Angels, Blue Jays Swap Jeff Mathis For Brad Mills

The Angels have acquired left-hander Brad Mills from the Blue Jays for Jeff Mathis, reports Mike DiGiovanna of The Los Angeles Times (on Twitter). Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports first reported that the two sides were on the verge of a deal (all Twitter links).

Mills, 26, was the Jays' fourth round pick in 2007. He's seen time in the big leagues in each of the last three seasons, pitching to a 8.57 ERA with 8.4 K/9 and 5.4 BB/9 in 48 1/3 innings spread across nine starts and five relief appearances. In 354 innings at the Triple-A level, he's posted a much more respectable 4.32 ERA with 7.8 K/9 and 3.0 BB/9.

Mathis, 28, is a non-tender candidate, especially after the Halos acquired Chris Iannetta from the Rockies. He's hit a miserable .193/.245/.282 in 771 plate appearances over the last three seasons while throwing out 24.7% of attempted basestealers. Our projections have him earning $1.8MM next season if does survive the non-tender deadline.

370 Responses to Angels, Blue Jays Swap Jeff Mathis For Brad Mills Leave a Reply

  1. bigpat 4 years ago

    Another coach gets traded…  Oh wait. 

    • When I saw the headline, I thought the Astros finally decided to ditch Brad Mills. 

  2. grant77 4 years ago

    I can’t imagine this being part of a larger deal, he’s waiver fodder.

    • Angelgreg 4 years ago

      Future headline. “Jeff Mathis, another Angels castoff catcher is having a MVP year with the Jays”  Can’t you just see this happening in the steps of Mike Napoli?

      • Wesley Vento 4 years ago

        Except that Napoli knows what that piece of wood in his hand is used for. Mathis is allergic to maple I think. 

  3. shockey12 4 years ago

    Please be Trout

  4. Jays acquire Peter Bourjos and Mike Trout for Brad Mills.

    • Jeff Mathis, what?  Why?

      • Cavman_Boland 4 years ago

        Because the Jays don’t have a backup catcher and Brad Mills will probably never amount to anything.

        • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

          every backup catcher alive is better than jeff mathis. he is worth nothing and was a non-tender candidate

          • shockey12 4 years ago

            Brad Mills is also worth nothing. If you trade nothing for nothing did a trade even happen at all?

          • Mathis will get at least $1.8M, hardly “nothing”.

          • Cavman_Boland 4 years ago

            No reason to get upset over this trade it’s insignifant

          • Most back up catchers can’t hit.

          • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

            that’s the point. even though that’s true, every backup catcher alive is still better than jeff mathis

          • jedicouncil 4 years ago

            so every back up catcher is better defensively than mathis, because thats what he was brought in for.  i thought his manager was in love with him for his defence

          • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

            his manager was in love with him for his defense. but his defense isn’t actually that good. there are better options left and a right

            and “can’t hit” is just a threshold. there are several levels of awful and jeff mathis is the worst one

          • jedicouncil 4 years ago

            so he is to batting what mills is to pitching, no big deal, neither one is worth anything

          • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

            Mathis costs $1.8M. Mills costs barely anything (as a minor leaguer)

          • jedicouncil 4 years ago

            and thats where he will stay, in the minors.

          • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

            so you’re fine with paying 1.8M for a useless player? (because that’s what Mathis is)

          • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

            so you’re fine with paying 1.8M for a useless player? (because that’s what Mathis is)

          • strikethree 4 years ago

            This is the same manager that started Mathis over Napoli.

            I don’t know about you but I saw a great defensive catcher during the WS AND he could hit.

          • Zach Ripple 4 years ago

            I agree with that notion. Such an overrated manager. Napoli turned into maybe the best catcher in baseball last year.

          • Philip Marlowe 4 years ago

            “Every backup catcher alive is better than Jeff Mathis”

            Excuse me, son. Koyie Hill would like a word with you.

          • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

            drew butera is the only challenger

          • Phillies_Aces35 4 years ago

            David Ross?

          • Seriously? I’ll flip you Mathis for Ross right now – deal?

          • Yankees420 4 years ago

            Rene Rivera posted the worst wOBA and wRC+ of any catcher with at least 100 PA.

          • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

            boston should trade felix dobrount for him

          • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

            this evens out the wells trade.

        • vilifyingforce 4 years ago


  5. Sniderlover 4 years ago

    Terrible for terrible!

  6. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    and finally the other shoe drops from last year’s wells trade. AA was to owe a biiig favor sometime in the next year … and now he has to take jeff “225” mathis

    • .225 is being generous.

      • vilifyingforce 4 years ago

        That’s his OBP.

        • Yeah but remember how awesome he was a couple years ago in the playoffs, I think it was against Boston?  Doubles everywhere, man.  That’s gotta be good for a 3-5 year contract somewhere, the man is a star waiting for the right team.

          -S. Boras

          • johnsilver 4 years ago

            He is probably out floating that same pipe dream ATM for his other FA catcher Varitek….

          • Yeah, right. Just like Brandon Wood.

            He’s perfect for a 2nd or 3rd catcher, can fill in as a capable defensive guy. That’s about it.

            oops, didn’t see the S Boras sigh, lol.

    • cyberboo 4 years ago

      Mathis replaces an old Jose Molina that can’t hold a candle to Mathis defensively.  Anyone watching Molina running to the back stop every game for passed balls, or just missing them completely with his glove isn’t upset he is gone.  Mathis is only 28, not 38 and who knows what could happen.  He could very easily turn into the Napoli of 2012, which I’m sure would really get Angels fans upset.  lol.  Brad Mills was useless when they obtained him, while they had him, and is still useless after they traded him.  At least Mathis will back up Arencibia in the majors until D’Arnaud is ready.  If Mills makes it to triple A, that will be a major accomplishment in his life.  The majors, a dream he has, unless all four starters are injured in Los Angeles.  Mills was the Jays Jeff Mathis and all we can do is wish him success in new surroundings. 

      • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

        – by every metric available, molina is better than mathis defensively

        – brad mills was a top 10 organizational prospect with the jays

        – brad mills already made it to triple-A, where he’s pitched the last three seasons

        – you just suggested mathis, the worst hitter in the world with no offensive skills whatsoever, “could very easily turn into the napoli of 2012″

        leave and never come back

        • Fstuffup 4 years ago

          Almost 27 years old and even close to top ten are you sure you know anything about the jays? Mathis isn’t good but would you rather jaloman or whatever his name is

          • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

            he was the #6 (or #8) prospect just two seasons ago. he has underperformed in AAA since then but is by no means worthless

            the choice isn’t mathis or jeroloman. it’s mathis or any of dozens of backup catchers in baseball. they’re all better than mathis and all cost less

          • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

            to be fair, when mills was top 10 the jays farm system was bottom 3 in the league..

            its a puzzlying move because really giving up anything for mathis is just plain weird, but having seen mills in new hampshire, vegas and toronto, I can safely say his ceiling is the guy you put in right before you ask a position player to pitch.

            that being said, getting anything back for mathis is a win, even if toronto had sent a corpse to LA.

          • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

            it’s not a big mistake by any stretch of the imagination. what’s turned into a big deal is the fact that many jays fans can’t even admit that it’s a small one

            i don’t think mills is quite as bad as you say, but at least you’ve got the rest of it right

            you should have shown up earlier. this was a trade everyone should have had a laugh at and moved on. instead i was inundated with the kind of homer derp i am used to hearing from sox fans

          • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

            to be fair, I’m not trying to rationalize the trade. I would have said the same thing about mills yesterday. I hate the trade.. not because we gave up mills, but because I might actually go to a game where Jeff Mathis is in a jays uniform..

            No one should care that we gave up mills, but jays fans should be concerned that we brought in mathis.

            really really really concerned.

          • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

            you are an upgrade over jeff mathis. time to try out

          • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

            they should trade farrell to the red sox. and then call up sal fasano to be a player manager.


          • mkl_nyn 4 years ago

            LHP ‘Mills was a top 10 prospect…’
            Any MLB C/Most MiLB Cs > Jeroloman/Mathis
            Therefore Mills/half btl Chacin Cologne > Mathis

        • Shawnthemon 4 years ago

          Brad Mills as a top 10 jays prospect? thats really funny, not in the top 30, Mills pitches the ball at a speed of 86 MPH, he is a AAAA player, the only reason why we got Mathis is for defense and to help some of the young pitchers, I have never personally watch Mathis play, I know everyone calls him awful and are probably right, but we are talking about 80-100 ABS here, he is a backup, I don’t know about anyone else here, but I am ok with this trade.

