Heyman On Fielder, Madson, Jurrjens, Capuano

In addition to Albert Pujols, Jose Reyes, and Mark Buehrle, the Marlins made an offer to free agent closer Ryan Madson, reports SI's Jon Heyman.  Unlike the other three, the Madson offer has yet to inspire a visit to Miami.  Heyman notes that the proposals are preliminary, and the team is not concerned about all four accepting.  Marlins president David Samson explained Saturday on 790 The Ticket with Glenn Geffner that the team has a free agent flow chart in which they expect a playoff team with every outcome (transcript courtesy of Joe Capozzi of the Palm Beach Post).  More from Heyman…

  • The Mariners will make a run at Prince Fielder, tweets Heyman, but they're unsure if there's room in the budget.  Heyman suggests the Ms will not be in on Pujols.
  • Heyman explains the mess that was the Phillies' negotiations with Madson.  He says Phillies GM Ruben Amaro Jr. proposed $44MM over four years, which Madson accepted an hour or two later.  Oddly, Amaro added at that point that he needed the approval of CEO David Montgomery, according to Heyman.  The next day Amaro told agent Scott Boras he'd been unable to get that approval.  However, Amaro told Heyman there was no agreement "either verbal or in writing," and also said, "I will stand by my history of integrity forever."  Amaro also said Montgomery was aware of the negotiations as they occurred and wasn't responsible for killing the deal.  It appears Amaro and Boras are not on the same page as to what constitutes an agreement.
  • The Braves seek a Zack Greinke-like deal for Jair Jurrjens, writes Heyman.  He later tweeted, "Jurrjens understandably popular on trade market. A star and only 25. You know Yankees, Red Sox, Rangers, others are in."
  • The Mets have crossed Chris Capuano off their list given his desire for a two-year deal.


126 Responses to Heyman On Fielder, Madson, Jurrjens, Capuano Leave a Reply

  1. So you won’t give Capuano two years…but you’ll consider bringing back Pelfrey…come on Sandy…

    • Rick Garcia 4 years ago

      I think it’s a sad but ok move. Capuano pitched well but maybe not well enough for Sandy to feel comfortable giving him 2 years. 

      He’ll get it elsewhere though.

      • Yes, the Orioles should be on this! I am sure all my Oriole friends will agree with me LOL!

    • MetsMagic 4 years ago

      Pelfrey has trade value. Capuano will be a logjam in a year. 

  2. Royals Fan 4 years ago

    Well, that’s that.  It looks like Jurrjens will stay in Atlanta then.

    • bjsguess 4 years ago

      In what crazy universe is Jurrjens remotely similar to Greinke.

      • In the universe of end results and not how you got there.  I wouldn’t give a Greink-esque package of prospects for him though.

      • The_Porcupine 4 years ago

        I’m not even sure I’d give a Greinke-esque package for Greinke!

      • Guest 4 years ago

        Its called the NL East. The craziest of crazies..

      • Greinke had one amazing season.  The rest of his career has been decent but not frontline ace stuff.  Throw in the fact that he has anxiety issues and his limited playoff showings have looked marginal at best.

    • stl_cards16 4 years ago

      The Royals haul for Greinke was less than impressive.  I still think it might be a bit much for Jurrjens, but it’s not like the Royals raided someones system for Greinke.

      • johnsilver 4 years ago

        Yeah. KC did kind of get robbed for Grienke, but that haul of talent is way too much for Jurrjens.. His being a flyball pitcher will scare away several alone from giving up much, if not interested at all.

        • How can you say that the Royals got robbed when only two of the players they received have even played at the big league for the Royals level yet? 

