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Orioles Sign Kevin Gregg

By Ben Nicholson-Smith | January 13, 2011 at 4:38pm CDT

The Orioles officially announced that they signed Kevin Gregg to a two-year deal. The contract will pay Gregg $10MM and includes an option, according to Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports (all Twitter links). The vesting option would bring the total value of the deal to the $16-20MM range, according to Jon Heyman of SI.com (on Twitter). Beverly Hills Sports Council represents the right-hander.

Gregg saved 37 games for the Blue Jays in 2010. The 32-year-old posted 8.8 K/9 and 4.6 BB/9 along with a 3.51 ERA. Koji Uehara, another candidate to close for Buck Showalter, posted a miniscule 1.0 BB/9 to go along with 11.3 K/9 in 2010.

Jim Johnson, Mike Gonzalez and another former Blue Jay, Jeremy Accardo, will also likely contribute out of the Orioles' 'pen in 2011. Alfredo Simon is currently involved in an investigation into a fatal shooting in the Dominican Republic, so it's not clear whether he'll be able to pitch.

The Blue Jays will obtain a draft pick for losing Gregg, but the Orioles do not have to surrender one. Toronto amateur scouting director Andrew Tinnish now has seven of the top 72 picks in the 2011 draft. 

The Orioles could still use a left-handed reliever and a starter who can eat innings at the back of the team's rotation.

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  1. johnny

    14 years ago

    lol

    Reply
  2. NorthYorkJays

    14 years ago

    I like what the Orioles have done this offseason – they have a solid lineup and tons of young pitching talent with a decent bullpen. While I still expect them to be 5th, an 83-87 win 3rd place season isn’t that far off.

    Will Gregg or Gonzalez close, Orioles fans? I don’t know much about Gonzalez but I hope for your sake he’s a better option than Gregg.

    Reply
    • Lunchbox45

      14 years ago

      orioles are terrible, all the prospects they have built up have flopped and under achieve..

      They are terrible team who’s future looks no where as bright as the royals, pirates and nats in terms of prospects

      Reply
      • not_brooks

        14 years ago

        Brian Matusz is terrible, right?

        And let’s give up on Matt Wieters. He’s way too old to have a break out year. All catching prospects are studs by the time they’re 24.

        In that vein, let’s give up on Jake Arrieta and Brad Bergesen as well. And Chris Tillman, even though he’s only 23.

        And who cares about prospects? In two sentences, you talk about O’s prospects flopping and then give props to Royals, Pirates and Nats prospects. Since when is any prospect a sure thing?

        Reply
        • sbauer

          14 years ago

          I’ve given up on Machado since he’s 18 and hasn’t made it to the majors yet. Not impressed.

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          • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex

            14 years ago

            i hope people can see through the sarcasm

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            • bomberj11

              14 years ago

              That’s not sarcasm.

              Reply
              • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex

                14 years ago

                i hope your comment is sarcasm

                Reply
        • Lunchbox45

          14 years ago

          The difference is that the orioles prospects have had chances to prove and establish themselves and failed to do that..

          I like Wieters and Matusz, but I think both will fail to live up to the expectations that fans and media have set on them. .

          The rebuild has been terrible, they have a decent core, but by the time some of their prospects actually start to contribute on a major league level, guys like Markekis & Jones will be out the door.

          I’m not a hater, but whether you want to admit it or not, the future is not bright in baltimore.

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          • dodgerblue1983

            14 years ago

            the future is not right in baltimore? really….. because toronto is gonna be a force to be reckoned with?

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            • Lunchbox45

              14 years ago

              what does that have to do with anything?

              why do you feel that my point isn’t valid based on the success of the team i route for?? Thats a highly flawed response and argument

              based on that, I chose to not response to your idiotic comment, because, much like you, its irrelevant

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              • dodgerblue1983

                14 years ago

                so sensitive. im not saying the o’s are world series contenders. im just saying they have a legit shot at finishing in third. its just funny because a blue jays fan telling orioles fan that their future isnt bright is like a 350 pound guy telling a 400 pound guy that he is fat

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                • Jon Stark

                  14 years ago

                  The future is actually pretty bright in TO.

                  Reply
                • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex

                  14 years ago

                  but the 400 pound guy is fatter

                  Reply
                • sadp

                  14 years ago

                  I think the difference here is that the 400 pound guy is eating slightly less McDonalds every day while telling his friends he’s going to get thin, and the 350 pound guy has a personal trainer, a new diet, and a serious workout regimen while telling his friends they’ve got to be patient until he’s super ripped.

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                  • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex

                    14 years ago

                    analogy of the day

                    Reply
                  • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex

                    14 years ago

                    analogy of the day

                    Reply
                  • Encarnacion's Parrot

                    14 years ago

                    All of a sudden I’ve lost any cravings for McDonalds.

                    Reply
                  • Encarnacion's Parrot

                    14 years ago

                    All of a sudden I’ve lost any cravings for McDonalds.

                    Reply
                  • 0vercast

                    14 years ago

                    Well done.

                    Reply
                  • 0vercast

                    14 years ago

                    Well done.

                    Reply
                  • basemonkey

                    14 years ago

                    That analogy was so 5 posts ago.

                    Reply
                  • basemonkey

                    14 years ago

                    That analogy was so 5 posts ago.

                    Reply
                • basemonkey

                  14 years ago

                  Hilarious.

