Quick Hits: Cespedes, Red Sox, Phillies, Barmes

Congratulations to Justin Verlander, the 2011 American League MVP. Here are some links for Monday night, starting with a note on the contract status of one of Verlander’s former teammates…

  • The value of the Yankees' 2013 option on Curtis Granderson increased from $13MM to $15MM thanks to the center fielder's top-five finish in the MVP voting.
  • Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com hears Cuban center fielder Yoenis Cespedes could obtain $45MM and suggests the 26-year-old will eventually sign for “quite a bit more” (Twitter link). One evaluator told Bob Elliott of the Toronto Sun that Cespedes will sign for “way over [the] top” money (Twitter link). It appears that he’ll cost $35-50MM, if not more.
  • Red Sox GM Ben Cherington confirmed Craig Shipley will no longer be the team’s VP of player personnel and international operations, according to Alex Speier of WEEI.com (on Twitter).
  • Ryne Sandberg will return as the Phillies’ Triple-A manager in 2012, according to MLB.com’s Carrie Muskat
  • ESPN.com’s Keith Law doesn’t endorse the Piratestwo-year, $10.5MM deal with Clint Barmes. Pittsburgh would have been better off picking up Ronny Cedeno’s $3MM option for 2012, Law argues. 
  • Jim Callis of Baseball America looks back at the 2005-07 drafts and shows that the Cardinals (24) and Padres (22) have developed the most Major Leaguers from those three drafts to this point.


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29 Comments on "Quick Hits: Cespedes, Red Sox, Phillies, Barmes"


Cheeseballs
3 years 8 months ago

I’d like to see a list of names of the players that made the transition to the bigs by team

Backup_Slider
3 years 8 months ago

There is a draft filter tool on Baseball Reference that will allow you to see them by team by year in perhaps under a half-hour. It’s accessible via the more+ pull-down menu toward the upper right of the Baseball Reference home page. I went through a few teams’ lists myself. Come join me.

Yankees420
3 years 8 months ago

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East Coast Bias
3 years 8 months ago

Wow, you actually won? Congrats!! 

(now just take out the censor bypass curse word from your post or it’ll get deleted)

Yankees420
3 years 8 months ago

Yup, I didn’t believe it at first, but now I’m super stoked…..I desperately needed some grocery money. 

(Really?  That sucks, I fixed it.)

vonhayesdays
3 years 8 months ago

Time to get drunk and high  fools  !!

chico65
3 years 8 months ago

I think the latter may already be taken care of for mr 420

vonhayesdays
3 years 8 months ago

welcome back Ryne ,  ready to take over the phillies 2014 

Corey Colgan
3 years 8 months ago

danny knobler is a total goon and doesnt know anything

Bob George
3 years 8 months ago

Any warm body is better than Ronny Cedeno.

twenty1thirteen
3 years 8 months ago

Keith Law doesn’t endorse a move? Wow, huge loss of credibility there…

Chris Whitby
3 years 8 months ago

To be fair, there are a lot of boneheaded moves in the FA season. He also praised the Doumit signing in the same article.

3 years 8 months ago

To be fair, there are a lot of boneheaded moves in the FA season… this is true with most of those moves done by my Orioles! I didn’t read the article and I am not going to but “The Penguin” aka Keith Law strikes again. If the Pirates wanted Clint Barnes they wanted Clint Barnes. I would have liked the Orioles to have signed Doumit because he is somewhat versatile and probable would have helped.

mmiller54
3 years 8 months ago

Don’t worry you can give the twins 2 worthless relievers for him in July.

mmiller54
3 years 8 months ago

Don’t worry you can give the twins 2 worthless relievers for him in July.

daveineg
3 years 8 months ago

Law is exactly right about Barmes.  He’s a lousy hitter, decent fielder who’s 33.  He’s really no improvement over Cedeno.  You don’t give guys like that 2 year deals for over $5 million a year.  I’m thankful the Brewers didn’t get him.

Todd Smith
3 years 8 months ago

Cedeno has a career -5.1 UZR at SS. Barmes has a career 20.8 UZR at SS.  Hardly any difference at all.

indybucfan
3 years 8 months ago

How dare Neal Huntington make a move without first consulting Keith Law! He should be fired on the spot!

Patrick the Pragmatist
3 years 8 months ago

No surprise the World Champion Cardinals have the most developed players from the 2005-2007 drafts.

They have such a long tradition of coming up with good players from their system.

That is fitting since they are the organization that began the farm system originally many decades ago.

Ferrariman
3 years 8 months ago

its ironic that the system that was ranked as the second worst after 2009 and bottom 10 in 2010 still produces Eduardo Sanchez, Lance Lynn, Allen Craig, David Freese, Jon Jay, Fernando Salas, Mitchell Boggs, and others.  Shows how much experts really know…

I’m excluding Rasmus and Wallace as well. Rasmus produced the key players for a world series ring not to mention good production when he was here and Wallace got an mvp caliber player for the Cards in a trade. Everytime i think of this, i laugh a little about those silly farm system rankings.

sf55forlife
3 years 8 months ago

Lets clarify something first it was 2010 when their farm system was 2nd to last and botom 10 in 2011. Also just because one publication ranks an organization a certain way doesn’t mean everyone scout/prospect guru agrees.

