Cashman Meeting With Cliff Lee In Arkansas

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Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

I don’t understand why Jeter needs to be so greedy, has he been making minimum all this time?

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

Say what? Greedy? Who said anything about being greedy. No money is even on the table yet. Who knows he may hit the Yanks first bid of 3 for $45mm, so until we some dollar figures, I don’t want to hear anything more about what or what not the most influential player of the last two decades deserves.

4 years 9 months ago

Are you kidding, anybody playing for the yankee$ is in it for the money.

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah, because playing for the Angels or Met’s is about playing for free concessions and stuff of that nature. Dur dude, money is pouring throughout the sport not just the Yanks.

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah and I take my “like” back. I hit that in error.

woadude
4 years 9 months ago

You cant take back your like, it was a gift

4 years 9 months ago

I hate the Yankees, and I hate the way they spend money, but this is just foolish…i never blame the players for taking the most money offered to them. i would.

i do blame the players that expect more than they are worth, however. an offer from the team is different than a request from a player.

yg49
4 years 9 months ago

I can totally understand why you would hate they way they spend money, I would much rather see the already rich owners get richer than giving the money to the guys that actually go out and play the game. Horrible..just horrible what they do.

4 years 9 months ago

actually i’d rather have them lose all of the corporate sponsorships and overpriced seating that it takes to make up for all the money spent on salary.

i don’t want to know the “BMW road to victory” or some crap…

4 years 9 months ago

Yeah and the fact they are a World Series contender every year has nothing to do with it right LOL!

4 years 9 months ago

Or the rings.
-wtk

4 years 9 months ago

Or the rings.
-wtk

Devern Hansack
4 years 9 months ago

Trying to maximize your pay =/= greedy. It would be greed if he hoarded all his money. Him wanting to make as much money as possible is intelligent on his part.

4 years 9 months ago

No he is coming off a 10 yrs 189 million contract. Pretty good if you ask me.

4 years 9 months ago

No he is coming off a 10 yrs 189 million contract. Pretty good if you ask me.

andrewyf
4 years 9 months ago

Please accept arbitration Jeter. Please please please.

Slopeboy
4 years 9 months ago

Don’t get your hopes too high. That’s just the Yankees crossing their T”s and dotting the i’s.They will offer an overpayment at arbitration just the same as if he did indeed declare FA. If Jeter makes an outrageous bid, he loses. He won’t accept arbitration and the Yankess will settle with him without the process at big money.Gold Glove or not.

4 years 9 months ago

Interesting scenario… do you think the Yankees would offer Jeter a contract next year if he went to arbitration this year and got a big settlement?

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

Maybe John Henry and Theo should pay Lee a visit, which would result in the Yanks signing Lee quicker…You know that magical touch they have..:)

JiminyMsFan
4 years 9 months ago

How the Yankees Lost Cliff Lee

** The Yankee crew at an early morning breakfast meeting with Cliff Lee:

Cashman (to waitress): What are these “grits” here on the menu?

Waitress: Waaalll, grits is… grits!

Cashman: All right. I’ll try one.

Cliff Lee: Walks out.

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

continued…

Cliff Lee: Walks out.

Only to be approached by Theo Epstein and the pink hat crew.

Cliff Lee: walks back in..

Cashman: Cliff what’s up?

Cliff Lee: No self respecting hillbilly would be caught dead wearing a pink hat…where do I sign.

Macfan1
4 years 9 months ago

“No self respecting hillbilly would be caught dead wearing a pink hat…where do I sign.”

++++++++++++++++++++

ROFL

Shooter98
4 years 9 months ago

Would make sense. I think the Yankees can and will sign him.

They can’t beat him so have to pay players so they won’t lose. They did it with Burnett, Randy Johnson and Sabathia.

I guess when you don’t have enough pride as a team to win on your own, why not just take out anyone who beats you.

Vmmercan
4 years 9 months ago

Actually comparatively they did pretty well against RJ than most teams….Unless you mean 1995 and 2001 in the playoffs….Either way you sound jealous and bitter. And Sabathia, really? You think because of his 5 innings and 3 run performance in a Game 1 blowout a year earlier, the Yankees were so enamored they decided they had to have him? Why didn’t they sign Derek Lowe, Curt Schilling, Pedro Martinez, Brad Penny, John Lackey, Ervin Santana, or Kenny Rogers a second time?

Shooter98
4 years 9 months ago

You are assuming they didn’t try……..aren’t you?

Shooter98
4 years 9 months ago

Oh and I didn’t even include Carl Pavano.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

Yanks like 1 of 2 types of players. Those that have proven they can compete and win in the AL East and players that have prven they can perform under the bright lights of post-season play. That’s the bottom line. CC was little different. He was a young horse that they needed after a long time of not having one.

Shooter98
4 years 9 months ago

Would make sense. I think the Yankees can and will sign him.

They can’t beat him so have to pay players so they won’t lose. They did it with Burnett, Randy Johnson and Sabathia.

I guess when you don’t have enough pride as a team to win on your own, why not just take out anyone who beats you.

Just_MLB
4 years 9 months ago

continued….

