Red Sox Notes: Buchholz, Beckett, Wakefield

The Red Sox beat the Cardinals in Florida today even though they allowed seven runs. Here are the latest updates on the BoSox, with an emphasis on the team's pitching staff…


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41 Comments on "Red Sox Notes: Buchholz, Beckett, Wakefield"


dc21892
4 years 5 months ago

Great news about Beckett.

Threat_Level_RedSox
4 years 5 months ago

Am i the only one who notice’s Beckett is good every other year.

notsureifsrs
4 years 5 months ago

you’re not the only one to make it up

2007: 6.5 WAR
2008: 5.1 WAR
2009: 5.4 WAR

other “not good” 5.1 WAR pitchers: c.c. sabathia and tim lincecum last year

RedSox31
4 years 5 months ago

I didn’t realize his WAR was that high for 2008. Though if you add in 2006 and 2010, it looks a little more like he’s only good every other year

notsureifsrs
4 years 5 months ago

if you account for his injury last year, you have a guy who had been excellent for three straight years in the AL East and then had a down year after an injury. i don’t know why you would reach back almost 5 years for data unless you had an axe to grind – which is most “beckett is overrated” commenters do

0bsessions
4 years 5 months ago

Beckett’s overall quality in 2008 is hugely misconceived due to the emergence of Lester and the fact he was having back issues in the playoffs. He actually had a great regular season (Which went unnoticed due to Lester having a great season too).

Threat_Level_RedSox
4 years 5 months ago

Are you useing fangraphs? Baseballrefrence.com has it listed his war listed as-
2006: 1.9
2007: 4.7
2008: 3.3
2009: 4.2
2010: -1.0

When i say good i mean 200 IP, 200 K, 3+ ERA, the ace status numbers, Im just sayeing he seems to play at a higher level every other year.

notsureifsrs
4 years 5 months ago

rWAR is awful, but: another “not good” pitcher: tim lincecum (3.5 rWAR) last year (200 IP, 200K, 3+ ERA)

i suggest you flesh out a standard that makes sense, and i suggest that standard be FIP or something like it

wickedkevin
4 years 5 months ago

Tim Wakefield, now and forever.

Green_Monster
4 years 5 months ago

He is amazing, when he retires, he should stay in the Organization. Him and Tek.

wickedkevin
4 years 5 months ago

I demand his number be retired!

Jslonim2
4 years 5 months ago

Who care bout the red sox go yanks!!!!!!!!

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 5 months ago

Cue the sound of Crickets!

Green_Monster
4 years 5 months ago

Well, I dont no what ur talkin bout so you can stop k?

roomwithamoose
4 years 5 months ago

1. It’s a Red Sox thread 2. even as yankees fansyou should probably care about the sox cause they are always one of our 2 biggest challenges each year. you may not like them, but that’s proof you care albeit negatively…I’m a yankees fan btw I just don’t like all of us looking this bad due to people with comments like yours…

Slopeboy
4 years 5 months ago

Is that another voice in the Wilderness, I hear?

As a Yankees fan, I make it a point to keep away from the piffing matches that go on this site between Red Sox and Yanks all the time. I find them silly and childish and somethings right down cruel, especially when it’s directed at player injuries.
What galls the stuffings out of me is when SOME Sox fans demean Yankees fans by calling us stupid or ignorant just because they disagree with an opinion.
The sad thing is that when some Yanks fan like Jacob says something that IS actually stupid and cruel and childish, it gives those fans more fodder to use.

I know it’s not going to change anytime soon, but I thought you should be aware that you’re not alone. Good Job!!

rickjimbo
4 years 5 months ago

Exactly. It’s all baseball guys. I am an avid red sox fan and love to see reasonable sports fans speak up when things get childish. Both of our teams are huge market east coast teams that spend a lot of money. A lot of my best friends are lifelong Yanks fan (believe it or not one from Malborough, MA) and more often than not I see more similarity between our fan bases than anything else.

4 years 5 months ago

Does it gall you as much as when SOME Yankees fans call Sox fans stupid or ignorant just because they disagree with the Sox fan’s opinion? It’s a two-way street pal, make sure you treat it as such. Don’t just single out “some” Red Sox fans because both sides are guilty.

roomwithamoose
4 years 5 months ago

it does bother because it just results in stupid banter and then we look bad. we’re not singling out red sox. this is all in response to a yankees fan acting a fool. THere are other things we need to worry about than dealing with stupid homers on each side, for example the the horrible thought of palin as president, and her really wanting to press that that shiny red button.

Slopeboy
4 years 5 months ago

Yes. You win this match, pal.

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 5 months ago

Thank god it good-year Beckett in 2011!

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 5 months ago

It’ll be a sad day when Wake and Tek finally retire! Classy players who made Sox fans proud!

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 5 months ago

What’s even worse is that Wake was so close to passing Cy Young and Clemens for the Red Sox Win Record!

wickedkevin
4 years 5 months ago

It’s a true shame he won’t hold the record.

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 5 months ago

Sorta like how Joba and CC are on a mission to put fast food restaurants out of business!

Vmmercan
4 years 5 months ago

You didn’t quite make it to supply and demand in Economics class, did you?

MaineSox
4 years 5 months ago

That would imply that he actually TOOK an economics class.

stl_cards16
4 years 5 months ago

What are Joba and CC trying to do again?

Slopeboy
4 years 5 months ago

Can you please explain?

4 years 5 months ago

Mike Jones?

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 5 months ago

i didn’t quite catch that. could you repeat what you said?

Guest
4 years 5 months ago

That deserves a ban.

sundancekid2
4 years 5 months ago

thought you would be all over the fact that Greinke is going on DL with cracked ribs

stl_cards16
4 years 5 months ago

They pick and choose injuries to report. You tell them one, and “it’s not their thing” Then you see “Adam Wainwright could be out for season” “Chris Carpenter to skip a start due to hamstring”

notsureifsrs
4 years 5 months ago

tim dierkes is a cubs fan it is all a big conspiracy right

stl_cards16
4 years 5 months ago

Not at all, I could care less if they report injuries. I didn’t really mean that in a bad way (now that I re-read it, it kind of sounds bad) This is my favorite, most visited website. You can get the hard facts anywhere, we are all here for the rumors.

Slopeboy
4 years 5 months ago

Rumors!!? I don’t come here for no friggen rumors! I come here for the passionate and intellectual discourse!

Slopeboy
4 years 5 months ago

Looks as if you hit a nerve, as the the greinke story is up. Good Job!!

pft2
4 years 5 months ago

Buchholtz extension may be held up until after opening day as the Red Sox are up against the salary tax threshold. Same situations as Adrian Gonzalez. Of course, if he is not willing to give up any FA years he probably does not get a multi-year deal as Theo is on record as saying this is the only reason to give cost controlled players a multi-year deal

As for the discussion on Beckett, he faced the Astros AAAA team, so the results mean little. Even last year he pitched well against weak hitting teams.

While Becketts back is a good excuse for 2010, he did not hurt his back until the 2nd week in May when he was swinging a bat in in preparation for interleague play. His performance in his last 9 starts in 2009 (ERA 6.02) , and his first 7 pre-injury starts in 2010 (ERA 7.46) were awful.

Green_Monster
4 years 5 months ago

Like Berkman did to A-rod last year? Man, I love when you make stupid comments.

Fangaffes
4 years 5 months ago

You must get a kick out of nearly every Red Sox thread then.