                  Reply
                • basemonkey

                  14 years ago

                  Don’t mind him. He’s a Jays troll. He regularly pops into Baltimore news just to post how bad he thinks the Os are. He’s entitled to his opinion. You’re right though. Essentially it’s some kind of weird turf war over the #4 slot in the division, that he’s arguing from.

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                  • dodgerblue1983

                    14 years ago

                    yeah its kind of funny actually. i think we all can agree the red sox have that division won. im from bmore and now live in la. so i do have an interest in the orioles.

                    Reply
                • basemonkey

                  14 years ago

                  Don’t mind him. He’s a Jays troll. He regularly pops into Baltimore news just to post how bad he thinks the Os are. He’s entitled to his opinion. You’re right though. Essentially it’s some kind of weird turf war over the #4 slot in the division, that he’s arguing from.

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                • RedSoxDynasty

                  14 years ago

                  Perfect response! The Al East could potentially have all 5 teams finish .500 or better IMO!

                  Reply
                • RedSoxDynasty

                  14 years ago

                  Perfect response! The Al East could potentially have all 5 teams finish .500 or better IMO!

                  Reply
              • dodgerblue1983

                14 years ago

                so sensitive. im not saying the o’s are world series contenders. im just saying they have a legit shot at finishing in third. its just funny because a blue jays fan telling orioles fan that their future isnt bright is like a 350 pound guy telling a 400 pound guy that he is fat

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          • not_brooks

            14 years ago

            Doubting Wieters is understandable, but only because of the massive amount of hype that literally everyone associated with baseball placed on his shoulders.

            And what is it about Matusz that makes you think he’s not going to live up to expectations? His 3.63 ERA in the second half of 2010 (2.18 in his final 11 starts) or the fact that you’re obviously a biased Blue Jays fan?

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            • Lunchbox45

              14 years ago

              What does me being a blue jay fan have to do with my assessment of baltimore? It’s not like they are the yankees or the red sox and I have had to deal with the behemoths of baseball and grown a hate for them. Its the Orioles, if it were up to me I would love for them to be successful but they are not.

              And granted your point on Matusz is valid, and as I said I do like him. However he is only one player, the Orioles depth or lack there of is the concerning part for me.

              Do you envision them being out of the basement, 4/5 in the AL east in the next 5 years?

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              • not_brooks

                14 years ago

                Sure.

                I can easily see Matusz putting up a 3.50ish ERA and winning 15+ games in 2011. Add another sub-4.00 ERA season from Jeremy Guthrie and a bit more progress from Jake Arrieta and Brad Bergesen and that’s the start of a solid rotation. I do think that finding a veteran to fill out the rotation will be huge. Throwing Chris Tillman into the fire again would be a huge mistake, and Zach Britton should stay in AAA for at least half of 2011.

                Next, look at the massive offensive upgrades. Check out the O’s 2010 production from first, short and third in 2010:

                First: .226/.289/.336, 11 HR
                Short: .236/.277/.272, 1 HR
                Third: .260/.290/.378, 16 HR

                Derrek Lee, J.J. Hardy and Mark Reynolds will be absolutely ridiculous upgrades at those positions. And adding Lee and Reynolds to the middle of the lineup makes Nick Markakis that much better. And it takes a lot of pressure off Matt Wieters and Adam Jones. And it makes a repeat more likely for Luke Scott.

                I really do think that, if things go right in 2011, the O’s could win 85 games. And 85 wins could be enough proof for Peter Angelos that they’re only a slugger and a starter away from winning the division. That could make Prince Fielder and trading for an ace a real possibility.

                So, do I envision the O’s climbing out of the basement in the next five years? Sure, why not?

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                • Lunchbox45

                  14 years ago

                  Great post,

                  I agree that things are looking better, but much like being a Jay fan, you need to add the AL east factor in to future projections

                  I mean even at its peak, a rotation of Matusz, Guthrie, Bergesen and Arriata might never be good enough to be 3rd best within the division..

                  I just think that the Orioles haven’t drafted enough high ceiling talent, they haven’t taken enough chances with their picks, and because of that they get very good or very decent major leaguers, but within the division, that only gets you so far..

                  With the re tooling that the Sox have done, the young core the rays have and lets be serious here, the yanks were shut out this offseason, which means next offseason they are probably going to go buck wild.

                  I think perhaps in a nother division 2 or 3 years with 1 or 2 more impact bats and a bonafide top of the rotation starter and the O’s can be a threat, but in this division, I just don’t see the talent maturing to the point that it needs to in order to be AL East champs

                  Reply
                  • not_brooks

                    14 years ago

                    You’ve got to factor in the AL East for sure.

                    And you’re right about the Yankees, but even they have a limit. There isn’t much on the 2012 market that fits the Yankees needs (pitching pitching pitching), unless you think Mark Buerhle or Edwin Jackson can make a difference in their rotation.

                    It’s been tossed out there, but will the Yanks really spend for Fielder ($160MM) or Pujols ($300MM) to DH? Especially since they’re going to have to use that DH spot for Rodriguez and Jeter in the coming years.

                    And I see the Rays as in the same position as the Orioles now, except that they have Evan Longoria. Who’s supplying 30+ homers at first base for Tampa? Who’s their top of the lineup threat who plays excellent left field defense? Sure, Price/Garza/Shields/Davis/Hellickson/Niemann etc are a top shelf group of starters, but can they afford to hang on to Garza through his arbitration years? Will Hellickson and/or Davis pan out?