Cliff Lee: Hold on Brian, that’s my wife Nancy on the phone….( answers phone)
Yes Dear

Nancy Lee: Cliff, we just landed in NY…remember when u said I should take that trip to NY with the kids to see if I could handle the big city ?

Cliff Lee: Yes dear…how do u like NY so far ?

Brian Cashman: ( sweating profusely )

Nancy Lee: Ok, I just got spit on again for asking for directions…then when i went on the train, this man playing mariachi music on the train asked me for some money so i gave him a 100 dollar bill, but it was really to shut him the fkuc up cuz he sucked…he spit on me and said i was a greedy bitkh….

Cliff Lee: Why are u asking for directions…baby I told u they is animals over there..and i gave u 5,000 dollars to give away to homeless people…why are u being a greedy bitkh

Nancy Lee: Animals don’t spit at me in Arkansas…they just bark and bite…these is what we call white trash……..I’m headed back on the first plane back…if u sign that contract…I’m gonna leave u for Billy Bob Thornton..

Cliff Lee: ( ponders decision )…Brian, can I get back to you next week…me and my wife are going to sit down and discuss this a little further…

Brian: Fine Cliff, just remember we will not wait forever for you to make a decision. We are the Yankees…we don’t wait for anyone..27 rings…u remember that…27 rings
we do have options…

Cliff: o really ? name one with an ERA under 5 ?

Brian: ( pause ) ….we can trade half our farm system for Zach Greinke…

Cliff: o u mean that nutcase who said he hated the smell of NY. u have a better chance of getting my wife to move to the Roosevelt projects in Spanish Harlem….I’ll see u later Brian…i got some phone calls to make

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

i hope you went to all that effort and get no likes.

Just_MLB
4 years 9 months ago

i hope u dont judge urself by how many likes u get on mlbtraderumors…if u do, i suggest u get a new hobby..hopefully one that involves getting some ass-ets

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

i most certainly do not, but i also don’t try to be things i’m not. and you sir, are not funny.

Slopeboy
4 years 9 months ago

Not amusing at all. If you’re going to attempt to write any kind of fiction with real life characters, try getting the names right. Mrs. Lee’s first name is Kristen, Dummy

Just_MLB
4 years 9 months ago

sorry i got the name wrong…
i did no research ok..and who pee-ed in ur cheerios this morning?

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

WOw…I hope Cliff’s other wife Kristen has a better experience in NY than “Kathy” does. Whew……that first home game in the family room is going to be quite awkward.

CLiff Lee did spend much of his career in citys with outdoor plumbing, hwys and buildings bigger than 2 floors. Also, you would be surprised at how $140 mil can help you “tune” out those pesky city slickers. I’m sure the Yanks will throw perks at him as well if needed.

Extra parking spaces for the double wide.
Catering by Outback Steakhouse.
Clubhouse access for his pet pig “Baco”

Ppl need to stop acting as if Cliff Lee and family won’t be able to adapt. They’re not moving to Booklyn or the Bronx. They will live in an ultra exclusive suburb and when they do travel to the city it will be in a limo w/ VIP access. No one will be spitting or harrassing family members of the home team. She won’t be riding the #4 train or going thru the front gate.

Just_MLB
4 years 9 months ago

hmmm…i dont know …NY’s public school system has been known to become a
factor in the past.

Slopeboy
4 years 9 months ago

See?!!… when you take time to do homework you get better results. Good one.

Just_MLB
4 years 9 months ago

( waving my fists in the air in triumph )

Vmmercan
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah cause Cliff Lee’s kids will be going to Public School…Unless I’m missing a joke here…But judging by your Kathy Lee convo, I don’t think it was funny anyway:)

Just_MLB
4 years 9 months ago

Mike Hampton

Vmmercan
4 years 9 months ago

HA! Actually, I lied, I do think that’s funny. Hampton doesn’t get enough love ever since the Zito and Pavano deals.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

I don’t see PS whatever in the future of any of Cliff Lee’s kids unless he simply wants to keep it “real” for them and expose them to “common folk”. My guess is wherever they go will involve a plush campus, uniforms and lots of horseback riding and chello recitals.

Vmmercan
4 years 9 months ago

I would think if Lee is playing for the home team, his wife won’t be spit on by anyone regardless of how she travels…

Just_MLB
4 years 9 months ago

continued….

Cliff Lee: Hold on Brian, that’s my wife Nancy on the phone….( answers phone)
Yes Dear

Nancy Lee: Cliff, we just landed in NY…remember when u said I should take that trip to NY with the kids to see if I could handle the big city ?

Cliff Lee: Yes dear…how do u like NY so far ?

Brian Cashman: ( sweating profusely )

Nancy Lee: Ok, I just got spit on again for asking for directions…then when i went on the train, this man playing mariachi music on the train asked me for some money so i gave him a 100 dollar bill, but it was really to shut him the fkuc up cuz he sucked…he spit on me and said i was a greedy bitkh….

