Blue Jays, Rangers Swap Napoli, Francisco

Hopefully Mike Napoli's suitcase is still packed. Just four days after acquiring the catcher/first baseman from the Angels, the Blue Jays have sent him back to the AL West. Napoli is heading to the Rangers for Frank Francisco and cash, the teams announced.

Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports first reported the deal (on Twitter) and Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News reports (on Twitter) that the Rangers are sending less than $1MM to Toronto.

As Rosenthal points out, Napoli will likely spell Yorvit Torrealba and Matt Treanor behind the plate and see playing time at first base. This likely means the Rangers don't have room for free agent slugger Vladimir Guerrero.

Napoli hit 26 home runs last year, reaching the 20-homer plateau for the third consecutive season. He hit .238/.316/.468 overall, with a career-high 137 strikeouts. The right-handed hitter has a .931 OPS against southpaws in his career, so he is a potential complement to Chris Davis and Mitch Moreland, two left-handed hitting first basemen who hit righties but struggle against lefties.

The Blue Jays acquired Napoli from the Angels in the deal that sent Vernon Wells to Anaheim. J.P. Arencibia and Jose Molina figure to catch regularly for the Blue Jays now that Napoli is headed to the Lone Star State. 

In an odd twist, Francisco joins the same bullpen as Jason Frasor, the only other Type A free agent to accept his team's offer of arbitration this offseason. New additions Jon Rauch and Octavio Dotel join Frasor and Francisco in Alex Anthopoulos' remade bullpen.

Francisco, 31, posted a 3.76 ERA with 10.3 K/9 and 3.1 BB/9 in 52 2/3 innings for the Rangers last year. He saved 25 games in 2009 before relinquishing the closer's job to rookie Neftali Feliz in 2010.

As MLBTR's Arb Tracker shows, the midpoint for Francisco is $4.19MM and the midpoint for Napoli is $5.7MM, so the Rangers would have been taking on payroll even if they did not send cash to Toronto.


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469 Comments on "Blue Jays, Rangers Swap Napoli, Francisco"


Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

What the heck?

Infield Fly
4 years 7 months ago

Seems like out of nowhere but apparently not all of us were blind-sided. I was just reading this on the “Blue Jay Hunter” this morning:

With the Silent Assassin as the General Manager, there’s always a chance Mike Napoli gets dealt before Opening Day anyway….

Then suddenly – BOOM! – by afternoon it’s a reality!
(the Napoli post is from yesterday but still, it just feels really weird).

Smrtbusnisman04
4 years 7 months ago

No one can stop the Double A Train!!

monkeyspanked
4 years 7 months ago

2nd flip of the bird to the Angels. Naps is gonna be a beast in Texas! HRs away!

Damn my Angels!

kdub53
4 years 7 months ago

pretty much my thoughts…i didnt want to get rid of him in the first place…he can hit 30 homers a season easy…if theres a catcher we should have gotten rid of it was mathis….
now we get to face him in our own league…
although i dont think ill be flipping off the angels…more like out buddy regains..what a guy eh? :)

monkeyspanked
4 years 7 months ago

Is this what happens when interns become GMs?

A lesson in how to get fired for general managers. I hope it’s coming.

kdub53
4 years 7 months ago

you and me both pal

ukJaysfan
4 years 7 months ago

Hope not….Anthopolous was the intern at one point….

strikethree
4 years 7 months ago

No, this is what happens when morons become GM’s.

Harsh, but that trade was a really bad decision. I’m not exactly sure if it was the GM’s decision or perhaps ownership demanded this trade but someone needs to get the blame.

laxtonto
4 years 7 months ago

Going to be a lot of pissed Angels fans…

Julian R M.
4 years 7 months ago

my hair is gonna fall out before spring trainning is over.

bjsguess
4 years 7 months ago

What Angel fans …

We’ve all decided to either adopt other teams (until our team gets a clue) or simply boycott baseball because it’s too painful to watch.

PushDown
4 years 7 months ago

HAve fun adopting another team, Angels don’t need any bandwagoners. I guess Reagins is just trying to weed out all the fake angel fans by doing all these lousy trades. NOW is when he starts managing a professional baseball team.

