Heyman On Rangers, Pujols, Fielder, Nunez

Earlier this week, it was reported that in addition to the Cardinals and Marlins, there's a third team in on Albert Pujols.  Yahoo's Tim Brown hypothesized that the mystery suitor could be the Cubs or Rangers.  Today on Twitter, Jon Heyman of Sports Illustrated discussed the Rangers' possible pursuit of Pujols and more..

  • The Rangers are still saying that the odds are remote for them to make a run at Albert Pujols or Prince Fielder this offseason, says Heyman (via Twitter).  The club's focus now is to try to lock up Josh Hamilton as the outfielder will hit free agency after 2012.
  • Heyman (via Twitter) still won't count Texas out of the chase for Pujols or Fielder.  As he points out, last winter's signing of Adrian Beltre came late in the offseason.
  • The Braves have long been interested in Yankees shortstop Eduardo Nunez but the Bombers will have to part with much more to land Jair Jurrjens in a trade, Heyman tweets.


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217 Comments on "Heyman On Rangers, Pujols, Fielder, Nunez"


Guest
3 years 7 months ago

I’d say Braves should trade Jurrjens to NYY for Nunez, Swisher, and a prospect. The Braves could add a lower level prospect in the deal as well. It covers both of their needs, a short term shortstop, and an outfield bat who can switch hit, play all outfield positions, and some first base. Yankees need pitching, Braves need a shortstop and a bat, makes sense….

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atlbravosfan11
3 years 7 months ago

I’d be perfectly ok with that

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Guest
3 years 7 months ago

Of course you would. We take your extra crap and we give you two (perhaps three) very useful players. 

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

If you’re referring to the Javier Vasquez trade, nobody knew Vasquez was going to perform poorly for the Yankees after having a great year with the Braves.  But then again nobody held a gun to Cashman’s head and forced him to trade a good reliever and a now top pitching prospect for him either.

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3 years 7 months ago

you overvalue jurrjens.  massively.

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lovebaseball74
3 years 7 months ago

there is no way the yanks get jurrjens without throwing montero in the package sorry yanks…i say maybe something like montero nunez and a prospect might get it done…maybe throw in gardner in the package also

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3 years 7 months ago

And there is no way the Braves gets Montero for Jurrjens.  Sorry Braves, but Jurrjens is not that good so it seems like a moot point.  I rather keep Montero and Nunez and hope Hughes bounces back. The chance of Hughes bouncing back is greater than Jurrjens staying healthy and making a smooth transition to the AL East.

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Fifty_Five
3 years 7 months ago

Or just sign Edwin Jackson (like mentioned below). And give the poor guy a no trade for chrissakes. But seriously I feel like people just fall in love with the thought of making a blockbuster trade. Save Swisher and Nunez and go after EJ

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Tko11
3 years 7 months ago

Edwin Jackson in the AL East is a recipe for failure. He was ok last year because he had Dave Duncan and NL competition.

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Fifty_Five
3 years 7 months ago

What about the two years before that? He’s put up consistently above average numbers while bouncing around all over the place over the past 3 years. At least he has some experience in the AL. How is the AL East going to affect Jackson but not Jurrjens?

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Tko11
3 years 7 months ago

There is no about that it would affect both of them. Jacksons era when he was on the rays  was about 4.5-5. He was decent on the white sox, id say hes at best a good third starter. 

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stl_cards16
3 years 7 months ago

“He was ok last year because he had Dave Duncan”

Uh oh… FACT CHECK!   About the time Edwin Jackson was traded to the Cardinals Duncan left the team for an extended period to be with his wife and family.  Duncan returned right before the playoffs.  Jackson MAYBE had 2 weeks at most with Duncan prior to the playoffs.  Hardly enough to say Duncan is what made him have a decent year.

Not to mention Jackson has been decent for three straight years.  Jackson will be a solid signing for whoever brings him in.

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Tko11
3 years 7 months ago

Damn you got me, I dont follow the Cards directly but either way if you look at his experience in the AL East it hasnt been very good. 

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jwsox
3 years 7 months ago

because the NL is soo much more offensively challenged compared to the AL

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stl_cards16
3 years 7 months ago

I have a feeling Jackson will end up being one of the best signings of the winter.

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Wainwrights_Curveball
3 years 7 months ago

Given his volatile performances and his well documented control issues, I’m going to have disagree with you. I think he’s going to get massively overpaid.

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YanksFanSince78
3 years 7 months ago

Massively overpaid might end up being true.

