Red Sox, Padres Agree On Adrian Gonzalez Trade

11:33am: Hayes tweets that the two sides have had the deal in place since Thursday night, which is what prompted the flight to Boston.

11:23am: Sean McAdam of CSNNE.com reports (via Twitter) that Gonzalez has already taken his physical and his surgically repaired shoulder "should be fine." Some minor tests still need to be completed.

11:13am: MLB.com's Peter Gammons tweets that the player to be named later is not a "prime guy." The two teams determine who exactly it will be later.

10:52am: Morosi tweets that Gonzalez is seeking a Ryan Howard-like contract. Howard signed a five-year contract extension worth $125MM earlier this year.

10:13am: Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweets that the Padres will also receive a player to be named, so it's a 4-for-1 swap. The 40-man roster freeze is in effect until next week's Rule 5 Draft, so it's possible the player is a minor leaguer not on the 40-man that's eligible for the Rule 5.

10:04am: Heyman tweets that there is still work to be done as far as a contract extension for Gonzalez, and that it could take a day or two. Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports confirms with a source that the trade is "not completely done." (Twitter link)

9:14am: Hayes tweets that the package includes Kelly, Rizzo, and Reymond Fuentes. ESPN Boston's Gordon Edes says (via Twitter) that Theo Epstein flew from San Diego to Boston with Gonzalez, and MLB.com's Corey Brock says that Jed Hoyer implored his scouts to scour the lower level of the minors in 2010 (Twitter link). The second and third player in the deal are key.

9:01am: SI.com's Jon Heyman tweets that negotiations about a contract extension will begin shortly, and that Kelly is in fact in the deal. WEEI.com's Alex Speier adds that multiple Red Sox prospects rumored to be in the deal have yet to hear anything from the team about a trade (Twitter link).

7:39am: Olney tweets that the Red Sox flew Gonzalez into Boston to help move the process along, and he is there now.

6:30am: Adrian Gonzalez is expected in Boston today for a physical, reports Nick Cafardo of the Globe.  Gonzalez had shoulder surgery to clean up his right labrum in October and has a four or five month recovery timeline.  Cafardo says talks have centered around Casey Kelly and Anthony Rizzo, and the deal "would likely involve three or four players from the Sox, including one who is major league-ready."  ESPN's Buster Olney says that all players have been agreed to and the Red Sox are now trying to work out an extension with Gonzalez.  MLB has approved a negotiating window.

SATURDAY, 12:01am: The Red Sox are very close to acquiring Adrian Gonzalez from the Padres, tweets Dan Hayes of the North County Times.  Hayes says the trade would just involve Gonzalez and not Heath Bell, whose name has come up in other rumorsHayes adds that the deal will only involve minor leaguers – not players such as Jacoby Ellsbury, Daniel Bard, or Jed Lowrie.  Top Red Sox prospect Casey Kelly would definitely be involved.

FRIDAY, 4:46pm: The Red Sox and Padres are discussing a potential trade that would send Adrian Gonzalez to Boston, according to Gordon Edes of ESPNBoston.com. Red Sox GM Theo Epstein appears to be making "some headway" in tempting Padres GM Jed Hoyer with a package of top prospects, Edes reports.

The proposed deal would include minor league players only. Hoyer, new assistant Josh Byrnes and Padres exec Jason McLeod are all former Red Sox executives, so they know the team's system well. Other clubs also have strong interest in the first baseman.

The Padres must address multiple needs on a limited budget this offseason and trading Gonzalez and his $6.2MM salary would give the team some flexibility. However, few hitters have Gonzalez's power and they would create a hole by dealing their first baseman.

The Red Sox, who have long had interest in Gonzalez, could move Kevin Youkilis to third base to make room. A trade for Gonzalez would effectively end Adrian Beltre's tenure in Boston.


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1321 Comments on "Red Sox, Padres Agree On Adrian Gonzalez Trade"


4 years 8 months ago

macphail better get jed on the phone!

Fruitbowl
4 years 8 months ago

Yep… to listen in on a 3-way to learn how a real team does business.

HipNip2009
4 years 8 months ago

Yep. Train a GM at the assistant level, have him go to another team, then deal with him. Hoyer was Epstein’s boy, and evidently still is.

craig s (ManusBret)
4 years 8 months ago

LOL @ the O’s fan

InLeylandWeTrust
4 years 8 months ago

Great…here we go again. Let’s see if something actually happens this time…

jondogg2010
4 years 8 months ago

Oh it will. The Padres will get way more in a trade now as opposed to the trade deadline when the Sox could (I’m a die hard Sox fan so I don’t hope by any means that it would happen) fall out of it and then wouldn’t even attempt a trade, and this way they get something (more) rather than draft picks when he ultimately signs a FA deal with Boston.

AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs
4 years 8 months ago

arrogance AND cockiness… wow

airohpue13
4 years 8 months ago

Didn’t seem that arrogant to me. Cocky yes, but he brings up some good points. Boston has been courting Adrian for a long time. I think it’s finally on the verge of getting done.

AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs
4 years 8 months ago

arrogance AND cockiness… wow

jondogg2010
4 years 8 months ago

Oh it will. The Padres will get way more in a trade now as opposed to the trade deadline when the Sox could (I’m a die hard Sox fan so I don’t hope by any means that it would happen) fall out of it and then wouldn’t even attempt a trade, and this way they get something (more) rather than draft picks when he ultimately signs a FA deal with Boston.

wickedkevin
4 years 8 months ago

This better be for real!!!

HummBaby
4 years 8 months ago

Great idea, get him out of the NL West.

HipNip2009
4 years 8 months ago

Absolutely.

BillB325
4 years 8 months ago

get him out of the NL

chopy4
4 years 8 months ago

Out of the NL period one less power bat to deal with. I wonder how may more HR’s he hits at fenway?

HipNip2009
4 years 8 months ago

Oh, Lordy, he could hit 40-45 IF healthy.

Dan
4 years 8 months ago

Get it done Theo!!!

BoSoxSam
4 years 8 months ago

Sounds good to me! Oh man, it is nice to see Boston finally getting involved in more serious rumors than “going to talk with” news. :)

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Keep in mind though, this deal would not only cross Beltre off of the list, but it would involve a possible A-Gon extension, which I think would be awesome…Maybe like a 7 year 170MM deal starting after next season…

jondogg2010
4 years 8 months ago

I’m sure that is a stipulation in the whole ordeal. The Padres would position to (the fans) that he would at least be taken care of and that a deal was done with whole-hearted good intentions.

Hubbs2
4 years 8 months ago

I’m sure that would make padres fans feel oh so much better, he’s their whole team, the entire city absolutely loves him.

airohpue13
4 years 8 months ago

They should be prepared for that though. He’s had one foot out the door for a couple years now. Padres were never going to be able re-sign him.

