Angels Have Serious Interest In C.J. Wilson

11:11pm: It doesn't appear that Wilson will sign very soon, Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com tweets.  There are eight or nine teams interested in the left-hander and they plan to narrow that list down to four or five favorites.  The soon-to-be 31-year-old could fetch a six-year deal.

10:09pm: After meeting with the Angels for three hours, Wilson's agent Bob Garber disclosed that the interest is mutual, tweets Mike DiGiovanna of the Los Angeles Times.  "C.J. is extremely interested [in the Angels]. We're going to talk some more," said the agent.

Meanwhile, GM Jerry Dipoto isn't sure if Wilson's ties to Southern California will help their pursuit, tweets ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick.

8:14pm: The Angels have "serious" interest in free agent left-hander C.J. Wilson, according to Mike DiGiovanna of the LA Times (on Twitter). Angels GM Jerry Dipoto is meeting with Wilson's agent in Milwaukee tonight.

Dipoto has publicly expressed his interest in Wilson, who appears to have serious interest in joining the Angels. Several teams are already showing willingness to commit five years to Wilson, according to ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick (on Twitter). The southpaw is drawing heavy interest already, despite a lackluster showing in the postseason.

Wilson's a Type A free agent, but there's talk that teams will no longer have to surrender draft picks to sign top free agents under the upcoming collective bargaining agreement.


192 Responses to Angels Have Serious Interest In C.J. Wilson Leave a Reply

  1. DodgerDen 4 years ago

    Makes sense … a solid #2 starter and screw the Rangers.

    • Wes9825 4 years ago

      He would be the Angels #4, which is great depth tho not at the high price. For Texas and other pretenders, he was or will be their “ace.” 
      Never, ever have enough pitching so let’s stop with the Fielder, Pujols, etc. We are trying to get away from bad contracts like that, not take on MORE.
       

      • Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

        So by taking away bad contracts we sign a 30 yr old pitcher for 100+M for idk how many years..hmm 6 years perhaps

        • Nick Sossamon 4 years ago

          He’s been a reliever his entire career… it’s not like he has a lot of wear and tear on his arm at this point.  And there’s no way he gets $100M+, especially from the Angels.

          • Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

            He better not but he isn’t looking for a team to stay with and love..He looking for money like everyone else..This guy better not get Weaver type money..But sounds like he will..Hope not but will see what happens

          • slider32 4 years ago

            CJ is not Weaver but his WAR was better than Weaver this year, 5.9- 5.6. He was the best pitcher on a World Series team two years in a row, that has to mean something.

          • Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

            And sucked in the postseason.. and I never said anything about comparing anyone..I just said he better not get Weaver type money..

      • Khabibulan 4 years ago

        #4? #1 = Weaver, #2 = Haren, #3 = ? Ervin? CJ Wilson is better than Ervin Santana.

  2. Sounds like a good fit in all honesty.  Anything to keep Levine and the Steinbrenner Brothers from making yet another foolish signing.

  3. sonofsnake 4 years ago

    As a Mariners fan I now have serious interest in C.J. Wilson making a lot of money and pitching very poorly.

  4. A rotation of Weaver, Haren, Wilson, Santana and whoever would be hard to beat.

    • Not when you have NO offense

      • Cankersly 4 years ago

        NO offense is a little harsh. They have at least an average offense. Bourjos, Kendrick and Aybar are all above average offensive players for their positions. Everywhere else they are at least average, except catcher.

      • Angels were 71-17 when scoring 4 runs or more. 

        They were also 54-34 from June 11 – September 21. It was a poor 4 month stretch from early May thorough early June (10-20) that killed their season. 

        Give them at least a league average hitting catcher, and a spark at the top of that lineup, and the Angels will not need much more offense to take back the AL West.

        Especially if the Halos snatch CJ from the Rangers.

        Of course, give them a franchise bat… look out.

        • Exactly my point! Imagine how much better they’d be if they swapped Jeff Mathis’ batting line for someone with even a .260 BA/.335 OBP! I don’t have the numbers in front of me, but that by itself would likely make them jump a few spots in the AL offensive rankings. 

          • I agree. Just a league average hitting catcher would’ve made a difference. 

            Remember how much more productive the Angels were when Trout was hitting? That boosted our bench. That’s another thing…

            This team’s bench was almost a ghost town until August. Get a league average hitting catcher, and pile on more productive bench depth, and that offense is already climbing and helping the Angels win. 

            I’d also like to see a much bigger improvement in the top 2 spots than a .321 OBP.

            And DiPito did mention the team’s need for better OBP. I’m glad he’s addressing that issue in the open.

            A dominant closer would really help too because this team might still have an issue with shutting the door late in games regardless of how many runs they score.

            It shouldn’t take much more for the Angels to get back into the playoffs. 

        • Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

          Thats why there was only 2 teams in baseball that made the playoffs that were in the top 10 list for best team ERA and 4 teams that were top 10 for offense …Not to mention the WS..Both teams were top offense for there leagues

          • jjs91 4 years ago

             The rangers didnt have the best offense in their league and if you look at other pitching categories fip xfip sierra the yankees, the cards and the rangers make the top ten in some pitching catergories as well.

          • Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

            nooo they didnt thats why it has a number 1 next to Rangers when you search mlb.com>stats by team>Offense>AL….And Overall Pitching 11.yanks,12.cards,13.rangers…Hmm there all next to each other all made playoffs and they all have top notch offense

          • Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

            Noo they didn’t thats why they have a #1 when you search on mlb, stats by team,offense,AL..and overall pitching 11.Yanks,12.Cards,13.Texas..hmm all next to each other and they all made the postseason and 2 of them made the WS

          • jjs91 4 years ago

             what do you mean no they didnt? The yankees rangers and the cards aren’t top ten in siera? Also what stat cites the rangers as having the best offense?

          • Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

            MLb dot com search it…MLB dot com… Sortable team stats…offense..AL or MLB in general for that matter

          • jjs91 4 years ago

            so your basing it off AVG, which would mean the royals have a better offense than the yankees?
             

          • Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

            AVG,OBP,SLG,RUNS,STOLEN BASES,OPS,HR,RBI’s, etc Rangers are top 5 in almost everthing

          • jjs91 4 years ago

            Right but you said they were the best offense in their league.

          • Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

            Pretty much they are name another team that’s top 5 in almost every Offensive stat

          • jjs91 4 years ago

            The red sox the yankees

          • Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

            Sox Choked and they where carried by Guys like A-gon,Jacoby.. Rangers lineup was complete maybe except Moreland.. But that lineup was just beast..They never relied on just one player to win the game for them

          • jjs91 4 years ago

            And ortiz and pedoira, both of which did better than kinsler and young. Not to mention youk had a fine offesive season. The rangers have a good offense, but their best hitter is injury prone actually most their hitters are injury prone, kinsler, cruz, beltre…

          • Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

            Injury prone True.. And yet look at Boston they went all the way

          • jjs91 4 years ago

            I’m not sure what you are trying to say but if anything it hurts your argument…  The best offensive team missed the playoffs.

          • Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

            Actually no i saw 2 of the best offensive teams in the WS

          • jjs91 4 years ago

             Right but missed the chance to see the best offense in baseball in the postseason.

          • Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

            Okay with that right there i think you i think that i think offense is better than pitching.. And i never said that.. I said Angels have more than enough pitching and they need offense right now not pitching but offense.. If they get a big bat its all solved for the Halos

          • One season does not make offense the determining factor. I say again, the Rangers made it to the World Series because they had the best starting rotation of all 4 AL playoff teams. 

            You might want to look up some of the Rangers teams that had even way better offense (Juan Gonzalez, Pudge, A-Roid) and struggled to even have a winning season.

          • Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

            Cj suck postseason so count him out… Holland pick up his game in the WS so pretty much count him out to..Hairson or w/e his name is sucked..only Beast pitcher they had was Colby.. Rotation no..Bullpen yes both teams cards,tex had one of the best pens in baseball..and what did i just finish telling you..”offense wins games,Defense wins championships”..Both teams had Beast offense..And there pitching aka Bullpen was enough to get them through the final round

      • wickedkevin 4 years ago

        I hear Chone Figgins is available.

      • Khabibulan 4 years ago

        Offense has some potential: Morales, Bourjos, Trumbo, Aybar, Kendrick, Trout (perhaps)can be nice for 2012.
        Sketchy guys like Wells, Hunter, Abreu, Mathis, Callaspo cast doubt.
        Dunno if the Angels could afford Aramis too, but that would help a lot in the short-term.

    • johnsilver 4 years ago

      Yeah, but the offense is the problem there and curious why Anaheim would choose to go after Wilson when it is almost certain he will not return to Texas anyway.

      As for rotations.. Philly is still not too shabby 1-4, neither is SF..Both after losing/trading Oswalt and Sanchez.

    • Dodgersarelife 4 years ago

      I think the angels are better off trading for Gio Gonzalez

    • slider32 4 years ago

      The best in baseball!

  5. NathanielS 4 years ago

    I wonder how Nolan Ryans face will hold up? 

    • He doesnt care. Wilson isnt worth what he’ll get.. Arte Moreno and the Angels are freaking morons

      • Wes9825 4 years ago

        I agree, he’s not worth what dollars he will get, but morons should be defined as those who reach consecutive World Series and not closing the deal.

        Again, he’d be the Angels #4 not their “ace.” Not a bad #4 at all, i think, and lefthanded.

  6. I WANT TO GRAB JERRY AND ARTE: ” YOU GUYS NEED OFFENSE!!”

  7. Wilson’s postseason was a little shaky, but he was dominant throughout the regular season. Dipoto is a former pitcher, so I have faith in his decisions on which free agent pitchers the Angels should target.

    • Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

      He also GM’D the NL D’backs..And now Manages the AL Angels that play like NL team.. I think his goal is to make this team more NL like

  8. spend the extra cash and sign Fielder. My goodness, Angels fans have been SCREAMING for an elite bat and now that there is one we go after pitching? WTF!?!  SIGN FIELDER!!!

    • renegadeisback 4 years ago

      How exactly does Fielder fit in?
      A) There is no way that Wells goes to the bench.
      B) Mike Trout needs to play.
      C) Angels already have Trumbo AND Morales.

      • Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

        Trout aint playing…Prince 1B, Morales Dh, Trumbo 3rd..and like taner says Morales shouldnt even be mentioned.. Angels should be signing as if Morales never existed..sorry to say but true…If morales does come 110% healthy then its a bonus

      • A)Trout isnt ready for MLB pitching and will be in the everyday lineup next year
        B) Who’s Morales?
        C)Trumbo is an OF or DH his D is isnt very good AND Fielder/Trumbo would be a very good DH/1B platoon.
        d) Trade Abreu to the soon to be All Latin Team “The Miami Marlins”

        Give Fielder 6-7 $160 plus money would have to made off Fielder.. I would think.. Arte needs to draw season seat holders, I don’t think another SP is going to help.. This offense is BORING

    • Nick Sossamon 4 years ago

      Is there a bigger broken record on this site?  How you can say the same thing in the highest amount of posts possible is unbelievable.

      • You act like I’m the only one who wants Fielder or Pujols. Every site has “Sign Fielder” so, I guess, I’m trendy… Darn!

  9. Pete 4 years ago

    Yes, please by all means trade either Weaver or Haren and sign the biggest flop-in-the-making to a $100MM/7 year deal. You know you wanna!

    • Where did you get anything about trading Weaver or Haren out of this? The whole point of signing a pitcher like CJ is to add a fourth starter and stability to the back end of the rotation… if the Angels signed Wilson, and then traded away Weaver or Haren, they’d be worse off than where they were to begin with! 

  10. Dylan 4 years ago

    Who would you take?

    Halladay, Lee, Hamels

    Or

    Weaver, Wilson, Haren

  11. renegadeisback 4 years ago

    Angels will sign Wilson to 6/120 and then trade Haren to Toronto for Eric Thames and Casey Janssen.

  12. jose gonzalez 4 years ago

    I bet he signs for a hometown discount too.

  13. $17857693 4 years ago

    For the Bat, go for Aramis Ramirez because you have Morales at 1st, and you could get Aramis and Wilson if you think you have enough money for Fielder

    • Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

      A-ram might aswell put Trumbo he wil give offense maybe not as good as A-ram but his D can be better or worse or the same as A-ram..MOVE TRUMBO TO 3rd AND SIGN PRINCE!

  14. Tj Kobold 4 years ago

    Seriously.

  15. MNTwins12 4 years ago

    I feel bad for any team who signs C.J. Wilson for the amount of money which he wants. HE IS NOT WORTH IT. On second thought, I don’t really feel bad at all.

    • okbluejays 4 years ago

      Hey man i’m all for the Yanks or BoSox blowing money on CJ.

  16. If they can get CJ for less than $80 million, and it’s true that teams will no longer have to forfeit 1st round picks for signing type A free agents, then I don’t think this isn’t a bad signing…otherwise, I’d rather see the Angels save the money and draft pick, and go after Buehrle or maybe even Aaron Harang.

  17. MNTwins12 4 years ago

    Angels have enough pitching. They need to add more offense.

    • Wes9825 4 years ago

      That’s why you’re a Twins fan, you know nothing of our club. Name me one MLB team that can ever, EVER have enough pitching no matter who’s signing the checks or making deals.

      P.S. – Not just hating on Twins, i think Gardenhire is THE best manager next to Scioscia, and some team will be happy with him when he’s gone from Minnesota.
       

      • MNTwins12 4 years ago

        I don’t disagree with anything you said. (except maybe that Gardy is the best manager next to Scoiscia) You can never have enough pitching, I just think that the Angels have a solid rotation already. C.J. Wilson is not worth the contract he will receive, therefore it would be wise for the Angels to skip on him an use the money to improve their lineup.

    • You can never have enough pitching. 

      In any given season, any team can score 650 runs, 750 runs, or 850 runs. Many teams throughout history have won championships while scoring within that wide range of runs; some even won it all scoring even less than 650. 

      Pitching has MUCH smaller margin for error, which is why it should always be a GM’s first priority.

      Cashman was even quoted saying starting pitching is always his first priority.

      You have all this offense knocking the ball around the ballpark in a place like Texas, and if you take Napoli and even Cruz out of that lineup, they still rank pretty high in runs.

      You take CJ out of that rotation, and suddenly the Rangers are back to being an 85 win or less team. 

      They are lucky the Angels had such a horrible month of May and had a closer who blew 10 saves. Otherwise, all that offense of their’s wouldn’t matter.

      If you go back in history, as far as I know, you’ll find that a LOT of the teams that won it all were in top 3 (usually 1 or 2) in fewest runs allowed. 

      2002 Angels allowed the fewest runs in the AL, and that’s the #1 reason they won 99 games. They won the World Series because they got hot at the right time.

      Always look for good pitching first.

  18. Guest 4 years ago

    Oh the Angels have serious interest in a player that might help them win games? they must actually be be preparing to trade for Barry Zito.

  19. okbluejays 4 years ago

    lol sounds like a move the Angels would make.

  20. LightUptheHalo 4 years ago

    I wonder if the Angels do sign Wilson if they look to trade Haren or Santana and a prospect for some offense.

  21. If the Rangers lose CJ, they are in big trouble.

    The Angels aren’t losing anyone nearly that significant.

    Texas has always had big offense, and their current lineup isn’t even close to as powerful as the JuanGon and Pudge days when they would score 900 runs and still struggle just to have a winning season. Anyone can develop a good lineup and a good bullpen. 

    The Rangers success is dependent on their starting pitching.

