Beltran Would Consider Giants; Wants More Offense

Carlos Beltran won’t rule out the possibility of returning to San Francisco when he hits free agency after the season, but he’d like to see the Giants add some offense first, according to Andrew Baggarly of the San Jose Mercury News. The expected return of Buster Posey and Freddy Sanchez won’t necessarily be enough. 

"I would consider this organization for sure, because the pitching is unbelievable, and adding  [Posey and Sanchez] back, of course you're adding more offense to the ballclub," Beltran said."But I believe there should be a little bit more than that." 

Beltran suggested that the Giants could use a leadoff hitter to improve an offense that currently ranks last in the National League in runs scored. Though the Scott Boras client doesn’t particularly like hitting in AT&T Park, he’s says that’s secondary to playing for a winning team.

A two-year, $22MM deal would likely stretch the Giants' budget, Baggarly writes. The asking price for the 34-year-old Beltran figures to be even higher. Outgoing CEO Bill Neukom suggested yesterday that Boras will start the bidding for Beltran at five or six years, according to John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle.


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69 Comments on "Beltran Would Consider Giants; Wants More Offense"


3 years 10 months ago

I’m not sure which is worse here: Beltran whining about a need for more offense before he’ll consider resigning with a team that overpaid to acquire him or Boras thinking that Beltran is worthy of a 5-6 year deal.

Crucisnh
3 years 10 months ago

Frankly, the latter.  I can’t blame Beltran for wanting to play for a winner at this point in his career.  But Boras is delusional if he thinks that Beltran is worth a 5-6 year deal at this point.  As another poster said, he’ll be lucky to get a 2 year deal.

East Coast Bias
3 years 10 months ago

Delusional? Or just plain smart? He always shoots high initially: ask for the sun, so when you end up with the moon, it’s not that bad.

Just_Da_damaja
3 years 10 months ago

u mean like Johnny Damon and the Yankees ?

Wasnt he asking for a 5 year deal for 15 mil a year…ends on a 1 year deal for 5 or something like that ?
 

Crucisnh
3 years 10 months ago

I think that there’s smart “shooting for the moon” and delusional “shooting for the moon”.  I think that this is the latter.

Something like 3 yrs or 3 yrs + 1 option year might be a less delusional
version of “shooting for the moon”, IMO.  This isn’t 7-10 years ago
when roid-powered players were playing productively til they were 40 and
beyond.  35 yrs old is once again what it used to be … the age when
players’ production usually start dropping off.

And if Beltran isn’t careful and doesn’t keep a tight rein on Boras, he
could end up in the same boat as Damon, as Jdd described.

East Coast Bias
3 years 10 months ago

You and @Just_da_damaja:disqus  are not wrong, but I do think Boras will get his way most of the time, and that Damon was one of the few times things didn’t go his way.

Crucisnh
3 years 10 months ago

ECB, I think that an agent needs a certain degree of realism when his client is older, as opposed to younger. With Ellsbury, for example, Boras can easily get really crazy. Ells is still quite young and someone will pony up a contract for him.

But with an older guy, I think that the agent needs a little more finesse, because teams could just ignore the player and look elsewhere, since most of these older players aren’t the special talents they were when they were younger, and getting too greedy may cause the player not end up with a job.

Crucisnh
3 years 10 months ago

Frankly, the latter.  I can’t blame Beltran for wanting to play for a winner at this point in his career.  But Boras is delusional if he thinks that Beltran is worth a 5-6 year deal at this point.  As another poster said, he’ll be lucky to get a 2 year deal.

Bust A Posey
3 years 10 months ago

I agree. I was at the game last sat against the dodgers. There was one out and a runner on 2nd. A ball was hit to him and he caught it. He thought there was two outs and he jogged in and the runner tagged up when he started coming in. That was the 2nd time he did that. That said this is what I would like to see next year
Crisp cf
Rayes ss
Posey c
Beltran Rf
Sandeval 3rd
Sanchez/ kep 2nd
Belt lf
Pill 1st

Bluebirdz
3 years 10 months ago

I think u r forgetting about a certain Aubrey huff who I can’t imagine is much worse than pill

CAD_Monkey
3 years 10 months ago

As long as they keep him away from the outfield at all times, why not?