Hubbs2
4 years 8 months ago

Without a doubt, but the fans don’t come to the ballpark as it is, I cant imagine how sparse it will be when he gets traded. Who else do they have to watch, Latos once every five games?

4 years 8 months ago

Yeah this is true although there will be some fans in the stands when my Giants come to town 9 times out of the year. It’s been a sad last few weeks for Padres fans. Losing Miggy to the Giants and now Agone is gone! LMAO!!!

4 years 8 months ago

Yeah this is true although there will be some fans in the stands when my Giants come to town 9 times out of the year. It’s been a sad last few weeks for Padres fans. Losing Miggy to the Giants and now Agone is gone! LMAO!!!

jondogg2010
4 years 8 months ago

I’m sure that is a stipulation in the whole ordeal. The Padres would position to (the fans) that he would at least be taken care of and that a deal was done with whole-hearted good intentions.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Keep in mind though, this deal would not only cross Beltre off of the list, but it would involve a possible A-Gon extension, which I think would be awesome…Maybe like a 7 year 170MM deal starting after next season…

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Stratch that, I meant 7 year 160MM deal.

Steve_in_MA
4 years 8 months ago

Yeah, but I think maybe more like 6 years, $140MM on the extension, plus a $5MM current year signing bonus, so its like a 7 year deal, but not quite. Give Jed basically anything and everything he wants out of the minors, except Iglesias. Raid us, 5 or 6 players is fine.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

I kind of agree with the fact that Iglesias is untouchable.

BoSoxSam
4 years 8 months ago

Definitely. It’s been such a struggle finding a shortstop, that I don’t think Boston could stomach trading away another strong candidate for that role. His defensive skills are so amazing too….watching a video of him backflipping grounders to second base had me drooling.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Yeah, I would trade Lowrie though

BoSoxSam
4 years 8 months ago

Me too. Great guy, don’t think he has much of a future here. Not after 2011 at least. He deserves a starting role, and assuming Iglesias pans out, he won’t have much of one in Boston.

4 years 8 months ago

Though you can’t get something for nothing… I’d trade Iglesias if it netted me A-Gon for sure.

It would be expensive… but trading Ells in an A-Gon deal while making a move on werth or Crawford would be pretty nice.

I get the idea that the front office is growing tired of Ellsbury… they deny it, but where there’s smoke, there’s fire.

BoSoxSam
4 years 8 months ago

Iglesias/A-Gon straight up? Sure, because that’s insanely stupid for the Padres. But nearly any other offer, no. Besides, its not like the other prospects we’ve got are “nothing”. If the Padres INSISTED on Iglesias, the Red Sox would likely decrease the rest of their offer substantially, leading the Padres to realize that he won’t be part of any reasonable trade.

Of course I’ll say this, and tomorrow they’ll make the trade with Iglesias and Kelly and Ellsbury or something….oh well. 😛

Beersy
4 years 8 months ago

Although I would love the Padres to get there hands on Iglesias, I can’t understand how prospects to a big market teams are untouchable. If Iglesias can’t figure it ot at the plate, he becomes another Jack Wilson or Adam Everett, and can you imagine giving up a shot at Gonzalez for those 2. Prospects are not guarantees and I wish people would start to realize it.

MaineSox
4 years 8 months ago

I agree in general, however I think Theo sees the revolving door at SS as his one big mark and this kid is already being billed as the SS of the future. After believing he had the SS of the future in Hanley (only to be traded away while he was on hiatus) I don’t think he lets the “new” shortstop of the future go. Just my thoughts though, and I may be proven wrong before too long.

padresfuture
4 years 8 months ago

Evereth Cabrera is a good example. He could develop into an outstanding defensive shortstop, already a pretty good one…. but offensively he has not put it together yet. I don’t see the Padres needing Iglesias unless they have given up on Cabrera or plan to make one of them a secondbaseman. If the Padres want Iglesias then I would think Iglesias/Kelly/Kalish get it done.

TJames101
4 years 8 months ago

Everth is a terrible defensive SS.

redsox927
4 years 8 months ago

agree completely.

If Agon is going to cost Iglesias + Lars or Rizzo + Reddick or Kalish + Kelly or Dobrount I would be absolutely positively fine with it.

The Sox are a large market team, they will have at least one first round pick this year, possibly 3 second rounders and possibly 3 sandwich picks depending on which of their remaining free agents sign so they can replentish the system.

Agon (and sign him to an extension) for Iglesias, Kelly, Kalish and Lars?? sign me up…

Mr. Pinches
4 years 8 months ago

I could see Kelly, Rizzo,Dobrount,Kalish

Mr. Pinches
4 years 8 months ago

They wont move anyone off the mLB roster for the deal but it could more likely be:

Kelly,Reddick,Kalish,Lowrie + someone else or low level prospects

While that might not be equivalent value for AGon,those could be some decent pieces with low cost and control for SD to plug in the line up over the next year or so.

padresmike
4 years 8 months ago

Ells is not coming to San Diego. He is WAY too expensive, and we just traded for our CF for now and the future in Maybin. Also, Ells is so injury prone why would we want him?

Lowrie, Kelley, and one other top prospect, and maybe one more lower level gets it done. If we wait, the Sox will sign Beltre. I am sure Theo wants an answer before the meetings start.

MaineSox
4 years 8 months ago

Why do I have to keep doing this? Ellsbury has had exactly one injury (a freak accident with a 3B/wrecking crew) in his career and (believe it or not) was actually praised around here for his willingness to play hurt before the rib injury. Say what you want about Ells but the fact that he is now seen as injury prone completely baffles me, and it’s not just you I have seen this literally dozens of times in the last couple of days.

redsox927
4 years 8 months ago

he’s just as injury prone as Pedroia…

One injury, one that happened to be lingering thruout the year.

I’d love to keep the guy personally b/c his value is going to be as low as ever due to lasy years ONE INJURY

Steve_in_MA
4 years 8 months ago

It doesn’t matter. The Pads don’t want Ells. He’s arb eligible and will make $3MM+ this year, probably $5MM or so next. That’s too much payroll for them to carry.

MaineSox
4 years 8 months ago

Oh I know, I’ve been making the same argument on here. I think they would much prefer Kalish as he is cheaper and under control much longer. I just hate when people baselessly bash a player for something they can’t back up.

jjs91
4 years 8 months ago

You’re he’s defiantly not injury prone, people just dont understand how tricky rib injuries are it’s certainly not ells fault he couldnt return and it’s a shame people were blaming him.