        • Bluejaysnation 4 years ago

          P.S…That was when Toronto had no prospects. Mills is no longer and hasn’t been a prospect for a couple of years.

          • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

            yes, i remember reading that in several of the comments i wrote

          • Bluejaysnation 4 years ago

            Thats interesting!!

        • cyberboo 4 years ago

          You are a joke.  If you knew anything at all, people might take you seriously.  The highest Mills ever got was tenth and that was back when the Jays had the 28th worst minors system in baseball.  He was ranked 30th at the time of the trade or a drop of 20 spots.  I was being sarcastic about Mathis, but you don’t understand that, because you live to attack others that possess more knowledge about baseball in our little finger than you do your whole body.  When you learn respect, perhaps you will actually shut up and learn something from fans that have followed the game for over fifty years.  Just an FYI, but I couldn’t care less about sabermetrics.  I watch the games and form opinions from actually watching the players live.  I don’t need a stats geek trying to justify their own opinions, which are wrong 10 times out of 10.

          • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

            is there are a reason you’re talking about sabermetrics? settle down sandy and enjoy the links below with mills in the top 10

            this is the fourth factual error in two comments i’ve corrected for you. you may have forgotten more than i’ll ever learn, but there doesn’t seem to be anything you can accurately remember at this point

          • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

            “WATCH THE GAME, NERDS”

            Automatic response to stat-based arguments.

          • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

            “WATCH THE GAME, NERDS”

            Automatic response to stat-based arguments.

        • Tammy Rainey 4 years ago

          Who lied to you? Brad Mills isn’t a top 30 prospect any more and never was in the Top 10.

      • grownice 4 years ago

         You are delusional , and need help Immediately.

        Sincerely, Logical Jays fans.

      • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

        really? Are you really going to try to spin this? Really? It’s jeff freaking mathis.

    • that makes no sense. Mathis could be non-tendered at any point, and if Mills was the “favor” than trading him for cash (like $10?) could have accomplished that.

      • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

        well there goes that very serious theory. well done

  7. BVHjays 4 years ago

    Great trade for the Angels. Obviously ridding themselves of Mathis is nice, and if Mills is going to succeed anywhere, it will be on a team where he has Mike Trout and Peter Bourjos behind him in the outfield.

  8. mike scioscia is crying himself to sleep

  9. Frank Drebin 4 years ago

    AA teh geniuz!!1!1

  10. Just think… You guys passed up Mike Napoli last year, and now you’re stuck with Jeff Mathis! Haha, at least he’s a decent catcher though, still a good trade.

    • vilifyingforce 4 years ago

      Better then being stuck with Vernon Wells.

      • kwiell 4 years ago

        That’s going to be the go-to answer from now (or, heck, last season) until the end of Vernon Wells’ albatross contract. And, that doesn’t make it any less true.

    • johnsmith4 4 years ago

      Uhmmm…didn’t Phillies also pass up on Napoli last year?  Surely, Phillies could have offered more than Frank Francisco.  Passing up on Napoli probably cost Phils a trip to World Series.  Didn’t cost Jays anything.  Besides, Travis D’Arnaud will soon be catching for Jays.

    • mozelpuffski 4 years ago

      what frank gave us post all star break was much needed plus a draft pick for loss of him if he doesnt resign in addition to the pick molina nets and the need for maybe one season of mathis (maybe less if d’arnaud continues ripping it) for a pitcher that is finesse and wont crack our lineup. was a couple of well calculated moves. mathis will provide what is needed. a break here and there for aaron cibia while providing our young staff confidence he can block a ball.

      just saying: napoli was passed up for a reason and everyone gained. well rangers and bjs at least.

  11. Cavman_Boland 4 years ago

    Didn’t know Jeff Mathis was a credible source for rumours….

    • clydefrog13 4 years ago

      Jeff Mathis is more a source of anguish or humor to Angels fans.  In this case, it is a source of relief.