However, 5 straight years of a improving FIP and a career low BB/9 last year indicates he might be improving. 

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jwsox
3 years 7 months ago

my prediction is the rangers…clearly cheaper and younger than CJ and working with maddux could help him

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3 years 7 months ago

Lets say the Braves could get Montero, where would he play? C/1B are pretty locked down.

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3 years 7 months ago

No clue, the general post is about Nunez and doesn’t even involve Montero.  It is just a few Braves fans hoping the Braves will pull one over on the Yankees.  It’s not likely, I think Cash has learned his lesson.  I like Nunez as well, even with the fielding errors his numbers for a first year aren’t that far off from Jeters (strictly talking errors).

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jsmoltz29
3 years 7 months ago

Most of the Montero talk on the Braves boards has been about trying him at LF.  Whether or not it would work though…

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jwsox
3 years 7 months ago

if it was going to work i think the yankees would have already tried it

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jwsox
3 years 7 months ago

thank you

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jwsox
3 years 7 months ago

thank you

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Guest
3 years 7 months ago

“The chance of Hughes bouncing back is greater than Jurrjens staying healthy and making a smooth transition to the AL East.”

This..

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NYPOTENCE
3 years 7 months ago

Get out of here!!!!

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Guest
3 years 7 months ago

Apparently, you don’t “lovebaseball” enough to know what you are talking about. However considering you all consider Teheran the 2nd coming of Christ, I can understand. That worked out real well with Schafer, then Heyward..but please by all means, please continue to massively over value your players. 

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Hoss10
3 years 7 months ago

Ha, you’re counting Heyward already as a bust?!  You obviously aren’t very smart.  He was hurt last year, which affected his swing.  Check back in a year and see how stupid you sound.  Hell, check back in 5, 10, 15 years I don’t care…either way you will sound like an idiot.

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JacksTigers
3 years 7 months ago

You do know that Jurrjens is terrible, right? Regardless of what Tim Kurkjan says.

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Hoss10
3 years 7 months ago

He’s terrible?  Look up his numbers.  Yes he has gotten hurt the last two years, but it’s his knee, not anything arm related.  You sound like a typical bitter Tigers fan over that Jurrjens trade, you’ll be OK buddy

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JacksTigers
3 years 7 months ago

I’m not upset about the Jurrjens trade. It didn’t really hurt us and I agreed with it 100% at the time and would agree with it again. So don’t put words in my mouth and don’t talk down to me.

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

So you are saying you wouldnt want Jurrjens as your number 2 over Burnett, hughes or Nova?

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YanksFanSince78
3 years 7 months ago

Haha x 1,000,000. ’nuff said.

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WisBrave
3 years 7 months ago

 Why would the braves want Montero other than to flip him to another team? Braves don’t need a backup catcher, or a first baseman and braves only need a DH during inter-league. He is value is much higher to a AL team than any NL team. It makes no sense for the Yankees to trade him to the Braves.

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Too Many Idiots
3 years 7 months ago

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

lol are you serious Montero in that deal Jurrjens injury prone the yanks would be getting screwed on that deal  Yanks  pass

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jwsox
3 years 7 months ago

seriously? Montero-yankees best prospect since Cano, nunez-really good can play both 3rd and SS (they need with the aging jeter and arod) Gardner- statistacally one of if not the best left fielders in the game last year, really good obp and great speed and base running whos young and cheap, plus another prospect for the braves pitcher that every beat writer, cover guy, mlb writer, fan wants the braves to trade…yeah ok 

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Chipper_is_GOD
3 years 7 months ago

Giving Jurrjens to the Yankees for a Nunez (A nobody) and a prospect (A nobody) and Nick Swisher (Pretty decent) is over value? If anything that’s still way under value.

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NYPOTENCE
3 years 7 months ago

Your statement would make sense if and only if Nunez was actually a nobody. A 24 year old SS who has reached the big leagues and has proven he can hit while attempting to play a premium position is most definitely not a ” A nobody”. 

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Chipper_is_GOD
3 years 7 months ago

He has a .313 OBP, and his fielding don’t look very good… He’s a nobody

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NYPOTENCE
3 years 7 months ago

Again, he has a 313 OBP basically getting a few at-bats per week. Giving regular time Nunez showed he can hit. Cano was a “nobody” yet look what he turned out to be.

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Chipper_is_GOD
3 years 7 months ago

We already have a SS prospect ready to come up. Nunez wouldn’t be getting much play time here either.