                    Boston looks like the top dog for the next several years to me. With those team friendly extensions for Lester, Pedroia and Youkilis, they won’t have any problem extending Adrian Gonzalez. And Buchholz isn’t a free agent until, when, 2015? Add Crawford to that bunch and what a core they’ve got there…

                    The real shot for Baltimore (or Toronto or Tampa) is the wild card. Sure, the O’s (or the Jays or the Rays) may not be able to surpass Boston, but can they be better than the second place team in the Central and the West? I’m going to go with “yes”.

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                    • Lunchbox45

                      14 years ago

                      Time will tell. good talk, see you out there

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                    • Lunchbox45

                      14 years ago

                      Time will tell. good talk, see you out there

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                  • not_brooks

                    14 years ago

                    You’ve got to factor in the AL East for sure.

                    And you’re right about the Yankees, but even they have a limit. There isn’t much on the 2012 market that fits the Yankees needs (pitching pitching pitching), unless you think Mark Buerhle or Edwin Jackson can make a difference in their rotation.

                    It’s been tossed out there, but will the Yanks really spend for Fielder ($160MM) or Pujols ($300MM) to DH? Especially since they’re going to have to use that DH spot for Rodriguez and Jeter in the coming years.

                    And I see the Rays as in the same position as the Orioles now, except that they have Evan Longoria. Who’s supplying 30+ homers at first base for Tampa? Who’s their top of the lineup threat who plays excellent left field defense? Sure, Price/Garza/Shields/Davis/Hellickson/Niemann etc are a top shelf group of starters, but can they afford to hang on to Garza through his arbitration years? Will Hellickson and/or Davis pan out?

                    Boston looks like the top dog for the next several years to me. With those team friendly extensions for Lester, Pedroia and Youkilis, they won’t have any problem extending Adrian Gonzalez. And Buchholz isn’t a free agent until, when, 2015? Add Crawford to that bunch and what a core they’ve got there…

                    The real shot for Baltimore (or Toronto or Tampa) is the wild card. Sure, the O’s (or the Jays or the Rays) may not be able to surpass Boston, but can they be better than the second place team in the Central and the West? I’m going to go with “yes”.

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                • padresfuture

                  14 years ago

                  85 wins would require alot to go right in the AL EAST. I could see 80 wins.

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            • Lunchbox45

              14 years ago

              What does me being a blue jay fan have to do with my assessment of baltimore? It’s not like they are the yankees or the red sox and I have had to deal with the behemoths of baseball and grown a hate for them. Its the Orioles, if it were up to me I would love for them to be successful but they are not.

              And granted your point on Matusz is valid, and as I said I do like him. However he is only one player, the Orioles depth or lack there of is the concerning part for me.

              Do you envision them being out of the basement, 4/5 in the AL east in the next 5 years?

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            • mattevilspawn

              14 years ago

              Agreed on Wieters and Matusz, xub. The Wieters hype was re-donkulous! Seriously, if he lives up to half the FBB/media hype, he’ll be a perennial All-Star. 😉

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              • not_brooks

                14 years ago

                If he turns out to be .280/.360/.460 hitter (what’s that, like a quarter of the hype?), he could be a perennial All Star.

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          • mattevilspawn

            14 years ago

            I wouldn’t paint the O’s future with doom and gloom at all. I like the moves they’ve made this off-season. And look at how well the 2010 team played under Showalter. I consider myself unbiased – not a big O’s fan or hata – I just love baseball. Period. And as a baseball fan, I’m excited to see how 2011 plays out.

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          • trmahoney01

            14 years ago

            If the Orioles are trash then the Jays are a landfill. Just saying.

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            • Lunchbox45

              14 years ago

              LOL

              you should submit a resume to the blue collar comedy tour with knee slappers like that!

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            • ice_hawk1002

              14 years ago

              hey orioles look like an improving team, but only for 2011 at the moment. they seem to lack a really good farm system. all that can change in a year tho, as the jays have shown.

              hopefully with some decent starts to the year they can flip some of the guys they have acquired for some real premium prospects

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          • Andrew

            14 years ago

            So who are the prospects who haven’t established themselves? Matusz? He only went 7-3 with a 3.63 ERA in the second half last year, and is 15-14 with a 4.37 ERA for his very young career. Kid is only 23…how has he failed to establish himself? I think those numbers indicate a very bright future…

            So then let’s look at Jake Arrieta, who hasn’t even HAD a chance to establish himself yet with just a half season in the bigs under his belt. He posted a respectable 4.66 ERA and a 6-6 record once he was called up. But he’s 24, I guess he’s only going to get worse.

            Brad Bergesen has a very respectable 4.33 ERA on his young career. And this is even factoring in an abominable first half of 2010 which I’m not paying too much attention to, he did not have his pitches working the way he is capable of. He had a great 2009 before going down with that shin injury, and finished 2010 very, very strong. I think it’s safe to say he’s got some future in the big leagues.

            Oh, and Wieters. What to say. Surely he had a disappointing year in 2010. But in no way, shape or form should he be written off as a bust. He’s only 23 as well, and he had a solid rookie campaign. He also finished the 2010 season strong offensively, hitting .282 over the last month.

            Adam Jones has been a consistent 20 HR/70 RBI guy and has a gold glove. I can live with him not being a 30 HR/100 RBI guy. I guess he’s terrible though.

            Can you please give me some examples of prospects who..and I’m quoting you here…”have had chances to prove and establish themselves and failed to do that”? I really, really hate when people make claims and don’t back them up with any facts.

            But all of the above surely points out how terrible the Orioles young core is. And “Markekis” as you call him…has been nothing short of a failure, obviously.