Cliff Lee: Why are u asking for directions…baby I told u they is animals over there..and i gave u 5,000 dollars to give away to homeless people…why are u being a greedy bitkh

Nancy Lee: Animals don’t spit at me in Arkansas…they just bark and bite…these is what we call white trash……..I’m headed back on the first plane back…if u sign that contract…I’m gonna leave u for Billy Bob Thornton..

Cliff Lee: ( ponders decision )…Brian, can I get back to you next week…me and my wife are going to sit down and discuss this a little further…

Brian: Fine Cliff, just remember we will not wait forever for you to make a decision. We are the Yankees…we don’t wait for anyone..27 rings…u remember that…27 rings
we do have options…

Cliff: o really ? name one with an ERA under 5 ?

Brian: ( pause ) ….we can trade half our farm system for Zach Greinke…

Cliff: o u mean that nutcase who said he hated the smell of NY. u have a better chance of getting my wife to move to the Roosevelt projects in Spanish Harlem….I’ll see u later Brian…i got some phone calls to make

gmart68b
4 years 9 months ago

Hahahahaha….. I grew up around Little Rock. I would l.o.v.e. to be there to see Cashman & Co. show up. Talk about cultural disconnect!

4 years 9 months ago

Cashman grew up in Kentucky. He can probably fake a Southern accent. He’s signed guys like Burnett, Clemens, Pettite, and Swisher. I don’t think he’s afraid of Southerners.

Just_MLB
4 years 9 months ago

he signed Swisher ???

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

Haha……ppl are acting as if the Yanks roster is comprisde of ppl born and raised in NY. In addition to those mentioned, Ron Guidry (Lafayette, LA), Willie Randolph and Brett Gardner (Holly Hill, SC), Catfish Hunter (Hertford, NC), Don Mattingly (Evansville, IN) and Mickey Mantle (Spavinaw, OK) are examples of country hicks that have adapted to the big city. I think today’s players are a lot more well repared than when we were literally plucking them off the farm.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

Can you imagine Cashman trading in the Burbury hat, the D&G jean, the Prada shoes and the Clive Christian Cologne for a Stetson, Levi’s, a pair of Lucky Brand’s and English Leather cologne combo? Add in some “chewin’ tobaccy” to cement his hickness. Classic.

Since_77
4 years 9 months ago

Next year Cliff Lee will be making at least 20 million per year from somebody. You won’t be seeing him at the corner drug store. With that type of income he can have his own jet to fly him home after each game weather he is in New York or not.

CitizenSnips
4 years 9 months ago

Special accomplishments meaning stuff he’s done in the past or stuff like 3,000 hits that he’ll get in the future?

Vmmercan
4 years 9 months ago

BTW to answer your question, I think they mean stuff like 3,000 hits.

rockfordone
4 years 9 months ago

Jeter deserves house min. 15m 3yrs – Mo same but for 2yrs. – Lee just playing games will sign with Texas – Crawford to Angels. Yanks need to work on bullpen first. Could see Matt Garza or Edwin Jackson in Yanks rotation. three way trades

Devern Hansack
4 years 9 months ago

As a Red Sox fan, I would love to see Edwin Jackson in the Yankees rotation.

4 years 9 months ago

As a Jays fan, I am not going to miss watching Posada walk out to the mound every two batters. A game with him and Jose Molina catching felt like a slow marathon. I never really understood why he (more than most any other catcher I’ve watched) went out there so often. Maybe it was to give the impression that the ball he couldn’t cleanly glove was the result of a cross-up….?

Luds
4 years 9 months ago

Tough to catch with wearing 5 rings under your glove

4 years 9 months ago

easy to have 5 rings under your glove when you’re surrounded by superstars for your whole career.

jt24
4 years 9 months ago

haters gonna hate

Macfan1
4 years 9 months ago

Well nice to see Jorge Posada being told what the deal is, he needed a reality check.

Jorge is a 40 year old catcher next season, he can’t even catch consistently any longer, constantly getting injured the past couple of seasons and he seems unable to accept reality. He just can’t physically do it over the 162 game season.

You don’t have a guy like Montero not getting his chance when the kid has been an all star at A, AA and AAA

In 4 minor league seasons he has put together a .314 AVG, .371 OBP, .511 SLG, 58 HR and 251 RBI’s.

Its time Jorge get with the program and realize a talent like that is going to get the chance to play.

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

Basically, I am looking at Posada’s salary next season as one big interest payment for 15 years of work. Simple as that. He is a perfect back up catcher/DH and bench player. End o story and no big deal imo.

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

Basically, I am looking at Posada’s salary next season as one big interest payment for 15 years of work. Simple as that. He is a perfect back up catcher/DH and bench player. End o story and no big deal imo.

Macfan1
4 years 9 months ago

Pretty much sums it up.

Hey Bernie Williams left one day, that is the nature of aging.

What I find amazing is Posada seems to think he can still catch when all the evidence points to the fact that he can’t physically hold up any longer.

There is a reason why baseball history isn’t littered with 40 year old starting catchers.

I for one look forward to seeing Montero next season.

It is my sincere hope that this team can be formulated around a younger core of

Teixeira
Montero
Cano
Hughes
Sabathia
Granderson (he played much better in the 2nd half and especially down the stretch, he could be one of those guys that has a better 2nd season than 1st, you see it quite often in baseball)

It is clear that guys like Jeter, Arod, Posada are on the other side of their careers to differing degrees.