          Escobar is a rare talent in the middle of the diamond.  His defense is superb and will most likely only continue to get better, just as his bat.  Cain has just been handed the starting center field job after the melky trade and he looks to be an immediate impact player.  Jeffress showed signs of his immense potential early in the season.  His stuff is never questioned.  They can do a number of things with him going forward be it in the rotation or back of the bullpen.  And Odorizzi has gotten his stuff straight and looked absolutely filthy this year in the minors.  High number of starts, more than 1 K per inning, at two different levels. His High A stats are very impressive. He seems to have a very high ceiling. 

          Brewers overpaid for two years of an expensive pitcher and a below average SS in Yuni.  The Royals in return go two impact starting position players under team control for multiple seasons and two dynamic arms.  HOW ON EARTH DID THEY GET ROBBED ???

          • Guest 4 years ago

            Have to agree with you. I think the Royals did pretty well on that trade. Cain and Escobar alone make that trade worth it. 

          • rundmc1981 4 years ago

            Agreed, too early to tell that KC got robbed, but I was surprised how much CHC gave up for Matt Garza in terms of quality and quantity compared to the Greinke deal. 

          • johnsilver 4 years ago

            Grienke was the best SP available at the time pretty much and KC could have moved him to 29 teams, after all who would not have paid through the nose for a SP of Grienke’s talent with 2 full seasons of control left?

            This is not a Garza type pitcher (whom I also like) but at the time one of the top SP in the game and he should have depleted most any team’s ML depth to acquire. That is why. Garza got more (as someone has posted below) and if Cain somehow moves this winter, he should be in about the same class prospect wise as grienke was.

          • setupunchtag 4 years ago

            It would have helped the Royals had Greinke not demanded the trade, and then nixed a trade with the Nationals which would have garnered the Royals a better package than they got with Milwaukee. So not all 29 teams would or could have been Greinke destinations. Friedman had no such constraints in trading Garza.

          • setupunchtag 4 years ago

            It would have helped the Royals had Greinke not demanded the trade, and then nixed a trade with the Nationals which would have garnered the Royals a better package than they got with Milwaukee. So not all 29 teams would or could have been Greinke destinations. Friedman had no such constraints in trading Garza.

    • It’s posturing. Jurrjens will be moved this offseason.

      • Guest 4 years ago

        If it is posturing perhaps someone should let Wren know he should do it on dry ground and not in heaping piles of cow dung.

        • rundmc1981 4 years ago

          When the best starting pitchers available are playing in Japan, a converted reliever coming off a bad postseason, and an inconsistent, well-travelled starter (Edwin Jackson), if the current market isn’t in cow dung, it’s close to it. Yeah, if ATL gets anywhere close to anything like the Greinke deal, you know it’s bad.

    • rundmc1981 4 years ago

      I guess all the people commenting on this hasn’t even negotiated their car insurance, let alone anything else to know how a deal starts. Keep reporting Heyman that we want the moon for JJ, knowing good and well that when the losers during the CJ Wilson and Edwin Jackson (?!?!) sweepstakes will think about for a second. The market is too shallow for starting pitching not to set the price and stick with it as the pieces fall around you…which is just what is happening when 6 teams are bidding on CJ Wilson. Put this ridiculous offering in the back of your memory and come back when Edwin Jackson gets his millions. I am not a big fan of Jurrjens, but he is more consistent and has a higher ceiling than Jackson ever will, injuries or not. 

      And note, I wouldn’t want a Greinke-like deal considering none of those guys really have looked as good a year into the deal as many of ATL’s top prospects. That could change, but that’s just after a year.

      • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

        “I am not a big fan of Jurrjens, but he is more consistent and has a higher ceiling than Jackson ever will, injuries or not”. 

        What? Even with his inconsistincies Jackson has posted better numbers than JJ.

        5 years of declining FIP. 

        11.2 WAR vs 6.6 WAR over the last 3 years.

        Much better “pure” stuff (94.5 FB avg over the last 3 years vs 5 years of a declining FB that ended up around 89 mph in 2011).