    If the Angels do this it will be a major major blow unless the Texas can replace him.

    • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

      Not necessarily, texas has a really good farm system with some good arms, not to mention a guy like feliz who can shift in to the rotation.

      • But has Feliz ever started a full season? How much major league experience do those arms have? They do have a good farm system but too much hinges on starting pitching for the Rangers to let rookies and newly converted relievers into their rotation. If Texas can package those good arms for an ace, then the Rangers are looking good again. Of course, this is all in case the Rangers don’t re-sign CJ.

    • sallen22 4 years ago

      Ryan you gotta look at this from multiple perspectives.  The Rangers just got a mega-tv contract, have money to spend and were an out away from winning the World Series.  If the Rangers honestly thought that losing CJ Wilson would mean they were in big trouble, they’d make damn well sure they signed him.

      Now we can all speculate as to how the Rangers would replace him, but at the end of the day, the decision makers in Arlington look like they believe that losing CJ Wilson to the Angels would not be the end of the world.  Whether they’re right or not is another thing entirely.

      • If that was the Rangers approach, they’d be taking their situation for granted, and I wouldn’t be a happy fan. 

        Pitching should always be the first priority.

        Look up Rangers teams of the past. Some include Juan Gonzalez, Pudge Rodriguez, A-Roid, etc. and were far better and still struggled to have a winning season.

        A mega TV deal does not magically make Rangers management elite.

        • sallen22 4 years ago

          I don’t think anyone would mistake the Rangers Front Office for being elite.  They have a competent GM in Jon Daniels who knows how to build a team to beat the Angels.  The only teams that can really beat the Angels with any consistency are ones capable of pounding their elite pitching.  That’s no secret and doesn’t make Jon Daniels great.

          But make no mistake, their huge TV contract means that they can start spending like the Angels and when they do it’s going to get interesting.  

          Also, when you look up which teams made the playoffs in 2011, 3 of the top 4 offenses represented the AL.  The other was one strike away from making the playoffs.  In other words, the Angels would be best served upgrading their offense.

          But you can’t blame DiPoto for following the route he’s chosen.  It worked for the D-backs and the Angels already have a lot of potential bats that can improve the offense if Wells rediscovers his swing, Morales gets healthy, Trout gets his reps and Conger regains some confidence. I will say adding Wilson make the Angels a 90-win team easily.

          Still, signing Wilson may bring about an Ervin Santana trade.  

  22. Halofan40 4 years ago

    In my opinion the Angels should focus on a decent hitting catcher, a third baseman with pop and some good arms out of the bullpen.  A fourth starter would be good once the other areas are addressed. 

  23. Angels trust me on this.. Dipoto knows what he’s doing. I’m a Dbacks fan and he is a HUGE reason for our dramatic turnaround after making a couple trades/signings he built the team for now and the future. He is a great talent evaluator so he must see something he likes about Wilson in order to add him to an already deep Angels rotation.

  24. Halosfan777 4 years ago

    I feel like everyone who is saying the Angels need offense don’t realize that Dipoto said he wants to be creative and active in the trade market. I assume since the only major impact players play position we have strength at; he is going for the best improvement he can. But don’t be surprised if our offensive additions come through the trade market.

  25. I bet they trade Haren if they can sign Wilson. They have a need for a bat.

    Anyone think a swap: Haren for Hanley is an interesting trade? Especially if they can sign Reyes quickly.

    • Harry 4 years ago

      I would say too many things would have to happen for that to work, but definitely an interesting idea

    • Marlins want Hanley to be the face of the franchise when they open their stadium. He goes no where.

      Besides, that trade proposal would of been a steal for the Angels. Hanley is a relative bargain for his power/contact/speed combo at SS.

      • See, in this really bare market you need to be creative. The needs are met by both teams. The marlins COULD sign Reyes and possibly one of the 1B studs available and get a very nice complement to a healthy Johnson, Nolasco and Sanchez.
        The angels get a stud starting SS, You could think they want Hanley to be the face of a franchise but unfortunately he is signed until end of 2014. If they sign Reyes and one of Fielder or Pujols they would become the face of a franchise through at least 2017 and if not longer.

  26. MrBaseball29 4 years ago

    Great news for the Yanks

  27. bigpat 4 years ago

     This team sure knows how to spend their money wisely. We have holes big enough you can drive a truck through at catcher and third base but we need another ace pitcher who will cost upwards of 75M. Odd…

    • callaspo is good buddy. Even if you dont like his nice WAR, I’m sure his solid OBP and Batting Average along with a nice glove should satisfy you

  28. CAD_Monkey 4 years ago

    All I can think about is how cool it would be to have three Los Angeles area natives pitching for the Angels.

  29. wickedkevin 4 years ago

    This mad rush is all because of how the Sox stole Crawford from the Angels last year.

    • Are we supposed to be mad about losing out on Crawford? Did you see him play last year?

  30. sallen22 4 years ago

    The best way to make up ground in the AL West is take the other team’s players.  It weakens them and strengthens your team.  Just ask the Rangers, who in the past 2 years have taken Vlad Guerrero, Mason Tobin, Darren Oliver and Mike Napoli away from the Angels.

    If Angels bring in Wilson and Texas isn’t able to replace him, the AL West suddenly becomes pretty close.  Angels add a RP to lessen the 25 leads they blew in 2011 and suddenly the Angels might be favored to win the AL West.

