Justin Verlander Wins AL MVP

Justin Verlander won the American League MVP award, according to the Baseball Writers Association of America.  Verlander took home the AL's Cy Young award last week.  He's the first pitcher to win the MVP since Dennis Eckersley in 1992, and the first starter since Roger Clemens in '86.

Jacoby Ellsbury, Jose Bautista, Curtis Granderson, Miguel Cabrera, Robinson Cano, Adrian Gonzalez, Michael Young, Dustin Pedroia, and Evan Longoria rounded out the top ten.  Ian Kinsler, Alex Avila, Paul Konerko, C.C. Sabathia, Adrian Beltre, Ben Zobrist, Victor Martinez, James Shields, Mark Teixeira, Asdrubal Cabrera, Alex Gordon, Josh Hamilton, and David Robertson also received votes.    


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390 Comments on "Justin Verlander Wins AL MVP"


Triple Hawpes Brewed
3 years 9 months ago

Congrats to Justin. Now he just needs to parlay the MVP and Cy Young accolades into a championship.

Threat_Level_RedSox
3 years 9 months ago

I wonder which Writer completely left him off there ballot though.

Guest
3 years 9 months ago

Probably the same one that voted Ellsbury 10th. Do these writers even know how to spell baseball?

Tigers94
3 years 9 months ago

And the one that voted for David Robertson.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 9 months ago

One who probably feels that pitchers shouldn’t even be included in the MVP conversation? He’s not alone, that’s a big debate.

Motor_City_Bombshell
3 years 9 months ago

The writer is from Ohio. His name I can’t remember.

3 years 9 months ago

The Cleveland writer

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

Way to go Justin. Way to go.

pabloooooo
3 years 9 months ago

Wow.

RedSx799
3 years 9 months ago

Well deserved. Congrats.

stl_cards16
3 years 9 months ago

Not really crazy about it and I’m kind of shocked by it.  But, congrats to Justin on a nice season.

Chipper_is_GOD
3 years 9 months ago

AJ BURNETT WAS ROBBED

YankeePhan1234
3 years 9 months ago

Good, he deserved it, without him Tigers aren’t even above 500 imo

alxn
3 years 9 months ago

Hard to believe that Verlander is worth a full 28 wins over a replacement player!

wintwins
3 years 9 months ago

F replacement player and other made up stats

Encarnacion's Parrot
3 years 9 months ago

You’re right. Since all stats are “made up,” they should all be banished. If you can’t do simple math equations, that’s your short-coming.

wintwins
3 years 9 months ago

never said all stats are made up this comment applies to sabermetrics. Thank you for your concern of my “short-comings” though

Encarnacion's Parrot
3 years 9 months ago

Hey, no problem (lulz). But it still doesn’t change the fact that all stats are made up. But with your exclusion of basic statistics, which are incredibly flawed in showing the true value of a player by the way, sabermetrics are fairly easy to comprehend if you take the time to, y’know, learn.

wintwins
3 years 9 months ago

all stats aren’t made up there big guy, but again thank you

3 years 9 months ago

Yes, they are.  Math is made up, so therefore all statistical formulas (and counting methods to tabulate data) are also made up.

wintwins
3 years 9 months ago

so counting how many runs a batter drove in is made up? hmm

Travis Timmons
3 years 9 months ago

If you look at RBIs, Runs, Hits, HRs, and BA, all you get it the raw picture. Sabermetrics are a much better way of comparing players. This is why you get players with great raw stats that don’t help a team win, but you can consistently count on players with high sabermetrics. Verlander had great raw stats AND sabermetrics. A WAR score anywhere near 30 is absolutely ridiculous and directly reflects the primary reason JV won the MVP: The Tigers would not have even sniffed the playoffs without him.

wintwins
3 years 9 months ago

-Verlander=Tigers still in playoffs. hey look i just made a sabermetric

Wainwrights_Curveball
3 years 9 months ago

troll

verlander
3 years 9 months ago

Trollin’.

Encarnacion's Parrot
3 years 9 months ago

In actuality, he was worth 33.35 fWAR over a 162-game schedule, but like you said, hard to believe!

ToledoFan
3 years 9 months ago

He’s not worth 28 wins…however, for pitchers like that, and the Tigers system…

If they didn’t have Verlander, his spot in the rotation wouldn;t be taken by an “average MLB player”. It would be taken by a guy from AAA or something like that. Considering the carosell the Tigers had at the #5 spot though the year, do you really think a replacement player for the tigers would have gone .500? That’s 17-17 the Tigers would have played in games started by someone like Duane Below, Phil Coke, or Andy Oliver. Simply but, that’s would not have happened. I think the Tigers might have gone 10-24 in those games. 