Rivera is the only one to still seem to be at that peak level of his game.

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

I agree, Posada does still believe he can catch, but that’s the attitude you get from a winner. Yeah Rivera may have two more solid seasons left in him, but I must admit, in the unlikely event he is injured (upper body), you may see him hang it up sooner than later. I’d like to see him get to 600 saves, which is an entirely possible with 2 more seasons.

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

I agree, Posada does still believe he can catch, but that’s the attitude you get from a winner. Yeah Rivera may have two more solid seasons left in him, but I must admit, in the unlikely event he is injured (upper body), you may see him hang it up sooner than later. I’d like to see him get to 600 saves, which is an entirely possible with 2 more seasons.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

betances? Swisher? Joba? you don’t consider then a young core?

Just_MLB
4 years 9 months ago

lol
ur joking right ?

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

well he listed Hughes and Granderson. . so seems like the players listed should have been on the list as well.

Just_MLB
4 years 9 months ago

Hughes Yes….
Granderson…youth movement ??

i guess by yankee standards, 30 is a spring chicken..

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

its not my list, whine to him not me.

Just_MLB
4 years 9 months ago

u included joba and swisher…hence the reason i asked if u were joking…

swisher is a 30 year old under contract for 1 more year, ( with a team option )

joba is damaged goods…and only has 2 more years before he hits free-agency himself….that would not be a part of anyone’s YOUTH movement or YOUNG CORE…

Vmmercan
4 years 9 months ago

Compared to Johnny Damon, the player he essentially replaced? Throw in Brett Gardner? In 2008 the Yankees had three old outfielders, now they have three in their prime. That’s a youth movement.

Just_MLB
4 years 9 months ago

…ummm…trading jose tabata for xavier nady…+ trading austin jackson for curtis granderson = youth movement ? only in yankee land.

Vmmercan
4 years 9 months ago

Actually, Tabata was for Nady and Marte, and it was at the deadline when many thought the trade put them over the top in the East…They also doubted Tabata’s attitude and off-the-field issues with his girlfriend (or was it wife?). I’m still not convinced he would have done well in NY, but good luck to him in Pittsburgh.

Jackson for Granderson was a deal I wasn’t necessarily in support of, but either way putting Granderson and Gardner in the outfield compared to Damon and Jackson is still a youth movement in my book.

It adds stability and a known quantity in the outfield until at least the end of next season and then we see what the system looks like, the payroll looks like, and trades look like.

You can’t whine about the Yankees being old with three outfielders in their prime, New York will never have all 23 year olds, their goal at a maximum is to have as many guys in their prime at the same time. That’s what wins championships, having extremely young guys like Jackson is what rebuilding teams do, the Yankees can’t afford that luxury.

Anyway, point is go look at their team even two years ago. They’re older at third, short and closer but those are iconic players.

Cano is in his prime, Tex is in his prime, the entire outfield is in its prime, and the rotation, minus Pettitte if he returns, is in its prime.

The future big three (Lee, Sabathia, and Burnett) are on the wrong side of 30, but this won’t be like 2005ish when they had two 40 year olds, these guys are off the books before they turn 38.

And, of course, the bullpen has always been young of late minus Mo.

New York has a frightening amount of potential arms coming through the system and now starting to reach the upper levels…It will be interesting who they trade and who they hold on to, but as far as future “core”, I don’t think it’s something to worry about.

woadude
4 years 9 months ago

The Yankees are going to miss Austin Jackson almost as much as the Red Sox miss Hanley Ramirez.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

betances? Swisher? Joba? you don’t consider then a young core?

Macfan1
4 years 9 months ago

Pretty much sums it up.

Hey Bernie Williams left one day, that is the nature of aging.

What I find amazing is Posada seems to think he can still catch when all the evidence points to the fact that he can’t physically hold up any longer.

There is a reason why baseball history isn’t littered with 40 year old starting catchers.

I for one look forward to seeing Montero next season.

It is my sincere hope that this team can be formulated around a younger core of

Teixeira
Montero
Cano
Hughes
Sabathia
Granderson (he played much better in the 2nd half and especially down the stretch, he could be one of those guys that has a better 2nd season than 1st, you see it quite often in baseball)

It is clear that guys like Jeter, Arod, Posada are on the other side of their careers to differing degrees.

Rivera is the only one to still seem to be at that peak level of his game.

InLeylandWeTrust
4 years 9 months ago

Correct me if I’m wrong but wern’t the Yankees seeing Montero as more of a 1B in the future due to poor defense?

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

I guess we’ll have to wait and see what happens…

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

I guess we’ll have to wait and see what happens…

4 years 9 months ago

That was before the drastic improvement this past year in his defense.

4 years 9 months ago

That was before the drastic improvement this past year in his defense.

Macfan1
4 years 9 months ago

Not until they try him out at catching first and foremost.