    I think Texas will be fine though. They brought in a ton of relievers, so they’ll probably look at transitioning Feliz into rotation, which should go every bit as well as it did for CJ Wilson, so losing him and the Angels signing him WON’T be the move that retakes the West for LA.  They’ll still need a RP and one more bat.  

  31. Orlandojjk 4 years ago

    Angels need the following: CJ Wilson, Ryan Madson, and Ryan Doumit. Wilson: Top of the rotation lefty, which the Angels need. Madson: Can be possibly the closer or set-up guy to back up Walden. Doumit: Offensive minded, perfect for the American League. Angels could move him everywhere from C to DH to the OF and 1B. This is how I see the Angels 2012 Team Lineup/Bench/Pitching
    Lineup Aybar SS Kendrick 2B Hunter RF Morales DH Trumbo 1B Wells LF Doumit C Callaspo 3B Bourjos CF. Bench: Maicer Izturis, Bobby Wilson, Jeff Mathis, and Bobby Abreu. (I’d try and trade Abreu for a legit 5th starter, and give Mathis a chance to be the late inning defensively replacement for Doumit. Conger and Trout both start the season in the minors for me.) Rotation: Weaver, Wilson, Haren, Santana, ? Bullpen: Walden Madson Downs Takahashi Thompson Cassevah Jepsen

  32. Orlandojjk 4 years ago

    I’d like to add that Prince Fielder is out of the question for the Angels. I like the Angels but as a Dodger fan, he’s more likely to land there. Angels are log jammed with the OF: Wells Trout Bourjos Hunter and Abreu and 1B: Morales and Trumbo. Adding Fielder to that would be chaos. I like Abreu but he’s not gonna be happy on the bench. Trade him to Tampa along with a prospect to Tampa for Wade Davis. Then start Trout in the minors put wells in left bourjos in center hunter in right trumbo at first and kendrys in DH. Problem solved.

  33. TXHC 4 years ago

    The decent hitting catcher part makes me soil myself with laughter every time.

  34. slider32 4 years ago

    Wilson should get 5/80-90. Sounds like the Angels are in the mix.

  35. Lastings 4 years ago

    If you had Reagins, Vernon Wells would be looking at an extension.

  36. $17857693 4 years ago

    DH?

  37. $17857693 4 years ago

    Morales hasn’t stayed healthy, so Trumbo could play Dh/1b, with Ramirez at 3b, you have a full OF and that could make a solid lineup…and the 4th best rotation in baseball…taking away the rangers ace, adding a bat, and adding a nice starter would put the A’s right past Texas in the playoff hunt

  38. renegadeisback 4 years ago

    So Trumbo and Morales are bench players going forward then.

  39. Do the Angels need more offense? Absolutely. But don’t discount the value of pitching (starting & bullpen).  Put it to you this way – if the Angels had only 4 blown saves  instead of Jordan Walden’s 9, they’d have won the Wild Card.  Also, a pitching surplus can turn into a deficit REAL quick…imagine if one of Weaver/Santana/Haren goes down for any substantial length of time with an injury.  The Angels would be in BIG trouble, even if they had a Prince Fielder.  I’m not saying the Angels don’t need to try and add offense – and maybe they do have something up their sleeves we haven’t thought of yet – but they should also continue to maintain and improve their greatest strength, which is pitching. 

  40. Did you grow up during the steroid era?

  41. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    Might as-well if you fans want A-ram @ 3rd

  42. Dylan 4 years ago

    The Phantom Edit!

  43. MNTwins12 4 years ago

    Verlander, Verlander, Verlander.

  44. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    And keep turning into an NL team.. I see where your going with it but they won’t sign a big bat Angels sign Cj, and Madson.. Thats how i see it.. Which is dumb..Now if Morales doesn’t come back were screwed and if he does Angels are prolly saved… And what makes you so sure TB doesn’t take the WC its a diff. season and there Pitching staff looks a heck a lot better then ours even if we sign CJ..And with KC unleashing every one of there rookies next year..i see KC making a run for it… and for the 10 BLOWN SAVES By walden 8/10 he had 2 runs lead or less..or it was tied.. If he had offense he prolly wuldnt have blown as much either

  45. johnsilver 4 years ago

    I am hard pressed to think of a weak lineup, such as Anaheim currently has advancing to the playoffs with a rotation that would include Wilson. Not dicing on Anaheim, but several reasons:

    1) Baltimore did it, ‘Tis true back in ’71, but they had 4 outstanding 20 game winners and a couple of HOF’ers on the playing field to support the weak offense by the name of Brooks and Frank Robinson.

    2) You discount the fact to get that WC Anaheim has to win more games than 2 of the NYY/Tampa/Boston.. A very tough feat with those 4 guys, especially when the Rays themselves match up pretty well with Aaheim 1-4, plus have a 5 and 6 who are pretty fair also and a decent offense, yet will have a tough time overtaking the NYY/Boston for the DC/WC spot.

    Those are my thoughts on grabbing another high dollar SP.

  46. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    Exactly you have those East teams that are beast..With Crawford’s horrible season i see a comback from him and A-gon will he is A-gon..And TB IMHO..they have a better rotation..and the best in Baseball

  47. jjs91 4 years ago

    The rays play in a tougher division and their offense isnt much better than the angels. I also dont see why they wouldn’t just win the division with cj. 

