West Notes: Young, Rockies, Giants, Napoli

On this day in 1978, the Padres acquired future Hall-of-Famer Gaylord Perry from the Rangers for left-hander Dave Tomlin and $125K.  The trade paid off for San Diego — Perry posted a league-leading 21 wins and captured the NL Cy Young Award.  Perry previously won the AL Cy Young in 1972 with the Indians, making him the first man to win the Cy in both leagues.

Some items from the western side of the baseball world…

  • The Mike Napoli trade makes it seems like the Rangers are still trying to move Michael Young, argues FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal.  The Rockies "still view [Young] as a potential answer at second base," Rosenthal hears from sources.  Colorado and Texas discussed Young at the Winter Meetings but talks have been dormant since. 
  • Rosenthal says the Rangers would have to pay some of Young's salary in a trade with the Rockies, plus take Jose Lopez in return to be their new utility infielder.  Troy Renck of the Denver Post says the Rockies "love" Young but the Rockies "are tapped out financially this winter." (Twitter links)  With this in mind, it's hard to see Colorado acquiring Young unless Texas agrees to cover virtually all of the $48MM Young is owed over the next three seasons.
  • The Giants will face a salary crunch next offseason in regards to the rising salaries and arbitration cases of Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain, Jonathan Sanchez and Brian Wilson, writes MLB.com's Chris Haft.  It seems like Wilson would be the clear odd man out of that quartet given how cheaper closing options can be found elsewhere.  It's possible the club could arrange to keep all four pitchers since a number of veteran contracts are coming off the books over the next two years — Freddy Sanchez, Miguel Tejada and Mark DeRosa (who combine to make $18.5MM in 2011) are only signed through this season, and Aaron Rowand's deal expires after 2012. 
  • MLB.com's Lyle Spencer thinks the fact that Napoli was so quickly flipped from the Blue Jays to the Rangers turns the Jays' swap of Vernon Wells to the Angels into "a garden-variety Toronto salary dump."  Spencer also thinks Napoli will be unhappy with a potential lack of playing time in Texas.  This may be true, but Napoli would've been similarly fighting for at-bats with the Jays, given Toronto's plethora of first base, catcher and DH options.


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56 Comments on "West Notes: Young, Rockies, Giants, Napoli"


gigantes2425
4 years 6 months ago

Looks like the giants are going to have some end loaded contracts coming up soon.

55saveslives
4 years 6 months ago

Possibly…but we do have some rookie fill ins…

Brandon Belt will take over for Huff at 1B
Charlie Culberson will take over for Sanchez at 2B.
Emmanuel Burris and Brandon Crawford are still question marks at SS.
Panda hopefully returns to form.
Thomas Neal could be called up to play LF.

All those contracts would be cheap.

jwsox
4 years 6 months ago

if im the rangers GM the only way i trade young and take eat as much of his contract as the rockies would want is if i get lopez(super sub) and two top prospects and im talking 2 blue chip guys…

Redhawk
4 years 6 months ago

Young isn’t worth that much.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

I think you’re overstating his trade value a little too high. A 34 yo IF’er w/ below average defense owed 3/$48. Unless you’re pushing him off to the Angels or you’re a Yankee icon FA then good luck.

jwsox
4 years 6 months ago

thats basically what im saying there is no point to trading him and eating almost all of his deal if you cant get at least 2 blue chip guys….and no one would give up two blue chip guys(well maybe the angles will)

4 years 6 months ago

Why is there no point in trading him if you get one blue chip guy?

Because, you won’t get one blue chip guy.

monkeyspanked
4 years 6 months ago

They could dump the whole salary if they trade Young to the Angels. Good old Reagins.

4 years 6 months ago

why not dump the Wells type salary…the Jays are at least 3 years away from being a legitmate contender so why not put that Wells money into signing the plethora of draft picks that they will have.

Csox6
4 years 6 months ago

Garden variety? So it’s every day a team saves 75 million bucks now?

AA FOR US PRESIDENT!! He would trade the US debt for the Eiffel Tower!

deere5800
4 years 6 months ago

Too bad he’s Canadian…AA for Prime Minister!!

4 years 6 months ago

I think the Jays are the only team that have enough room to absorb Young’s contract, funnily enough.

