NL East Notes: Chipper, Werth, Rollins

The Mets made a minor trade and the Marlins are finalizing their roster. Here's the latest from the other NL East teams…


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Threat_Level_RedSox
4 years 5 months ago

I wouldnt say $126 mil “lured Werth”, it ran him down like a deer in the head lights.

Brad426
4 years 5 months ago

Being about Chipper’s age, I can total relate to something hurting every day. I apparently pulled a hammy while I was asleep the other day, so I feel ya Chip.

Ray R
4 years 5 months ago

It only gets better as you get older. These days, my shoulders and wrists hurt so often I actually notice when they don’t hurt. Maybe I should think about attempting a comeback.

Hey, Ben – know of any teams looking a 46 year old catcher?

Brad426
4 years 5 months ago

You’d be the second oldest catcher in the league behind Pudge…

BravesRed
4 years 5 months ago

Who is available for the Braves to get?

4 years 5 months ago

They’ll probably end up snagging someone in waivers or making a minor trade. Ideally, they want a right-handed bench guy who can play 1B.

Wish they would’ve worked with David Ross at 1B this spring…….guy has led the team in OPS the past two years(small sample size, I know), wouldn’t hurt to give him more PA’s.

4 years 5 months ago

Nick Evans. 1B/LF, was drafted as a 3B. He’s a right-handed Eric Hinske.

NYBravosFan10
4 years 5 months ago

My hometown is where the Mets AA squad is based out of so I’ve seen lots of Nick Evans. The dude has crazy talent.

Brad426
4 years 5 months ago

Mike Cameron and Aaron Rowand via trade are options Ben listed in December. They both hit lefties well and can play CF…

4 years 5 months ago

The Red Sox or Giants would have to eat a lot of their salaries for either of those to happen. It’s also been two years since Rowand hit lefties with any sort of authority.

Brad426
4 years 5 months ago

Agreed, and I can’t see the Giants eating enough for the Braves to be interested in Rowand. Just pointed out that Ben listed them as trade candidates. Ryan Spilborghs, too, now that I go back and re-read his article.

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start_wearing_purple
4 years 5 months ago

Why on Earth would the Sox eat salary to trade Cameron? They have no reason or wish to trade him since he provides great depth for the outfield and wants to stay on the Sox. The only way they do trade him is if a team makes an overwhelming offer.

4 years 5 months ago

I know that, but they’d have to eat salary for the Braves to be able to afford him. Which is why it won’t happen.

Brad426
4 years 5 months ago

Ben said, yell at Ben. YELL AT HIM!

BravesRed
4 years 5 months ago

I’m sorry, but if a team offered to eat all his contract and offer something, he would be gone. No one is willing to pay his whole contract because he’s over paid for a backup OF. His defense isn’t good. His hitting isn’t good either.

4 years 5 months ago

Mike Cameron is an excellent defensive outfielder and is a consistent .800 OPS guy as a starter. Even through his injury-plagued 2010, he was a hell of a lot more productive than anything the Braves threw out there.

4 years 5 months ago

Cameron: 180 PA’s, .729 OPS

Diaz: 244 PA’s, .739 OPS

Both had the same WAR according to baseball-reference, 0.8. Somehow Diaz ended up with a better dWAR….

notsureifsrs
4 years 5 months ago

180 and 240 PA samples? srs?

4 years 5 months ago

Yes, ‘srs’. Jake said this……

“Even through his injury-plagued 2010, he was a hell of a lot more productive than anything the Braves threw out there.”

So how does what I just said above not correctly apply to this situation? Same WAR, roughly the same OPS. So my point is that Cameron(LAST YEAR) wasn’t ‘a hell of a lot better’ than Diaz(LAST YEAR).

notsureifsrs
4 years 5 months ago

spot on, in that case. i can’t read or write

4 years 5 months ago

No worries man. Sorry for the aggressiveness, been hanging out with Frenchy lately.

4 years 5 months ago

Meant in CF. Sorry for the confusion.