  48. Look up the 1988 Dodgers.

  49. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    Then sign Prince trade Trumbo for a pitcher…I prefer prince any day over Trumbo

  50. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    Shields,Price,Moore,Hellickson..Now that’s beast

  51. Dylan 4 years ago

    HaWilson Valdez!

  52. You don’t trade a guy who just placed 2nd in the ROY voting. Trumbo hit 29 home runs this year, his rookie year. Is that not enough pop for your taste? I’m not against signing Fielder, but trading Trumbo isn’t a smart move.

  53. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    and then who plays 1st if Morales isnt healthy and elite like he once was for 1 year and a quarter..?

  54. The point I was making with Walden and the blown saves was in reference to the ’11 season…yes, I know 2012 is another season, and there are a ton of other variables to consider. I didn’t say the Angels shouldn’t try to upgrade their offense; in fact, I said they “absolutely” should…I just said that they should continue to improve their pitching and add depth to their rotation and bullpen if given the chance.  And BTW, I hope they stay far away from Madson, especially for anything close to Papelbon money. I still believe Walden has the stuff to be a great closer in the future; I’m thinking they should try Joe Nathan, Matt Capps, or even Huston Street on a 1-year deal and see how that works out.  

    As for the offense… how many times has a $100 million + contract actually worked out for a supposedly elite player?  Not counting extensions (and I can’t think of very many of those that are very good, either), the only $100 million position player with a contract that’s looked good so far is Mark Teixeira.  Do you really want to gamble that Prince Fielder, with his suspect defense and conditioning, is going to buck that trend, even if he’s only 28? And we’re not just talking about $100 million; he’s likely to command $150 + for at least 6 years. 

    The first thing the Angels could do is sign Ryan Doumit to platoon with Conger at catcher.  Not a flashy signing, but imagine for a moment, all other things being equal, replacing Jeff Mathis’ stats in last season’s batting order with Doumit’s… BIG difference. And yes, I know that there’s no guarantee that Doumit will repeat the .308 avg. he posted with Pittsburgh last season, but I doubt he’s going to hit .170, either.  

  55. Lack of offense is no excuse for blowing 10 saves. What happens then if it’s 7-6 Angels in the 9th inning? Same thing. 

    Look around MLB. Offense has gone towards the back burner. This is an era of pitching and defense. Only 4 AL teams scored more than 750 runs. 

    8 teams in the AL scored as many as 708 runs, and 5 failed to reach 700. 

    This era is making the 2005, 2006, and 2008 Angels look like offensive juggernauts.

    The Angels were 71-17 when scoring 4 runs or more. They aren’t nearly as “dependent” on offense as Texas, NY, and Boston, so they won’t need that much of an upgrade on offense to get back into the playoffs.

  56. jjs91 4 years ago

    and there Pitching staff looks a heck a lot better then ours, thats not exactly true. The angels either led or were close to the rays in every category last year. Put Cj wilson on the angels and they have a distinct advantage. They also have similiar offenses and the rays play in a tougher division so i dont see why they’d be favored.

  57. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    that works, but I still think the angels should pursue some offense.

  58. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    I think it is if you sign Prince then Trumbo will be forgotn..Trumbo also had one of the lowest, OBP,AVG,SLG,and OPS..

  59. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    HR’s are nice, everyone loves the long ball

    but when trumbo didn’t hit a HR, he was pretty much a guaranteed out. 

  60. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    If he gets signed but if he doesn’t who takes over?

  61. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    Agree

  62. Don’t forget Jerome Williams… he did pretty well last season, and I just read that he’s killing it down in winter ball… I think he’s a legit fifth starter.  But as for the rest, I agree with you 100%.  The Angels can definitely use more depth.  

  63. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    Which players exactly do Angels have that are elite that signed for 100M+?? and the closest guy that i can compare fielder to is Mo Vaughn.. and he didn’t do so bad.. All im saying Angels don’t win anything if they land Cj+more pitching and a lil hitter lyk ryan..Might as-well be thinking about how to improve the team for 2013.. Sign Cj, and then sign Cespesdes.. Honestly believe that Angels won’t do much with Cj 

  64. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    and who takes over the OF?

  65. You’re diminishing what Trumbo has accomplished in his rookie year. Even if his stats were low in some areas, that only leaves room for improvement in his second year and beyond. Cut the guy some slack, it was his first full year in the majors. Trumbo and Salmon are both homegrown talent, you wouldn’t be making Salmon very happy by saying you want to trade Trumbo after a he had great rookie season with the Angels…

  66. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    Salmon was the guy to lead a team..His rookie year was Superb.. Trumbo got Attention bcoz of his homers and Rbis..Does that define a hitter? Now Eric Hosmer he will be a hitter and has a better shot..MARK Trumbo is lyk MARK Reynolds

  67. alxn 4 years ago

    That’s ridiculous. Talk about wasting assets.

  68. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    usually the best way to go anyways.. unless you shop in the bargain bin, you have to overpay for an FA.

    ramirez wouldnt be a bad pick up if you didn’t have to give him too much

  69. jt24 4 years ago

    They have this one guy named trout, he’s kinda good.  Maybe he could help out in that situation.