4 years 6 months ago

What are the odds that the Angels are going to eat the rest of the 6 time All Star Young’s contract?

jwsox
4 years 6 months ago

2-1…. maybe 1-1

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

O because the Rangers aren’t trading him to the Angels (or at least not directly).

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

Jays will pick him up and flip him to the Angels.. they are the middle men between the AL west rivals

4 years 6 months ago

I’ll give you Dan Haren for Michael Young!

-Tony Reagins

Matt_Kemp_Blake_Griffin
4 years 6 months ago

Angels are your best bet to make that deal.

jwsox
4 years 6 months ago

Tony Reagins: “Hey Josh How’s it going?”
Josh Daniels: “Pretty good man, hey nice job on that vernon wells thing(quiet laughing)”
TR: “Hey thanks man, i thought so, hey say hi to Nap for me”
JD:”Oh I will dont you worry, anyway whats up?”
TR: “Well i was reading all over the net your looking to move Michael.”
JD:”That I am my friend, you thinking about a deal?”
TR: “Well yeah so how about this, Dan Haren and Mike Trout for Michael and Teagarden and some cash, like 10 mill?”
JD:”…”
TR:” Josh you there???”
JD:”..Yeah…yeah man I’m here, are you serious about that deal?”
TR:” Yeah, why not?”
JD:”Hey man I’ll give you Colby Lewis too just to balance things out and be nice you know, GM to GM, friend to friend… how about that?”
TR:”That dude from Japan?, nah I’m good so do we…”
JD:”Already faxing the info to the comish, thanks for working with you man, good luck this season(putting the phone down) You’re gonna need it!”

4 years 6 months ago

Get it? Cause he’s a bad GM.

jwsox
4 years 6 months ago

glad some one liked it….so far the good things he has done. trade kotchman for tex and trade nothing for haren, and draft trout sign hunter for less than the sox were offering…

bad things…trade OC for garlind, let tex walk, trade for kazmir(sean rod is turning out to be a pretty good player) let figgens go and believe socia when he said the infield they has was good enough if not better without figgens. trade for and take on all but 5 mill for rivera and napoli just to see napoli go to a division rival

4 years 6 months ago

He’s made a couple of great moves. It appears, though, that the crazy has got the best of him.

4 years 6 months ago

WOW… just wow, Texas GM is JON Daniels not Josh

ATL_Mindset
4 years 6 months ago

I’ll give you your cupcake once I finish putting the sprinkles on it.

4 years 6 months ago

my 1800 calorie allotment has no room for sprinkles; frosting – yes, sprinkles – no

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 6 months ago

Trout for Young would be right up Reagins alley!

Tko11
4 years 6 months ago

Not sure who the Rangers would get for Young but the way I see it if its not a pretty good pitcher that would fit into their rotation or a good prospect its not worth it. They have quite the impressive offensive team right now, Napoli might be pretty scary in arlington. They are like the opposite of the A’s.

Philip Marlowe
4 years 6 months ago

You know what would have been awesome? If the Cubs had packaged Gorzelanny and a reliever for Young, in addition to eating a lot of his salary. God knows Ramirez is gonna get injured at some point, DeWitt isn’t an everyday 2B, and SOMEONE in the Cubs’ lineup needs to be able to hit above .300… Gosh, that would have been nice. You guys want Carlos Silva?

baseballz
4 years 6 months ago

I would have thought that Napoli would have been a much better DH option then E3. The Jays needed the RHH compliment at first and DH and a guy who could step in if needed at the catchers spot. The other guy is E3 who we have no idea if he can play first, he’s never done it, he’s ok at 3rd but that doesn’t mean he can do the same at first, he has never DH’d before (it affects some people) and if you put him back at third you are just asking for trouble, which I think the Jays have in mind since they’d rather see Bautista in RF since he’s really not so hot at third whenever he’s been given the chance.

4 years 6 months ago

Moving Young would simply be salary relief.. if the rangers are to eat almost all the salary why not keep him, if you look at him vs other utility players, he is a badass of a utility infielder. im just saying if were arent saving at least half the contract, why downgrade our depth.

but by all means if someone wants us to pick up a 1/3 of the contract to take him, ill move young.. i just dont see why you move him if your not getting salary relief.

bobrewer
4 years 6 months ago

Michael Young for Derek Lowe + B prospect. Who hangs up first?