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Encarnacion's Parrot
3 years 7 months ago

The rate that most Braves fans overrate Pastornicky is astounding.

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Chipper_is_GOD
3 years 7 months ago

I’m not overrating him. I’m just saying we have a prospect about to come up. Nunez would have no room to play.

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Encarnacion's Parrot
3 years 7 months ago

In a way you are. Pastornicky projects to be a utility player. That’s probably why they’re interested in Nunez.

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notsureifsrs
3 years 7 months ago

a .313 wOBA and horribad defense is where nunez has set the bar. you don’t have to overrate pastornicky to think he can “keep pace” with that production. in fact, you kinda have to overrate nunez to think otherwise

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Encarnacion's Parrot
3 years 7 months ago

Yeah I kinda realized when I was typing that comment swapping Nunez for Pastornicky is basically swapping one evil for another, where one of the evil’s only has a projection, while the other has a set bar.

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YanksFanSince78
3 years 7 months ago

So then why are the Braves so interested in him?

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WrigleyTerror37
3 years 7 months ago

just my opinion. they want nunez to play ss this year while there prospect gets polished. then in 2013 turn nunez into a prado type.

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nictonjr
3 years 7 months ago

Even a .313 OBP is an enormous increase over Alex Gonzalez’ .270 last year.  Heck, if Alex Gonzalez’ OBP was .313 this year the Braves may not have completely imploded and would have made they playoffs….

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jjs91
3 years 7 months ago

Swisher is more valuable than Jurjens its that simple. 

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Chipper_is_GOD
3 years 7 months ago

Yeah, his life time .250 BA and .360 OBP is more valuable than pretty good pitcher.

Granted, Jurrjens isn’t amazing. I wont overvalue him like most Braves fans. But he’s worth more than Swisher alone.

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jjs91
3 years 7 months ago

No he’s not, he’s constantly injured, and a bit lucky but he isn’t a very good pitcher. Look at the rest of the right fielder in the league and you’ll realize just how much more valuable swisher is. 

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YanksFanSince78
3 years 7 months ago

Wow…really? Career .250 BA? Is that what you pull out your buttocks? 

How about the 26 hrs he’s avg’d over the last 3 years? 46 of 81 of which came on the road for those who want to use the “NYS is a bandbox bull”. How about the avg OBP of .360 or better for the last 3 years?

How about this morsel that will BLOW YOUR MIND? 

Only Uggla (36) and McCann(24) had more hrs than Swisher’s 23.

Swisher’s .360 OBP and wOBA of .358 would’ve lead the Braves entire team.

KABLLLOOOWWWIIIIEEEEEEEE 

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notsureifsrs
3 years 7 months ago

flawless victory

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YanksFanSince78
3 years 7 months ago

He’s so much of a nobody that the Braves have been interested in him for the last two years? ok. 

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notsureifsrs
3 years 7 months ago

to be fair, though, “the braves have been interested for a long time” is probably the best thing on his resume

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Chipper_is_GOD
3 years 7 months ago

I didn’t say he was a nobody, I said he was pretty decent. But we need more than just him.

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Jacob Swain
3 years 7 months ago

Yeah, you did: “Giving Jurrjens to the Yankees for Nunez (A nobody)…” Those were your words and parenthetical phrases exactly.

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Chipper_is_GOD
3 years 7 months ago

Were talking about Swisher, not Nunez. The Braves have wanted Swisher a few times before.

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YankeePhan1234
3 years 7 months ago

His peripherals don’t play well in the AL east, lots of walks+low K ratio, plus the lack of groundballs in Yankee stadium is a big no no. And the reoccurring injury problems in his knee is a big red flag.

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Let_Timmy_Smoke
3 years 7 months ago

exactly.  I can see the Braves having interest in both Swisher and Nunez, based on their needs.  I can also see the Yanks having strong interest in a Braves pitchers (be it Jurrjens, Beachy, Teheran).  So there’s definitely a potential match-up here.  But I think to suggest Jurrjens is worth Swisher, Nunez, AND a prospect is beyond the pale.  Swisher had a higher OPS, WAR, and wOBA than any Brave last year.  So to argue a trade of Swisher for their #3 pitcher (and honestly I think Jurrjens slots behind Hudson, Beachy, and Hanson so he might be their #4) might be more realistic.  If you throw in Nunez, who would become their starting SS, now you’re looking at a middle of the order bat and starting SS.  What’s that worth to a contending team?  I think more than Jurrjens.