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          • luis

            14 years ago

            Someone is upset that we took Gregg from him…

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      • bomberj11

        14 years ago

        Yeah like that Markakis guy…

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        • Lunchbox45

          14 years ago

          yah, lucky one player makes a team

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        • Lunchbox45

          14 years ago

          yah, lucky one player makes a team

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      • bomberj11

        14 years ago

        Yeah like that Markakis guy…

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    • Tracy Dawn

      14 years ago

      Truthfully, I still expect Koji Uehara to be the closer as long as he stays healthy. Gregg and Gonzalez will likely battle for the opportunities on the days when Koji is unavailable to go. I’m doubtful Buck is the kind of manager who takes a guy out of the closer role who never walks people for someone who does.

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      • penpaper

        14 years ago

        Buck is also the guy who hates giving people “titles”. Gonzo against lefties, Koji against righties. Which makes this move just that more puzzling.

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        • Tracy Dawn

          14 years ago

          True. I think Buck would rather have the more experience he can get at the back of the bullpen in general. Especially if Johnson goes down again and Berken’s issues aren’t over.

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  3. start_wearing_purple

    14 years ago

    There’s some joke here about him being murder in the pen.

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    • not_brooks

      14 years ago

      Dislike.

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      • start_wearing_purple

        14 years ago

        Good for you.

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        • not_brooks

          14 years ago

          Thanks.

          Reply
      • start_wearing_purple

        14 years ago

        Good for you.

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    • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex

      14 years ago

      he’s not bad as a reliever. He’s just bad as a closer

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      • John Stefan

        14 years ago

        Agreed Frank, because Kevin Gregg doesn’t have “closer stuff”! We all saw evidence of this as he imploded in the closer role with both Florida in ’08 and Chicago in “09. He’ll be an ok reliever when there’s nothing at stake

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        • Jon Stark

          14 years ago

          Gregg definitely has closer stuff. It is just not clear whether he has closer control or the mental endurance to be sharp day after day.

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          • 0vercast

            14 years ago

            There are at least 50 guys in the bigs that fit that description.

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          • Encarnacion's Parrot

            14 years ago

            I personally don’t believe in the mental aspect for players. Players are either good or they aren’t. Manny Ramirez is said to be a headcase, yet he’s had a HoF career because of his talent.

            Gregg walks too many batters, and only has one great pitch – his fastball.

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        • Jon Stark

          14 years ago

          Gregg definitely has closer stuff. It is just not clear whether he has closer control or the mental endurance to be sharp day after day.

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  4. NWDC

    14 years ago

    The Orioles picked a weird time to go “all in” considering the Red Sox are overloaded in 2011 and the Yankees still look strong. Even the Rays won’t be horrible. The O’s would be luck to finish 3rd.

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    • sbauer

      14 years ago

      How are they going all in? Signing Lee to keep first base warm, trading for Reynolds who will be here for a while, and trading for Hardy because SS was empty doesn’t sound like all in type moves.

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    • not_brooks

      14 years ago

      The O’s are going “all in”?

      They’ve traded relief prospects to fill gaping holes at short and third, signed a stop-gap first baseman and one relief pitcher.

      If that’s their way of going “all in”, ugh…

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    • basemonkey

      14 years ago

      The Os are hardly “all-in”. Theyve signed a lot of guys but it’s all basically cheap short term contracts. There isn’t anyone beyond 2 years contracts, or very expensive either.

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    • 0vercast

      14 years ago

      It’s not like there’s going to be a better time in the near future. I don’t see the Sox and Yanks falling off into mediocrity any time soon.

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    • Jason Klinger

      14 years ago

      “All in” would be offering huge deals to Lee, Crawford and Beltre. I’d call this “toes in.”

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    • Jason Klinger

      14 years ago

      “All in” would be offering huge deals to Lee, Crawford and Beltre. I’d call this “toes in.”

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  5. Carter S

    14 years ago

    Move Luke Scott to Left, sign Vlad as the DH and WORLD F’ng SERIES MAN!

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  6. dodgerblue1983

    14 years ago

    i think as long as brian roberts stays healthy and the young rotation steps up, this team can be be the rays of 08. i know reynolds strikes out a lot but his power bat along with lee, markakis, jones and weiters is gonna be deadly

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  7. Lunchbox45

    14 years ago

    guess instead of 15-3 the jays will go the full 18-0 for the O’s next year

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    • not_brooks

      14 years ago

      Right… Because the Orioles haven’t improved at all and the Jays got sooooo much better when they traded Marcum and didn’t do anything else.

      Reply
      • Chuck345

        14 years ago

        They have improved because Bautista will improve and hit 70 HRs in 2011.

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        • John Stefan

          14 years ago

          Bautista hit 70 HR? His career average is less than 1/4 that…Jays would be happy if he hits 30HR this year

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          • rzepczynski

            14 years ago

            John stefan meet sarcasm…. sarcasm this is John Stefan

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      • Lunchbox45

        14 years ago

        it was just a joke at Gregg’s expense. stop being so defensive all the time

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      • Lunchbox45

        14 years ago

        it was just a joke at Gregg’s expense. stop being so defensive all the time

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    • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex

      14 years ago

      is this sarcasm?

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      • Lunchbox45

        14 years ago

        no its a colorful picture of a mountain

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        • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex

          14 years ago

          i thought so

          Reply
      • Lunchbox45

        14 years ago

        no its a colorful picture of a mountain

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    • Sniderlover

      14 years ago

      Stop underestimating the Orioles. While Gregg is not a great signing, it’s minimal risk. It’s only for 2 years at a reasonable cost.