        Not only does he have better stuff but he’s been much more durable and has shown he can be , at minimum, a solid #3 or #4 in the AL. His most obvious drawback is his walk ratio but even that has been as good (2.94, 3.35, 2.79) if not close to JJ’s (3.14, 3.25, 2.61). At least EJ misses more bats and has the stuff to overpower a hitter.

        • bravesdude 4 years ago

          JJ’s fastball has always been 89-93MPH up til last year . It’s been said on several Braves team shows that the decline in velocity was intentional to have a better command and pitch placement . This would account for his BB/9 being better last year than any other year and his career AVG . WL for both the last 3 years ….Jurrjens(last 2 years having some time on the DL) 34-22 / Jackson 35-30 . I’m not gonna do the math , but it would look to me that Jurrjens WL % is better than Jackson’s .

  3. Russell Stephens 4 years ago

    at this rate the marlins probably made an offer to mccourt as well

  4. Guest 4 years ago

    “The Braves seek a Zack Greinke-like deal for Jair Jurrjens, writes Heyman.”

    Entirely understandable considering Jurrjens has had such consistent success and those Cy Young awards on his resume.

    • BaseballLogic_Braves 4 years ago

      I know… They simply aren’t getting a return for just him. Now they did trade Yuniesky Betancourt with Greinke, so maybe that’s what they’re talking about with JJ and Prado.

    • Jurrjens is a Boras client.  And since Heyman is essentially part of the media wing of the Boras Corp, it’s not surprising he’s trying to overstate Jurrjens’ value.

  5. If the Braves sign both Madson and Reyes the Mets will only get their 3rd rounder. that’s amusingly sad.

    • Whatever drugs your taking…please share. There is no way in hell that’s happening. Braves aren’t given that amount of money to spend.

    • They aren’t even going to offer a contract to either player

    • rundmc1981 4 years ago

      I really hope you meant the Marlins, because my Braves can’t afford the letterhead for the contract offering to either of those.

      • Guest 4 years ago

        haha. the braves have a good core as it is though. You’ll never no what to expect year to year from Atlanta.

      • Guest 4 years ago

        haha. the braves have a good core as it is though. You’ll never no what to expect year to year from Atlanta.

    • Yeahhh I meant Marlins, I’m still trying to figure out how I made that mistake, they don’t even start with the same letters.

  6. Rick Garcia 4 years ago

    Someone woke up the Marlins this year…

    • rundmc1981 4 years ago

      So that explains their uniforms coming from a Caribbean nightmare. 

    • rundmc1981 4 years ago

      You can ask for whatever you want. Let’s see if anyone comes close to it. 

  7. Jim McGrath 4 years ago

    Marlins how about Anabel Sanchez and Logan Morrison for Ellsbury with your new park to have a Gold Glove and a Silver Slugger. 

    • Guest 4 years ago

      Only one problem with that proposal: Ellsbury will be looking for about a billion dollars in a year, so…

      • rundmc1981 4 years ago

        Agreed, this guy is going to get paid so much money it’s ridiculous.

        • Guest 4 years ago

          Matt Kemp just created that market for Ellsbury. Man, the Red Sox have some issues to work through these next two years. Not saying Ellsbury is the issue, but there is no way any intelligent baseball person would have upwards of $60mm committed annually, to all three OF positions for the next 6-8 years. I mean that’s just flat out stupid. I’m very curious to see what comes of the Ellsbury negotiations in the coming year. I’m thinking they trade him, but then again, having Boras as his agent and Ellsbury’s desire to get that large contract, I can’t see any team trading much for the inevitable limited fix. 

          • Ellsbury is still Arb eligible.  Let’s see what he does next year before we start declaring him the next $160M player

          • Amish_willy 4 years ago

            No kidding. Dude’s 2011 homerun total was close to the same as the THREE years prior. If he hits 15-20 longballs next year are people still going to be thinking Kemp/Manny money for Ellsbury?