Seriously though, I don’t know why u would call yourself a fan of an organization after if you’re going to quit on them after just a few boneheaded decisions by one person. Go ahead and jump on another bandwagon, and bring your fellow so-called angel “fans” with you. Us real fans will stand by our Halos even if they finish with 100 losses.

bjsguess
4 years 7 months ago

LOL – real fans …

I saw Jim Abbott pitch in the Big A. Had my heart ripped out when Donnie Moore met Dave Henderson. I’ve been there through the horrid (Kent Bottenfield and Adam Kennedy for Jim Edmonds), the rough (Mo Vaughn), and the downright putrid (seriously considering the exercise of Garret Anderson’s $13m+ option in 2009). I’ve seen ownership move between Autry to Disney to Moreno. I don’t need a lecture about being a good fan. And I’m certainly anything but a bandwagoner.

However, I won’t support an organization that makes stupid decisions. My endorsement for the direction of the team comes in the form of my financial support for the team. No way will I endorse or support this team until drastic changes are made. True fans aren’t idiots. They don’t just take bad decisions and say shucks. They get pissed about it and let ownership know. Standing and supporting a team with 100 losses and $150m payroll is lunacy in my mind.

PushDown
4 years 7 months ago

Offending you was not the purpose of my comment, so I hope it doesn’t come across to you as that way. But I stand by what I said when I question the loyalty of a fan who ditches a team because it is going through a rough patch. Through your accounts, you actually did endure many difficult season that, since I am still a teenager, I have never witnessed first-hand, even though I have been an Angel fan since I could walk and talk.

All these comments by Angel “fans” who are truly bandwagoners about how the Angels are going to suck next year, so they are not going to be fans anymore. I banded you with these group of “fans” because to me, your comment about quitting on the Angels seems very bandwagon-like to me. I believe tru fans stick by their team through bad seasons AND bad ownership (Cubs fans comes to mind). But you may have a different intrepatation of bandwagon, and I respect that.

Also I am definately NOT saying “shucks” to Reagins decisions. Why in the world would I want a team that I love and support to sink to mediocrity? It’s even more painful when I think about the numerous opportunities we had to vastly improve our team. But I’m still going to stand by the Angels, even if this season is a disaster, and after hearing about your experiences, I hope the Angel fan in you will stand by the Halos too.

Karkat
4 years 7 months ago

Wow, if this goes through, Toronto could have a killer bullpen. And AA is the man, seriously.

Also, Vladdy to Toronto, anybody?

drwheelock
4 years 7 months ago

Amazing! Vlad will sign in Toronto now on a $2M DH contract, and basically Toronto gets Francisco AND Vlad for the price that Texas will pay for Napoli.

Damn Blue Jays…you are starting to pull trades off like Jackie Z in Seattle!

Congrats!

The_Silver_Stacker
4 years 7 months ago

Jack Z the guy with the terrible Seattle team?

PennMariner
4 years 7 months ago

Not every GM inherits an ideal financial situation. However, I don’t blame you for this comment, your limited perspective is likely a byproduct of being a Yankee fan.

Andy Mc
4 years 7 months ago

The guy we got Morrow from?

4 years 7 months ago

how is Vlad’s defense behind the plate?

Ian McCartney
4 years 7 months ago

You’ve got to think that to move someone like Napoli who can play 1B and catch that they would have to be bringing in someone do DH or play 1B. Vlad is definitely an option to DH now that he doesn’t have to worry about the turf!

Karkat
4 years 7 months ago

I mean, the Jays already have Encarnation who can do 1B/3B, so Toronto can sign Vlad to be the everyday DH, and they can use Encarnation to platoon with Lind a bit (Lind doesn’t hit lefties well at all, and Encarnation hits them better than he hits righties). They could also use Encarnation at third and shift Bautista to left on days when Rivera needs a break.

ukJaysfan
4 years 7 months ago

Vlad still needs to run on the turf on the basepaths – Rogers Centre has those stupid cutouts still.

4 years 7 months ago

ok maybe the first head scratcher move from AA

GMwannabe
4 years 7 months ago

trading Marcum for Lawrie straight up was more then a head scratcher.. it was downright idiotic..

Overall I think AA has done well, the Wells deal was phenomenal, but the Marcum deal was ridiculous and I dont like this move either

TheBunk
4 years 7 months ago

how was it ridiculous?

GMwannabe
4 years 7 months ago

Marcum is a solid SP with a nice contract.. They traded him straight up for a 2B prospect when they have Aaron Hill..