Guys like Mike Piazza and Victor Martinez aren’t known for their defensive skills but they more than make up for it with their bat

If this kid can hit the way he is predicted to hit, with raw power to all fields along with the fact that he hits breaking pitches as well, the Yankees will take their chances behind the plate, unless he is just atrocious on defense.

After all Posada was never Johnny Bench or Pudge when it came to defense.

Macfan1
4 years 9 months ago

Not until they try him out at catching first and foremost.

Guys like Mike Piazza and Victor Martinez aren’t known for their defensive skills but they more than make up for it with their bat

If this kid can hit the way he is predicted to hit, with raw power to all fields along with the fact that he hits breaking pitches as well, the Yankees will take their chances behind the plate, unless he is just atrocious on defense.

After all Posada was never Johnny Bench or Pudge when it came to defense.

Slopeboy
4 years 9 months ago

Agree with just about all the above posts concerning Posada, except that he will catch more games than he did this past year. While he has never been a good defensive catcher and this year he was really atrocious, Montero will have to beat him for the job. Keep in mind that Posada still has a lot of juice in terms of respect from the organization, and a tremendous amount of pride, he’ll come in good condition with something to prove and with a chip on his shoulder. This year Posada took a large physical toll on the body, a torn calf muscle, the torn knee ligament , slightly broken toe, and servere concussed symptoms all added to his already deteriorating skills. That’s not an excuse, just a simple fact that contributed to the cliff dropping performance he displayed this year. The fact that he was informed that he will be primarily a DH will light a fire under him to go out on top.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

He’s replacing posada.. the defensive bar won’t be out of reach.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

He’s replacing posada.. the defensive bar won’t be out of reach.

Luds
4 years 9 months ago

Not that Montero will be any better on D but Yanks better bring him up and have a look at his bat. If he can’t do it, Cervy can play.

4 years 9 months ago

I laughed last week when I read on MLBTR that the Yankees wouldnt be interested in Crawford because their outfield for 2011 was set and they were happy with it. All of the Yankees attention would be on Lee the article said. Now, as expected, we are starting to hear otherwise.

The Yankees are like those pathetic people on the TV show Hoarders. They really dont need all the crap they buy but they just cant stop themselves from picking up another new trinket even though they already have a dozen of the same thing at home

Macfan1
4 years 9 months ago

Dude the Yankees are not signing Crawford, they are inquiring just like other teams will do that we will likely never hear of, but because its the Yankees it gets mentioned.

The Yankees have Gardner, Granderson and Swisher and Posada is DH’ing so unless they are trading one of those guys, Crawford is a non starter.

Truth be told the Yankees have bigger fish to fry than Carl Crawford.

Like resign Jeter and Rivera, starting pitching, bullpen and bench.

Crawford is likely going to the Angels or something like that.

Luds
4 years 9 months ago

Of course, it would have been a different story had Gardner hit like in 2008. But he improved drastically. He’s looking like a borderline all star hitting north of.280 and taking that many pitches. On top of the lineup, he could steal 80 bases as well.

He saved his job last year and the Yankees are very happy about it. He’s looking at a bright future.

Macfan1
4 years 9 months ago

Dude the Yankees are not signing Crawford, they are inquiring just like other teams will do that we will likely never hear of, but because its the Yankees it gets mentioned.

The Yankees have Gardner, Granderson and Swisher and Posada is DH’ing so unless they are trading one of those guys, Crawford is a non starter.

Truth be told the Yankees have bigger fish to fry than Carl Crawford.

Like resign Jeter and Rivera, starting pitching, bullpen and bench.

Crawford is likely going to the Angels or something like that.

InLeylandWeTrust
4 years 9 months ago

Crawford will be an Angel

InLeylandWeTrust
4 years 9 months ago

Crawford will be an Angel

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

Dude. I would venture to say that every GM will probably call about Crawford. I would take what Heyman, or any other reporter, might say w/ a grain of salt. I would expect the Red Sox to check in on Cliff Lee but it doesn’t mean they are in on him. Stop being so reactionary.

Vmmercan
4 years 9 months ago

I know, signing Carlos Beltran when he was a FA, or Holliday last year, Or Lackey, or Cameron, or John Buck this year, or likely Crawford, OMG you’re the funniest!

Commenters like you are like Jay Leno, they tell jokes about two or three years out of date.

4 years 9 months ago

Wait Carl Crawford is crap?

4 years 9 months ago

I laughed last week when I read on MLBTR that the Yankees wouldnt be interested in Crawford because their outfield for 2011 was set and they were happy with it. All of the Yankees attention would be on Lee the article said. Now, as expected, we are starting to hear otherwise.

The Yankees are like those pathetic people on the TV show Hoarders. They really dont need all the crap they buy but they just cant stop themselves from picking up another new trinket even though they already have a dozen of the same thing at home

Tko11
4 years 9 months ago

They dont even need Crawford but then again when did the Yankees ever consider “need” its what they “want” that matters.

yg49
4 years 9 months ago

Really? Give me a big name over the last 10 or so years that they have signed that they didn’t “need’. You can make a case for them throwing money around, but its always been for positions they NEED to fill.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

oh you mean like when they brought in a star SS even though they had Derek Jeter?

yg49
4 years 9 months ago

Except the star SS was not brought in to play SS, he was brought in to fill a NEED…besides the fact that they TRADED for him, so in essence, you did not answer the question.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

I was merely just making a joke… but regardless this is a stupid argument

every team tries to get better, every team NEEDS all stars.

yg49
4 years 9 months ago

Except the star SS was not brought in to play SS, he was brought in to fill a NEED…besides the fact that they TRADED for him, so in essence, you did not answer the question.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

oh you mean like when they brought in a star SS even though they had Derek Jeter?