          • Yankees420 4 years ago

            Going in to 2011, he had 20 career HRs, while hitting 32 this year…..the guys ISO doubled from any previous full season.  Did he do something to his mechanics?

        • Amish_willy 4 years ago

          Assuming his power doesn’t start evaporating.

      • rundmc1981 4 years ago

        Agreed, this guy is going to get paid so much money it’s ridiculous.

    •  Maybe Nolasco and Gaby, but not Anibal and definitely not LoMo

    • dc21892 4 years ago

      Or maybe Boston just keeps him. Much better deal.

  8. HolaAmigas 4 years ago

    I could see the Angels trying to sign this guy to be their closer with the departure of Fernando Rodney.

  9. cardsfan1988 4 years ago

     If I was Wilson, I would feel left out, every other big name free agent is getting offers from Miami. Tomorrows headline: Miami to meet with CJ Wilson…and then Tuesdays headline: Miami makes offer to Wilson.

    • stl_cards16 4 years ago

      Tomorrow is Tuesday. But hey, why wait a day?

  10. sonofsnake 4 years ago

    If JJ is a “star” Doug Fister is Jesus.

  11. sonofsnake 4 years ago

    If JJ is a “star” Doug Fister is Jesus.

  12. wonder if the Tigers willing to take Jair back along with Prado for Rayburn Young and Peralta.

    Tigers get J.J Prado and Cunningham for Rayburn Young and J. Peralta

  13. bravesdude 4 years ago

    please see above ^

  14. bravesdude 4 years ago

    sorry…meant to be a reply to sonofsnake

    • sonofsnake 4 years ago

      So your measurement for TOR stuff is ERA?

      • bravesdude 4 years ago

        No it’s more than ERA . It’s his character , his career stats , his W-L’s on a team like the Braves that don’t score a lot of runs .

        His career numbers :
        50-33 , .602 , 3.40 , HR/9=0.7 , BB/9=3.1(but dropped to 2.6 last year)

        IN comparison to Zach Greinke
        76-73 , .510 , 3.83 , HR/9=0.9 , BB/9=2.3

        Not looking at the names , just the numbers . Who would you rather have pitching for you ? The only thing that Greinke has the edge on at this point in their careers is a better walk ratio and strike out ratio . But those numbers don’t indicate who is gonna win you more games .

        Last season WAR
        Jurrjens  3.8
        Greinke  1.7

        • Amish_willy 4 years ago

          The two years before the Brewers traded for Greinke he had WAR’s of 2.3 and 9.0, JJ two previous years right now are 3.8 and -.1.  11.3 vs. 3.7 or 449 IP vs. 268 IP. Think you’re underestimating things teams looking for pitching admire most, strikeout’s and innings pitched, not to mention Greinke’s monster 2009 season that was only a year removed at the time.

          • bravesdude 4 years ago

            You can strike out 10-12 batters a game and still give up 4-5 ruuns a game and lose . It doesn’t matter how you get the outs as long as you get them . Not really comparing the two , but if you were to just look at strikeout averages , Greg Maddux while his in Atlanta only averaged 6-7 strikeouts per game and was dominant . Jurrjens career average is 6.2 .
             
            And Jurrjens had a good first half to the year that had him in the discussion for the CY Young before the AS break and his injury .

        • sonofsnake 4 years ago

          Grienke any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

          BR WAR

          Jurrjens: 3.8
          Greinke: 1.7

          Fangraphs WAR

          Jurrjens 1.5
          Greinke 3.9

          K rate, BB rate, GB rate, Park factors and innings mean a lot more to me than ERA W/L and “character” do.

          • bravesdude 4 years ago

            ERA determines wether or not you give your team a chance to win . If you only give up 3 runs a game instead of 5 and your team scores 4 , then thats a win instead of a loss . So don’t tell me that ERA doesn’t matter .

          • sonofsnake 4 years ago

            I never said ERA didn’t matter, just that it doesn’t matter as much as the things I mentioned above.