Aside from the fact that Lawrie is the most arrogant prospect in years, why trade a cost controlled pitcher for 1 good but not great prospect.

Lawrie will fizzle out i guarantee you..

4 years 7 months ago

1) Lawrie is a hitting prospect who just happened to be at 2B in the Brewers system. He’s already said he’s working out at 3B.

2) Marcum was a completely superfluous player on the Blue Jays. He struggled against the big boys of the East and they have tons of pitching depth.

3) Why would we care about your guarantee?

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

4) please refer again to #3

$1545094
4 years 7 months ago

two days before the Marcum trade the Jays approached Marcum about a contract extension. I don’t know what come of that, but I assume because Marcum was then traded 2 days later that a contract extension was unlikely, and the Jays got something great for the future.

jwsox
4 years 7 months ago

wow a guarentee about a prospect? Considering i guarantee you have no clue what your talking about no one should listen to you. Marcum is a decent solid pitching nothing great nothing bad. He wont single handidly win you games but he wont lose you games either. And yeah they got a very good 2ndbase prospect who is only 21 already made it to AAA in 2 seasons(pretty damn fast if you consider how loing it usually takes) and his slash line in AA(edit thanks guys i was reading one screen and typing here too fast) last season .285/.346/.449 thats an amazing line for a 2nd basemen. and not to mention he stole 30 bases in AA(edit from AAA again thanks guys) last season.

yes they already have Hill but who is to say hills options are picked up? whos to say he isnt traded? and whos to say he or lawerie dont change positions(to 3rd to move bats to right or even to first to move lind to DH) they got a top 50 prospect(says fangraphs) for a guy who had TJ surgery

EDIT: Not to mention according to fangraphs lawrie was the brew crews #2 prospect, and actually their #1 considering escobar is in the majors already…so the blue jays traded their 3rd pitcher for a #1 prospect thats a win no matter what

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

AA last year . Every thing else is nails

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 7 months ago

AA not AAA, but still he did well there for a 20-year old

4 years 7 months ago

why would you even listen or comprehend a guy whose name is “GMwannabe” He doesn’t know what his talking about. One thing I’ll Guarantee for everyone! I guarantee AA doesn’t listen to “fans” like him and JP probably did!

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 7 months ago

will you still say that if Lawrie becomes an allstar?

not saying he will, but its too early to judge

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

GM wannabe, you have a lot to learn.. The Marcum trade, while not spectacular.. was a very good deal for the Jays, because they dealt from strength and acquired premium talent

GMwannabe
4 years 7 months ago

I have a lot to learn? Marcum was the ace fo the staff and they didnt even get a package of prospects for him.. You can imagine Lawrie becoming dan Uggla all you want but chances are he wont be close..

you dont trade good, cost controlled pitching for prospects, especially in the AL East

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

How was marcum the ace of the staff? When last year he was our 3rd best pitcher and struggled against patient deep lineups.. which so happens that our division has 3 of them..

Lawrie is a stud prospect, youngest kid in AA last year and still had the most total bases.

sadp
4 years 7 months ago

Dude, don’t argue with the guy. His name says it all.

Sniderlover
4 years 7 months ago

Being an ace for a staff doesn’t mean he is an ace. In fact he is not. He is a #3 starter on a contender and Jays took quality instead of quantity. They could have received a couple of good prospects but they wouldn’t be as good as Marcum and no team would give up bluechip ++ for a player who just pitched well after a surgery and his delivery is scary.

adameb
4 years 7 months ago

*Edited

Dude didn’t want to extend at any form of reasonable price and his cost control ended before we were expected to really contend.