      Orioles may surprise a few people next season.

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      • rzepczynski

        14 years ago

        The jays had him for 2 years 8 mill…. wonder if he could of got better value then a comp pick if he were to be traded with both those options picked up…

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        • Sniderlover

          14 years ago

          Problem with that, Jays take a risk because what if he has a bad year? Then no pick and you wouldn’t receive much. Besides, having a pick in one of the strongest draft class might be more value than some prospect with minimal upside.

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          • rzepczynski

            14 years ago

            they could of shopped him before the options kicked in ship him to a team for him at 1/4 which is a huge discount, or if they want him at 2/10

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  8. Chuck345

    14 years ago

    Just sign the rest of the available BP free agents and get it over with.

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  9. basemonkey

    14 years ago

    The Os have really added a lot of solid complimentary parts this offseason. They always had the strong young core, but didn’t quite have the veteran pieces to help their development along. The real proof of this offseason’s work will be seen in the performance of Matusz, other young guns, Markakis, Wieters, Jones.

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  10. kräftig. entschieden

    14 years ago

    This team can not and will not be the Rays of 08 unless three things happen: Adam Jones and Matt Wieters must suddenly become superstars, and Matsuz must become a legitimate ace. The possibility of all three of these things happening this year are remote, although the Orioles are putting themselves in good position for the future.

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    • basemonkey

      14 years ago

      I remember a lot of people saying similar things about Jimenez, Tulo, and CarGo last year. Not saying that it WILL happen, but to suggest it just CAN’T happen is also not accurate.

      How much farther does Jones have to go to be a star? He has a pretty decent foundation to work with already. Matusz showed a spectacular second half, final two months that was among the best in baseball. Wieters came to the bigs with more acclaim and track record than CarGo did (as good as it was). If we take his current progress into account, he’s following somewhere ahead of most quality catchers, and shy of Mauer level at the same age. People forget that it took Mauer 5 yrs to really get on track to how we think of him today.

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  11. Chuck345

    14 years ago

    I understand the move but I’m not exactly worried if I’m the opposing team when Kevin Gregg takes the mound in a one run game.

    Reply
    • Tracy Dawn

      14 years ago

      To be honest, outside of Mariano Rivera, there aren’t many bullpen pitchers in the AL East period I’d be exactly worried about coming in during a one-run game.

      Reply
      • Green_Monster

        14 years ago

        Bard is a great bullpen arm

        Reply
        • Tracy Dawn

          14 years ago

          He was a great bullpen arm last year, no doubt. But he hasn’t been around long enough to make me tremble if I’m an opposing hitter. He needs a little more track record before that.

          Reply
      • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex

        14 years ago

        you mean not worried right?

        Reply
        • Tracy Dawn

          14 years ago

          I suppose it was confusing the way I twisted the play on chuck’s “not exactly worried”. I just meant, in the AL East there are FEW bullpen pitchers the opposing team doesn’t feel they have much of a chance against when it’s only a one-run game.

          Reply
      • Dave

        14 years ago

        Bard and Rivera. Everybody else, a meltdown is a very realistic possibility.

        Reply
    • Dave

      14 years ago

      He probably won’t be doing that much. He’s effectively a middle reliever, and probably about third on the closer depth chart. If Koji gets injured, the Orioles will probably just use Gonzalez and Gregg to combine to rape left handed and right handed hitters.

      Reply
  12. dodgerblue1983

    14 years ago

    jones and weiters will have a better season hitting before or after lee. since the o’s have added a lot of thunder in their lineup, markakis, jones and weiters will see better pitches. lee is no manny but kemp and ethier were mashers hitting in front of him.

    Reply
  13. Tracy Dawn

    14 years ago

    Yes he is and he had a wonderful season last year. But personally, I’d need to see him put together a little bit more of a track record before I’m putting him in Rivera’s category. I’m not ready to give it to Bard after a year plus.

    Reply
  14. nationals1

    14 years ago

    I’m a pretty big jays fan and ill tell Baltimore fans this:
    Kevin Gregg is NOT a closer, last year about 20/32 saves gave me a heart attack before he closed it out
    I have to give the guy credit though, when he’s rested his stuff his nasty.

    On a totally different note the the Jays have 7 draft picks in the top 72 picks, YAY!
    They also have Brett Lowrie, Kyle Drabek, Anthony Gose, Deck Mcguire, Adeiny Hechavarria, Zach Stewart, J.P. Arencebia, Travis D’Arnaud, and Gustavo Pierre
    It’s safe to say the future is bright

    Reply
    • Jon Stark

      14 years ago

      You missed one of their most highly-regarded prospects: Carlos Perez. Things are exciting in TO.

      Reply
    • Jon Stark

      14 years ago

      You missed one of their most highly-regarded prospects: Carlos Perez. Things are exciting in TO.

      Reply
  15. nationals1

    14 years ago

    I’m a pretty big jays fan and ill tell Baltimore fans this:
    Kevin Gregg is NOT a closer, last year about 20/32 saves gave me a heart attack before he closed it out
    I have to give the guy credit though, when he’s rested his stuff his nasty.