4 years 8 months ago

I disagree with you Anthony. I think the front office still has a lot of faith in Ellsbury as is shown by this trade. Even if they sign Crawford, Cameron may be better suited as a backup outfielder and it would give the Sox plenty of opportunity to rest JD Drew when needed and keep their outfielders fresh. Whats to be sick of? A guy who makes spectacular plays look easy in the outfield (though his overall defense leaves a bit to be desired)? Who can (and actually wants to) be the next guy to steal 100 bases in a season? Who is widely considered in the top 5 fastest in baseball? Who can also hit .300?

I hear you. Theo hates low OBP leadoff guys and the injury risk of all 3 Boston outfielders. But I think he (as I do) loves Ellsbury explosiveness and almost limitless potential if he can stay healthy. I can see him becoming a consistant 15 home run guy also at Fenway. His potential is like a tier under Ricky Henderson (but he could even hit for better average). I’d like to ride it out if the Sox can afford to and see how he develops.

4 years 8 months ago

good luck getting Crawford now. your boy Theo pissed off the Yankees when he tried to steal Mo from us. Yanks are in on Crawford now and it’s just about over for you guys. You’ll have to settle for Werth, who isn’t a bad player by any means – he’s just not Carl Crawford.

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 8 months ago

great! sign crawford and bench gardiner! now whos pissed?

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 8 months ago

great! sign crawford and bench gardiner! now whos pissed?

Quest2b1
4 years 8 months ago

A chance to land one of the best 1B in baseball and you have an untouchable prospect…that’s funny.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

For one season.

Steve_in_MA
4 years 8 months ago

No, conditioned on the signing of an extension, with the standard 72 hour window.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Yeah, I would trade Lowrie though

BoSoxSam
4 years 8 months ago

Definitely. It’s been such a struggle finding a shortstop, that I don’t think Boston could stomach trading away another strong candidate for that role. His defensive skills are so amazing too….watching a video of him backflipping grounders to second base had me drooling.

4 years 8 months ago

He is definitely close to being untouchable. 80 defense at SS just doesn’t pop up everyday on the market.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Still has a ton of potential, and very young. My boy Adeiny I very similiar.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

I kind of agree with the fact that Iglesias is untouchable.

generalbocephus
4 years 8 months ago

Remind me. Who won the AL East last year?

flickadave
4 years 8 months ago

I think it was the team Carl Crawford used to play for.

Steve_in_MA
4 years 8 months ago

Uhm, I know you know the answer to that question, General, so that makes me ask, how is this germane to the discussion at hand? What’s the motivation?

padresfuture
4 years 8 months ago

I dont think Iglesias helps the Red Sox this year.

Steve_in_MA
4 years 8 months ago

No, but there is one player I think we can’t give up here. You can have Lowrie, who is MLB ready, hit over .300, with some power, is cheap (5 year control) and can play short, 2nd or 3rd. Iglesias is the only guy you can’t have. Take your pick of all of our farm system. Kelly, Kalish, Lavarnway, Pimentel, Doubrount, Rizzo, Middlebrooks, Reddish, etc. Anything and everything but Iglesias. There is a deep wealth of strong prospects to be had.

generalbocephus
4 years 8 months ago

The point is trading all your quality in your farmsystem is dangerous especially for a possible one year player. It doesn’t matter what size market. Tampa built from within then supplemented their club through acquisitions.

I’m a Braves fan. We are still recovering from the Tex trade. It sure would be nice to have Feliz closing and Andrus roaming short. Not to mention the possibility of having Salty at first.

NomarGarciaparra
4 years 8 months ago

Theo and AGon are discussing a long term deal…there is no way Theo is going to let bring him in only to risk losing him after 1 year.

4 years 8 months ago

rays won it by a game so proud of them

Steve_in_MA
4 years 8 months ago

Yeah, but I think maybe more like 6 years, $140MM on the extension, plus a $5MM current year signing bonus, so its like a 7 year deal, but not quite. Give Jed basically anything and everything he wants out of the minors, except Iglesias. Raid us, 5 or 6 players is fine.

NYBravosFan10
4 years 8 months ago

with all due respect my friend…let’s not get too ahead of ourselves

BoSoxSam
4 years 8 months ago

I just said it was a rumor…and it is a bit serious, because apparently there is an actual proposal now. And the last couple days all we’ve seen is “they’re talking to Crawford” or “meeting with Boras”, which is almost a non-rumor. I just mean the “fact” that Boston is making headway is pretty good news. We’ve heard A-Gon rumors for what seems like forever now, but Boston never seemed to get far.

NYBravosFan10
4 years 8 months ago

Understood but how long have we been hearing about this? First it was the 2009 Trade deadline…didn’t happen, 2009-2010 offseason…didn’t happen, 2010 trade deadline…didn’t happen. All I’m saying is that this rumor has a history of not panning out. Like I said, no offense meant.

BoSoxSam
4 years 8 months ago

Yeah you’re right. So I’m filled with hope and anticipation right now, cause I really have no idea where it’ll go from here. But it does feel different, with a pretty positive sounding article here, as well as with so little left on A-Gons contract, there is even more incentive for San Diego to get this done. Still nothing for sure yet, at all. I just meant its much more exciting then hearing about Theo chitchatting with all his agent buddies. :)

NYBravosFan10
4 years 8 months ago

another thing you should be optimistic about…Kevin Towers is not the Padres GM anymore. He’s off in Arizona asking for a whole farm system for Justin Upton. Theo is too smart to fall for Towers’ delusional thoughts.

0bsessions
4 years 8 months ago

To be entirely fair, I have been watching the two year long “A-Gon Watch” like a hawk and this is by far the furthest I have ever seen anything go. I won’t pretend I’m anything but skeptical as yet, but it’s been a lot of “The Padres might make Gonzalez available, the Sox might be interested” with nary of a hint of any legitimate negotiating going on.

MB923
4 years 8 months ago

Feels like the Jeter talks have been longer LOL

NYBravosFan10
4 years 8 months ago

Understood but how long have we been hearing about this? First it was the 2009 Trade deadline…didn’t happen, 2009-2010 offseason…didn’t happen, 2010 trade deadline…didn’t happen. All I’m saying is that this rumor has a history of not panning out. Like I said, no offense meant.

Steve_in_MA
4 years 8 months ago

The key thing here is that the Pads are finally coming to their senses. There would be no talent given if they don’t pass the 2011 discount along. Why trade for him with 4 or 5 talented pieces for half a season and no promise of an extension? No one’s going to do it. Hoyer has a few months window of opportunity, which closes after the start of the season. Now is the time, if the Pads want value, to make a trade happen.

NYBravosFan10
4 years 8 months ago

with all due respect my friend…let’s not get too ahead of ourselves

4 years 8 months ago

More like the M’s better throw themselves back in this conversation.