Say what you want about Lawrie being a douche, but he was their #1 prospect for a reason. Not like he’d be the first @$$hole elite athlete.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 7 months ago

is Marcum the ace of the Brewers?

no, he is their #3.

jwsox
4 years 7 months ago

you can imagine marcum being the next halladay bu the chances are he wont….lawrie was the teams #1 prospect…….

consider this when trading a pitch of marcums caliber(AND INJURY HISTORY) a GM will either take one great prospect(exactly what AA did and got the teams #1 prospect at the time) or they will get a few mid level guys….

considering yes marcum was a good pitcher but not an ACE at all and not a great pitcher they got an amazing return for it just because you want every trade of a blue jays pitcher to be like they are trading halladay all over again does not make it wrong….it was a great trade for both teams, both trading from positions of depth, and maybe the brew crew lost this only time will tell but from the looks of bret he will go one to be very very good

“you dont trade good, cost controlled pitching for prospects, especially in the AL East”

THATS EXACTLY WHAT YOU DO!!!!!!!!!!!

atomicme123
4 years 7 months ago

1. Marcum is going to be cost controlled for 2 more years only before he will become a FA
2. Marcum is 28, Lawrie is 20, the Jays gain 8 yrs in age, and 4 years of MLB service time
3. Marcum at times had a tried/dead arm in 09, probably due to TJ. Struggled mightily against the heavyweights of the AL East
4. The front 3 of the Jays starting rotation are Romero, Morrow and Drabek. Marcum is at best a 4th starter in 2012

I do agree that the Jays overpaid slightly for Lawrie but good hitting prospect are very tough to find. Lawrie may very well flame out just like any top prospect, but the potential is certainly high enough for AA to take a chance on him.

That’s why most experienced GM will go for both quality and quantity in trading for prospect as it is so damned hard to predict who will make it and who will not

4 years 7 months ago

Cecil > Drabek for 2011

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

in terms of spot yes, to break up morrow and drabek..but in terms of performance..who knows

4 years 7 months ago

“4. The front 3 of the Jays starting rotation are Romero, Morrow and Drabek. Marcum is at best a 4th starter in 2012″
Cecil definitely cracks the front 3 before Drabek. Maybe by 2012 this will have changed, but it’s too early to speculate. Its also hard to assume that Marcum would be their 4th best starter by 2012 considering the only other pitcher as effective as Marcum last year was Romero. I do like this trade by the Jays, but lets not sell Marcum short…

atomicme123
4 years 7 months ago

Marcum is a control pitcher; it won’t take long for the ultra-patient heavy hitters in the AL East to figure out his change-up. You need stuff to pitch in the brutal AL East. That is why I think both Marcum and Cecil will not be in the top 3 by 2012. True that it may not be Drabek who will crack the front 3, it could be someone like Stewart or one of the young starter that they draft in 2010… but this trade is great for everyone involved, the brewer, the jays and marcum himself. He could have easily pitched a couple more productive years in the NL Central than if he stays in the AL East

4 years 7 months ago

when did rickey romero change his name to marcum?…..ohhhhh your convinced marcum was our ace….i see

roberty
4 years 7 months ago

What if you have six good starters and you have a chance to pick up an elite level prospect by trading a starter you won’t be able to extend? AA could have gotten a package of prospects in return for Marcum, but none of them would have been as good as Lawrie.

The Rays were in a similar situation with Matt Garza. Six starters, one of them had to go. So I guess you do trade good, cost controlled pitching for prospects when you are in the AL East.

BlueCatuli
4 years 7 months ago

Does that mean the Rays lost the Garza trade?

4 years 7 months ago

Marcum may have been the ace of the jays staff last year, but he isnt and will never be an ace quality pitcher. Hes a solid 2 or 3 starter. they made the trade to get better for the long run and lawrie fills that. Lawrie will likely be moved to 3rd and if that doesnt work out than the outfield. The jays just cant keep holding on to players that JUST get the job done, they need to take some risks. I think alot of baseball minds feel that this was a good trade.

4 years 7 months ago

I thought trading Brett Wallace for Anthony Gose was the worse

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

lol really? Houston was looking for 1B help this offseason.. nuf said

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 7 months ago

i seriously doubt that’s Wallace’s actual talent. Not saying he’ll mash, but he’ll be decent

Sniderlover
4 years 7 months ago

I like Lind better.

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

His ceiling is lyle overbay sans the defense..

While he does have talent, the fact that he is positionally challenged will hold back his career

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 7 months ago

Lyle Overbay was pretty darn good before coming to Toronto

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

for 1 year yes

bjsguess
4 years 7 months ago

3 year avg (2004 – 2006) over 162 games:

296/375/479 … 120 OPS+ … 84 runs / 46 Dbls / 20 HRs / 86 RBIs. Averaged 2.5 WAR.

Not a bad line.

Jaysfan724
4 years 7 months ago

Of course…
The former doubles champ…no baseball video game or real life commentator ever lets us forget that miraculous 2004 statistic.