            Would you argue that Jeff Karstens is a better pitcher than Chris Carpenter, Felix Hernandez or David Price because he had a lower ERA than them this season?   

          • bravesdude 4 years ago

            That kid had a decent year . You put him on a that scores more runs like the Cards or Rays , and he would have had an even better year as far as WL .

            And those guys have already proven themselves or were known prospects before they ever pitched at the big league level . Whose to say that on a different team 2 or 3 years down the road that we won’t be comparing Karstens with unproven talent . He has only really started the last three seasons and gotten better every year those last three .

  15. bravesdude 4 years ago

    maybe . Actually , at least Peralta would be a filler in SS .

    • Yankees420 4 years ago

      Peralta would be a “filler”?  The guy was the third most valuable SS in baseball (fWAR) and had the 3rd highest wOBA among SS, while playing good defense.  There is no way he’d be considered a filler for a team that had one of the worst offensive SS in baseball last year.

      • bravesdude 4 years ago

        Don’t get your man panties in a wad . The Braves clearly see Pastornicky as their possible SS of the future . I would honestly just as soon see Peralta fill that hole and be done with it . But they see Pastornicky as a high prospect and future big leaguer .

        • Yankees420 4 years ago

          Man panties? Creative….anyway, I just didn’t understand calling him filler, since he has a lot of value. 

  16. Mariners4Ever 4 years ago

    ” They’re unsure if there’s room in the budget”…. don’t start with that same old same old routine M’s. Just get it done for god sake.

    • No. I don’t want the marienrs to be hamstrung with another huge contract. Hold off the big money deals for another year please.

      Thanks.

      • Mariners4Ever 4 years ago

        You’ll be so surprise to have egg on your face sir when they do actully sign him! Count on it!.

      • sonofsnake 4 years ago

        Given the contractual obligations that come off of the Mariners payroll after next season I don’t see a 22-25 million dollar a season salary to Prince Fielder hampering the Mariners too much. 

        The M’s have money to play with this season while also paying 28 million(approx.) to Ichiro Vargas and League.

        Assuming the M’s return to their current payroll following a single season spike this season, they would have Fielder money + whatever money they have to spend this off-season.  Add in another 9 million in salary relief Figgins contract expires following 2013 and there should be plenty of money for ARB raises, roll players and maybe even a Felix re-signing. 

  17. My guess is the Yankees aren’t in if the Braves are looking for a killing in prospect for Jurrjens.  The last 2 years he’s barely started 20 games per for the Braves.  I’m sure the Yankees would prefer a lefty starter to go along with CC.

  18. craigkimbrelfan 4 years ago

    I actually wouldn’t mind having JJ around another year or at least the first half until one of Delgado or Teheran can solidify a rotation spot.  It’s going to be a young, young staff.  Contending teams might be willing to pay more for him at next year’s deadline, too.  We could probably afford to move him at that point, regardless of if we were contending or not. 

  19. Jim McGrath 4 years ago

    Angels —Ellsbury for Bourjos, Santana and a prospect–you have Ells for two years and Borass lives around the corner. By the time he becomes a FA Wells’ contract will be up.

    Is anyone interested in Ellsbury??? Gold Glove, Silver Slugger…let’s make a deal!

  20. Jim McGrath 4 years ago

    Angels —Ellsbury for Bourjos, Santana and a prospect–you have Ells for two years and Borass lives around the corner. By the time he becomes a FA Wells’ contract will be up.

    Is anyone interested in Ellsbury??? Gold Glove, Silver Slugger…let’s make a deal!

  21. RiverKKiller999 4 years ago

    Wren is doing the right thing by asking for a Greinke-like package for Jurrjens. More than likely he probably won’t get it, and he might look stupid for asking but they could settle with giving him something just as good. I’d be patient with JJ right now if I was Wren. Some one is bound to overpay for him.  