4 years 8 months ago

More like the M’s better throw themselves back in this conversation.

Beersy
4 years 8 months ago

That’s kind of what I have been thinking. The M’s were willing to deal Felix 2 seasons agoe in a 3-way if it meant them getting Gonzalez. What do you think they would be willing to deal now? Would Ackley be totally off limits?

Kevin Charity
4 years 8 months ago

Deal has to start with Casey Kelly, or Igelasis(sp?). Ellsbury would be great to get back as well. I think the Padres gotta pull the trigger this time.

BoSoxSam
4 years 8 months ago

I’ll do a deal with Kelly. I hope Boston can hold onto Iglesias, although you’re right he’ll be a great part of the trade for you guys. Kelly, Kalish, Pimentel, plus….oh I’m not thinking of any names right now. Is that a good start in your opinion?

penpaper
4 years 8 months ago

Ellsbury would be a thrown in, with Kelly as the center piece IMO.

wickedkevin
4 years 8 months ago

Minor leaguers only. NO JACOBY

NYBravosFan10
4 years 8 months ago

you might be screwed on that one brah, losing Adrian Gonzalez would be a big hit to the padres, they’re gonna want a major-leaguer

MaineSox
4 years 8 months ago

Total speculation on my part but I wouldn’t be surprised if Hoyer would rather have a guy like Kalish anyway. He has more power potential, still has decent speed, and would be under control for a lot longer than Ellsbury. (though personally I would rather trade Ellsbury and keep Kalish)

padresfuture
4 years 8 months ago

I think Kalish is exactly the type of player the Padres would want. They can keep in the minors for another year or so and he has the potential to be better than any of their current outfieldes.

Fangaffes
4 years 8 months ago

Why keep him in the minors? He was the Sox center fielder for much of the season.

padresfuture
4 years 8 months ago

The have a crowded outfield, so unless they plan to move a guy like Venable, they have no spot for him.

Fangaffes
4 years 8 months ago

Go back and read the story again.

Steve_in_MA
4 years 8 months ago

Kelly (P), Lowrie (SS – MLB ready .300+ hitter w/ some power + 5 years control), Rizzo (1B/Power), and Pimentel (P). What say you all?

YODA777
4 years 8 months ago

Replace Rizzo with Doubront. The Padres do not need another AAA power hitting first baseman, they already have Matt Clark, whose numbers are as good as Rizzo’s. Replace Pimental with Iglasis. Replace Lowrie with Kalish. Throw in 2 more top lower level prospects to make it a 6 for 1.

4 years 8 months ago

Disagree, Lowrie isn’t part of the equation. He is a major league player they want prospects. With that said … Kelly, Rizzo, Kalish and Pimental. Sorry but Iglasis has to be off limits. I think the sucks learned their lesson with Hanley. And you can see how hard it is this off season to find dependable shortstops in BOTH leagues.-

jjs91
4 years 8 months ago

Iggy isn’t close to hanly though.

Coreno
4 years 8 months ago

thats really not a comparison. they are entirely different types of players. he is not the hitter that hanley is, especially power-wise. but hanley is not even in the discussion if you are talking about defensive shortstops, which iglesias is one of the best.

jjs91
4 years 8 months ago

Lowrie has been that player for a while now i doubt his stock is as high as red sox fans think it is.

wickedkevin
4 years 8 months ago

Minor leaguers only. NO JACOBY

Hubbs2
4 years 8 months ago

Yeah Ellsbury wouldn’t be as good in petco with that big field, he’s not much of a fielder

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 8 months ago

Yeah, he’d just run down every ball and become the Padres best everyday player is all! I can understand why you wouldn’t want him!

penpaper
4 years 8 months ago

Ellsbury would be a thrown in, with Kelly as the center piece IMO.

Cankersly
4 years 8 months ago

Iglesias better be involved. The Padres have no legitimate SS prospects.

vtadave
4 years 8 months ago

Drew Cumberland is a solid prospect, though BA appears to think he’s headed towards 2B due to a lack of arm strength.

Cankersly
4 years 8 months ago

Yeah definitely a solid prospect, but everything I have read sees him as a future 2B not SS like you said. Another guy is Galvez in low A ball, but he’s unlikely to stick at SS as well.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Don’t forget Jedd Gyorko, who might very well be better than Kolbrin Vitek.

Cankersly
4 years 8 months ago

Yeah, at 3B most likely, maybe 2B, but definitely not SS.

Beersy
4 years 8 months ago

Lets not give up on Cabrera just yet. He had a rough year, but with a little time in AAA and some luck with the hamstrings, I think he will be alright.

padresfuture
4 years 8 months ago

I agree with BA, If he can stay healthy, he could be a solid 2B.

vtadave
4 years 8 months ago

Drew Cumberland is a solid prospect, though BA appears to think he’s headed towards 2B due to a lack of arm strength.

flickadave
4 years 8 months ago

If the Padres get enough good prospects, it’s possible they could use 1 or more of them to trade for a SS prospect that they want.

0bsessions
4 years 8 months ago

Aside from Iglesias himself, neither do the Red Sox.

MaineSox
4 years 8 months ago

Agreed, although they could potentially slot Lowrie in at SS as Theo has said he would like to.

YODA777
4 years 8 months ago

Cumberlands offensive numbers are way better then Igesias’s are.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

At this point…

Kelly/Rizzo/Lowrie/Pimentel.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

At this point…

Kelly/Rizzo/Lowrie/Pimentel.

wickedkevin
4 years 8 months ago

I highly doubt they trade Iglesias. Lowrie will be in it most likely as the SS.

Cankersly
4 years 8 months ago

I’m okay with Lowrie too. One or the other better be involved if the deal gets done though.

Cankersly
4 years 8 months ago

I’m okay with Lowrie too. One or the other better be involved if the deal gets done though.

wickedkevin
4 years 8 months ago

I highly doubt they trade Iglesias. Lowrie will be in it most likely as the SS.

kjodon7
4 years 8 months ago

As a Sox fan, I hope Iglesias is not included…we’re all hoping he’s the solution to our SS woes. You’re quite welcome to Ellsbury and Kelly ++ though.

kjodon7
4 years 8 months ago

As a Sox fan, I hope Iglesias is not included…we’re all hoping he’s the solution to our SS woes. You’re quite welcome to Ellsbury and Kelly ++ though.

4 years 8 months ago

No chance of Ellsbury. Pads won’t want him. He is Arb eligable and will cost to much

jondogg2010
4 years 8 months ago

I’d say Ells, Rizzo, Kelly, and Reddick.

jondogg2010
4 years 8 months ago

I’d say Ells, Rizzo, Kelly, and Reddick.

padresfuture
4 years 8 months ago

I doubt ellsbury is involved. The Padres are overloaded with outfielders and Ellsbury doesnt have a lot of team control left.