4 years 7 months ago

I think what John P was trying to say was why would any give up a power bat infielder for a light hitting outfielder.

BlueJaysFan4Life
4 years 7 months ago

the only reason i questioned this trade was wells big contract was hard to get rid of and gose would become the cf of the future which would block him and at that point we had no 1b or 3b of the future. Now there is room for gose and lawrie become the future at 3rd… with all the money saved i hope we go out and get prince fielder at 1b or a legit star. i realize getting pujols in toronto would be extremely hard, but i could see the prince here.

drwheelock
4 years 7 months ago

Relax Blue Jay fans…you have one of the TOP 4 farm systems in MLB! And NOW a sub-$60M payroll in 2011.

Enjoy your future is looking indeed BRIGHT getting rid of your 2 albatross contracts the past 2 offseason!!!

BlueJaysFan4Life
4 years 7 months ago

I think our farm system was very underrated going into last year. baseball america had us at 30th i believe or right aground there. Maybe they had us rated so week because are top prospects were major league ready? I mean snider, arencebia, cecil, romero, rycepski, and to an extent, hill and lind are all just out of the system. Our system is def one of the best in baseball now with gose, drabek, lawrie, the cuban ss, stewart and others

4 years 7 months ago

I’m personally very high on Marcum. I think he’s a highly underrated pitcher and could easily end up being the Brewers’ #1 pitcher.

That said, I’m fine with the trade given a) the Jays aren’t contending next year; b) the talent that was returned; c) Marcum probably didn’t want to extend.

I think next year some people will call the trade a win for the Brewers, but hopefully Lawrie develops into first-rate talent and five years from now it ends up as a win for the Jays.

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

I think he’s a highly underrated pitcher and could easily end up being the Brewers’ #1 pitcher.

does Zack Grienke’s arm fall off in your little scenario??

BlueJaysFan4Life
4 years 7 months ago

i lvoe marcum but there is no way he is an ace on a good team. i don’t even see him as a 2. I think he’s a solid 3 or 4. I will miss him tho

mattmosher
4 years 7 months ago

Yeah….not seeing this one as much, but whatever.

I would have thought he could get more than Francisco, who’s nothing special.

$1529282
4 years 7 months ago

Yeah, he should’ve at least been able to get Vernon Wells for Mike Napoli.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 7 months ago

and make the Angels pay for Wells!

BrocNessMonster
4 years 7 months ago

10.3k/9. Not too bad at all… Plus cash… I think they did fine here.

Ian_Smell
4 years 7 months ago

Um, ok.

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

AA has preached the last 2 days in interviews about how having Napoli gives Lind insurance at 1st Arencibia insurance at C and a DH on other days.. then he trades him for a reliever …

after signing rauch & dotel and acquiring Villanueva..

jwsox
4 years 7 months ago

molina gives them ins at C, EE is the ins at 1st and DH so trading napoli actually makes sense also depending on what they do with rivera he is 1st base ins also

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

EE isn’t insurance for anyone, he needs insurance (or a platoon partner) if anything..

and if Arencibia struggles at any facet of his game, Molina, offensively is not a good solution

jwsox
4 years 7 months ago

no but defensivly he is a decent catcher…plus there is always the older molina out there still maybe he might want to play with his brother again

bluejaysfan1990
4 years 7 months ago

EE is actually decent insurance at 1st since most of his errors at 3rd were throwing, he won’t be doing that as much. Plus he actually has a plus glove. If he can stay a bit consistent at the plate, then he might be a pretty decent 1 year plug.

Molina is not a very good offensive catcher, but he makes that up for his D. There’s always the factor that the jays are not really competing next year. Even if JP struggles and you let Molina take over, it doesn’t really affect him in the future. Next year is about giving him playing time, that’s fine, it allows him to struggle and work to get better for when the jays are competing. In fact, if the jays lose due to 1st year struggles, they get a higher pick in the draft. I think it comes down to the fact that the jays are just using EE and Molina as backups/one year plugs untill they are ready to compete in 2012/2013.

Sniderlover
4 years 7 months ago

Maybe Frasor is getting traded elsewhere? Way too many righties in the pen.

4 years 7 months ago

This is what I was thinking. There basically HAS to be another move, right?