    On a totally different note the the Jays have 7 draft picks in the top 72 picks, YAY!
    They also have Brett Lowrie, Kyle Drabek, Anthony Gose, Deck Mcguire, Adeiny Hechavarria, Zach Stewart, J.P. Arencebia, Travis D’Arnaud, and Gustavo Pierre
    It’s safe to say the future is bright

    Reply
  16. rzepczynski

    14 years ago

    The jays had him for 2 years 8 mill…. wonder if he could of got better value then a comp pick if he were to be traded with both those options picked up…

    Reply
  17. denvir78

    14 years ago

    It’s been a solid off-season for the O’s; particularly when you consider the difficulty McPhail must run into when attempting to sign the bigger names out there. With no cache’ (like say, the Rays…now that is) and playing in what is easily the most difficult division in baseball, against the richest teams in the game…it’s surely no easy task to convince the Carl Crawfords or even the Victor Martinez’s of the world to join up with the Birds. What McPhail was able to do via trades, then, was pretty impressive. I don’t agree that we’re looking at a Rays-like jump into contention, but it’s a step in the right direction made without sacrificing the future. None of the players/prospects dealt in the Reynolds/Hardy deals were particularly significant building blocks (though I liked David Hernandez a bit) and the contracts signed or picked up were short-term and/or relatively modest (by baseball standards, that is). It will be interesting to see how the young guys develop this coming season- what, with a full year with Buck at the helm and a surrounding cast of veteran professionals. Markakis, Jones, Pie, Wieters, Matusz, Arrieta, Bergeson, Tillman… It will be a fascinating and critical year for all. I think by season’s end, we’ll have a real idea what we’ve got in these kids (OK, Markakis has been around and producing for a while, but I still think the presences of Reynolds, Hardy, and Lee could influence his numbers in ways we’ve yet to see from him)- for better or worse. I think .500 would be a real achievement and would demonstrate positive progression for this franchise under McPhail and Showwalter, respectively. Anything more would be gravy. Even so, I think the likelihood of their finishing last in the East is, once again, quite high. For this reason, while I’ll be watching the O’s, I probably won’t be watching the standings.

    Reply
    • Slopeboy

      14 years ago

      Agree. The O’s won’t be the ‘easy’ series for the big boys anymore. This is really good as far as the competition in the AL east this year.The O’s will take a few more games from all the division members and make the race a whole lot closer this year. As a baseball fan, I’m happy for them and their fans.

      Reply
    • Green_Monster

      14 years ago

      Do you have a enter bar on your keyboard?

      Reply
  18. GoRav114

    14 years ago

    cmon, the O’s are not saying this moves makes them a world series contender, they are making the club better. A new proven manager, a young nucleus with potential, a couple of veteran types playing for a contract, and a solid bullpen. With a solid major league pitcher this team really could at least play above .500 baseball which could be a catapult for next year. Angelos will spend money once he is convinced the O’s have a shot at winning. The O’s have done a very formidable job this offseason and I think a couple of moves will still be made.

    Please don’t sign Soriano though as he will cost to much and not be the difference between making or not making the playoffs. Would like to see Millwood signed again for maybe a 1/5 mil deal to be the number 3 or 4 in the rotation. Go O’s.

    Reply
    • not_brooks

      14 years ago

      I think Kevin Millwood would rather retire than suffer through the AL East again.

      I can easily see him with the Mets, Oakland or Kansas City.

      Reply
      • ice_hawk1002

        14 years ago

        felt bad for millwood, he was posting decent numbers at the beginning of the season but i think the losing got to him. after the all star break his numbers came back a bit too, still a worthwhile pitcher in my books

        Reply
  19. GoRav114

    14 years ago

    cmon, the O’s are not saying this moves makes them a world series contender, they are making the club better. A new proven manager, a young nucleus with potential, a couple of veteran types playing for a contract, and a solid bullpen. With a solid major league pitcher this team really could at least play above .500 baseball which could be a catapult for next year. Angelos will spend money once he is convinced the O’s have a shot at winning. The O’s have done a very formidable job this offseason and I think a couple of moves will still be made.

    Please don’t sign Soriano though as he will cost to much and not be the difference between making or not making the playoffs. Would like to see Millwood signed again for maybe a 1/5 mil deal to be the number 3 or 4 in the rotation. Go O’s.

    Reply
  20. mattevilspawn

    14 years ago

    Gregg is an interesting sign. At $5M, does that give him first dibs on the CP spot? Would like to know more info. Uehara did well in the CP role last year. Gonzalez has been an effective CP in the past. That gives them three potential CP candidates. I’m wondering if this was a move not only for depth, but possibly with the thought of using one of the three as trade-bait at the 2011 deadline.

    Reply
  21. optionn

    14 years ago

    Orioles are relying on players the quality of Matusz, Wieters, etc. So we all know where they will end up in the standings with that level of talent.

    The Orioles gave an average player Markakis 15 million per free agent season. Next, Gonzalez got hurt and they got nothing out of him.

    The Orioles are reactionary. They think a great bullpen will turn their fortunes around like San Diego. A few years ago they did the youth movement modeled after Tampa Bay. They only problem is the Orioles don’t have any talent. Gregg is a good arm to have in settup/closing.

    Reply
    • not_brooks

      14 years ago

      What are you talking about?

      This isn’t about modeling the team after the 2010 Padres. It’s about re-filling the bullpen after trading four relievers for a left side of the infield.

      And the O’s aren’t trying to copy the Rays. They O’s been on the “youth movement” plan since 1998. It’s just that they’ve had some of the most incompetent GM’s in baseball history (Thrift, Flanagan, Duquette) running the show. Not that Andy MacPhail is much better…

      PS – Adding Derrek Lee and Mark Reynolds to the middle of the lineup will most likely bring out vintage 2008 Nick Markakis (think .300/.400/.480).