    How about Swisher, Nunez, and Whelan for Beachy and O’Flaherty?

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Brv Rocks
3 years 7 months ago

I think it would be more like Jurrjens and a prospect for Nunez and Swisher.

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3 years 7 months ago

Davey O’Brien has said the Yankees would be willing to include a prospect in a deal like this. It’s not a buyers market for SP this year.

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

Nunez is way more valuable to the Yankees than a back end pitcher from the NL with injury issues and declining velocity.

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YanksFanSince78
3 years 7 months ago

JJ isn’t a back end pitcher. You are to this discussion what Michelle Bachman is to the Republicans….wayyyyy to far extreme. 

Nunez does not equal JJ. However, Nunez has very real value. It’s just a matter of fans understanding that. I’m sure the baseball guys have a better handle on things.

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Hoss10
3 years 7 months ago

A young middle IF that hasn’t shown he can handle SS is more valuable than Jurrjens, the “back end pitcher?”  Wow!  I wouldn’t want you to be the GM of my team!

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Andrew Brown
3 years 7 months ago

Not just more valuable, “…way more valuable…”

I think some of these New Yorkers are suffering from an Occupy Wall Street contact high…

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Brad322
3 years 7 months ago

yanks will NOT trade swisher

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NYPOTENCE
3 years 7 months ago

I’m sorry to bring the news to you but as far as I’m concerned the Yankees are looking for a frontline starter and Swisher has tons of value. Oh, and yeah there is a highly thought of cuban center fielder by the name Of Yoennis Cespedes.

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chris hines
3 years 7 months ago

Exactly the Yankees are looking for frontline starters, which I don’t believe Jurrjens is. Plus I wouldn’t say Swisher has “tons of value”, and I highly doubt he could bring back any better than a back end innings eater in a trade.

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NYPOTENCE
3 years 7 months ago

Never mentioned Jair Jurrjens, I said the Yankees would deal Swisher in the right deal. And Swisher can definitely be the center or at the very least a valuable trade pice for a frontline starter.

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chris hines
3 years 7 months ago

He could be part of a deal for a top 2 starter, but he wouldn’t be the center piece to the deal and at that point you’re adding top prospects and the overall value of the trade starts to slant.

In the end I think Swisher has more value on the Yankees this year than he returns in a trade. Just my opinion.

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Let_Timmy_Smoke
3 years 7 months ago

actually, I think a more likely scenario is the Yanks trade Swisher for a pitcher and sign Carlos Beltran or Josh Willingham.

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

instead of trading for Jurrjens it’s probably smarter for the Yanks to sign Edwin Jackson. He’s a very similar pitcher and he actually stays healthy.

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nicksc10
3 years 7 months ago

How are they similar? Jurrjens has had a sub 3 era 2 of the last 3 seasons. EJax has never done that.

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

wow, really? ERA rules the world I guess. Jackson had a lower FIP than Jurrjens in 2010 and 2011.

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A
3 years 7 months ago

So who allowed less runs? Just curious. Isn’t that what counts?

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

I see, ERA rules the world, any other stats are worth nothing. Why am I even arguing here!?

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Frank Drebin
3 years 7 months ago

I would love to learn all these cool advanced stats, I was kind of interested in it. I went out and got a girlfriend instead.

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sourbob
3 years 7 months ago

Have her explain them to you then.

(I love people who come on an analytical site and trash advanced stats. Maybe as a followup, you’d like to do laps around Whole Foods trashing organic food; or hang out in an auto parts store bagging on losers who fix their own car.)

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YanksFanSince78
3 years 7 months ago

bet you can’t figure her out either.

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

lmao. +1

Anyway, JJ is probably worth more than Nunez, yes.  But as a Yankee fan I would not like the Yankees to even pay Nunez for him. 

They would be better off sending Nunez with others toward the A’s or White Sox for Danks/Gio

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A
3 years 7 months ago

Well considering JJ isn’t a strikeout pitcher. Your fancy stat is a bit skewed.

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

Dude, then you really don’t understand how defense independent stats work.

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A
3 years 7 months ago

Well considering the stat “2011 FIP” for JJ was 2.98 and EJ was 2.84… It doesn’t scream better pitcher. Then consider JJ isn’t a strikeout pitcher. Then consider end results. What’s to argue? He is better. I don’t think he’s an Ace nor do I think he’s worth Montero, but I think he’s much much better than what he is given credit for and im getting tired of hearing otherwise. Give the dude a break and admit his good performance.