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 7 months ago

cubs wanted him apparently

FRASOR FOR CASTRO

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

I approve of this trade

BrocNessMonster
4 years 7 months ago

The Castro that plays short stop? Bwahahaha yeah right. And I don’t give an eff about either of these teams.

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

he was clearly joking

BrocNessMonster
4 years 7 months ago

Oh it’s tough to tell with some of the clowns on here… (in other words, no, it wasn’t clear)

roberty
4 years 7 months ago

It was clearly sarcastic. Verbal irony, if you will. Hendry is an idiot, but nobody would trade their very young, very high ceiling shortstop of the future for a 33 year old reliever who would rather accept arbitration than test the free agent market. And that’s why it was funny.

bjsguess
4 years 7 months ago

Nobody would trade a valuable catching asset for an aging outfielder signed to one of the worst contracts in baseball history.

Castro for Francisco is more probable than Napoli for Wells.

roberty
4 years 7 months ago

One GM makes an incredibly stupid move and all baseball logic goes out the window. I guess sarcasm is off the table forever. Thanks a lot, Tony Reagins.

As asinine a trade as it was, it was essentially a team swapping one giant, horrible contract for two less horrible but still undesirable contracts. Don’t forget the Jays are on the hook for Juan Rivera as well, a $5.25 million outfielder who OPSed .721 last year.

Castro for Francosco would be a young, cost controlled possible future superstar shortstop for one year of an overpaid, inconsistent relief pitcher.

bjsguess
4 years 7 months ago

If you use the analysis that was suggested on Fangraphs today the Angels lost essentially $50m+ worth of value in that trade (difference between Wells’ expected WAR and his contract + the off-set of value in Napoli/Rivera).

Meanwhile, the Cubs will pay Castro a pre-arb salary for next year. Then they go into arb (if he ends up being a super 2) for the next 4 years (or arb for 3 years if he doesn’t qualify as a super 2). I have a hard time believing that Castro’s WAR value for the next 5 years offset against what he will earn through arb will result in a gap greater than $50m.

So, to address your point, trading Castro for Francisco would be LESS damaging to an organization than the Wells / Napoli deal (from a financial perspective). Obviously it would be a boneheaded decision but at least there is a precedent for making a mistake of such proportions.

roberty
4 years 7 months ago

It might be less damaging, but it would never happen.

BlueCatuli
4 years 7 months ago

You’re funny…

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

yah thats my guess.. but what would we get back for frasor?

then again whenever i think something AA does the opposite

So I’ll wait for the next post

Jays sign Jason Frasor to a 3 year deal worth 13 Million

Sniderlover
4 years 7 months ago

Haha no chance of that happening but I could see him getting traded an OF who could play CF. Obviously it won’t be a good starter or anything but perhaps someone who could be fill in.

I also wouldn’t be surprised if Napoli told AA he wants to play catcher instead of full-time DH. He’ll get that chance in Texas but he wouldn’t get that here.

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

your second point does make sense

4 years 7 months ago

maybe AA can trade Frasor to the Angels, afterall, he now has a new best friend in Reagins lol

shockey12
4 years 7 months ago

Frasor for Trout!

boyofsummer
4 years 7 months ago

Frasor for Tallet!

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 7 months ago

no joke, i would do this deal.
we have a gazillion RHRP, and Tallet destroys LHB

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

bahahaha

Lanidrac
4 years 7 months ago

Yeah, but the Cardinals are also quite a bit stronger on the RH side of their bullpen, so they wouldn’t do it.

MaineSox
4 years 7 months ago

For Wells, and the Angels pick up 50mil of his contract.

phillipmike
4 years 7 months ago

Actually the EE signing is trying to turn him into a draft pick. EE was close to being a type B free agent but his fielding percentage brought him down in the 2B/3B/SS category. AA brought him back into the mix on a very cheap deal as a 1B/DH because fielding percentage does not come into consideration when determining the status (A or B) of a free agent in the 1B/DH/OF category.

In the end it is a risk that he will net the Jays a draft pick next year. If he continues to hit like he did last year then AA will get another pick (likely a type B). If not it was worth the risk.

Fransico was a type A guy this off-season but accepted his arb, same with Frasor. With another good season they could be a type A free agent again, and the Jays get four picks as a product of them. Napoli was a Type A player in the off-season as well.