CAD_Monkey
3 years 10 months ago

As long as they keep him away from the outfield at all times, why not?

BlackDahliaMurder24
3 years 10 months ago

After all the injuries this year you would want to add two players in reyes and beltran who have had trouble staying healthy in the past?

Plus there’s no way they can afford both.

Bust A Posey
3 years 10 months ago

I do believe the giants will have the stadium paid off by the end of the year. They can put more towards players. They made a ton of money this year. If they can get both they will sell out every game next year like this year

Dan Wohl
3 years 10 months ago

Beltran is exactly right and any Giants fan who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. This team is not a healthy Posey and Sanchez away from being good offensively. Losing Posey hurt, but as I’ve been saying all along, Sanchez a. is pretty overrated and b. was replaced by Jeff Keppinger who statistically is almost an identical player. Their best shot at injecting offense into the team was to give Belt a legitimate shot, but instead they chose to screw with him endlessly and may have destroyed his confidence/career as a result.

Bust A Posey
3 years 10 months ago

Giants need a cf leadoff hitter like crisp to bridge brown and another 300 hitter like rayes with beltran

mikeclyne
3 years 10 months ago

Beltran needs to go AL…will only be a regular player for so much longer…
 
Boston as a (future) replacement for Ortiz or in RF?
Baltimore to replace Vlad
Angels if they could ever get rid of Abreu…
Seattle hmmm he could replace anyone!

 

Crucisnh
3 years 10 months ago

I don’t disagree with your basic premise about Beltran needing to go to the AL at his age.  But I don’t see it in Boston.  The Sox already have a couple of in-house options for replacing Ortiz, if need be.  A) Shifting Youk to DH (cuz he’s getting badly beaten up playing 3B, or B) Ryan Lavarnway, perhaps their best hitting prospect who’s a DH/backup catcher sort of player.  

As for RF, I don’t really see the Sox wanting to spend any money there.  The Sox are already staring down the road at a really big potential contract to keep Ellsbury around, as well as a number of already contractually built-in raises for a number of players.  Most knowledgeable Sox fans I know seem to think that they’ll probably just go cheap in RF, and stick with Reddick, and hope that Kalish is ready later next season.

Just_Da_damaja
3 years 10 months ago

Maybe cuz Beltran is 35 and wants to win a WS ?

He’ll probably end up in the AL East…either the Yanks, Boston or Tampa Bay ( if he takes a serious pay cut )

elmedius
3 years 10 months ago

he wont end up in boston if the conversation starts at 5-6 years.  they dont do long term deals past 35 or so.  its a stretch for them to go beyond year to year at that age even if they are productive fan favorites.  (see david ortiz, mike lowell, etc)

wont end up in new york because it makes more sense to excercise swishers option and theyre better off with gardner and granderson.  no dh room with them either.

rays – see aforementioned serious paycut

baltimore – ehhh…. you seen how much they arent paying vlad?  theyll be more in the market for prince.

toronto – probably wont spend a ton on a long term outfielder any time soon… alex rios and vernon wells saw to that.  but maybe?

so ill have to disagree with the idea that he ends up in the AL east.  he makes more sense serving as a veteran influence and constant bat in a young lineup like kansas city or cleveland to me.   or maybe even st louis if they lose pujols and retain berkman at first?  atlanta in left could work too, but that position has been a black hole for them since ron gant….

Just_Da_damaja
3 years 10 months ago

LOL at 5 years…

Beltran will BE LUCKY to get 2 years…

Crucisnh
3 years 10 months ago

Agreed.  Teams are getting much more cautious with older (i.e. 35+ yo) players.

East Coast Bias
3 years 10 months ago

5 years? no way. At most, a 3 year deal.

elmedius
3 years 10 months ago

i think 5 years is crazy too, but i didnt come up with it.  the article did. 

“Outgoing CEO Bill Neukom suggested yesterday that Boras will start the bidding for Beltran at five or six years, according to John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle.”

Crucisnh
3 years 10 months ago

Frankly, I’m not sure that a 3 year deal wouldn’t also be “crazy” for an aging guy with his injury history.

Just_Da_damaja
3 years 10 months ago

2 years…20 mil with a team option for a 3rd year is the ABSOLUTE MAX i would offer..