  70. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    Or cespedes.. Sign Cj/Cespeds 2013 is in good shape

  71. That comment about the $100 million contracts wasn’t in reference to just the Angels…it’s in regards to ALL $100 million contracts that have ever been signed by any team.  How many have really turned out well? Most have been mixed at best, downright terrible at worst.  So far, Teixeira looks like he’s panning out for the Yankees, as is Sabathia; you could say that A-Rod was good but still vastly overpaid even for his production under his first contract with Texas, and his new contract with the Yankees falls into the “downright terrible” category… and just for the record, I’m not crazy about CJ myself…I’d rather have Buehrle (shorter contract, less money).  And why would you sign Cespedes? Talk about a logjam in the outfield… 

  72. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    Cespedes 2013.. If Angels sign a starter this offseason they don’t enter the postseason..Might as-well think about 2013 and forgot about 2012..Angels have a better shot 2013

  73. vtadave 4 years ago

    Pujols is coming off a $100 million contract. That worked out just fine.  Jeter, Cabrera, the aforementioned Teixeira, Sabathia, and Arod deals.

  74. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    Would love to keep trout till 2013… that way Angels keep him longer and Trout gets better

  75. Dylan 4 years ago

    …with a no trade clause. Some people are unbelievable.

  76. Fifty_Five 4 years ago

    There’s just no space, it’s that simple. No one would entertain the possibility of trading for Morales if they don’t know if he’s healthy or not. And the only way to find out is to play him. And you can’t just shuffle everyone around into positions they don’t play just to get the optimal offensive lineup out there. Bourjos, Trout, and Trumbo are already going to have a hard time getting playing time (and they DO need it), if Fielder is brought into the fold that’s just too many big contracts/young studs losing playing time.

  77. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    Cespedes dont want 10M max for him is prolly 8M.. Chapman is getting 4M this yr and Cespeds is looking to get something or more than that..and Moore is good defensivly but with the bat a big no no….If Angels get cespedes OF won’t be an issue till they get old..(Trout,Peter,Cespseds)

  78. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    ya but Moore wasn’t in the whole season..Id take..Shields,Price,Moore,Hellickson every single day..Moore and Hellickson are young to..Unlike Haren and Cj

  79. Pujols, Cabrera, and Jeter are extensions…that comment was in reference to free agent signings… and I don’t think the A-Rod deal was a good contract, no matter how good he was…just ask the Rangers’ bankruptcy attorney. 

  80. Tom R 4 years ago

    What’s wrong with Mark Reynolds?  Reynolds gets a bad rap because of the K’s.  I get it.  But, as far as power hitters go, you could do worse.   If Trumbo ends up becoming the 2nd coming of him I would be WAY OK with that.

  81. I’m sorry, I just can’t take a guy seriously who uses “bcoz” instead of because, and doesn’t know the difference between >,<, and =. You're sentence reads as if you're trying to say that Mark Trumbo is greater than Mark Reynolds. Just because they share the same first name doesn't make them the same player, compare their stats if you want to prove a point.

  82. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    And thanks this made me realize that pitching is what matters..Thats why there was only 2 teams in baseball that made the playoffs that were in the top 10 list for best team ERA and 4 teams that were top 10 for offense …Not to mention the WS..Both teams were top offense for there leagues

  83. jjs91 4 years ago

    30 isnt old, and if it is i guess that makes shields old too. Speaking of shields it’s no garantee that he wont regress back to what he was doing in 2010, 09 which isnt bad but isnt great. I fail to see how their rotation would be better with the addition of Moore unless you are implying moore’s rookie season will be better than wilson’s, which is a bold prediction. The thing Haren has that no rays player has is a consistent level of excellence.

  84. But CJ isn’t even an true ace. And Feliz has yet to start a major league game. This is a situation where Daniels either needs to re-sign Wilson, or package the good arms he has in his farm system for an ace they can maybe keep for a while and focus on staying deep. 

  85. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    Compared to Moore and Hellickson 30 is old…i was talking bout those 2 players never mentioned Shields… 

  86. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    TB just made the WC thanks to a HUGE choke from Bosux… Angels won’t win WC or the division..Unless a bat gets signed OR if Morales does come back 110%..if Morales doesn’t Angels are screwed

  87. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    Chap got 4M this season… Cespedes wont get 10M+ unless some team really wants him.. And the fact that Angels have Trout Angels won’t overpay..so i see what your saying..

  88. jjs91 4 years ago

    ok so i guess in 3 years that will be relevant…

  89. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    More like Next year..There the real deal and outside of San Francisco.. TB has one of the best Pitching Farm systems in the league.

  90. jjs91 4 years ago

    Moore might become the real deal, but Haren and weaver are already there. This idea that Moore rookie season will match wilsons season is crazy. 

  91. The Cardinals, Rangers, Yankees, and Brewers play in hitters parks. The Red Sox play in a hitters park. The Tigers not so much. 

    Btw, the Rangers scored fewer runs than the Angels did on the road, and for the third straight season.

    The Rangers made it to the World Series because they had the best starting rotation of all the AL playoff teams, and a good mix of offense and bullpen.

    The Tigers should not have even been in the playoffs with such a poor rotation.

    The Yankees got lucky with Colon and Garcia and now they barely have a rotation.