4 years 5 months ago

I should’ve caught that, and in that you’d be correct. Cameron was more productive offensively and especially defensively than Ankiel, Melky, Blanco, and especially McLouth.

BravesRed
4 years 5 months ago

I don’t find him useful.

notsureifsrs
4 years 5 months ago

“4 win players are just kinda blah”

BravesRed
4 years 5 months ago

Yea, two years ago.

notsureifsrs
4 years 5 months ago

two, three, and five years ago. 2007 was a defensive anomaly and he didn’t play in 2010

notsureifsrs
4 years 5 months ago

he’s only a backup OFer because they have 3 very good outfielders. he starts on most teams, and isn’t overpaid

BravesRed
4 years 5 months ago

Crawford and who else? Ellsbury? Who they tried trading. I only see Crawford. Most 4th outfielders are paid a few million, Cameron makes over $7 million, that’s called overpaid.

notsureifsrs
4 years 5 months ago

sigh

cameron, a perennial 4-win player, was signed to a modest contract to be a starting outfielder. he was replaced only by carl freaking crawford, the guy who is 6th in all of baseball in total WAR since 2009

BravesRed
4 years 5 months ago

Cameron lost his job to J.D. DREW. When you lose your job to him, you obviously suck.

notsureifsrs
4 years 5 months ago

j.d. drew gave 8.5 WAR to the braves and has given 11.4 to boston over the past three years. he’s quite good. having said that, your claim is weird and wrong

drew was signed in 2007 and has been the everyday RFer since then

in 2010, mike cameron was signed to play CF with ellsbury in left and drew in right. cameron was injured all year

in 2011, boston signed carl crawford to play left field, moving ellsbury back to center

your summary of this story is “j.d. drew took mike cameron’s job”

Brad426
4 years 5 months ago

Brace yourself…

notsureifsrs
4 years 5 months ago

ATLANTA WILL RESPECT DAVID JONATHAN DREW

4 years 5 months ago

No idea why so many people are down on Drew. He gets banged up often, but he’s been one of the most productive right-fielders in the AL for years.

And BravesRed, what on earth are you thinking?

4 years 5 months ago

Lets try a little game.

“Joe Blanton is only a #5 starter because the Phillies have four very good pitchers. He’s a #2 or #3 on most teams, and isn’t overpaid”

Wow, I can’t even bring my self to believe my own words, let alone yours…

notsureifsrs
4 years 5 months ago

joe blanton’s cumulative WAR over the last 3 seasons (92 starts): 6.0

mike cameron’s cumulative WAR over the last 3 seasons (317 of 486 games): 8.3

blanton’s avg. WAR per 30-start season: 2.0

cameron’s avg. WAR per150-game season: 3.9

blanton’s salary: $8.5M

cameron’s salary: $7.5M

if you’re not capable of discerning the important differences here, you’re probably not capable of learning from anything else i could say to you. so glwt

dc21892
4 years 5 months ago

Boston wouldn’t do it. Why pay for such a capable backup at all three OF positions when they can pay him to spare Drew, Crawford and Ellsbury. Also, Cameron is a proven right handed bat coming off the bench on a left handed heavy team.

4 years 5 months ago

I wouldn’t expect them to. Just stating that if it were to happen, they’d have to eat some of his salary because the Braves couldn’t afford him.

Threat_Level_RedSox
4 years 5 months ago

If Cameron is traded it probably won’t be until the middle of june. With Kalish being the likely 4th OF in the event of a trade the sox probably would avoid letting Kalish gain 107 days of sevice time to delay his arbitration anouther season.

notsureifsrs
4 years 5 months ago

there would be no reason to give up cameron unless they were out of contention. he is a stellar defensive player at every outfield position and mashes lefties. kalish is good, but left-handed

4 years 5 months ago

If we want a RH bench bat, look no farther than Nick Evans that was just waived by the Mets. Always has hit lefties well and has a .891 OPS vs LHP in the majors.