Rauch, Dotel, Villanueva, and Camp finished the season as type B players. They can net the Jays a sandwich pick if they continue to produce at the rate they did last season. AA targetted Dotel, Rauch and Dotel for that reason as well as having a strong pen for the young starters.

EE and Molina finished a few spots out of type B consideration. Letting Napoli go gives Molina and EE a chance to become a type B FA with more playing time (Napoli would play EE and Molina’s positions at 1B/C/DH). Factor in Fransico’s already type A status the Jays can net 4 draft picks as opposed to 2 if Napoli stays at a type A status (which is likely).

Fransico, EE, Molina > Napoli
4 potential draft picks (3 possible sandwich picks and a possibly 1st) > 2 draft picks (1 sandwich pick and a possibly first)

AA is a smart guy!

BlueJaysFan4Life
4 years 7 months ago

lol i totally agree but i do like the trade

4 years 7 months ago

Napoli will hit 40 bombs in TX

BrocNessMonster
4 years 7 months ago

If he gets 650 PA as the DH maybe… that OBP is pretty crappy though.

jwsox
4 years 7 months ago

Napoli will be a full time player for the rangers. they need that right handed power bat in there to balance is out…he will split time between C/DH and 1st getting most of his at bats at C but he will for sure be a full time player

bjsguess
4 years 7 months ago

His OBP is just fine. Last year sucked but historically Napoli is a typical 3 outcome hitter. K, BB, or HR.

The_Thrill_22
4 years 7 months ago

Huh?

monkeyspanked
4 years 7 months ago

Tony Reagins = Worst GM ever!

kdub53
4 years 7 months ago

hes got to be getting fired soon…

Jonathan Stone
4 years 7 months ago

You young guys forget Buzi Bavasi. You know, the guy who didn’t want to pay Nolan Ryan $1M? I think his greatest quote was “for a million bucks, I can get two guys to go 8-6.” (in reference to Ryan’s 16-12 record the previous season)

Now that guy was a bad GM. Reagins must be making a run for title, though

kdub53
4 years 7 months ago

hah great observation :)

BrocNessMonster
4 years 7 months ago

One of the LA guys… he or “Mr. Veteran Presence Guy” Ned.

drwheelock
4 years 7 months ago

I 2nd that…but Bavasi is pretty tough to beat!!!

The_Silver_Stacker
4 years 7 months ago

That Wells trade is carrer suicide. He should take notes from AA, who is quickly becoming one of the top GM’s in all of MLB

Infield Fly
4 years 7 months ago

Well at the very least, it clears some more space for Arencibia….

wickedkevin
4 years 7 months ago

Napoli will rake in Arlington.

4 years 7 months ago

I don’t get this one at all. Napoli was a great fit with the Jays, and this likely now means that Encarnacion is back as the DH. Unless the Jays are going to go and grab Vlad Guerrero for what would likely be a very cheap deal at this point.

Jays bullpen is overflowing now too, especially with righties. Francisco, Dotel, Rauch, Frasor, Camp, Villaneuva, Jansenn all righties, then you add in David Purcey and potentially Jesse Carlson, not to mention Josh Roenicke.

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

smells like a trade.. you have to imagine Jfras is on his way out

jwsox
4 years 7 months ago

all this means is they could now swing a trade for either a DH, 1stbasemen or 3rdbasemen(moving joey bats back to right) with all their BP guys…and you dont want rauch or dotel closing at least fransisco is a decent closer this is a good move for both teams

deere5800
4 years 7 months ago

ohh, trade for a 3b…I like that idea.

TheBunk
4 years 7 months ago

Which kills the versatility the Jays gained with Napoli…I really don’t like this move.

4 years 7 months ago

Agreed.

PJaysW
4 years 7 months ago

Best.Name.Ever.

Stopgaps at first til Votto is available?

55saveslives
4 years 7 months ago

Too bad….Napoli was a great Blue Jay!

jwsox
4 years 7 months ago

i dont know man… slash line of .00/.000/.000 thats not that great..

sporkless
4 years 7 months ago

But as a Blue Jay he never made an error. Hell, he never even made an out!

John LeClair
4 years 7 months ago

I think the Blue Jays will retire his number!!! True Class Act, and Great in the Club House!!!

wickedkevin
4 years 7 months ago

Okay okay, it is safe to say he set some records in Toronto.

jwsox
4 years 7 months ago

this is very very true his UZR must be huge!