      Reply
    • slider32

      14 years ago

      Buck had a .596% in 57 games last year, I think your under rating this team with the upgrades they obtained.

      Reply
  22. optionn

    14 years ago

    Orioles are relying on players the quality of Matusz, Wieters, etc. So we all know where they will end up in the standings with that level of talent.

    The Orioles gave an average player Markakis 15 million per free agent season. Next, Gonzalez got hurt and they got nothing out of him.

    The Orioles are reactionary. They think a great bullpen will turn their fortunes around like San Diego. A few years ago they did the youth movement modeled after Tampa Bay. They only problem is the Orioles don’t have any talent. Gregg is a good arm to have in settup/closing.

    Reply
  23. basemonkey

    14 years ago

    The Os now have a bullpen that includes 5 relievers with double-digit closing experience. Nice support for the young rotation. Maybe we’ll see less of a overworked bad pen give up inherited runners to score, and hurt the young arms develop?

    Reply
  24. trmahoney01

    14 years ago

    P.S. Snider called and wants his username back.

    Reply
  25. trmahoney01

    14 years ago

    P.S. Snider called and wants his username back.

    Reply
  26. trmahoney01

    14 years ago

    Really? Cause I’m pretty sure what you said is that this team has no hope. That’s different from “not competitive right now.”

    Reply
  27. Charles

    14 years ago

    If there is one thing I learned from this thread it is that there are several close minded baseball fans. I don’t see how anyone can say the orioles are not improved or the future is not bright. Just because their prospects didn’t break with stellar careers out of the gate doesn’t mean they can’t develop into above-average or great major leaguers. Orioles fans know they have their work ahead of them with this division and they have taken great steps towards addressing this. The players they signed this offseason fill positional needs. No one is claiming that they signed the best players at their respective position, but at the same time no one can claim that the players they did sign are not great upgrades… they are! Yes being a blue jays fan can mean having a bias, which in turn will alter your view on other teams in your own division. Based on your statements this appears to be the case. I don’t like how straw man argument everything and try to dismiss other peoples valid points. With names like Wieters, Jones, Arrieta, Britton, Tillman, Bergesen, Bell, Reimold, Pie, and Machado. it is asinine to say their future is not bright. Will all their prospects pan out? no, that is why they are prospects. Don’t fool yourself, the Orioles may not have the deepest of pockets, but they have the ability to hand out larger contracts than you may think. What is the purpose of throwing out a huge contract to a player if your team is not ready to contend? As a Blue Jays fan you should know this the most… BJ Ryan, Vernon Wells (great in 2010), Burnett? Those contracts didn’t get you very far. Look for the Orioles to sign legitimate stars when they have the ability to contend, but not Yankee dollars. The future is bright and be open minded… I don’t see anyone saying the Orioles are a lock to be the next best team.

    Reply
  28. ice_hawk1002

    14 years ago

    glad the jays got rid of gregg before he had the chance to wear out his welcome even more.

    O’s fans can only hope for the same

    Reply
  29. slider32

    14 years ago

    I think the O’s are the most improved team in the East, and I think people are discounting the Buck factor. Look what this guy did last year when he took over. With the additions at 1b, SS, 3b and relief I think they will surprise people this year.

    Reply
  30. dl_mcalpine

    14 years ago

    I wonder who will wear out their welcome first, Gregg or Showalter? I think the Orioles have made some mediocre moves, in a powerhouse division.

    Reply
  31. okbluejays

    14 years ago

    O’s have definitely made themselves better this off-season, there’s no doubting that, but lets be honest here they didn’t add enough to compete this year in the AL East (not with Boston or the Yanks, that’s for sure) and they didn’t do anything to brighten their future. Lee is 35 years old and is a stop gap coming off a mediocre season, Reynolds was a nice pick up but he still has to prove he can hit over .230, but it will nice for the O’s to add that kind of pop to a powerless lineup of last year. Hardy is a nice defensive upgrade, but lets remember that his career OBP is .320. They almost look like the Jays on offense (a lot of HR’s and only a few guys that take walks), but to me Toronto has much better pitching going into next year. Anyways, this isn’t a comparison between the two clubs. Matusz and Weiters are two guys I look to break out next year, and if they do that will go a long way in making this O’s team immediately better, a long with in the future. To be quite honest, I don’t really like the rest of their pitching prospects (yes I know theyre young, but it’s just my opinion), so they will need to add at least one, probably two more starters over the next few years for them to even think about contending with the big dogs in the division.

    As for the Gregg signing…I don’t like the signing, as I don’t think he’s worth 5mil over two years, but the O’s obviously felt they needed another power arm down in the pen, perhaps he will be their set up man, where he could be more effective.

    Reply
  32. okbluejays

    14 years ago

    O’s have definitely made themselves better this off-season, there’s no doubting that, but lets be honest here they didn’t add enough to compete this year in the AL East (not with Boston or the Yanks, that’s for sure) and they didn’t do anything to brighten their future. Lee is 35 years old and is a stop gap coming off a mediocre season, Reynolds was a nice pick up but he still has to prove he can hit over .230, but it will nice for the O’s to add that kind of pop to a powerless lineup of last year. Hardy is a nice defensive upgrade, but lets remember that his career OBP is .320. They almost look like the Jays on offense (a lot of HR’s and only a few guys that take walks), but to me Toronto has much better pitching going into next year. Anyways, this isn’t a comparison between the two clubs. Matusz and Weiters are two guys I look to break out next year, and if they do that will go a long way in making this O’s team immediately better, a long with in the future. To be quite honest, I don’t really like the rest of their pitching prospects (yes I know theyre young, but it’s just my opinion), so they will need to add at least one, probably two more starters over the next few years for them to even think about contending with the big dogs in the division.