4 years 8 months ago

I say it will be Kelly, Rizzo, Kalish and Stolmy Pimentel.

4 years 8 months ago

Jed The ‘Jedi’ Hoyer do work!

$3513744
4 years 8 months ago

here come all the crazy proposals again.

$3513744
4 years 8 months ago

red sox get agon. padres get ellsbury, lester, kelly, iglesias, and fenway park.

Vmmercan
4 years 8 months ago

I started giggling at Lester and flat out cracked up at Fenway Park

Vmmercan
4 years 8 months ago

I started giggling at Lester and flat out cracked up at Fenway Park

BoSoxSam
4 years 8 months ago

….Okay that one was funny. 😀

BoSoxSam
4 years 8 months ago

….Okay that one was funny. 😀

flickadave
4 years 8 months ago

And an option on the Tobin Bridge with a $500 buyout

4 years 8 months ago

I think we would have to trade Kalish for Ozzie Guillen, and then flip him to the Padres in the deal as well.

4 years 8 months ago

I think we would have to trade Kalish for Ozzie Guillen, and then flip him to the Padres in the deal as well.

Sawksfan
4 years 8 months ago

Bravo.

Sawksfan
4 years 8 months ago

Bravo.

You're Killing Me Smalls
4 years 8 months ago

WHAT!? No Buchholz!?

You're Killing Me Smalls
4 years 8 months ago

WHAT!? No Buchholz!?

johnsilver
4 years 8 months ago

Lester for the Padres 25 man roster more like it.

Hubbs2
4 years 8 months ago

Im sure they would be more than happy to grant you that

jjs91
4 years 8 months ago

Why would anyone want fenway park? Seems unlikely theres no way the Padres are dumb enough to take that big of a dumb off Bostons hands.

Guest
4 years 8 months ago

gonzalez for dice-k! it makes perfect sense!

NOT

Mr. Pinches
4 years 8 months ago

The Redsox would have to include more prospects for Dice-K

RanceMulliniks
4 years 8 months ago

Deja vu all over again!

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Nava, Pimentel, Kalish, Ellsbury, Bucholz, Rizzo, Anderson, Lowrie, Bard, Bowden, Bowden, Bowden, and Kelly of course…All for A-Gon…

Seriously though…Kelly, Ellsbury, and Rizzo would make sense to me.

jordan
4 years 8 months ago

The proposed deal would include minor league players only. so ni elis

wickedkevin
4 years 8 months ago

Which makes sense. Ells will be making more than that 5.5mil in a year or 2.

wickedkevin
4 years 8 months ago

Which makes sense. Ells will be making more than that 5.5mil in a year or 2.

jordan
4 years 8 months ago

The proposed deal would include minor league players only. so ni elis

LifeLongYankeeFan
4 years 8 months ago

Weak more names please lmao.

LifeLongYankeeFan
4 years 8 months ago

Weak more names please lmao.

BoSoxSam
4 years 8 months ago

Although, apparently its only minor leaguers right now, and I thought Padres had that other first base prospect….or did he struggle in 2010?

I would hope that Ellsbury is not involved. Maybe its Kalish? Cause I’d figure the Padres are hoping to get at least one young outfielder out of it

penpaper
4 years 8 months ago

They have no body in their system that I know of. Although Kyle Blanks is certain to move over for the future when Adrian moves on..

Cankersly
4 years 8 months ago

Yeah Kyle Blanks played 1B all through the minors, and apparently played it well. He was only in the OF for the Pads because of Adrian. He had a bad start to the season before requiring season ending tommy john surgery. He’s still pretty highly regarded though and I’m sure Hoyer’s hope is that he can have success as Adrian’s replacement.

After Blanks though the best 1B prospect the Padres have is probably Freiman who played low A ball last year.

marinest21
4 years 8 months ago

Matt Clark in AA San Antonio is a prospect as well.

padresfuture
4 years 8 months ago

Matt Clark is replacement level at best. Don’t give up on Dykstra just yet.

marinest21
4 years 8 months ago

You’re gonna tell me Clark is replacement level when Dykstra gets sat when he faces lefties and continues to post up below average numbers in a (lower level) hitters league? I’m running out of patience with Dykstra real quick…..

padresfuture
4 years 8 months ago

Clark may be more consistant, but Dykstra has the higher upside. Dykstra could be a complete bust or he could figure some things out and be on onbase and HR beast. Clark projects as a replacement level player, he has a solid shot at reaching the majors but is going to likely be a journeyman and a guy you stash at AAA incase your 1B gets injured. I cant see clark hitting better than .260/.300/.450 in the majors. At 1B this is easily replaced.

marinest21
4 years 8 months ago

“.260/.300/.450″

I wish Dykstra could post those numbers in the Cal League.

Granted he did have a better year, but if he doesn’t put up better numbers in the Texas league, in a tougher hitter’s park and facing better pitching, then you’re looking at a guy who will hit the big leagues no sooner than 26. No exactly the production you’re looking for out of your first round pick.

marinest21
4 years 8 months ago

Matt Clark in AA San Antonio is a prospect as well.

padresmike
4 years 8 months ago

Don’t forget Dykstra, and Adam Dunn wanna be.

Cankersly
4 years 8 months ago

Yeah Kyle Blanks played 1B all through the minors, and apparently played it well. He was only in the OF for the Pads because of Adrian. He had a bad start to the season before requiring season ending tommy john surgery. He’s still pretty highly regarded though and I’m sure Hoyer’s hope is that he can have success as Adrian’s replacement.

After Blanks though the best 1B prospect the Padres have is probably Freiman who played low A ball last year.

YODA777
4 years 8 months ago

Matt Clarks numbers are as good as Rizzo’s. We dont need Rizzo.

padresfuture
4 years 8 months ago

Rizzo is 3 years younger, higher ceiling.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Maybe Kelly/Rizzo/Iglesias/

Boy ill tell you something, the Red Sox probably wish that their 2010 draft class was eligible

BoSoxSam
4 years 8 months ago

Dontcha know it. They had a good year in that regard for sure.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

This is going to sound crazy, but I think Ellsbury needs to be included.