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

Where would the Braves play him even if that deal were a possibility?

Also, the two are about equal in their individual craft. However, Young is owed $18 mil more so, if anything, the Rangers would have to eat some and/or send prospects the other way IMO.

bobrewer
4 years 6 months ago

I’d envision him at short, replacing A-Gon. And yes, Texas would definitely have to send some $$$. The Braves would be dealing from an area of strength (starting pitching) to get some more offense. Lowe is, in my opinion, just as risky as Michael Young in terms of aging over the next few seasons.

But the more I think about it, the more I think the Braves would be silly to do this unless Texas threw in tons of money.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

Considering defense, salary and power contributions (65 extra base hits) ….

Gonzalez > Young as a SS despite AGonz anemic OBP postings.

bobrewer
4 years 6 months ago

If by “power contributions” you mean all those HRs Gonzo hit as a Blue Jay, then you can pretty much forget about it all. He slugged a mere .386 with the Braves in 2010, including a (sigh) .342 @ The Ted. I doubt he eclipses 15 HR in 2011.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

Maybe not. He did hit 12 hrs on the road as opposed to 11 at home so let’s not say he was purely a product of Rogers Center. Even still…

AGonz is a much better defender than Young @ SS where he hasn’t played in over 2 years. Is only owed 1/$2.5 for 2011 vs 3/$48 mil and has some pop in his bat. His one obvious draw back is his horrid OBP. Still, if the Braves wanted to invest that kind of money in a SS then they would be better off muddling thru 2011 with Agonz and then taking a run at either Rollins, Reyes, Furcal or Scutaro if they hit the market after the season is over.

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

I’d envision him at short, replacing A-Gon.

you need help.

haymaker9
4 years 6 months ago

As a Rockies fan, I would love to see Michael Young patrolling 2B the next 3 years. Of course, that means Herrara, EY2 and Chris Nelson would/could be trade-bait.
According to Troy Renck, the Rockies are “tapped out this winter”, but next year Aaron Cook’s $10m is off the books and Helton’s salary decreases by about $5m. If the Rangers picked-up $10m of Young’s salary for 2011 and took Jose Lopez and his $3.6m salary back plus maybe two prospects, Colorado should be able to handle Young’s $16m for 2012 and 2013.

bjfan
4 years 6 months ago

Lyle Spencer thinks the trade of Napoli and Wells was a salary dump? Wow, I bet that took some thinking.

4 years 6 months ago

Even if it’s the right baseball move, no way does Wilson get moved unless he has a terrible year this year. In which case, nobody will take on his salary.

The man started FEAR THE BEARD ffs.

Reaper87
4 years 6 months ago

I really don’t think the financial crunch is nearly as big as its been made out to be. Even if F. Sanchez comes back (meaning Culberson isn’t ready), DeRosa and Tejada alone bring about 12 mil off the books after 2011. With Belt and Neal hopefully being in the fold by the start of 2012, and Rowand’s deal finally over after 2012, this so called salary crunch most likely only lasts this year. Even if it extends into 2012, they should be in good shape from there on

$3081341
4 years 6 months ago

Young for SP. Whoever can offer the most SP, & by most I mean QUALITY not QUANTITY. Young for Lowe, DEAL. Young for Zambrano, DEAL. How about this one, Young for Blanton, DEAL. Pitching, Pitching, & more Pitching. You can never have enough. Get it done JD & NR.

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 6 months ago

Question: Is it fair that an admitted career cheater, Gaylord Perry, made the Hall of Fame yet peds users aren’t! Perry admitted that he was only as good cuz he doctored the ball his entire career! I personally see no difference between the 2 and Perry never should have gotten in!

neoncactus
4 years 6 months ago

I do agree. I’m not sure what the difference is, maybe because Perry openly admitted it and it was part of his image, while the PED users mostly deny it? But it does seem hypocritical to say you’re not going to vote in a PED user because they “cheated”, while they celebrate an admitted cheater.