      • Cavman_Boland 4 years ago

        Fair enough. Doubt he’ll catch very many innings though.

      • johnsmith4 4 years ago

        Too funny…fans using the backup catcher as their scapegoat. 

  12. start_wearing_purple
    start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

    I suddenly have a strange feeling that Mathis will have a break out season next year.

  13. BVHjays 4 years ago

    Wishful thinking: In theory, Jeff Mathis is still a non-tender candidate if the Jays can find a better backup option this week. Mills was likely to come off the 40-man at some point this offseason anyways.

    • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

      more realistically, anthopolous couldn’t get anyone to talk trades with him this offseason because of the reputation he’s developed. he did this deal so that GMs will take his calls again

      • vilifyingforce 4 years ago

        You mean like Texas and St.Louis?

      • johnsmith4 4 years ago

        haha…I believe there is something to your statement.  But, there is merit to what @bringvottohome said.  IMO, Brad Mills was going to be off the 40-man roster by January because of transactions.  He doesn’t fit into Jays plans for their 25-man roster and is out of optional assignments.  Jeff Mathis is simply an upgrade to Brian Jeroloman who was the “fall back” plan for backup catcher.

        • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

          jeff mathis is not an upgrade to anything though. and even if he were, he was going to be non-tendered and could have been signed without giving anything up

          • johnsmith4 4 years ago

            So…true…Jays didn’t have anything in place for backup catcher.  But, I get your point on the non-tender part.  Was AA simply dumb or just doing Angels a favour on this deal?

        • jerolman probably would have been better

      • johnsilver 4 years ago

        Interesting point and why was wondering no interest in Shoppach over this guy.

        • johnsmith4 4 years ago

          Doubt Mathis is Plan A for backup catcher…probably a fall-back option if other deals don’t work out.

          • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

            maybe they just want him for vegas??

            have some arms moving up there, may need a veteran presence to make sure they  dont go nuts in sin city

            this is ofcourse made up and wishful thinking

  14. pastlives 4 years ago

    omg no

  15. WrigleyTerror37 4 years ago

    Texas must want Mathis, so they are going to get him from the jays for a reliver again!

    All joking aside tho, Mathis is probably the back up catcher with J.P. Arencibia starting.

    • BVHjays 4 years ago

      Yeah, of course. Anthopoulos had said recently that they expect Arencibia to catch the vast majority of games. Assuming Arencibia stays healthy, Mathis probably only starts 30 games or so. If Arencibia’s out for any prolonged time, Travis d’Arnaud probably gets called up for the starters job.

    • johnsmith4 4 years ago

      haha that was funny and both you and @bringvottohome summed it up correctly.

  16. Christopher McElroy 4 years ago

    Jeff Mathis… The next Jose Bautista.

  17. bigpat 4 years ago

    Lol Jeff Mathis. Now the Blue Jays get stuck with a player they hate after giving them the gift that keeps on giving (Wells).

    I guess he fits the role of a defensive backup, but will they rework his contract?? 

    • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

      he could be a solid bullpen catcher

      • Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

        or there CC(Closing Catcher)

        • southpawryno 4 years ago

          *Crap Catcher

          • Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

            No he is very good defensively and he makes pitchers ERA go down.Blue Jays have a very great catcher

          • southpawryno 4 years ago

            I’m suprised you would think that, since you want Salmon to be the coach, and not scioscia

          • Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

            That was sarcasm btw and i love Mike wouldn’t want Salmon to replace him..My name is so he can be the Angels new Hitters coach..I want Salmon to be coach over Hatcher.. sorry for the misunderstanding  

    • johnsmith4 4 years ago

      How can you be “stuck” with a one-year contract?

  18. bigpat 4 years ago

    Also, I have to give a lot of credit to the Angels GM thus far, his name is escaping me. He took a glaring weakness and addressed it quickly, and replaced one pitching prospect (Chatwood) with Mills who is probably just as good, for a guy they were going to non-tender. Their fans should be impressed, he is playing this much better than Reagins ever could. 

    • mlbscout6 4 years ago

      Dipoto, and yes i agree he has been excellent so far.