    • Amish_willy 4 years ago

      Not hard to imagine Greinke having twice as much trade value last year as JJ does now. Greinke had thrown atleast 202 IP the three years prior whereas JJ has thrown only 116 & 152 these past two years with him crossing the 200 IP three years ago.

      Doesn’t mean they won’t get a nice package for him, they will, but the one guy was a year removed from a CY season under control for two years where the other guy has a ton more question marks without the same kind of ceiling or resume. Of course asking and receiving are two different things. Seems silly to ask for that kind of package considering he’s a far less desireable piece.

  22. RiverKKiller999 4 years ago

    Wren is doing the right thing by asking for a Greinke-like package for Jurrjens. More than likely he probably won’t get it, and he might look stupid for asking but they could settle with giving him something just as good. I’d be patient with JJ right now if I was Wren. Some one is bound to overpay for him.  

  23. Jim McGrath 4 years ago

    Orioles here’s a guy to build around—Jacoby Ellsbury could be your leadoff batter  or a #3 batter with power for Adam Jones and Jim Johnson.

    • dc21892 4 years ago

      That makes absolutely no sense. Why would Boston trade Ellsbury? Better yet, why would they do it within the division?

      • NickinIthaca 4 years ago

        Better yet what the hell does Ellsbury have to do with the article?

      • Tko11 4 years ago

        Why would they want Jim Johnson…

  24. Jim McGrath 4 years ago

    Orioles here’s a guy to build around—Jacoby Ellsbury could be your leadoff batter  or a #3 batter with power for Adam Jones and Jim Johnson.

  25. I’d be shocked if the M’s got Fielder. As a M’s fan, I wouldn’t be too happy, either. He will be out of baseball by 32, meaning anything we pay over 4 years will be thrown away.

    • CrustyJuggler 4 years ago

      His dad, Cecil, was FAR less athletic and was a quality hitter until his age 34 season. I don’t see why Prince would be less so. He is definitely worth at least 6 years in my eyes. I’d be a little weary of 8 though.

    • CrustyJuggler 4 years ago

      His dad, Cecil, was FAR less athletic and was a quality hitter until his age 34 season. I don’t see why Prince would be less so. He is definitely worth at least 6 years in my eyes. I’d be a little weary of 8 though.

      • his dad had a much bigger frame to carry all the weight around no?

      • He hit 30 homers and .245 after his age 32 season (two seasons combined). Cecil weighed 230. Prince is listed at 275. Look up guys like him. Mo Vaughn. There’s a few more. You will see that they produced up until their age 32 season and tailed off…

        • sonofsnake 4 years ago

          Mo Vaughn had an .805 ops in 139 games at age 34.

    • dc21892 4 years ago

      I’m not doing the research for you, but check out how durable he’s been over the years. One of the tops in baseball.

      • walrusgod 4 years ago

        Although Fielder has been extremely durable so far, it’s always dangerous to use past health as an absolute indicator of future health.  Fielder is a very heavy dude and there’s always the possibility that his weight will start to take a toll on his knees soon, and that he’ll be much less durable in 3-4 years.  I’m not saying it’s going to happen (I definitely don’t think he’ll be out of baseball at 32), but it’s definitely possible that his career arc will start heading downwards sooner than other players because of his build.

        Perhaps the biggest question regarding Fielder’s durability will be “if he gets injured, will he recover as quickly from the injury as other players?”  I could see Fielder having more trouble recovering from a knee/lower leg injury than other players, and that should be a concern for anyone signing him to a gigantic contract.

  26. 14 Rocks 4 years ago

    The Braves should be heavily marketing Jurrjens in the trade market rather than Prado.  After the top free agent pitchers sign their new deals the value of Jurrjens should increase exponentially. 

  27. Duke15 4 years ago

    Report Update: Contract offers to Pujols, Reyes, Madson include an approximate total of $250 MM of deferred compensation, over the next 30 years.