BoSoxSam
4 years 8 months ago

I don’t know that San Diego would even be that huge fan of having him. He’s got a couple expensive arbitration years coming up, and with Boras as his agent they aren’t going to get a cheap extension out of him neither. Kalish may not have the sexy numbers or speed of Ellsbury yet, nor even the same potential maybe…but he’d be a much more affordable option. And including Ellsbury would make it tough for San Diego to also get Lowrie, who would be an affordable solution to their shortstop problem.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Well my deal still stands at

Kelly, Lowrie, Rizzo, and Pimentel

johnsilver
4 years 8 months ago

I am still a fan of waiting until he walks, unless the price is *Just* (choking) kelly and Ellsbury, as expensive as that is and THEN having to fork over 20M a year for 6-7 years. nobody else is going to be allowed to out bid Boston when he becomes a FA next year and Agone already knows it, so why give up so much now?? Iglesias? No way, kelly as a prospect is far enough and Lavarnway is going overboard along with kelly.

rsoxbob
4 years 8 months ago

I’ll bet that’s very close, but with either Reddick or kalish added.

padresfuture
4 years 8 months ago

Throw in Kalish and you have a deal.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

I don’t know if that’s doable on the Red Sox part.

Quest2b1
4 years 8 months ago

Go get a third team involved then, do not think SD wants him. Cinn would be a good team to call.

Mr. Pinches
4 years 8 months ago

My thoughts were that if they could trade scutaro,cameron or drew for a bag of balls they turn around and send that bag to SD.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

This is going to sound crazy, but I think Ellsbury needs to be included.

Beersy
4 years 8 months ago

I think the Padres would do Kelly and Iglesias for Gonzo. And really, if the Padres want a plyer from the 2010 draft class, can he not just be a PTBNL like Bonderman was when he was dealt from the A’s to the Tigers.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Has to he 6 months prior to the one year anniversary of the players signing.

padresfuture
4 years 8 months ago

I could see the Padres agreeing Kelly, Iglesias(assuming they think Iglesias is a significant upgrade to Cabrera), and Pimental or Vitek(PTBNL)

Sd_brain
4 years 8 months ago

theres always PTBNL, but that would be way later and i dont even know if that follows mlb rules.

Beersy
4 years 8 months ago

As a Padre fan, I hope that minor league outfielder is Reymond Fuentes. According to Baseball America, he is a similar player to Ellsbury, but is 4 or 5 years away from the bigs.

Mr. Pinches
4 years 8 months ago

Cousin to Carlos Beltran too.

Steve_in_MA
4 years 8 months ago

You nailed it Beersy. Its Fuentes. Good tools all around, but lacks even gap power. If the Pads coaching staff can open his stance a little and work on some of his swing dynamics, he could become a decent hitter, with gap power. I don’t think he’s 4 years away, but more probably 2 to 3 seasons away.

BoSoxSam
4 years 8 months ago

Although, apparently its only minor leaguers right now, and I thought Padres had that other first base prospect….or did he struggle in 2010?

I would hope that Ellsbury is not involved. Maybe its Kalish? Cause I’d figure the Padres are hoping to get at least one young outfielder out of it

marinest21
4 years 8 months ago

God dangit, you beat me to it. I love how ridiculous the proposals got last time this subject was brought up.

marinest21
4 years 8 months ago

God dangit, you beat me to it. I love how ridiculous the proposals got last time this subject was brought up.

myname_989
4 years 8 months ago

I’m thinking Kelly, Iglesias, Rizzo and Reddick. Sounds like a lot, but Hoyer seems unwilling to trade A-Gon, so something has to budge. Lol

0bsessions
4 years 8 months ago

Substitute Iglesias out for just about any other two eligible Sox prospects (Noting Ranaudo is ineligible) and I’d probably make the deal. I am just unwilling to watch Iglesias go.

myname_989
4 years 8 months ago

I’m thinking Kelly, Iglesias, Rizzo and Reddick. Sounds like a lot, but Hoyer seems unwilling to trade A-Gon, so something has to budge. Lol

Sixto_Lezcano
4 years 8 months ago

Red Sox would be dumb to include Kelly for one year of A-Gon. I don’t think that’s going to happen.

Sawksfan
4 years 8 months ago

Who says it’s only for 1 year of A-Gon? Who says Kelly amounts to anything anyways? All speculation.

EarlyMorningBoxscore
4 years 8 months ago

If the Sox do all this work to trade for A-Gon than you can guarantee that they are breaking the bank to sign an extension. If they trade for him noway they let him walk at the end of the year via free agency. Don’t be surprised if they do trade for him that an extension is already in place.

Sixto_Lezcano
4 years 8 months ago

Red Sox would be dumb to include Kelly for one year of A-Gon. I don’t think that’s going to happen.

Beersy
4 years 8 months ago

I can’t see how Fuentes is not involved in this deal. He has crazy upside and the Sox will not include Iglesias in a deal unfortunately. The Padres need at least a top notch pitching and fielding prospect in this deal. I’m thinking Kelly, Britton or Pimental, Fuentes, and Gibson. Is that to much to ask?

As I’ve said before, prospects are not guaranteed to become stars or even Majoe Leaugers, so when a team like Boston who has the money to sign Gonzalez to an extension, has the chance to acquire him for nothing off of there ML rosyer they would be crazy not to.

padresmike
4 years 8 months ago

I GUARANTEE you that Ellsbury is not even whispered in any of those trade talks. We HAVE plenty of OF’s, including a CF tath only makde 400 k. We need infield help BAD. Cabrera MIGHT be a servicable 2nd, but he is done as a SS.

Lowie, Kelly. Rizzo, and ?

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Pimentel

4 years 8 months ago

hoyer has a list of prospects hes interested in but instead you want to offer up our starting center fielder? dude you should be a gm!

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Actually, I should be a GM.

4 years 8 months ago

a true knowledgeable guy on all teams it seems lots of respect to you

YODA777
4 years 8 months ago

Rizzo’s numbers are no better then the Padres Matt Clarks. Clark will start the year at AAA and will be MLB ready in 2012. Secondly, the Padres still have big Kyle Blanks who is also a first baseman by trade. Iglasis, Kalish, Kelly, Doubrant plus 2 lower level top prospects.

marinest21
4 years 8 months ago

I feel the same way. I got confidence in Blanks and even if he doesn’t pan out, we still have Clark, Freiman, and possibly Cody Decker if he keeps hitting. No need for another first baseman. Kelly, Kalish, and Iglesias to start would be awesome.

If we did acquire Rizzo I think that means Hoyer isn’t done dealing. We could easily flip him or one of the aforementioned first base prospects in a package for a catcher or middle infielder prospect. Something tells me the Brew Crew might be interested since they are going to lose Prince. Lawrie perhaps?

padresfuture
4 years 8 months ago

You could be on to something…. even though I think Rizzo has more upside than clark, freiman and Decker. The Padres now have way too many 1b prospects that will be stuck between high a and aaa. A deal could happen. The big question is who is going to play 1B for the Padres this year with Blanks likely not returning until mid summer?

marinest21
4 years 8 months ago

I feel the same way. I got confidence in Blanks and even if he doesn’t pan out, we still have Clark, Freiman, and possibly Cody Decker if he keeps hitting. No need for another first baseman. Kelly, Kalish, and Iglesias to start would be awesome.

