006 Spring Training rolled around, Dunn was at First Base and he was HORRIBLE. THe Reds gave up on the experiment REAL quick and traded Pena for Bronson Arroyo and moved DUnn back to LF.
After that, Dunn publicly said he did not LIKE to play First Base and did not WANT to play First Base. Three years of HORRIBLE defense later, Dunn is FORCED to move from LF to First Base.
Knowing him, he will be bad at First Base in 2010
and teh Nationals will have to either trade him to an AL team or let him become a Free Agent and he will land in the AL as a DH for the 2011 season.
Of course THAT wont work out well either because, before the 2009 season, Dunn publicly said he did NOT want to be a DH and that was because he wanted to play the field.
Posted by: ctownboy | November 16, 2009 at 12:40 AM
For those who keep saying Dunn is a better player than Kingman because he draws Walks, I say NO and THAT is because of the different eras they played in.
Back in the 1970's, middle of teh order hitters were supposed to SWING THE BAT AND DRIVE IN RUNS. They were PAID to do this.
Back then, when there were runners on base or in scoring position, middle of teh order hitters were supposed to SWING at most everything so as to try and drive in Runs. THAT was because Home Runs were NOT as easy to hit as they are today.
Also, Kingman played his home games in Candle stick Park, where the wind was crazy and Home Runs were really hard to hit. So, ANY Run scoring opportunity HAD to be taken advantage of and THAT meant swinging at marginal pitches.
Finally, if the batters hitting behind Kingman were better at driving in Runs then 1) he might have Walked more and 2) THEY would be batting in the middle of the order and he would be batting lower.
So, Kingman Struck Out a lot, hit Home Runs, didn't Walk very much and had a .236 career Batting Average.
Fast forward to today where the ball parks are smaller and Home Runs are EASIER to hit.
Dunn hits his 40 Home Runs a year and Walks over 100 times BUT, he STRUGGLES to get more than 100 RBI's and struggles to score 90 Runs. This in a time where the guys hitting behind him are more powerful and ahve a better chance at driving in Rums than in Kingman's time.
So Dunn, the guy whose fans say can hit a ball out of any part of any ball park, DOESN'T do it because he will NOT swing at pitches over the outer third of the plate. He takes those pitches in hopes of getting a meat pitch he can pull for a Home Run.
Because of this approach, Dunn Strikes out a lot, Walks a lot, hits his Home Runs and has a career Batting Average of .250.
If Dunn were to take the Ryan Howard approach at the plate, that is, to expect pitches over the outer part of the plate when runners are on base and to swing at them, then he, too, would have 120+ RBI's every year.
Yes, Dunn wouldn't Walk as much BUT his RBI total would be higher and the onus of Run producing would NOT be put on hitters batting behind him lower in the order.
Posted by: ctownboy | November 16, 2009 at 01:10 AM
Oh yeah, for his career, Kingman had 442 Hoem Runs and 1210 RBI. That equals 2.74 RBI per Home Run.
For his career, Dunn has 316 Home Runs and 777 RBIs. That equals 2.45 RBI per Home Run. So, maybe if Dunn swung at more pitches over the outer third of the plate and hit the ball to the opposite field, instead of taking them and waiting for a belt high Fast Ball over the middle of the plate, he would have more Hits and more RBIs.
Finally, if you look at the career Home Run list, Dunn has the FEWEST RBI's for anyone who has hit 300 or more Home Runs. The next guy on the lsit is Troy Glaus with 304 Home Runs and 879 RBIs.
The next guy in RBI's who is closest to Dunn in Home Runs is Alfonso Soriano. Soriano has 290 Home Runs and 760 RBIs. The sad thing is, Soriano has spent MOST of his career as a lead off hitter while Dunn has spent most of his career as a middle of the order hitter.
Posted by: ctownboy | November 16, 2009 at 01:27 AM
Jamey Carroll must have been playin for 2 teams last year on the Cleveland Indians off days Carroll must have flown to Washington and played for them on those off days.
This needs corrected Jamey Carroll has never played for Washington he played for the Cleveland Indians in 2009.
Posted by: baseballnuts | November 16, 2009 at 06:19 AM
Carroll was drafted by the Expos, and was still with them when they became the Nationals in 2005.
Posted by: GrandSlamSingle | November 16, 2009 at 08:05 AM