To me, this is one of the flaws with WAR. Its a nice stat that provides at least a basis for comparing players, but its not accurate or perfect at all.

You take away Verlander from the Tigers, they probably squeak into the playoffs in the weak division, but its a quick exit.

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

I wouldn’t go that far

Vossome93
3 years 9 months ago

Great. Incredible season. Congrats MVerlanderP.

gradylittle
3 years 9 months ago

I get the whole initial thing, but that’s not as catchy as you’d think it’d be.

tiger313
3 years 9 months ago

JVMVP sounds better

tiger313
3 years 9 months ago

JVMVP sounds better

Guest
3 years 9 months ago

you spelt his name wrong… there’s no M or P… common mistake

wintwins
3 years 9 months ago

he did that on purpose silly

Noah Briskin
3 years 9 months ago

Totally deserved. He was that dominant.

NYBravosFan10
3 years 9 months ago

unfortunately I’m in the camp that a pitcher shouldn’t be eligible to win MVP but if any pitcher deserved it it’s Verlander

Dave
3 years 9 months ago

until they call it Most Valuable Batter, a pitcher can and should win it when they provide the most value to a team. 

NYBravosFan10
3 years 9 months ago

yeah but there’s no award specifically for a batter like there is for a pitcher

Dave
3 years 9 months ago

Well, they have the Silver Slugger award.  

I guess what we need is a Golden Slugger award that goes to the best batter overall, not just per-position if anyone wants to complain.   

d_soup
3 years 9 months ago

There’s the Hank Aaron Award, but fans get to vote on it (though the award winner isn’t determined solely by fan ballots).

TheHotCorner
3 years 9 months ago

Actually there is.  It is called the Hank Aaron Award.  It just doesn’t get the publicity as the Cy Young Award.

verlander
3 years 9 months ago

Hank Aaron Award.

monkeydung
3 years 9 months ago

i think Pitchers in the NL should be able to win but not in the AL. If you don’t have to bat at all it doesn’t count as much.

3 years 9 months ago

Announcer #1: And roy halladay strikes out again.
Announcer #2: You think he could win the mvp?
Announcer #1: If he makes contact with the ball and it stays fair then he’s a got a shot.

popular_mechanics_for_pitchers
3 years 9 months ago

Announcer #3: WTF?!

Noah Briskin
3 years 9 months ago

totally deserved

jordan
3 years 9 months ago

if Verlander won the MVP, then pedro deserves the 99 MVP….. his 99 stats were better then verlander

3 years 9 months ago

His 99 season was one of the all time great seasons for a pitcher. I think he had a 1.14 FIP or something outrageous like that.

0bsessions
3 years 9 months ago

While I agree that Pedro deserved the ’99 MVP, two wrongs don’t make a right. Verlander shouldn’t be omitted now just because the writers botched it twelve years ago.

3 years 9 months ago

No, Verlander doesn’t deserve the mvp and there are other reasons than that.

0bsessions
3 years 9 months ago

While I agree that Pedro deserved the ’99 MVP, two wrongs don’t make a right. Verlander shouldn’t be omitted now just because the writers botched it twelve years ago.

jrogowski
3 years 9 months ago

This doesn’t make any sense. Pedro was competing for the 1999 MVP against other players in 1999. Verlander was competing against other players in 2011.

Granted, if you want to use WAR, Pedro was +2 over Pudge, with Manny Ramirez and Jeter right behind Pedro. But, sticking again with WAR, Pedro was actually more “valuable” in 2000 than he was in 1999…

Tigers94
3 years 9 months ago

Ivan Rodriguez hit over 330 with over 30 hrs and like 130 rbis that year, won the gold glove, and was a catcher. He deserved it.

Shu13
3 years 9 months ago

Congrats but I don’t think he shouldn’t have won it…

3 years 9 months ago

That means Kershaw or Halladay should win NL MVP. Both were better than Verlander. #narrative

3 years 9 months ago

Not that I agree with a pitcher winning the MVP, but how did Kershaw and Halladay have a better season?
If you can do what Verlander did in the AL you’re nearly as good as it gets.

3 years 9 months ago

Look it up. ESPN blew Verlander up all season after the no hitter. Barely ever did Kershaw get any credit. Both of them were statistically better and more consistent. 

tiger313
3 years 9 months ago

Kershaw didnt get any credit because the Dodgers werent that good. Halladay doesnt get as much credit because of the rotation he is in. Take away Verlander and replace him with another average pitcher and we dont make the playoffs. Take away Halladay, and you still make the playoffs. Take away Kershaw and well, youre still a bad team.