If we did acquire Rizzo I think that means Hoyer isn’t done dealing. We could easily flip him or one of the aforementioned first base prospects in a package for a catcher or middle infielder prospect. Something tells me the Brew Crew might be interested since they are going to lose Prince. Lawrie perhaps?

LifeLongYankeeFan
4 years 8 months ago

Wow I’ve never heard of the Red Sox trying to trade for Adrian Gonzalez before have you guys. This is a complete shocker to me.

Vmmercan
4 years 8 months ago

Why did this make MLBTR and not the Red Sox offering Mo the exact same contract as the Yankees and Mo staying put?

wickedkevin
4 years 8 months ago

It did as an excerpt in the Mo post.

Vmmercan
4 years 8 months ago

Ah! I see it thanks!
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WrigleyTerror37
4 years 8 months ago

it rings a bell…hmm but cant put a year on it…

WrigleyTerror37
4 years 8 months ago

it rings a bell…hmm but cant put a year on it…

WrigleyTerror37
4 years 8 months ago

The cubs should give the padres a ring.

Vmmercan
4 years 8 months ago

I completely misinterpreted the end of this sentence, then looked at your username, and well, I won’t go any further.

WrigleyTerror37
4 years 8 months ago

ill give you that one that was good. But the Cubs are worring me bc there not doing nothing and we need a 1b man badly

jwsox
4 years 8 months ago

cubs are not in it due to money…for the millionth time rickets said he is not going to allow hendry to be a big spender this off season

WrigleyTerror37
4 years 8 months ago

ill give you that one that was good. But the Cubs are worring me bc there not doing nothing and we need a 1b man badly

jondogg2010
4 years 8 months ago

what kind of ring? maybe a diamond ring?

jt24
4 years 8 months ago

may have to be a big @$$ ring

jt24
4 years 8 months ago

may have to be a big @$$ ring

jondogg2010
4 years 8 months ago

what kind of ring? maybe a diamond ring?

TdotsFinest
4 years 8 months ago

The Jays need to jump in on this. They need a first baseman and were rumored to be interested in A-Gon. If San Diego is only looking for minor leaguers then the Jays have a lot to offer. Apparently, the Padres are looking for pitching help and the Jays can offer Drabek, Stewart, or Deck. Common A.A, get it on this.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

They can not offer Deck McGuire.

TdotsFinest
4 years 8 months ago

is that because he didnt pitch in the jays system after he was signed last year?

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

No, he has to stay with the team for a calendar year after he was signed

TdotsFinest
4 years 8 months ago

ahhhh i thought i knew it all, apparently not lol
thanks man

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Haha its okay dude. Anytime

TdotsFinest
4 years 8 months ago

ahhhh i thought i knew it all, apparently not lol
thanks man

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

No, he has to stay with the team for a calendar year after he was signed

Beersy
4 years 8 months ago

As a PTBNL they can. I think.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

No they can not, not until February 16th

Guest
4 years 8 months ago

Agreed. I think either the Orioles or Jays could put packages together that would decimate Boston.

Sawksfan
4 years 8 months ago

such as?

hurley55
4 years 8 months ago

jays: drabek, arencibia, hechavarria?orioles: britton, tillman, avery?

TdotsFinest
4 years 8 months ago

as a jays fan, thats a huge package. thats probably what it would take to pry him out of san diego though. AZ was asking for 5 players for Upton and I think A-Gon is worth more because he has proved more.

Guest
4 years 8 months ago

not enough from baltimore and too much toronto IMO

padresfuture
4 years 8 months ago

I would gladly take that Jays package.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

I think the Orioles can…Pie/Hoes/Britton.

4 years 8 months ago

Nowhere close to enough.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

I think the Orioles can…Pie/Hoes/Britton.

4 years 8 months ago

neither can pay long term for the guy why trade the farm for a year of Agon especially if you got a division as tough boston is likely getting him long term

eman
4 years 8 months ago

How the hell do you figure that? Do you work for either team?

moonraker45
4 years 8 months ago

Deck cant be traded…and as good as gonzalez is, he doesn’t push the jays over the edge.. Its just bad timing.. maybe in 2 years its a good deal.. for now just stockpile arms, draft well and develop…

AA wants to build a dynasty, not a team that loses in the ALDS and doesn’t make the playoffs the next year.

TdotsFinest
4 years 8 months ago

I figure that A-Gon is still young and can grow with the team. He isnt a player to put you over the top now but I still believe he is a valuable piece of the puzzle to build around.

TdotsFinest
4 years 8 months ago

I figure that A-Gon is still young and can grow with the team. He isnt a player to put you over the top now but I still believe he is a valuable piece of the puzzle to build around.

ukJaysfan
4 years 8 months ago

You can’t trade draft picks within a year of drafting them – just to elaborate on Span’s point there.

Beauford
4 years 8 months ago

You can trade a 2010 draft choice as a PTBNL six months before the one-year anniversary of their signing a MLB contract. If the contract was signed on 6-15-10, the player could be traded 12-15-10.

A team receiving a PTBNL has six months to identify the player.

ukJaysfan
4 years 8 months ago

You can’t trade draft picks within a year of drafting them – just to elaborate on Span’s point there.

TdotsFinest
4 years 8 months ago

The Jays need to jump in on this. They need a first baseman and were rumored to be interested in A-Gon. If San Diego is only looking for minor leaguers then the Jays have a lot to offer. Apparently, the Padres are looking for pitching help and the Jays can offer Drabek, Stewart, or Deck. Common A.A, get it on this.

4 years 8 months ago

If it takes 3 minor league players to sign AGon then its a good deal for BoSox. I say this because they get a high draft pick (#23) for V-Mart + a supplemental pick and they will get two draft pics if Beltre signs else where. Not too shabby if you think this way.

4 years 8 months ago

If it takes 3 minor league players to sign AGon then its a good deal for BoSox. I say this because they get a high draft pick (#23) for V-Mart + a supplemental pick and they will get two draft pics if Beltre signs else where. Not too shabby if you think this way.

penpaper
4 years 8 months ago

Question to Boston fans: Adrian and Youk or Youk and Beltre?

TdotsFinest
4 years 8 months ago

im not a red sox fan but if i was then id take a-gon and youk hands down. beltre still has to prove that he can play well when hes not in a contract year

You're Killing Me Smalls
4 years 8 months ago

The first one please!