  28. Jair Jurrjens is a star?  If star = solid #3, then yes, he is a star.

  29. jamincito 4 years ago

    well i hope fielder can go to seattle …  if seattle picks him up, it might motivate other players to go to seattle.. Maybe Grady Sizemore and Ryan Doumit who are from seattle .  Imagine that lineup  ichi,ryan,ackley,fielder,smoak,doumit,sizemore,olivo, carp..  and seattle has the right pitching to back it up  maybe a frank francisco in the pen…… awesome…. and please stop comparing jurrjens to greinke…..  jurrgens had a prettty nice first half  but remember that when greinke got traded, he already was cy  young……   piece out

  30. philabaltfan 4 years ago

    Jon Heyman is such a jerk as he knows he was duped by Scott Boras and now is trying to cover his tracks.  Everyone knows the Phillies run a tight ship and they have not leaked information in awhile.  Why would they do it now?

  31. Sniderlover 4 years ago

    “Jurrjens understandably popular on trade market. A star and only 25. You know Yankees, Red Sox, Rangers, others are in.”

    A star, really? Stop talking about baseball, Heyman. 

    • bravesdude 4 years ago

      This is why Heyman and others get paid to do what they do . Cause they obviously know more about MLB players than the fans who try to be MLB analyst and rank players on what they think they know . And thats why you sir aren’t making the $$$ Heyman is .

      • Yankees420 4 years ago

        What is Heyman’s salary?  And how do you know Sniderlover doesn’t make as much or more?

        • bravesdude 4 years ago

          $1,000,000.00 a year . LOL . Heck , I don’t really know . But I do know that Jurrjens would be a #1 on at least 1/3 of all the MLB teams . He may not dazzle you with a 95+ fastball or a breaking ball that breaks two feet . But the guy gets outs and doesn’t give up a lot of runs . And he is one of those guys that seems to get tougher when he has runners on . Should he be called an elite player ? No . But a star ? Possibly , considering that he went to the AS game last year as on of the Best pitchers in baseball before the AS break .

  32. Its been in the owners pockets all along. Who would have guessed?

  33. Tomahawk237 4 years ago

    They are just using their credit card. Wait until they get the bill later on…

  34.  Loria has been pocketing up to 50m$ per year in profits since 2006, it’s well documented in the leaked financial statements.  They claimed they were broke, just to get the new stadium approved on the city’s dime.  Again, this is well documented.

  35. Lastings 4 years ago

    Then Loria will sell, he had no problem selling the Expos.

  36. Guest 4 years ago

    You’re correct and whether or not anything will ever come out about this tactic, the Marlins have been stock piling cash for this day. In the distorted universe we live in, all the stars (literally) are aligned. As scary as it is, I actually do believe that Pujols and Reyes get something done and go to Miami. I also see the Marlins making a trade or two and part of me has to wonder if they approach the Yanks. I can’t remember what clause Soriano has in his contract, but based on current signings and what appears to play out for other closers this offseason, wouldn’t it be something if the Yanks traded Soriano or Burnett, Soriano + cash to the Marlins to round out the back of their rotation and bullpen. Soriano is purely a luxury and depth for the Yanks at the moment. He was spectacular on the Rays (in FL) and I could see him getting his game on down in Miami. I’m just talking out my arse, but the Marlins could match up with the Yanks here. 

  37. lefty177 4 years ago

    very interesting points you brought up, if all of what you said were to actually happen then I honestly think the NL East will be next year’s AL East of the past 6 years (Yankees, Red Sox, Rays all powerhouses), now we have the Phils, Nats are coming along, if this happens then the Marlins, & the Braves

  38. Guest 4 years ago

    If what I say happens, the Marlins will destroy everyone in the NL, let alone the NL East and the Phillies should have a lot to be concerned about at the moment. I’m still shaking my head (even at this moment) over the Papelbon signing. None of this makes sense. In 12 months, the Phillies are going to have some real problems on there hands. I just don’t get what they are doing.  

