Cubs Claim Max Ramirez

Max Ramirez has been claimed on waivers for the second time in six days. This time, the Cubs claimed him from the Red Sox, according to the teams. The Red Sox claimed Ramirez from the Rangers last week after working to acquire him for Mike Lowell last offseason. For the second consecutive winter, the Red Sox have had Ramirez within their grasp only to lose him.

Ramirez will restore some of the catching depth the Cubs lost when they sent Robinson Chirinos to the Rays in last week's Matt Garza trade. Ramirez appeared in 28 games for the Rangers last year and posted a .217/.341/.348 line in 85 plate appearances. The 26-year-old has spent most of his seven-year pro career in the minors, where he has a .298/.396/.476 line. 

Before the 2010 season, Baseball America wrote that Ramirez is "a plus hitter who works the count and drives the ball to all fields" when healthy. However, the publication described the catcher as a below-average defender with below-average arm strength and well below-average running speed.

The out-of-options catcher could compete with Welington Castillo and Koyie Hill to back up Geovany Soto.


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84 Comments on "Cubs Claim Max Ramirez"


4 years 7 months ago

The poor guy should just find out who he is playing for come Spring Training, and then go to that facility.

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 7 months ago

SHOULD HAVE BEEN ATCHINSON.

4 years 7 months ago

Seriously, Boston wanted this guy forever…and then to just drop him a few days after picking him up..lol…Maybe a Jack of All Trades candidates in the making

$6101468
4 years 7 months ago

Max – We hardly knew ye……

4 years 7 months ago

I think he’s been in the Indians farm system two different times as well.

qbass187
4 years 7 months ago

Huh? This story is completely unclear? Did the SOX put him on waivers or did the CUBS also claim him?
It SOUNDS like the SOX put him on waivers to try to pass him through and reassign him to the minors but the story is so vauge I’m not really sure…

4 years 7 months ago

As bdcape points out, the Sox tried to sneak Ramirez through waivers because they needed his spot on the 40 man roster for Hideki Okajima.

went9
4 years 7 months ago

Thr Red Sox claimed Max Ram last week and to make room for Okajima on the 40 man today Ramirez was waived then claimed by the Cubs for their 40 man roster. He has no option years left so he may be waived again during spring training if he doesn’t have a solid showing at camp. March 14th (30 days termination pay) and 28th (45 days termination pay) are the two unconditional release waiver deadline days.

East Coast Bias
4 years 7 months ago

Ah thanks for that. I was confused myself.

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 7 months ago

Perfect answer! Thanks!

4 years 7 months ago

Funny that much of the hand-wringing over whether the Cubs paid too much for Garza centered on 27 year-old Robinson Chirinos, who the Cubs have done a decent job of replacing for the cost of a waiver claim on 26 year-old Ramirez.

thejerkstore
4 years 7 months ago

Now if the Red Sox would just release a 22 year old starter and 20 year old shortstop with upside………

4 years 7 months ago

So, you think Garza should’ve been had for free?

4 years 7 months ago

Apparently, he thinks Sam Fuld and Brandon Guyer was fair.

jb226
4 years 7 months ago

For starters, you’re making things up because you liked the deal and need an excuse to take a passive-aggressive swipe at those who don’t. Chirinos was one of the pieces that people care LEAST about getting rid of; it’s Archer and Lee that there is “hand-wringing” about. Chirinos was a nice piece, but obviously blocked by Soto and there is still Castillo and Brenly in the farm. He was trade bait whether he went to Tampa Bay or the Rangers or somewhere else.

Second, even if we assume your fallacy is true, claiming a catcher who can’t catch is hardly a replacement for Chirinos. Unless of course you think a below-average catcher with below-average arm is actually going to stick at catcher. Yeah, we replaced his spot on the roster for about ten minutes; with no options left, we’re almost certainly going to end up waiving him and hoping for the best anyway.

And as far as your absolutely ridiculous comments below this, he wasn’t traded for Fuld and Guyer and you damn well know it. The Rays got what they got. Wanting to replace the prospects we lost is hardly as stupid as you make it out to be, particularly when YOU are the one who started that line of thinking and the person who responded was obviously joking and it isn’t going to happen. The deal is done. If they’re somehow magically able to replace everything they gave away for free, then lulz at the teams who are being idiots and letting prospects of that caliber through. It has nothing to do with Garza or Tampa Bay.