3 years 9 months ago

Take away Miguel Cabrera and plug in Chris Shelton or Robert Fick and the Tigers lose more games than if they lose Verlander

tiger313
3 years 9 months ago

Unless Chris Shelton converted to his April 06 (I believe) form and we would have won 140 games.

abes_seed
3 years 9 months ago

My vote goes to Miguel Cabrera… But maybe we are just used to him being one of the best players every year.

monkeydung
3 years 9 months ago

the dodgers finished above .500 and had one of the best records in baseball for the last two months of the season.

Whole_New_World
3 years 9 months ago

The Dodgers won their last 25 of 35 games, which is something pretty nice to build on.

Oh, and back to topic: Sucks when a pitcher wins MVP.

3 years 9 months ago

Statistically better in the NL. Barely better at that…really not even better enough to even mention it.

Don’t get me wrong, I have a baseball crush on Kershaw, but he did not have a better season than Verlander.

I do think Kershaw will be the best pitcher in baseball very soon though.

3 years 9 months ago

Statistically better in the NL. Barely better at that…really not even better enough to even mention it.

Don’t get me wrong, I have a baseball crush on Kershaw, but he did not have a better season than Verlander.

I do think Kershaw will be the best pitcher in baseball very soon though.

3 years 9 months ago

Look it up. ESPN blew Verlander up all season after the no hitter. Barely ever did Kershaw get any credit. Both of them were statistically better and more consistent. 

icedrake523
3 years 9 months ago

It doesn’t matter if they were better than Verlander. What matters is if they were the most valuable player in their own league.

3 years 9 months ago

Thats your take on the award. My take is who is the best player in the league. Take Miguel Cabrera away from the Tigers. Who provides more value? Him or Verlander?

icedrake523
3 years 9 months ago

Your comment wasn’t Cabrera vs Verlander though. You said Halladay or Kershaw should win the NL MVP because they were better than Verlander. But the comparison is irrelevant, Verlander plays in a different league. All that matters is how Kershaw and Halladay were compared to other players in the NL.

3 years 9 months ago

Thats your take on the award. My take is who is the best player in the league. Take Miguel Cabrera away from the Tigers. Who provides more value? Him or Verlander?

icedrake523
3 years 9 months ago

It doesn’t matter if they were better than Verlander. What matters is if they were the most valuable player in their own league.

Dave
3 years 9 months ago

The difference being, there are more than enough hitters in the NL to make a significant case for the award and the AL had a bunch of guys all in the same general class but none of them rose above to say they deserve it.

It’s going to be interesting to see if Kemp wins while being statistical standout on a loser of a team, Braun for being a standout on a team that was comfortably ahead for the last two months, or Pujols for being the leader on a team that clawed its way from doom to the playoffs over those same two months.   I’m pretty sure it’s going to be Kemp but who knows what the writers were thinking. 

Were there any of those guys in the AL this year that made any sort of statement?  It never really seemed like it to me. 

Tigers94
3 years 9 months ago

Easy now kid who uses hashtags on MLBTradeRumors. It does help Kershaw pitching in the NL, the much weaker conference. You know what also helps Kershaw? Having 2 Gold Glove outfielders. 

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

Gold gloves? lol

Kemp and Ethier are well below average defensive OFers.

start_wearing_purple
start_wearing_purple
3 years 9 months ago

I’ll probably be in the minority here, but awful choice. I have nothing against pitchers winning but frankly if you’re a pitcher winning the MVP you should put up a legendary season. Verlander was great but I certainly wouldn’t mark it down as one of the best of all time.

Bautista should have won.

Guest
3 years 9 months ago

Agreed. The voters/writers have a lot of explaining to do. This wasn’t an awful choice, it was the wrong choice considering the level and volume of play for a position player. There were three other candidates, who for their own merits should have won. Granderson, Ellsbury, Bautista.

start_wearing_purple
start_wearing_purple
3 years 9 months ago

I think part of the issue was whenever someone brought up the idea that a pitcher should win. The entire thing took on a life of its own and people started coming up with excuses as to why Verlander should win rather than reasons.

Guest
3 years 9 months ago

I almost wonder if Verlander will feel a little guilty having been awarded the MVP. Silly point of view, but he has to be aware of this type of discussion of who should win the award. 

verlander
3 years 9 months ago

Certainly not.