    And I’m 99.999998% sure that Cashman receives a call on Soriano. 2 years and $22mm is exactly what the Marlins are looking for (in fact any team seeking a closer). I think Miami is the best of all options and I do believe Soriano would love it there. We’ll see, but you have a ninja GM (Cashman) and a very aggressive front office in the Marlins at the moment. 

  39. rundmc1981 4 years ago

    Yup, this is playing out just like the Heat last year. All this hype and paying for all this press for an early exit and a few more jerseys sold. 

  40. rundmc1981 4 years ago

    Yup, this is playing out just like the Heat last year. All this hype and paying for all this press for an early exit and a few more jerseys sold. 

  41. johnsilver 4 years ago

    Huizinga built his ’97 Fish like this..Signing all those top FA, Kevin Brown, Bobby Bo, Alex fernandez over the winter of ’96 then tore them right back down over the next 2 seasons when the people of Miami still wouldn’t support a WS winner, nor a star studded team. Same with the ’03 Fish owned by John Henry.. No support, but star studded teams..beckett, Burnet, Lowel.

  42. Yankees420 4 years ago

    Soriano is actually owed 26MM, but I’m sure the Yankees could throw in 4MM or so if need be.  

  43. bravesdude 4 years ago

    Umm…he was a STAR . An All-Star . He was also one of the best pitchers in baseball before the AS break . Only Josh Johnson had a better ERA . That means his ERA was lower (at the AS break and before injury) than Kershaw , Holliday , Lee , etc . Not saying that he as good or better . But you could argue the fact the he has top of the rotation stuff or at least the potential for it .

  44. robothero 4 years ago

    I agree. JJ has definitely proven a few times now that he is a top of the rotation starter for half the season.

  45. if you’re referring to the Heat losing the NBA finals as an “early exit,” well I….. I have no words for you

  46. if you’re referring to the Heat losing the NBA finals as an “early exit,” well I….. I have no words for you

  47. bravesdude 4 years ago

    The kids only 25 . Some people on here act as though he is coming to the end of his career thinking that he will never pitch a full season . And maybe not according to some stat ratings , but production wise before injuries , he has gotten a little better each year it seems . The guy has value . When he can stay healthy for a full season , which could be very well be this next , he could suprise alot of doubters by winning 15-18 games and going to another AS game . Then every one , including GMs , will sit there and scratch their butts and say “Well , I guess I should have made that deal when I had the chance” .

    There have been pitchers before who have been injured and came back to have even better careers afterwards . Injuries are a pretty common thing in any sport .

  48. Amish_willy 4 years ago

    His inability to make his starts these past two years will hamper his trade value a ton. To the point where even including him in the same sentance as Greinke is nothing more then wishful thinking. If he had pitched 200 innings + these past two years the stance would carry much more weight. A team will trade for him with the idea of getting lucky, in that him staying healthy and being the effective self he’s shown over shorter stints.

    Very hard to get full value for a guy who can’t stay on the field. Yeah, he’s young enough for his career to change course, but it doesn’t mean the Braves are going to get that kind of return.

  49. Jeff 4 years ago

    Let’s put it this way, I’d be perfectly fine with keeping JJ and trading Hanson.

  50. bravesdude 4 years ago

    I would too . Others have disagreed with this on another blog I am on (TC) , but I would rather trade Hanson . Hanson has that herky-jerky pitch motion that scares me . Jurrjens has a free and easy pitching motion that will go a lot further in the injury department . Yeah I know Jurrjens was injured last year , but it was his knee . It wasn’t his shoulder or arm . Less likely to affect him down the road .

  51. rundmc1981 4 years ago

    My bad, I forgot they went to the Finals. But with the pomp they entered, isn’t that a disappointment. 

    Forgive me, I follow the NBA like Miami fans follow the Marlins — on Mike Stanton bobblehead nights.

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