    • I’ve been impressed with Dipoto so far and I don’t think it’s fair to even begin judging the man until after next season.

    • Tony DiQuattro 4 years ago

      Chatwood still has plenty of promise, Mills doesn’t show anything special in 3 years beyond double-A as far as stats. Give him credit for getting Ianetta, a better compromise of offense and defense, but he’s only under team control for one year and Chatwood could turn out to be a quality starter who is under control for another 6 years.

      • tbell11 4 years ago

        The Angels and Iannetta are working on a contract extension

      • The key word here is “could.” There is absolutely no guarantee that Chatwood is a sure thing and while I understand your argument that the Angels could control him for 6 years as opposed to 1 with Iannetta, Dipoto had to give up something to get something and the trade market for catchers is weak.

    • johnsmith4 4 years ago

      Yep….solid moves by Angels GM.  Upgrades talent while controlling salary costs.  Ianetta salary shows you type of value they place on these players.

  19. Bluejaysnation 4 years ago

    Good deal for both sides.

  20. Good trade. Mills wasn’t going to stay on the 40 Man Roster and the Jays needed a backup catcher after Molina signed in Tampa…

    • Jeroloman may have no experience but he is superior defensively.

      • vilifyingforce 4 years ago

        Jeroloman’s 9 error’s last season would like a word with you…

        • renegadeisback 4 years ago

          Lol errors. Good one.

          • vilifyingforce 4 years ago

            Thanks. Unless that guy watches Las Vegas on a regular basis it means about as much.

        • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

           omg 9 errors????

          he should totally quit baseball


      • Sniderlover 4 years ago

        He threw out 15% of the runners last season. 

      • johnsmith4 4 years ago

        Jeroloman’s only value are his two remaining seasons of optional assignments.  This makes him a backup to the backup.  D’Arnaud most likely gets called up to start if Arencibia ever gets injured and placed on the DL.

      • southpawryno 4 years ago

        A guy who threw out 15% of batters last year?  Certainly superior defensively!

  21. a nothing for nothing trade. Angels need to sign CJ!

  22. Rangers4Life 4 years ago

    So the Angels are sending a catcher to the Jays for the second straight year. Wonder if JD will bring him to the Rangers for the second straight year as well.

    Oh wait no…..

  23. what is this i don’t even

  24. Tony DiQuattro 4 years ago

    I get Miguel Olivo for the draft pick, but I really don’t get this one unless you somehow save some money by trading Mills. Would anyone seriously tender Mathis a contract in arbitration, especially AA of all people?

  25. Jeff Mathis is awful… he makes molina seem like Jose Bautista, how can this even be a possible trade for the blue jays unless mathis is part of a bigger deal? He hits worse than a pitcher and is somehow on a major league roster, these catcher deals seem to be befuddling AA

    • Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

      Part of a bigger deal? For  Brad Mills a guy that’s even worse than Mathis..This was just a w/e you can get for Mathis situation.. and Jerry is making miracles.can’t believe someone wanted him

    • Paul_Zuvella 4 years ago

      simple answer here. Jays have a guy in the minors Travis D’arnaud, who was the MVP of their AA team. He will be called up to majors shortly and the Jays likely didn’t want to commit to anyone of the existing crop of free agent catchers. This is a stop gap move that rids Jays of a pitcher that was never going to join their major league rotation.

      • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

        “commit” to a backup catcher? what are you even

        and acting like mills was some sort of burden they had to get rid of? totally grasping at straws

        • Lucas Kschischang 4 years ago

          Do you really think a free agent catcher would want to sign a one year deal to move to Canada without playing time? That’s what he’s “even”…

          Mills was no burden, but he’s still never going to cut it at the MLB level… 85 MPH fastballs get eaten up by highschool kids…

          • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

            you mean like jose molina did just two years* ago? you guys are delusional

      • Lucas Kschischang 4 years ago

        The MVP of the whole Eastern League*

        • Paul_Zuvella 4 years ago

          I stand corrected, but yeah, he’s the player most likely to boot Mathis from the active roster.

  26. sallen22 4 years ago

    Angels get revenge on the Blue Jays!  Finally!