    As for the Gregg signing…I don’t like the signing, as I don’t think he’s worth 5mil over two years, but the O’s obviously felt they needed another power arm down in the pen, perhaps he will be their set up man, where he could be more effective.

    Reply
  33. BlueCatuli

    14 years ago

    He was awful in for the Cubs. My fondest memory of Kevin Gregg is one Darryl Ward absolutely crushing a ball to give the Cubs a comeback win in’08. Little did I know he would be bringing those memories to me every other outing in ’09. His ex Marlin’s team mates returned the favor with back to back home runs to win a game in ’09.

    Reply
  34. okbluejays

    14 years ago

    I was hoping Toronto could have brought in Reynolds to play 3rd, he fits right into their mold and could perhaps hit 45HR’s in Toronto. Was kind of dissapointed when I saw he went to the O’s, as I really like him as a player, and if he can hit around .240 he should post a decent OBP which Toronto could also use desperately. He also would probably play better D at 3rd than either EE or Bautista would.

    Reply
  35. okbluejays

    14 years ago

    I was hoping Toronto could have brought in Reynolds to play 3rd, he fits right into their mold and could perhaps hit 45HR’s in Toronto. Was kind of dissapointed when I saw he went to the O’s, as I really like him as a player, and if he can hit around .240 he should post a decent OBP which Toronto could also use desperately. He also would probably play better D at 3rd than either EE or Bautista would.

    Reply
  36. grownice

    14 years ago

    WOW possibly 16-20 million for kevin gregg? baltimore must really have to overpay for mediocrity.

    Reply
    • S8P7W

      14 years ago

      I hope, for the Orioles sake, that the vesting option is an unattainable one. The one thing Gregg does very well is stay healthy, and options are always based on __ games finished, __ appearances etc.

      Reply
  37. grownice

    14 years ago

    WOW possibly 16-20 million for kevin gregg? baltimore must really have to overpay for mediocrity.

    Reply
  38. JohnnyHamer

    14 years ago

    When did Jay’s fans become so talkative? I guess being mediocre in a tough division will do that to you…

    Reply
  39. JohnnyHamer

    14 years ago

    When did Jay’s fans become so talkative? I guess being mediocre in a tough division will do that to you…

    Reply
  40. umcharliex

    14 years ago

    I dig the O’s moves as they are good moves for a team like the Orioles. We don’t need flashy high priced contracts a year after almost losing 100 games, we need to gradually improve and hope one of our young stars will have breakout seasons.

    Reply
  41. FrankTheFunkasaurusRex

    14 years ago

    you see, theres this thing called small sample size. maybe you’ve heard of it?

    Reply
  42. FrankTheFunkasaurusRex

    14 years ago

    mariners fans are worse

    Reply
  43. FrankTheFunkasaurusRex

    14 years ago

    we’ve got enough low AVG OBP high SLG guys

    Reply
    • niched

      14 years ago

      Who are you talking to?

      Reply
      • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex

        14 years ago

        this shouldn’t be news, but disqus is very retarded

        Reply
  44. Matthew Cowper

    14 years ago

    Just one note: Jason Frasor must be kicking himself for accepting arbitration. If Gregg can get $10m with a vesting option, Frasor could surely do better than 1yr at ~$3.5m.

    Reply
    • FriedCalamari

      14 years ago

      Disagree because I don’t think anybody would go near Frasor with his Type A status. I like the improvements the O’s have made. Having the worse team replace positions that basically produced no offense for them with Hardy, Lee, Reynolds will make a significant difference I think. It should be an exciting year in the AL East come 2011.

      Reply
      • Matthew Cowper

        14 years ago

        Disagree- there are enough teams out there with protected 1st round picks (like, say, the Baltimore Orioles) or who have already signed higher-ranked type-A relievers for Frasor to have had a pretty good market for his services.

        Reply
        • FriedCalamari

          14 years ago

          I guess we can agree to disagree on this one. Frasor is a good reliever. But I don’t know if teams would value him enough to lose a pick (protected or not). It’s a pretty deep draft this year, I think low teams would rather roll the dice on a pick to become a star than a solid reliever. But it can go both ways. Solid reliever = MLB proven. Prospect = roll of the dicen

          Reply
          • Matthew Cowper

            14 years ago

            Always happy to disagree with a gentleman. I think a second-rounder isn’t valued that highly, though I may be wrong. Perhaps the worst thing for Frasor was that, due to his type-A status, he might have had to wait until other, higher-ranked type-As were signed before many teams would become suitors. Earlier in the off-season, it may not have been apparent that the market would remain so robust.

            Reply
  45. Shane McMahon

    14 years ago

    What exactly does “blue jays will receive a pick but orioles don’t have to give up one” mean? Who gives up the pick then?

    Reply
  46. RedSoxDynasty

    14 years ago

    Everybody give LUNCHBOX45 a hand for instigating an unnecessary attack on the O’s! Way to ruin a post!

    Reply
  47. RedSoxDynasty

    14 years ago

    Everybody give LUNCHBOX45 a hand for instigating an unnecessary attack on the O’s! Way to ruin a post!

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