BoSoxSam
4 years 8 months ago

Adrian and Youk. And that’s tough for me to say, as one of the biggest Beltre supporters out there. But its just a better setup, offensively, especially in Fenway. It would be nice to have Beltre’s defense, and being right-handed is useful in the AL East with monster lefties like Sabathia, Pettite, Matusz, Price, and those Blue Jays guys…But I think A-Gons overall production is more valuable than Beltre’s right-handedness. And since Youk is already preparing to play third base by working out only at that position over the offseason, I think he’ll at least be average. Knowing him, hopefully slightly above average even.

4 years 8 months ago

Adrian and Beltre 😛

4 years 8 months ago

Adrian and Beltre 😛

thegrayrace
4 years 8 months ago

Adrian and Adrian?

start_wearing_purple
4 years 8 months ago

Or just… AAADDDRRRRIIIIAANNN! (Someone here better have seen Rocky)

Mitch_Cole173
4 years 8 months ago

Yoo Adriaaan!

start_wearing_purple
4 years 8 months ago

Or just… AAADDDRRRRIIIIAANNN! (Someone here better have seen Rocky)

Guest
4 years 8 months ago

Beltre costs money, Agon costs prospects and a not so cheap contract extension.

Sixto_Lezcano
4 years 8 months ago

2010 Beltre: 7.1 WAR
2010 A-Gon: 5.3 WAR

Career high, Beltre: 10.1 WAR!
Career high, A-Gon: 6.5 WAR

Yeah, yeah, “Beltre only performs in a career year” and all that nonsense, but he doesn’t cost any top prospects and the last two seasons he’s been in a real offense (i.e. not the Mariners) he’s been a monster.

BoSoxSam
4 years 8 months ago

I think though, factoring in A-Gons hopeful big improvement from moving to a super hitter-friendly park, especially for pull lefties, like Fenway, would probably bump him right up into the 6.5-7.5 WAR range pretty easily.

Guest
4 years 8 months ago

“10.1 WAR”

Was that his last year with the Dodgers?

Guest
4 years 8 months ago

“10.1 WAR”

Was that his last year with the Dodgers?

InLeylandWeTrust
4 years 8 months ago

There is the proof that WAR is not everything folks. The good ole eye test will tell you all you need to know. AGON>Beltre. Easily.

Sixto_Lezcano
4 years 8 months ago

Beltre is a ridiculous defender at a more premium position, and on top of that has a history of putting up better offensive numbers than A-Gon (including last year). He also doesn’t cost any prospects. Sorry for being rational, go ahead and knock yourselves out with the A-Gon love-fest.

padresmike
4 years 8 months ago

Beltre has had TWO monster years, BOTH in contract years. Nuff said. He will go back to his normal .240 BA next year. Everyone hits better in Fenway, just think what AG will do. He might hit 60 doubles.

guest_54
4 years 8 months ago

“and on top of that has a history of putting up better offensive numbers than A-Gon (including last year).”

Beltre 162 Game Average – .275/.328/.462 for an OPS of .791

Gonzalez 162 Game Average – .284/.368/.507 for an OPS of .875

You must have meant that Gonzalez has a history of putting up better offensive numbers (other than the two statistical outliers from Beltre in 2004 and 2010).

Cankersly
4 years 8 months ago

“the last two seasons he’s been in a real offense (i.e. not the Mariners) he’s been a monster.”

If A-Gon was in a real offense (i.e. not the Padres) in a hitter’s park, he has the potential to have a 300/400/600 line every year. The dude has serious talent, and is a very smart hitter.

Mickeyblue
4 years 8 months ago

I think people are really more concerned that he’s only healthy in contract years.

Sixto_Lezcano
4 years 8 months ago

2010 Beltre: 7.1 WAR
2010 A-Gon: 5.3 WAR

Career high, Beltre: 10.1 WAR!
Career high, A-Gon: 6.5 WAR

Yeah, yeah, “Beltre only performs in a career year” and all that nonsense, but he doesn’t cost any top prospects and the last two seasons he’s been in a real offense (i.e. not the Mariners) he’s been a monster.

kjodon7
4 years 8 months ago

While I like Beltre, if the Sox have a shot at getting Gonzalez it needs to get done!

Guest
4 years 8 months ago

im a tigers fan but id rather take gonzo. beltre only does well on contract years and boston hasnt even offered him a contract yet

Guest
4 years 8 months ago

im a tigers fan but id rather take gonzo. beltre only does well on contract years and boston hasnt even offered him a contract yet

padresfuture
4 years 8 months ago

LOL, i was thinking the same thing.

MaineSox
4 years 8 months ago

Adrian and Youk, I like our left fielder’s ribs intact thank you very much…

treyraq
4 years 8 months ago

How about Adrian AND Adrian at 1b & 3b, AND Youk…in LF?!

MaineSox
4 years 8 months ago

Or Youk in a DH/3B/1B rotation giving both Adrains regular rest. Sadly obviously never going to happen.

NomarGarciaparra
4 years 8 months ago

Definitely AGon and Youk…
A lot of people are saying that AGon costs prospects AND money…but that’s part of the purpose of prospects. They can’t all fit on the major league roster, but even then, you stockpile them for when you come upon a good trade…like this one.

And I don’t know if my logic is right here, but the way FA compensation works, it’s better to bring in other people’s FA than resign your own. If you sign a type A and lose a type A, you still end up with 1 first round and 1 sandwich. So we give up 4 prospects (who aren’t major league ready, and thus, still not certain) for AGon, but we pick up 4 extra picks in the strong 2011 draft from the departure of Beltre and Matrinez. Doesn’t sound bad at all to me! And something I’ve said all along was, if they sign Beltre now, they’ll lack flexibility to sign a big 1B for the next few years. And on top of that, Beltre has to prove that he can perform in a non-walk year.

Also, now we’ve got a big lefty set for the next half decade (assuming an extension works out), exactly what’s needed to replace Ortiz.

NomarGarciaparra
4 years 8 months ago

Definitely AGon and Youk…
A lot of people are saying that AGon costs prospects AND money…but that’s part of the purpose of prospects. They can’t all fit on the major league roster, but even then, you stockpile them for when you come upon a good trade…like this one.

And I don’t know if my logic is right here, but the way FA compensation works, it’s better to bring in other people’s FA than resign your own. If you sign a type A and lose a type A, you still end up with 1 first round and 1 sandwich. So we give up 4 prospects (who aren’t major league ready, and thus, still not certain) for AGon, but we pick up 4 extra picks in the strong 2011 draft from the departure of Beltre and Matrinez. Doesn’t sound bad at all to me! And something I’ve said all along was, if they sign Beltre now, they’ll lack flexibility to sign a big 1B for the next few years. And on top of that, Beltre has to prove that he can perform in a non-walk year.

Also, now we’ve got a big lefty set for the next half decade (assuming an extension works out), exactly what’s needed to replace Ortiz.