4 years 9 months ago

they didn’t “need” mark texiera when they had swisher to play 1b and Damon, Matsui, Cabrera, and Gardner to play in the outfield.

there are plenty of trades they’ve made that have increased their payroll and increased their talent that they didn’t “need”

that being said, that’s all subjective…any team “needs” the best player at each position. only a few select teams can actually afford that.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

Swisher was hitting .219/.332/.410 when he was acquired. Yanks THOUGHT he would rebound but it was by no means a given. COnsidering that he wasn’t even our starting RF/LF in 2009 says a lot. He was the 4th OF’er losing his job to Nady, Gardner and Damon. Could the Yanks have gotten by w/o Tex? Probably? Should they have sought to improve a position where the incumbent hit .219/.322? Absolutely.

4 years 9 months ago

right – my point exactly. “need” is subjective. most teams are going to set a budget and get the best they can get at that budget. the yankees, thought “this isn’t good enough, let’s spend more money” and ended up with a better team (and a world series ring).

Vmmercan
4 years 9 months ago

Damon and Matsui were in walk years and Melky was a mixed bag…Even if Swisher was the first baseman, the Yankees had 86 million coming off the books, an aging team and no outfielders in the system except Austin Jackson (since Tabata had just been traded), and even he “struck out” too much.

It would have been irresponsible for Cashman NOT to acquire Teixeira under a reasonable contract, which he did.

4 years 9 months ago

again – it’s all relative. this year Damon, Matsui, Cabrera, Jackson, and Nady all started for their teams…every other’s teams treasure is the yankee’s trash, i guess.

Tko11
4 years 9 months ago

They dont even need Crawford but then again when did the Yankees ever consider “need” its what they “want” that matters.

mikeclyne
4 years 9 months ago

Edwin Jackson in the Yankees rotation is TERRIBLE!!!

If no Lee, then go for De La Rosa and Kurdoa

If they go trade route, I’d love for them to look at Josh Johnson. It seems like he is the best pitcher nobody talks about. If not, a couple of other guys out there that I’d like to see in pinstripes could be Billingsly, Sanchez, or Lowe.

CC
Hughes
Andy
De La Rosa
AJ/Kurdoa

Macfan1
4 years 9 months ago

Josh Johnson, to get him the Yankees would have to give a King’s ransom and Florida would have to be willing to deal him, neither of which is a likely case.

Realistically its Lee or some one of the other low level pitchers on the market, if they sign Lee and Andy to return we are looking at

Sabathia
Lee
Pettitte
Hughes
Burnett

if Andy doesn’t return its

Sabathia
Lee
Hughes
Burnett
Nova

mikeclyne
4 years 9 months ago

I forgot about Nova, good call. I liked his stuff from the small sample size I saw. The only issue with him will probably be some sort of inning limit…

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

Nova pitched a combined 187 IP last year. he’s stretched out enough. In fact I think the Yanks overused him some last year. After pitching him 145 IP @ AAA I was a little shocked they pitched him as much as he did and I think his velocity and crispness of his pitched faded by the 4th or 5th IP because of a tired arm. I hope they didn’t damage him. His previous season highs were 139 IP in 2009 and 148 IP in 2008.

Luds
4 years 9 months ago

Mitre could come in the mix for 5th if Andy retires. He’s a few years away from Tommy John surgery and his arm was much better.

mikeclyne
4 years 9 months ago

Mitre is terrible…

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

I can live with either of those scenario’s but I would slide AJ ahead of Hughes.

vtadave
4 years 9 months ago

Yep, because the Dodgers have a bounty of SPs they could deal, right?

mikeclyne
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah…just like they have a ton of money too….right?

vtadave
4 years 9 months ago

Sigh….

Really Mike? The Dodgers are going to pay Ted Lilly $11 million a year, but doing so will cause them to have to deal a guy who will probably get a raise to about $6 million? I know the occasional Yankees fan feels he is entitled to other teams’ players to fill holes, but at least consider why the other team would not deal said player.

mikeclyne
4 years 9 months ago

From everything I have heard, I was amazed the Dodgers even sign Lilly. They keep saying that this divorce with the McCourts is limiting the Dodgers offseason and they are cash strapped. The Dodgers are a mess and I am not entitled as a Yankee fan, just looking for a bargain. Plus a deal of Romie/Montero, Gardner, Brackman/Nova seems like they would not just be giving him away type thing.

vtadave
4 years 9 months ago

Yep, because the Dodgers have a bounty of SPs they could deal, right?