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

perfect fielding % though

jwsox
4 years 7 months ago

thats what im saying he will go down in history as the blue jays best defensive catcher tired with olivo

chicothekid
4 years 7 months ago

actually, his fielding is 0, so he’s technically the WORST ever.

$1529282
4 years 7 months ago

It’s the same slash line Miguel Olivo put up for them, and he netted a supplemental pick. :)

4 years 7 months ago

He was even better than Michael Taylor.

4 years 7 months ago

What has happened to Michael Taylor? I followed his progress a bit when he was in the Phillies farm system.

WrigleyTerror37
4 years 7 months ago

Napoli’s flippy floppy

4 years 7 months ago

…And the Blue Jays turn the knife. It must suck to be an Angels fan right now.

-C

4 years 7 months ago

yes it does.

Adam
4 years 7 months ago

What? I mean…. WHAT?!?! I’m failing to understand the logic here, but whatever. Looks like Toronto will be seeking another DH. Cue Vlad?

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

Maybe he just really really wants Encarnacion to be DH

Adam
4 years 7 months ago

I mean, I guess… I understand that this is another bridge year and we’re clearly not going to want to compete, but still… I dunno. Seems weird. But then again, if we’re not going to compete, what does it matter anyway, right? Maybe Napoli and AA couldn’t work out an extension, or maybe he just didn’t want to be here? We’ll see…

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

doubt he didn’t want to be here..

I think that something else is coming, and then it will make sense..

Perhaps bringing in a 3rd baseman

Adam
4 years 7 months ago

Hmm…. it just seems kinda iffy right now. But for the sake of fun and wasting time, lets play the “what if” game.
What if nothing else is coming? Then what? Does it still make sense?

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

no. then it doesn’t make much sense..

but in the end if the deal is Rivera + Francisco for Vernon Wells + 86 million..

its still a damn good trade

Adam
4 years 7 months ago

I mean, of course. It’s good for what it is. We trade Wells, get rid of his albatross of a contract, get Riveria and Francisco, along with some cash in return? I’ll take it, but it just seemed like we lost some much needed power in our lineup. Maybe it’s just me, I dunno.

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

to be honest the last thing this lineup needs is more power..

if AA can swing a reliever and a young prospect arm in to someone who is good defensively and can get on base, then the team will be much better off

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 7 months ago

Not to mention whatever coin they got from Texas, that $86mil off the books is actually higher.

jwsox
4 years 7 months ago

a good pitching staff+ a very good very deep bullpen+a decent defensive team+ an offensive team that will be at the tops again…yeah it has the possibility to make sense if nothing else happens and the amount of money cleared this off season too dont forget that

drwheelock
4 years 7 months ago

Chone Figgins anyone? You heard it here first!!!

jwsox
4 years 7 months ago

probably possible not going to lie…2 BP guys and rivera for figgens…no cash changing at all the jays dont get any and the M’s dont get any….slot figgens at thrid and move bats back to right figgens 1 YE-2 bats 3rd hill 4th lind 5th Catcher 6th EE 7th snyder 8th davis 9th decent line up

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

3rd hill? huh what??

you land figgins

and you do

Figgins 3b
esco ss
lind 1b
Jbau rf
snider lf
encarnacion/vlad/ guy with a bat/ dh
hill 2b
arencibia c
davis cf

lind returning to his 2009 form, and jbau hitting 35 jacks and that team just misses the wild card

okbluejays
4 years 7 months ago

ewwww please god no.

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

not really, I’ve been preaching that for months!

Andy Mc
4 years 7 months ago

me too.

BrocNessMonster
4 years 7 months ago

Have a DH that can play the field if he has to isn’t the worst idea. Not that EE is good but…

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 7 months ago

EE would be the worst DH in the AL!

4 years 7 months ago

I think AA as something big in mind. Another blockbuster trade coming up?

4 years 7 months ago

maybe it’s in the cards for AA to deal for a 1B, or he’s planning on signing Vlad….I’m sure there’s more to come.

In AA we trust, all others (including the Rangers and Angels) pay cash!

TheBunk
4 years 7 months ago

Napoli for bullpen help? ehhhhh, I don’t really like this on the surface.