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3 years 7 months ago

I don’t think their FIP should be in the 2s, C.C. might be in the 2s, the base is like 3.1, 3.2 or something. So check your sources, but I could be wrong tho.

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A
3 years 7 months ago

My apologies.You are correct. The base is 3.2… Mixed up my calculation

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

After reading many of A’s posts it has become clear to me that he has no idea what he is talking about. Just ignore him, not worth feeding the troll.

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chris hines
3 years 7 months ago

Actually Jurrjens FIP this year was 3.99 and Edwin’s was 3.55.

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A
3 years 7 months ago

Well considering the stat “2011 FIP” for JJ was 2.98 and EJ was 2.84… It doesn’t scream better pitcher. Then consider JJ isn’t a strikeout pitcher. Then consider end results. What’s to argue? He is better. I don’t think he’s an Ace nor do I think he’s worth Montero, but I think he’s much much better than what he is given credit for and im getting tired of hearing otherwise. Give the dude a break and admit his good performance.

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Fifty_Five
3 years 7 months ago

Then what is he, a ground ball pitcher? Because EJ’s had a better GB% over the past three years. Or is JJ a flyball pitcher? There’s one thing he’s got going for him vs. Jackson. More flyballs. That’ll do great in New York

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Septhinox
3 years 7 months ago

Lol That’s why he mentioned FIP. But if you don’t understand FIP, no need discussing this any further.

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nictonjr
3 years 7 months ago

Cashman is one of the saber pioneers.  He knows what FIP etc mean.   He can also see the 4.64 ERA in 20 starts in the NL East last year.  

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Madman2TX
3 years 7 months ago

Still think Pujols or Fielder to Rangers is very remote. They do need to lock up Josh first and pitching is the priority. Maybe if they whiff on pitching, can’t lock up Josh and still have money to spend, they think about it again…but I sincerely doubt they will commit to more than 5 years on any player. Thank you, Hicks.

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

They won’t get either of them. I feel like Josh will give the Rangers a slight discount to stay here. That way we can afford some quality pitching. Hambone is treated like royalty here and he’s a stand up guy. I don’t see him leaving at all.

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NYPOTENCE
3 years 7 months ago

Don’t you think you’re thinking way too pistively???? I mean look at the 3 top positional free agents: Pujols, Reyes and Fielder. With the exception of Reyes they are both in strong organizations that made it to the playoffs last year and they are still not willing to give a single cent back. 

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chris hines
3 years 7 months ago

None has an extensive drug history which will make other clubs scared of a breakdown, and none of them were given a second chance at baseball life which took off with the Rangers. I don’t know if he will give them some kind of break on the contract, but I wouldn’t doubt that he would.

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3 years 7 months ago

I don’t think you can compare Hamilton to Fielder, Pujols, or Reyes.
I still believe Pujols will stay with the Cards.
We all know Fielder and Reyes are driven by money.

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Vossome93
3 years 7 months ago

If Pujols leaves a championship team to play for the Cubs I will lose my mind.

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sourbob
3 years 7 months ago

I could not be more confident the Cubs are not pursuing Pujols or Fielder.

Evidence:
1) Theo said that big free agent signings are not for rebuilding teams. They are for teams that are close and need one more push. Then he said we are not that team.
2) He also said that big free agent signings only make sense to him when you’re talking about an up the middle guy entering his prime. Pujols plays on the wrong end of the spectrum and is 31.
3) The Cubs have made it clear they’re willing to trade veterans to restock the farm system. In what alternate universe does it make sense to say, deal Matt Garza for kids, then plunk a $25MM Pujols at 1B to watch those kids lose 90 games?

Really, Theo and Jed have done just about everything short of cross-stitch a pillow with the words “Pujols to Cubs… never gonna happen.”

So don’t worry, Vossome93.

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imachainsaw
3 years 7 months ago

“I could not be more confident the Cubs are not pursuing Fielder.”

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Seth
3 years 7 months ago

I could see Jurrjens being a 4 or 5 in New York. His youth should give him somewhat of an edge against the top tier AL East, meaning he may not get exposed AS QUICK. But once again, we just dont have the payroll flexibility for someone like Swisher. We can really only hope for Josh Willingham type players in terms of cost. Which is why I’m in favor of just getting a few cheap free agents and go into the season with them, rather than search for a big trade like last year. If we could get Nunez though that would be wonderful, just not for Jurrjens, because I don’t see the Yankees giving us what we’d need in return with our $$$ issues.