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

De La Rosa is AJ 2.0 waiting to happen. I also find it funny that you put AJ/Kuroda as the #5 as if AJ will be anywhere other than a Yankee next year.

mikeclyne
4 years 9 months ago

Edwin Jackson in the Yankees rotation is TERRIBLE!!!

If no Lee, then go for De La Rosa and Kurdoa

If they go trade route, I’d love for them to look at Josh Johnson. It seems like he is the best pitcher nobody talks about. If not, a couple of other guys out there that I’d like to see in pinstripes could be Billingsly, Sanchez, or Lowe.

CC
Hughes
Andy
De La Rosa
AJ/Kurdoa

4 years 9 months ago

I would love to see Jeter back with the Yanks… Starting a light-hitting SS with no range and no arm would be amazing to play against

rockfordone
4 years 9 months ago

gold glove

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

+ 1

4 years 9 months ago

he didn’t even crack the top-20 in the SS fielding bible voting

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

Dude, seriously, you’re fighting a losing battle on this one..

4 years 9 months ago

The voting doesn’t differentiate the leagues. Each voter is required to rank 10 shortstops. This year, 20 shortstops received at least one point in the voting. Jeter wasn’t one of them

4 years 9 months ago

The voting doesn’t differentiate the leagues. Each voter is required to rank 10 shortstops. This year, 20 shortstops received at least one point in the voting. Jeter wasn’t one of them

4 years 9 months ago

he didn’t even crack the top-20 in the SS fielding bible voting

rockfordone
4 years 9 months ago

gold glove

Sleepykarl
4 years 9 months ago

How many AL teams are running something better out there? He was still 3rd among AL SS in WAR.

4 years 9 months ago

thats because he only has the range to get to a limited number of batted-balls, 6 AL SS’s had more total chances than Jeter. That means 6 SS’s simply have better range.

Sleepykarl
4 years 9 months ago

WAR is an offense+defense stat, not just defense. Also, using total chances to determine defensive abilities is a poor, poor choice. While I see your logic in more chances equals more range, but that would assume all things equal. If one team strikes out more hitters, that’s less opportunities. A SS cannot control how many balls he gets hit his way, so one could have more total chances yet have less range (a plethora of balls hit at one guy vs a scarce amount of balls hit in the hole).

Slopeboy
4 years 9 months ago

Good call. Just one thing that gets overlooked with this imperfect voting process. The Voters are the managers and coaches of each league. I would think they would have a better clue as to what they see compared to just reviewing stats.

Slopeboy
4 years 9 months ago

Good call. Just one thing that gets overlooked with this imperfect voting process. The Voters are the managers and coaches of each league. I would think they would have a better clue as to what they see compared to just reviewing stats.

MB923
4 years 9 months ago

Exactly, same for fly ball pitchers, ala Burnett, Vazquez, Hughes. All I’m sure had pretty bad GB/FB%

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

Yet Cano led all of baseball in TC, PO, Assists and DP but yet was called below avg according to UZR but a top 5 guy by Bill James. COnsidering how many FB pitchers the Yanks had Cano would either be a psychic or lucky to just be in the right place to field a ball.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

That’s debatable. I wrote a piece on the use of UZR among IF and the glaring inconsististencys that I saw. TC and put out % adds a lot more context to fielding than UZR does. No way Tex should be a -2.9 and Adam Dunn a -3.1. Also, When you compare the top 5 SS in Innings (roughly….Pennington, Ramirez, Andrus, Jeter and ????) Jeter had considerably fewer TC (about 150-200) than the other two, although he had the fewest ER as well. Yet, Andrus who is widely considered to be a top SS in terms of range, only had a UZR of about (roughly) 0.1 I think. UZR is very flawed when it applies to IF’ers. Much better when used for OF’ers.

Sleepykarl
4 years 9 months ago

For tc to have any kind of context you have to assume that each player has a very similar amount of gb hit their way in a similar difficulty throughout the year. That’s a ridiculous leap of faith to take to form a solid opinion. For instance, Pennington was in the field for ~100 more PAs where a ball was put in play, keep this in mind because popups and lineouts also attribute to these numbers. 1808 of the batters that came to the plate with Pennington at SS hit groundballs, vs 1708 hitters who hit groundballs with Jeter at SS (A’s had more GBs and the Yankees had more strikeouts). Then there is the fact that since RHB are more likely to hit a groundball to SS, you have to look at the differences there. 3397 RHBs came up with Pennington at SS (62%) vs Jeter having 3086 RHB come to the plate with him at SS (56%). Just generically looking at those numbers without context skews things moreso than the reality.

4 years 9 months ago

thats because he only has the range to get to a limited number of batted-balls, 6 AL SS’s had more total chances than Jeter. That means 6 SS’s simply have better range.

Sleepykarl
4 years 9 months ago

How many AL teams are running something better out there? He was still 3rd among AL SS in WAR.

4 years 9 months ago

I would love to see Jeter back with the Yanks… Starting a light-hitting SS with no range and no arm would be amazing to play against

Shooter98
4 years 9 months ago

Would make sense. I think the Yankees can and will sign him.

They can’t beat him so have to pay players so they won’t lose. They did it with Burnett, Randy Johnson and Sabathia.