4 years 5 months ago

I feel they’ll target Evans if he isn’t claimed first. Still though, that .891 OPS is in 132 PA’s. Could mean absolutely nothing.

4 years 5 months ago

He’s also got an extensive track record of hitting LHP in the minors. BA had something up on him just the other day.

4 years 5 months ago

“Chipper Jones says the hardest part of getting older is that something hurts every day”.
Chipper could have said this when he was 19 and it would have still rang true for him. He is the definition of “injury prone”.

Brad426
4 years 5 months ago

You should go back and look at his games played totals (averaged 133 games played per season in 17 seasons despite the injury-plagued seasons he had in 05, 06, and 10.) He averaged 155 games per year his first 9 full seasons…

notsureifsrs
4 years 5 months ago

and while all of you are on his stat page, please review his career numbers: .306/.405/.536 with a career wOBA of .402

many of you probably already know this, but it is worth acknowledging whenever possible: chipper good

4 years 5 months ago

What? You mean to tell me that he started breaking down with age?!?!?!

4 years 5 months ago

Wonder if the Braves tried to get Luke Hughes instead of Bullock. Hughes would be a decent bench player if someone had room for him. Sadly, we’re wasting roster spots on nothings like Tolbert, Repko, and Perkins.

friscofan101
4 years 5 months ago

rowand to the braves with the giants eating all but like 4 mil. giants get back any minor league player who is fast.

4 years 5 months ago

Kamikami count as a minor leaguer who is fast?

friscofan101
4 years 5 months ago

i would trade rowand for kk with the giants eating the difference in salaries.

coolstorybro222
4 years 5 months ago

Just because we want to get rid of him fast, doesn’t mean he is.

Phillies34
4 years 5 months ago

And BravesRed, they have an option for Oswalt, which will be exercised by both sides if he pitches well, and Hamels still has a year of arbitration after this year and will be a Phillie after 2012, I can guarantee you that.

BravesRed
4 years 5 months ago

As I already stated, three sites say free agent after the season for Hamels. And, as I stated twice, they can’t afford Oswalt and Hamels.

BravesRed
4 years 5 months ago

I was wrong on Hamels. He is arbitration eligible.

nm344
4 years 5 months ago

What happened to the 3 different sites? LOL

Phillies34
4 years 5 months ago

They can afford both of them next year. Their payroll would not be much more next year than this year. Yes, Lee’s salary increases quite a bit, but they also lose the 11.5 million dollars that Ibanez takes up this year. Rollins’ salary will increase when they sign him to a new deal and Hamels will get more in arbitration. However, once we are relieved of the heart attack every 9th inning that is Brad Lidge after this season, his salary will also be off the payroll. If they want both of them next year, they’ll have them both next year.

4 years 5 months ago

Well, here’s the thing.

Say Oswalt has more or less his usual year in 2010, but the Phillies offense disappoints(which is looking like a solid possibility). You can pick up Oswalt’s $16 million option, but that’s going to significantly help prevent you from once again acquiring proven hitters and/or depth for an aging club. Since the Phillies already have Hamels, Halladay, Lee, and Blanton under contract for 2012……I think it’d be wise for the Phillies to decline Oswalt’s $16 million and go after some offense and a couple of back-end options for the pen. They’ll still have THREE aces, as well as Blanton……so why not make it priority to fill other holes? I just think that with Hamels raise, Rollins re-signing(obviously an assumption at this point), Utley being a year away from FA, and Lee’s increasing salary that spending $16 million on one pitcher they probably don’t need wouldn’t be the greatest idea in the world if there are other areas that need to be addressed(and there will be).

vonhayesdays
4 years 5 months ago

yeah could be right, might rather have another position player rather than oswalt although not sure who is available , but it couldnt hurt to have another stick

4 years 5 months ago

It depends on a lot of factors that have yet to be determined, I just think that picking up Oswalts option isn’t wise if there’s a decent chance that it’s going to hurt them in filling other holes.