4 years 7 months ago

Sometimes posts are only about what they are about. Like here: all I was saying was the Cubs essentially replaced one old-ish catching prospect with a promising bat for another. Even taking into account defensive differences, it’s really closer to gaining back that value than any Cubs fan had a right to expect from a waiver claim. That is it. That is what I am saying.

I didn’t say that Chirinos and Ramirez were of precisely equal value or that this somehow balances out the degree to which the Cubs overpaid for Garza. Supposing that I secretly believe these things and getting angry at me for them is just being hostile for the sake of having something to say.

As for the bit about people wringing their hands over Chirinos. I’m not making up anything, just referring to how so many commenters focused their frustration on the trade on Chirinos. (Wasn’t there also a Fangraphs piece on the trade fixating almost exclusively in Chirinos?) So many folks seem to recognize that including someone like Archer was a given, but get pushed over the edge at the thought of giving up a possibly ready-for-prime-time catcher. And that’s all I was speaking about. I didn’t attempt to characterize ALL reaction to the trade as fitting this mold. You could get mad at me for doing that, but since I didn’t, it’s an odd use of your time and ours.

As for the “absolutely ridiculous comments” below this… Criminy, how did you miss that those were *supposed* to be ridiculous? I was kidding thejerkstore for saying that the Cubs should follow up this claim with one for a 22 y/o SP and a 20 y/o SS. Because if you really think the Cubs would only be breaking even if they hadn’t lost Archer and Lee, Fuld and Guyer are what’s left. And obviously, that’s taking it too far. Hence, my joke.

You see, I could have gone off and taken thejerkstore’s tossed-off comments overly literally or gotten weirdly angry about them, but instead I just ribbed him with a one-liner.

You might try lightening up yourself.

I will never understand what fuels the people who seem to expect every tossed off comment or one-liner to be fully annotated and footnoted, with every shade of every aspect discussed at length, lest you provoke their rage.

Crikey. Don’t you see how boring these overly detailed posts are for everybody except the two guys butting heads? Maybe we could just give people a little credit and take small points for what they are. No?

4 years 7 months ago

Relax.

soxin10
4 years 7 months ago

I guess they needed a spot for Oki, but I wonder what made them keep Wagner over Ramirez? My only thought is that the sox see Ramirez as a DH only and weren’t willing to hold a spot for him based on that.

bdcape
4 years 7 months ago

Wagner has options left, Ramirez doesn’t. Wagner can also catch regularly at AAA, while Ramirez can’t. I agree with you — I thought it would be Wagner as Ramirez has far more MLB upside, but it appears Theo rolled the dice trying to sneak him through.

bdcape
4 years 7 months ago

The Cubs couldn’t claim Ramirez a week ago without waiving and possibly losing another player of value. But after moving the crudload of prospects in the Garza trade, they had two vacancies on their 40-man roster. The Sox had to DFA someone to make room for Okajima once his contract became official, but I really thought it would be Mark Wagner.

4 years 7 months ago

Why Wagner? The Sox have been high on him for years for his defensive and game calling abilities. He’s yet to even get a chance at the Majors. It wouldn’t make any sense to just simply give up on him before giving him a chance.

bdcape
4 years 7 months ago

Because Wagner will never, ever hit at the major league level. Yes, he’s a plus defender, but he’s purely a guy they can call up in case of an emergency. In terms of his ceiling, he’s about 5th among Sox catching prospects right now — behind Exposito, Lavarnway, Federowicz and Ibarra.

MaineSox
4 years 7 months ago

But he’s the only one who is considered ready for a potential call-up right now. The others all need more time in the minors for one reason or another.

4 years 7 months ago

If Max is such a good hitter, and such a bad defender, why not move him to 1B?

bdcape
4 years 7 months ago

That was likely the Red Sox’ plan. A possible Ortiz replacement in 2012 who could play 1B and also catch in an emergency.

MaineSox
4 years 7 months ago

Not a bad thought, but I think he was expendable because both Anderson (if he shows he can still hit after a down year last year) and Lavarnway (if he doesn’t pan out at catcher) would be ahead of him as an Ortiz replacement, both of them having more offensive upside than Ramirez.

bdcape
4 years 7 months ago

Can’t argue with that, especially on Lars. But Ramirez is an RHH and the Sox’ lineup figures to be extremely LHH-heavy for the next few years.

4 years 7 months ago

Rotoworld says he hit “just” .286/.373/.381 at AAA. That’s not exactly bad for a free catcher.

bdcape
4 years 7 months ago

The people who write the transaction comments for Rotoworld are morons.