I guess when you don’t have enough pride as a team to win on your own, why not just take out anyone who beats you.

4 years 9 months ago

This is perhaps one of the most moronic statements I’ve heard from a yankee hater in quite sometime. Based off your logic, any team who signs a

Shooter98
4 years 9 months ago

Has nothing to do with “hating” the Yanks. What I said was fact.

Do they not go and get the players that beat them?

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

name another instance.

Luds
4 years 9 months ago

Maybe beating them implies that those players did extremely well against them and therefore the Yankees saw how good they can be and wanted that skill on their team?

No, it must be because they can’t “beat” them…

4 years 9 months ago

This is perhaps one of the most moronic statements I’ve heard from a yankee hater in quite sometime. Based off your logic, any team who signs a

4 years 9 months ago

This isn’t little league, its a business…what reality did you live in?

Shooter98
4 years 9 months ago

Would make sense. I think the Yankees can and will sign him.

They can’t beat him so have to pay players so they won’t lose. They did it with Burnett, Randy Johnson and Sabathia.

I guess when you don’t have enough pride as a team to win on your own, why not just take out anyone who beats you.

4 years 9 months ago

Anyone who really believes anywhere in their brain that Cliff Lee is not going to sign with the New York Yankees is either just kidding themselves or a fan of the Texas Rangers and really prays he stays in Texas. The fact is Texas will come with a 5yr 100 million offer and the Yankees will come back with 6yr 130 million and thats when you see on ESPN….BREAKING NEWS…..Cliff Lee and the New York Yankees have just agreed on a 6 yrs 130 million contract off. Cliff Lee is a New York Yankee.

Macfan1
4 years 9 months ago

I think one of the biggest keys, outside of course the MONEY obviously, is the fact that Sabathia is there and Lee is not even going to be needed to be the leading MAN

I would also have mentioned Burnett being from the South and pitching here, but he is such a headcase that he is not worth much as a recruiter.

In that case its the fact that Lee could possibly be surrounded by Sabathia and Pettitte in the rotation, if Andy returns for another season.

As we can tell Lee is a guy that likes to be comfortable and nothing is more comfortable than pitching between two pitchers of that quality.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

What you see as a biggest key outside of money, I potentially see as a downfall,
I mean if I’m cliff, maybe I want to be the head hauncho. The guy clearly kicks it up a notch under pressure. I don’t know if he wants to come somewhere and be a #2, start game 2 of the playoffs etc ..

Now i think Lee is better then CC, but CC has been on the team now, won a world series, theres no chance he doesn’t start the first game of every play off series..

Maybe Cliff wants to be the leader of the pact, like he was in Texas. He seemed to fit in that role nicely, just ask CJ

Luds
4 years 9 months ago

I don’t buy that. He’s pals with CC, wants insane money and wants to win a ring.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

he told you?

CC is his only friend in the world? and NY is the only place to win a ring?

Luds
4 years 9 months ago

Combine all factors with the probability that the Yanks will likely make the highest offer due to their desperation, it’s pretty much a shoe-in. Where else do you have a chance to win every year, get the most money and pitch with a bunch of highly liked and respected veterans including your pal?

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

All I’m saying is that if the Yankees weren’t a contender ( or as much as a guarantee) and if CC wasn’t on the team. Cliff Lee would still go to the yankees..

If texas offers him 7/150 to yankees 5/100, do you think he’s going to say oh well CC’s there, whats 50 million anyways. yaaa no.

He’s going to be a yankee, and he’s going to be a yankee for 1 reason and 1 reason only $$$$

Luds
4 years 9 months ago

Partly agree. Actually, I mainly agree. But there are exceptions. Teixeira would be a National of money was the only thing…

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

Agreed, but Tex isn’t Cliff. Doc signed for a bargain 3 year deal because he just wants a chance at a ring. Its been well documented that Lee doesn’t have that mentality.

I firmly believe that if the nationals or rangers get silly and start getting in to 7 or 8 year talks the yankees will walk away from the table.

Luds
4 years 9 months ago

I’d assume their ceiling is higher than Texas who will likely keep money for Hamilton and Wilson in the next few years. I can’t see anyone going over 7 years.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

like i said, you never know a team might get silly

JiminyMsFan
4 years 9 months ago

“As we can tell Lee is a guy that likes to be comfortable and nothing is more comfortable than pitching between two pitchers of that quality.”

As well as those six or eight runs the Yanks will score for him every game…

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

you never know.. The yankees have been pretty upfront about how badly they want Lee… If i’m Lee’s agent I’m going to try to fleece the Yankees first and foremost, desperation costs dollars.. So perhaps when the yankees come back with a 6/130 Cliff’s rep say, Texas just offered us 7/150… and maybe at a certain point the yankees say screw this.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

you never know.. The yankees have been pretty upfront about how badly they want Lee… If i’m Lee’s agent I’m going to try to fleece the Yankees first and foremost, desperation costs dollars.. So perhaps when the yankees come back with a 6/130 Cliff’s rep say, Texas just offered us 7/150… and maybe at a certain point the yankees say screw this.