Then again, the Phillies keep signing/trading for elite players while giving up very little and keeping their farm system in tact. I wouldn’t be totally shocked to see them send Blanton to New York for Cano……

Ok, I would…..but you see what I’m getting at.

vonhayesdays
4 years 5 months ago

how do you know they cant afford them both , you must be the only braves fan working in the phillies front office

4 years 5 months ago

Who do you think brought up the idea to give Howard $20-$25 million per?

4 years 5 months ago

Who cares? 4 aces = 2011, 2012, World Series Champs.

4 years 5 months ago

If I am remember correctly the Phils went through brutal stretches last year when they couldn’t hit..
Why so confident?

BravesRed
4 years 5 months ago

2/4 of those aces are free agents in 2011.

Brad426
4 years 5 months ago

The two “worst” ones…

CaseyBlakeDeWitt
4 years 5 months ago

Halladay and Lee are both signed for longer, Oswalt has an option for 2012, and Hamels will still be arbitration eligible after the season so I’m not sure how you figure 2 of the 4 aces are free agents

4 years 5 months ago

I thought I laid the sarcasm on pretty thick…

4 years 5 months ago

Why so confident? This isn’t a Chris Nolan film, my friend. This is real life mate….

Roy Halladay
Cliff Lee
Roy Oswalt
Cole Hamels

Offense? Practice? Why would the greatest rotation in history need good offense behind them? The Braves proved that pitching gets you to the playoffs and once you’re there you’ve got a damn good(1/14) chance of winning the World Series.

BravesRed
4 years 5 months ago

And, when those two “worst” ones leave, who do they have left as the third starter? Blanton I believe.

Brad426
4 years 5 months ago

Or Brady Colvin. Or Jesse Biddle. Or Trevor May. I’m a Braves fan, dude, but other teams have farm systems, too.

vonhayesdays
4 years 5 months ago

i cant see hamels leaving cause the phils will throw serious jack at him and he does alot of community work in and around philly and seems to like the area but oswalt is probably good as gone ,and then blanton would be a number 4 but hopefully by then one of cossart , colvin or may all top 100 prospects will be ready for the big leagues , but that might be more like 2012 and a half

vonhayesdays
4 years 5 months ago

and the phillies farm was rated 10th overall

dylanp5030
4 years 5 months ago

Brody

notsureifsrs
4 years 5 months ago

oswalt can opt out of his option and probably should

BravesRed
4 years 5 months ago

Three different sites confirm that Hamels will be a free agent after the season. Can Phillies afford Oswalt and Hamels, and that is answer is no.

BravesRed
4 years 5 months ago

Hamels might stay, but if someone offers him more, he’s most likely gone, and the free agent market is very thin next offseason. Oswalt will be gone, they can’t afford Hamels and Oswalt come 2012. I don’t know that much about Phillies prospects, so are those pitchers gonna be ready?

vonhayesdays
4 years 5 months ago

sure anything is possible i mean i didnt think jayson werth was gonna get 126mil and not have to give us first round pick so , yeah but i wouldnt say phils cant afford somebody , they spend money and will do so to keep a guy who they drafted and brought through their system, ie howard, utley, rollins and the prospects are more likely to be ready in 2013 but half way between 2012 and 2013 wouldnt be crazy.

halleeday28
4 years 5 months ago

dude, he ain’t leaving. 100% guarantee. but, oswalt will probably walk (or retire)

4 years 5 months ago

FYI – Hamels will still be arbitration eligible – he’ll only become a free agent if the Phillies don’t offer him arbitration (never happen) or if they can’t come to terms on a new multi-year deal.

4 years 5 months ago

Man, just be content that the Braves are finally back in contention and look to stay that way for a while. As a Braves fan, I’m obviously anticipating the demise of the Phillies……but I think they’ll be contenders for at least 2-3 more years. They’ve got some tough decisions to make, but I’ve learned not to underestimate that club, at least for the time being.

Brad426
4 years 5 months ago

Amen. Well said.

Brad426
4 years 5 months ago

Oh yeah, him too. Braves fan… give me some play for getting close on a rival’s prospects.