AJCBE
4 years 7 months ago

They’re so condescending too. I get annoyed when they call players “useless.” They word their posts so unprofessionally.

went9
4 years 7 months ago

Wagner has one option year remaining so he can start the season in AAA without having to go through waivers.
Not the case with Max Ram.

rangersfan32
4 years 7 months ago

If Max can ever stay healthy he will be a good major league hitter, but he doesn’t have the defense or the arm to be a catcher, that’s what is really going to hold him back.

bdcape
4 years 7 months ago

Yup. His value is especially limited in the NL. It’s first base or bust.

4 years 7 months ago

Thats what I don’t get, if the Cubs plan on converting him to a 1B thats gonna be hard without any options, unless they stick Castillo down in AAA to start and same with Hill, then carry him as the back up for Soto and Pena..But even that isn’t a great plan

bdcape
4 years 7 months ago

Well, there’s a small chance he rips the cover off the ball in spring training and becomes a trade chip. Other than that, you’re completely right.

bdcape
4 years 7 months ago

Well, there’s a small chance he rips the cover off the ball in spring training and becomes a trade chip. Other than that, you’re completely right.

4 years 7 months ago

Keep your hands inside the Max Ramirez ride at all times–where he stops, nobody knows!

4 years 7 months ago

Keep your hands inside the Max Ramirez ride at all times–where he stops, nobody knows!

woadude
4 years 7 months ago

Ok, I am lost here, but when a player is claimed isnt it 10 days to work out a trade or the player can be pulled back or what?

disgustedcubfan
4 years 7 months ago

Maybe he is the back-up at 1st base, emergency 3rd catcher and pinch hitter.

Here is a move for Hendry to make. Sign Soriano to be the right handed set up guy for Marmol. He is also your closer for when Marmol forgets how to throw strikes.
Move Cashner to your 5th starter and see what you can get for Gorzelanny and Wells in a deal with Detroit.

4 years 7 months ago

That would be awesome, but I dont know if we have the money to sign him to a big deal that he wants

4 years 7 months ago

They already did that…i.e. KERRY WOOD. No way they have the cash for Soriano.

disgustedcubfan
4 years 7 months ago

Wood was a great signing for the money, but do you trust him as your go to set up guy over a 6 month long season?
I agree the Cubs won’t spend the money, but with Derrick Lee’s , Ted Lilly’s, and Xavier Nady’s money coming off the books this year, and even more next year, I think the money could be there.

BlueCatuli
4 years 7 months ago

Not when he payroll gets cut.

Wrek305
4 years 7 months ago

Wood needs to be the Closer not the set up man be has the Mariano cutter .. perfect weapon for a closer unless he can teach it to Marmol after he learns how to throw

4 years 7 months ago

You have Wood and Marshall as you set-up men boss.

2B/3B/1B/RF/LF-Jeff Baker, OF-Kosuke Fukudome, 2B/SS-Darwin Barney, OF- Fernando Perez, and C-Wellington Castillo/Ramirez/Hill seem to make up the bench.

Guest
4 years 7 months ago

I agree with the the Detroit part….the CUBS should go after Ryan Raeburn. Soriano ain’t happening.

Wrek305
4 years 7 months ago

Raeburn is horse S***

Guest
4 years 7 months ago

so you know him personally. LOL.

Guest
4 years 7 months ago

Gee, that narrows down his baseball abilities. How could I possibly debate that?

golga333
4 years 7 months ago

How about Scott Sizemore?

Guest
4 years 7 months ago

Like it. Don’t think it’s happening tho. Looks like Penny is signing with the Tigers.

disgustedcubfan
4 years 7 months ago

Maybe he is the back-up at 1st base, emergency 3rd catcher and pinch hitter.

Here is a move for Hendry to make. Sign Soriano to be the right handed set up guy for Marmol. He is also your closer for when Marmol forgets how to throw strikes.
Move Cashner to your 5th starter and see what you can get for Gorzelanny and Wells in a deal with Detroit.

MadmanTX
4 years 7 months ago

Wow. Didn’t know the Sox put Max on waivers. Shocking, considering how badly they seemed to want him.

MadmanTX
4 years 7 months ago

Wow. Didn’t know the Sox put Max on waivers. Shocking, considering how badly they seemed to want him.

crunchy1
4 years 7 months ago

Not a bad replacement for Chirinos if he can stay at catcher. Admittedly that’s a big IF. He may even have the better bat. We don’t need a starting catcher anyway. We just need a guy who can spell Soto once in a while and maybe be a good bat off the bench.