10 mil a year wont hurt anyone for the level of production he gives…

Crucisnh
3 years 10 months ago

I agree on the years… 2 + an option.  He might be able to get more money in some places, but 10M per is probably a pretty good guess.

Just_Da_damaja
3 years 10 months ago

had he stayed healthy all year…maybe..but with the wrist…the flu….he is getting the injury prone label back…

HummBaby
3 years 10 months ago

No more than 2 years for an aging star whose performance is starting to drop off. Knowing Sabean he’ll push hard to sign him for 5-6 years $99 million tho.

3 years 10 months ago

Beltran is worth a 3yr deal max – yes we will be overpaying but our window to win is RIGHT NOW!  I’d rather go for it hardcore the next 2 yrs and suffer the consequences of a 38 yr old Beltran simply because he gives us the best chance to get back to the playoffs with this pitching staff the next couple years

bayareabeast
3 years 10 months ago

i dont want any former mets on the team…unless his first name starts with a D and last name starts with a W, but that’ll never happen

Just_Da_damaja
3 years 10 months ago

David West ?

TheFreak2011
3 years 10 months ago

Where would David Wright play?  Third base is taken.

Ta-Kuan Fuan
3 years 10 months ago

Trade Panda to upgrade other positions if that happens.

bayareabeast
3 years 10 months ago

i love pablo and hope hes a giant for his entire career..shoot i bet he would be down to even play some 2b if he had to, not often you find a guy who just loves playing ball and is a great clubhouse guy that doesnt get caught up in money or other stuff like that

bayareabeast
3 years 10 months ago

thats why i said itd never happen..but pablo could play first if it ever came to it

Danibal59
3 years 10 months ago

Watch him return to the Mets

TheFreak2011
3 years 10 months ago

The Mets can’t afford him.  The only way is if they can’t re-sign Reyes, and even then it’s unlikely.

Knobowitzki
3 years 10 months ago

Beltran never saw a game he couldn’t ask out of.   Laziest, most spoiled player.

Just_Da_damaja
3 years 10 months ago

Yup…so lazy he cracked his skull against Cameron’s face…suffered a concussion…and came back to play a few days later…

so spoiled…..taking days off with a fractured cheekbone and a mild concussion

How dare he !

TheFreak2011
3 years 10 months ago

I don’t know where Baggs says 2 years/ $22 million is a budget stretch.  They have several contract coming off the books.  Ross, $6.3m, Tejada, $6.5m, DeRosa, $6m, Burrell, $1m.  That alone is almost $20m.

Beltran will get more than 2/$22m.  He wants to stay in the NL, but who could afford him if not the Giants?  Or, who has the need?  I don’t see it.  He’ll have to go to the AL; Texas maybe.

The Giants have reinforcements in the outfield.  But they need a shortstop and leadoff hitter.  That means Reyes, and it will be costly.

Honestly, who ELSE is out there that can fill the major need for offense except for these two guys?

giantsfan4life
3 years 10 months ago

The problem is that most if not all of that money coming off the books will go to Timmy, either through a new contract or arb, Sandoval who is arb eligible, raises to Zito who may not even be with the team and Cain along with raises to Sanchez and Torres unless they are non-tendered.

Bust A Posey
3 years 10 months ago

Agree. Would you have Jose leadoff? I would like crisp for a year or two to bridge brown

3 years 10 months ago

as a hardcore Giants fan, I find no fault in what he said — being realistic, we do need a SS or CF.  A lineup 2-5 of Freddie Sanchez, Beltran, Posey, Pablo is definitely above average and when combined with our pitching should/could/would win the division next year

tomymogo
3 years 10 months ago

Beltran basically said, he want’s them to sign Jose Reyes. No doubt about that’s a big boost, but can they afford them both? And they’re gonna command big contracts and both players are very risky health wise. Giants have money, maybe they can do it, 5 yrs 100 million for Reyes, 3 years 36 million with 2 club or vesting options for Beltran. If they do it they’ll finally have offense, that’s for sure, and if they can stay healthy they’ll definitely have a legit chance at another title. I would do it for those terms but I’m sure they’ll ask for more at least initially. That Zito contract would be the only reason why they may not be able to do it, it’s a shame. With 140-150 payroll maybe, but consider right now they’re at 120, and still have to pay Zito and Rowand, plus the raises to Sandoval, Lincecum, Cain, etc

gmenfan
3 years 10 months ago

Cain gets an $8M raise next year. Who knows what will happen with Lincecum, but a $6-8M raise seems within reality. Vogelsong will get a significant raise. This club is going to be hemorrhaging cash to keep this starting rotation together.