Guest
3 years 9 months ago

I almost wonder if Verlander will feel a little guilty having been awarded the MVP. Silly point of view, but he has to be aware of this type of discussion of who should win the award. 

start_wearing_purple
start_wearing_purple
3 years 9 months ago

I think part of the issue was whenever someone brought up the idea that a pitcher should win. The entire thing took on a life of its own and people started coming up with excuses as to why Verlander should win rather than reasons.

ltdibo020
3 years 9 months ago

Bautista, Ellsbury or Graderson should of won…pitching every 5th day?…these players play “every” day!!!..does Verlander hit…no…does he field…barely…does he run the bases..no….but hes MVP?…really?….Its the best player and most valuable in the league…not because you made your team better, or most valuable on your team..Cabrera has an effect everyday…Ellsbury and Granderson play premiere positions also…These guys have an effect on games every day and they are MVP players,  fielding, running and hitting…all aspects of the game…This choice (and verlander is awesome) is not fair to the guys that bust it everyday…IMO…What effect does a pitcher have on any game who is sitting in the dugout the 4 days he is not starting?….NONE…is he “valuable” in the dugout eating sunflower seeds?…lol

towney007
3 years 9 months ago

Yeah I’m with you. Fangraphs did an awesome piece on Verlander’s season stacking his dominant season up against others within the last 20 years and compared to them – he wasn’t very dominant. It should be noted that none of the guys they discussed won MVP’s. So I dunno, this is kind of a perfect example of media hype taking a guy and vaulting his reputation beyond what it is. 

Granted – the guy is one of – if not THE best pitcher in baseball. He had an incredible season. Just not as good as it’s made out to be.

towney007
3 years 9 months ago

Yeah I’m with you. Fangraphs did an awesome piece on Verlander’s season stacking his dominant season up against others within the last 20 years and compared to them – he wasn’t very dominant. It should be noted that none of the guys they discussed won MVP’s. So I dunno, this is kind of a perfect example of media hype taking a guy and vaulting his reputation beyond what it is. 

Granted – the guy is one of – if not THE best pitcher in baseball. He had an incredible season. Just not as good as it’s made out to be.

Frank Drebin
3 years 9 months ago

He didn’t even come in 2nd, let alone WIN it. Lawlz

3 years 9 months ago

Two words:   WOOOO HOOO!

renegadeisback
3 years 9 months ago

David Robertson got a vote. Michael Young got a FIRST PLACE vote. Are you kidding me?

renegadeisback
3 years 9 months ago

Someone voted Bautista 9TH and Ellsbury 10TH. What a joke.

Jamie Sayer
3 years 9 months ago

Wow. Leading in 4 batting stats means jack all I guess.

start_wearing_purple
start_wearing_purple
3 years 9 months ago

Kinda reminds me of the year Pedroia won. Someone left him off their ballot entirely that year.

commenter3346
3 years 9 months ago

ahha Evan Grant. I remember that. He also voted Michael Young #1. Ahahaha.

3 years 9 months ago

That was me…my bad guys.

renegadeisback
3 years 9 months ago

No seriously how do you vote the best offensive player in the entire league, NINTH?

renegadeisback
3 years 9 months ago

No seriously how do you vote the best offensive player in the entire league, NINTH?

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

And someone left JV off the ballot completely.

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

And someone left JV off the ballot completely.

FunkyTime
3 years 9 months ago

Honestly I consider a Michael Young first place vote much worse than either of those.

bobbygriffin
3 years 9 months ago

David Robertson got 1 Cy Young vote too…gotta think both of those votes were cast by the same guy…any way to verify this?

3 years 9 months ago

Who gave Robertson’s dad a vote? Seems biased.

3 years 9 months ago

They actually got it right, I can’t believe it

Karkat
3 years 9 months ago

I wonder how much the Red Sox’s collapse hurt Ellsbury’s MVP stock…

Guest
3 years 9 months ago

Despite our wishes that played a role, it doesn’t as much as you think, well then again, maybe it did. 

Karkat
3 years 9 months ago

I don’t know — he was a huge part of keeping the Sox in it as long as they were. If that had resulted in Boston squeaking by into the playoffs, I think it’s reasonable that he could’ve garnered more votes.

0bsessions
3 years 9 months ago

It probably did. There’s large schools of thought that a pitcher shouldn’t win and a player who doesn’t make the playoffs shouldn’t win. This seems to demonstrate that the latter is the larger category as, really, this could have gone either way. Had the Red Sox made the playoffs, Ellsbury very likely would’ve gotten the award.

That said, I’m cool with this. Verlander was a pretty obvious choice if you operate by the “should be a playoff team” standard and getting that MVP would’ve made Ellsbury even more expensive in arbitration than he already will be.

0bsessions
3 years 9 months ago

It probably did. There’s large schools of thought that a pitcher shouldn’t win and a player who doesn’t make the playoffs shouldn’t win. This seems to demonstrate that the latter is the larger category as, really, this could have gone either way. Had the Red Sox made the playoffs, Ellsbury very likely would’ve gotten the award.

That said, I’m cool with this. Verlander was a pretty obvious choice if you operate by the “should be a playoff team” standard and getting that MVP would’ve made Ellsbury even more expensive in arbitration than he already will be.

Solanale
3 years 9 months ago

Yes.