To be fair most of the players you mentioned are role players, they won’t ever be stars.  Its great to have depth, but one top prospect is equal in value to a handful of the players you mentioned. 

A lot changes in two years. Both the Diamondbacks and the Blue Jays were in the bottom 5 in 2010 as well. 

– 6 out of the top 10 Cardinals prospects were either traded away or graduated by the time the 2010 book was released. This includes: 1. Colby Rasmus, 2. Brett Wallace, 3. Chris Perez, 4. Jess Todd, 6. Clayton Mortensen, 8. Jason Motte.
-Shelby Miller was just drafted and barely had any exposure to pro ball
-Jaime Garcia just came off Tommy John surgery in 2009.
– David Freese was already 27 years old and coming off an ankle injury
– Allen Craig had no defensive position and was already 25 years old
– Jon Jay was 25 years old and while he has had some success he is pretty much fitting the exact description they give in the book, a fringe starter who’s value lies in his batting average.
– Mitchell Boggs was already in the majors by the time the 2010 book was released.
– Fernando Salas was a 24 year old middle reliever who was limited to 39.1 innings pitched in 2009 due to a finger injury. 

Jumsy
3 years 8 months ago

When you use those players drafted to acquire star players (Holliday) and already have the organization centerpiece in Pujols, role players become that much more important when you are building a team on a $100M payroll.  Role players are the reason why the Cardinals can avoid paying guys like Clint Barmes $5M/year to be mediocre.  Sure, the Cardinals have bad contracts (Lohse and Westbrook), but they will soon be off the books and be replaced by organization players from more recent drafts/international signings (Lance Lynn, Shelby Miller, Carlos Martinez, Tyrell Jenkins, Seth Blair).

sf55forlife
3 years 8 months ago

The originalposter said prospect rankings were silly and used the Cardinals as an example. I’m not discounting anything the Cardinals did I’m just saying the rankings they received were justified for multiple reasons. 

The largest issue I had was the basically a quantity over quality situation. Sure, the Cardinals have produced a large amount of major leaguers but that doesn’t mean their farm system is great. Impact talent is extremely rare and the cheapest way to acquire it is through the draft. For example the Cardinals have had 10 players from the 2006 draft reach the majors (Adamn Ottavino, Chris Perez, Jon Jay, Mark Hamilton, Shane Robinson, Allen Craig, P.J. Walters, David Carpenter, Lance Zawdaszki, and Luke Gregerson) while the Dodgers had three (Clayton Kershaw, Alex White, and Paul Goldschmidt), two of which did not sign and were later drafted by other teams. All 52 picks, including the 10 players to reach the majors don’t equal Clayton Kershaw. This is why the Cardinals system was ranked poorly, they didn’t have high enough impact prospects. This year the Cardinals have Miller, Wong, Jenkins, Martinez, and Taveras. You can guarantee the Cardinals will be in the top 10 this year.

Ferrariman
3 years 8 months ago

please don’t kid yourself into thinking that it was just “one” publication that was down on STL farm.  It was basically a consensus.  You and i both know that…

Gunner65
3 years 8 months ago

Is it just me or does it seem that every “update” by the next reporter discussing Cespedes seem to be “one-upping” the last report on the guy’s potential contract? Before we know it we’ll hear he’ll be getting an A-Rod type deal

formerdraftpick
3 years 8 months ago

The Kieth Law article they made reference to is a pretty good one.  I think this is the first time I agree with him.

Smrtbusnisman04
3 years 8 months ago

I didn’t prefer the releasing of Ronny Cedeno either, but Clint Hurdle didn’t like his work ethic. He did some pretty poor decisions during the season, like trying to bunt with the bases loaded and missing signs.

Maybe CBarmes will be an upgrade, but it also has the potential to backup the same way the Matt Diaz deal did.

hawkny1
3 years 8 months ago

Shipping Shipley, eh?
Was he the guy who went for the beer & chicken wings?
I suppose that negates his potential for landing a gig with Pizza Uno.
(So near, yet so far away)

3 years 8 months ago

Does anyone else have a problem that a person’s salary is connected to a finish for an award.  Would it not be possible that a player could actually pay say $10,000 to a few of the people that vote for the award so he could finish high enough for the higher salary to kick-in while still being over a million ahead of not winning the award.  To me when I read some of the reasons why some of the “voters” vote the way they do it seems like they don’t put alot of time or effort into the bottom 5-10, so it would be easy to throw in a vote for a few bucks.  I am not a big conspiracy theory person, it just seems to open up a can of worms, that already seems illogical at best.