4 years 6 months ago

Napoli wasn’t a “salary dump” by Jays; he was a redundant piece acquired in what was indeed a salary dump of Wells, and anyone with 2 hemispheres in their brains would have dumped Wells’ 86M over 3 or 4 years in a heartbeat. A salary dump of Napoli would have meant nothing or little in return; a reliever with a 1.12 WHIP and more than a K per inning on a team that needs a closer, and one who makes about 4M is not someone you pick up in a “dump”. The Jays are not dumping, they are frankly doing some of the most intelligent planning I’ve ever seen any team do given their young assets and depth at various positions. (Wells 30-40 non-HR RBI per year are not worth 22M per season).

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

funny how you call napoli redundant

but Francisco is what exactly…

Him, Rauch,Dotel and Frasor all have put up very similar numbers the last 3 years.. with the exception of Francisco being to get out lefties at a higher %

Sniderlover
4 years 6 months ago

To be fair, Francisco offers depth in the pen and could provide the team with a solid closer who is pretty underrated as he plays in a homer-friendly ball park and his FIP over the past 3 years have been hovering around 3.10-3.30 so that is pretty good. And as you said he gets lefties out too and that’s something we need in the pen. Our very young inexperienced starters could also use a strong bullpen to help them.

EE will pretty much bring what Napoli brings at 3 times less price.

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 6 months ago

EE is a major downgrade over the production Napoli could have given the Jays!

Steelslayer
4 years 6 months ago

I am not a Ranger’s fan, but did root for them in the playoffs. That being said, I think they have treated Young like a piece of crap. They commit to him a ton of money, which should send the message that “we want you” and “are the face of our franchise”, they jerk him around regarding position and role, which he humbly accepts with great professionalism. He is rewarded with this situation. I know it is business and he makes alot of money, and should be happy at that, but I can’t help but feel badly for him on a personal level.

thegrayrace
4 years 6 months ago

He’s also rewarded with $48m over a period that he might put up an actual value of 1/3rd of that…

If he was performing up to the level he’s being paid at, there is no way he’d be in this position…

neoncactus
4 years 6 months ago

Young’s extension was done before all of these changes were made. He was professional about the move with Beltre, but was resistant to moving from short to third to allow Andrus to start. I don’t know if they’re jerking him around so much as improving their defense. He’s not a good defensive third baseman.

Still, he’s valuable on the team as a hitter/DH with good average and decent power, and can fill in if/when Kinsler gets injured. If they’re going to end up paying most of his salary anyhow, why trade him to Colorado?

NatsTown
4 years 6 months ago

What is the deal with Jose Lopez for someone who is more familiar with him? His 2009 numbers look good and even though he had a bad 2010, he’ll still be 28 this coming season. Is he just like a terrible teammate? Does he not deserve another change to start in the MLB? Also I see that his fielding numbers are not good.

nostocksjustbonds
4 years 6 months ago

Wilson is signed through 2012 ($8.5M) as is Cain ($15M). I doubt Wilson is going anywhere (unless he seriously falters.) Lincecum will be in arb year 3 (of 4) and Sanchez will be in arb year 3. In 2012, Sergio Romo, Javier Lopez, Nate Schierholtz, Travis Ishikawa, Torres, Fontenot, R Ramirez, and Pablo Sandoval will be in Arbitration also. For those still on the team, I’d expect deals to get done. Otherwise, in 2012 the Giants have contracts coming off the books (Affeldt $4.5M, DeRosa $6M, Ross $6.5M, Tejada $7M, Burrell $1M, F. Sanchez $6M = $30+M). Not including the arb cases, the Giants have only about $75M committed in 2012 and probably less than $30M for 2013 (as of right now). They have a payroll above $116M for 2011 and if they keep it at that level or raise it, they should have plenty of room to keep the great staff together. Add to that the expected production of Brandon Belt and Buster Posey at relatively cheap prices for a few more years and the team should be fine.

Philip Marlowe
4 years 6 months ago

Yup, versatile everyday infielder with a .300 career average and enough pop to hit 15-20 HR a year… he blows.

Come on, you’d take him over Yuniesky Betancourt, wouldn’t ya?

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

declining infielder with fading defensive skills still owed 48 million??

hmm i dunno

Jason_F
4 years 6 months ago

Saying you would take someone over Yuniesky Betancourt isn’t exactly a flattering comparison. All it takes to get a good idea of the kind of hitter Michael Young is looking at his home/road splits. On the road, for his career, he is a .279/.322/.411/.733 hitter and progressively getting worse. Not to mention he plays consistently bad defense.