Slopeboy
3 years 10 months ago

Five years? Ha!!!

tomymogo
3 years 10 months ago

no way beltran gets 5 or 6 years

Blue387
3 years 10 months ago

I think Carlos Beltran would make a good hitting coach.

baybombers
3 years 10 months ago

Yeah it really sounds like were not gonna do anything in the offseason guys

BHam2421
3 years 10 months ago

That’s why Astros fans hate him too. All he does is complain. He wants to dictate what the team he signs with does. Just STFU and play!

Dan Wohl
3 years 10 months ago

It would “magically” appear if the Giants’ ownership decided to put their explosion of gate and merchandise revenue this season back into the team instead of their pockets, but that’s not happening apparently.

3 years 10 months ago

no mets fans wanted to get rid of him by the time his contract wore down. there were some bumpes along the way w expectations but he was a great player and teammate in NY.

that said, we got wheeler… so it was the right move to make.

angryredmenace
3 years 10 months ago

Just stfu and play?You sound like a child.He can and should say what he thinks, if you don’t like that, don’t read or listen any interview he gives.

rwdavis22461
3 years 10 months ago

Dudel i understand your feelings and totally respect it. But i somewhat disagree I rather have Beltrans talents on my team.  Just my feelings.  THe Astros hate him because he rather be in NY then Houston b-ham.  for a player i can understand that but Houston is a great place to play but a player in NY gets more press and stuff if he wants that . But Houston is a city that loves their teams as well as any other place.  Houston to him was like KC not a limelight city thats why he wanted to go to either NY team his first choice was the Yankees but he did not shun the Mets.

East Coast Bias
3 years 10 months ago

Beltran did not receive a top prospect in return, the Mets did. And the Mets are not complaining. Despite what you think Beltran =/= Mets. One is a player, while the other is a team.

Second, Mets fans did not hate him. In fact, he was one of the few players that actually lived up to his contract.

And lastly, he’s just stating his opinion on his pending free agency. Yeah, that never happens. Especially not as close as yesterday with Prince Fielder or anything. Right?

angryredmenace
3 years 10 months ago

If Astros fans hate someone for speaking their mind, they are quite possibly the dumbest fanbase on the planet.Get a grip, or at least a life.

chico65
3 years 10 months ago

He’s been doing his part, as his .320/.361./544 line attests to.  What’s wrong with wanting a little help?

BHam2421
3 years 10 months ago

Hahahaha, typical homer. Beltran is a whiny baby. Just wait til he burns your team too.

angryredmenace
3 years 10 months ago

“Just wait til he burns your team too”

Now I see where you are coming from, you’re bitter.

Knobowitzki
3 years 10 months ago

Beltran hates playing baseball, he loves hanging out sidelines

BHam2421
3 years 10 months ago

Look, I’m not gonna debate this with you. He left the Astros 7 years ago. I’m not bitter. I have no issues when a player leaves a team. The manner in which he did is where I have the problem and the things he said before he left and on the way out are what I have a problem with. The things is saying now about the Giants are similar to what he said about us before leaving and the next year we were in the World Series.

Grab some pine, meat.
3 years 10 months ago

It’s also about sustainability, even if they have more revenue this year, fair weather fans wont be around next year to provide for the same hand over fist cash earnings. If they sign Beltran, or anyone outside of their current means, they will be screwing the future Giants over if they don’t maintain their fanbase, which is downright hard to do when you lose.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 10 months ago

He did his part by missing a significant amount of time when the Giants were still in the race.

Just_Da_damaja
3 years 10 months ago

u guys were in the WS in 2005 ?
dont know why but i completely blanked out on who was in the WS that year…

Just_Da_damaja
3 years 10 months ago

 now we can get him back on a 1 year deal and move Duda to LF

eat Bay’s contract and trade him to the AL

chico65
3 years 10 months ago

Touche

Bust A Posey
3 years 10 months ago

Auto correct you jackass