    The Red Sox crumbled because their starting pitching crumbled, along with some clubhouse issues.

    The Cardinals won the World Series because they got hot at the right time.

    I believe it was the guys on MLB Network who said the Angels could be the AL’s most dangerous team if they make the playoffs because of Weaver, Haren, and Santana being the only dominant 3 in the AL.

    Pitching should always be a team’s first priority.

    Never build your team based on what other teams are doing. 

    The Angels play in a pitchers park. So they need to build their team around what helps them win.

    But I’m not saying don’t add on offense. The Angels are capable of being just as well a balanced team playing in a pitchers park as any other team.

  92. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    Moore will do better than Wilson..and Hellickson will just be better.. I like TB’s rotation and i think it’s the best..For next year and future years..

  93. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    Ya i get you 

  94. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    And i agree Angels are the most dangerous team IF they get to the playoffs..Again “Offense wins you games,Defense wins you championships”…The Angels have the pitching to win the WS but they have proven they don’t have the offense to get to it

  95. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    Okay so were talking about grammar now? Never knew this was class sorry Mr. and you want to see it yourself Look at there stats..and okay Mark Trumbo is lyk Mark Reynolds..Bunch of power and horrible plate discipline..and not to mention Trumbo swings at just anything

  96. jjs91 4 years ago

    They probably still can, they finally got gary matthews jr off the books and with pinerio presumably gone they might be able to spend. But i agree if signing wilson stop them for getting more offense they shouldnt do it. But it’s also important to note they know more about morales condition then we do. 

  97. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    Trumbo will be worse then Reynolds unless he fix’s his discipline he SWINGS AT EVERYTHING! literally..Just found Reynolds easiest to compare..Reynolds is better then Trumbo

  98. Khabibulan 4 years ago

    Uranium

  99. Maybe playing the Yankees and Red Sox in 7 playoff series in 8 years has something to do with that. Name me one team who has had to put up with that. I doubt there is one who can brag about it.

  100. Gotta love name dropping. Prove your comment isn’t biased.

  101. Feliz as never started a major league game.

  102. Dick Armada 4 years ago

    He’ll make a fine #4 for the Halos.

  103. Dick Armada 4 years ago

    Jerome was a stopgap that happened to work when the Angels could not stand Chatwood missing the strike zone any more. They need a consistent 4th starter who has a WAR greater than 0.5

  104. Devon Henry 4 years ago

    He is such a great guy why not? haha

  105. Joesebastian6 4 years ago

    Dang your right cause rookie year tells you exactly what they’re discipline is like for their whole career… thanks your right let’s trade him away

  106. johnsilver 4 years ago

    Good point and that team only had 3 SP of real effect. Like stated above in my post.. When it comes down to all pitching and weak offense, i always come up with that outstanding Orioles team managed by Earl Weaver from ’71, but that LA team is one that had forgotten about and a VERY good point as it had fewer offensive hitters (no Brooks/Frank Robby types) than even the ’71 o’s team had to help produce runs.

    The flip side for 2012 would be.. that ’88 LA team won 94 games and not sure it is enough for a WC in the AL. Maybe the NL in 2012 and maybe enough to take the AL West Crown, so with that there is hope *IF* Anaheim could get timely hitting and a Gibby will step up as that ’88 LAD team had.. Maybe Tori Hunter could do it? Morales after returning from his broken leg and wanting to show he has the fire still?

  107. jjs91 4 years ago

    Arid didn’t bankrupt hicks the guy was a bit richer than that, what people forget is even with arid they had the money to waste on chan ho park. If anyone’s to blame for the rangers failing with arid it’s the front office and their inability to development any starters.

  108. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    It doesn’t matter..Angels need to get out of Yanks, and Bosox head’s..Especially Bosox..They need to forget about the past and move on they can beat that team they prove it in the regular series..But postseason they choke against them they have to get past that crap..And there’s no better time but now

  109. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    Hi will suck.. He swings at everything..If he makes contact it’s either out of the park or an out..or a DP..His OBP..was horrible..his OPS..was horrible..his SLG..was horrible..His Avg horrible..Again Eric Hosmer is the real deal..ask KC if they would want to trade Hosmer for Trumbo they would say no.. I love Trumbo and what he did for us..if it wasn’t for him Angels wouldn’t even have ended where they ended.. But trade him now while his price is at the highest point..

  110. jjs91 4 years ago

    Keep dreaming

  111. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    I ain’t dreaming.. TB has the 2nd best pitching staff in baseball its true..And Moore And Hellickson are so much better than Wilson.. Id take any of those 2 guys instead of Wislon..Espically since Cj is high on some new product i guess… coz he seeking 6 year for 120M..Get lost Cj Hope they don’t sign him now

  112. jjs91 4 years ago

    Amazing that a guy with so few big league innings can be considered better than a top 20 pitcher, as things stand now the angels 1-2 pitchers are both better than anyone on the rays staff. Considering the angel rotation did just as well last yr as the rays  ( if not better) that would mean that moore out pitches wilson which just isnt realistic. 

  113. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    I said i prefer Moore he is younger, heck a lot Cheaper, and better..and Amazing a guy that has 2 pro years as a starter is seeking for a 120M contract..Angels and Wilson should just stop talking.. 

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