    • abes_seed 4 years ago


    • Bluejaysnation 4 years ago

      If thats what you wanna call it. Guess if it makes Angels fans feel better we’ll send you our non-tender AAA pitcher for a backup catcher (who’ll only see a handful of games). Sounds like a fair deal to me. Neither will probably amount to much.

      • sallen22 4 years ago

        Dude, you guys brought in Jeff Mathis.  JEFF MATHIS.  Anyway you shake this one, the Angels win.  Jeff Mathis no longer curses this team, he’s your problem now.

        • Bluejaysnation 4 years ago

          Yeah, but at the spacious Rogers Centre he’ll hit .300 and 25hr…….Who cares!!! B A C K U P C A T C H E R

        • Lucas Kschischang 4 years ago

          You guys got an awful pitcher for someone who at least contributes at the MLB level…

          Hard to see what’s so exciting about that.

          Mathis will have a proper role to fill in Toronto, and Mills will never make it as a MLB pitcher – so it’s a LOSE-LOSE trade – both guys suck.

  27. Jeff Mathis, next ALMOST world series MVP

  28. tycobb 4 years ago

    This will be a game changer !!

  29. TimotheusATL 4 years ago

    nothing preventing a non-tender/resign at reasonable contract, i assume. i’m sure there weren’t other teams beating down dipoto’s door begging for mathis’ services.

  30. Oh…oh my.

    TWO Christmases this year?! THANK YOU DIPOTO CLAUSE.

  31. clydefrog13 4 years ago

    In related news, I just negotiated a trade for a half full can of Fresca in exchange for three Lifesavers with my neighbor.  But as a Halos fan, I’m happy for this.  Lot better to get SOMETHING than just non-tender Jeffy.  I like Dipoto thus far.

    • vilifyingforce 4 years ago

      Jays can look at it the same way with Mills being on the verge of getting DFA’d.

  32. Kid Canada 4 years ago

    He’s like the ghost of Jose Molina.

  33. i didnt like mills anyway

  34. Salmon4Coach 4 years ago

    Ty Jerry..Better to get someone than get rid of him nice trade..and making some great trades so far

  35. ukJaysfan 4 years ago

    It really speaks to how much we all miss baseball when everyone is jumping all over this post about a AAA lefty for a middling backup catcher.  Is it February yet?

  36. mrsjohnmiltonrocks 4 years ago

    Well, I’m glad that Mathis is gone.  It had to be done.  Otherwise, Scioscia would make him the starting catcher again.

    Yes, the Blue Jays do owe the Angels for taking on Vernon Wells contract.  This helps.

  37. johnsmith4 4 years ago

    Wait….does this make things even?  Let’s say yes so we can move on.

  38. TheodoreRoosevelt 4 years ago

    Love the fact that a Mills/Mathis entry has twice as many comments as the Wilson/Oswalt/Red Sox post beneath it.

  39. tbell11 4 years ago

    I knew the Angels wouldn’t get anything great for Mathis but Dipoto said he looks to add pitching depth. Just getting rid of Mathis is superb.

  40. doyers 4 years ago

    This makes it two straight yrs that the angels trade a catcher to the blue jays.first it was Napoli in the Wells trade and know Mathis in this trade 4 Mills

  41. johnsmith4 4 years ago

    Where AA misjudged was counting on EE to become a Type B free agent.  As a result, he picked up the team option.  However, EE doesn’t fit into the long term plans.  I doubt Napoli would have either.

    * edit * looks like reply is failing on disqus

    • ukJaysfan 4 years ago

      I’m not sure I see your point about EE.  He could have just as easily declined the option and eaten the buyout.  He now has an asset (to some) that can be traded, or used as a 1B/DH/3B(dear god no)/LF(?) with some power for 2012. 

      • johnsmith4 4 years ago

        Yep…I am seeing him as a combination of place holder & trade asset for this season.  If things work out, one of the young players pushes EE aside.  I just wasn’t as explicit as you in summing up his current value.  However, IMO, if things worked to plan, EE would have been a Type B free agent by now.

  42. abes_seed 4 years ago

    Today is a great day for all Angels fans!!!!!

  43. IncompletelyImpartial 4 years ago

    Trading Mathis + Chatwood for Iannetta + Mills is a net gain of 2.6 WAR. This is another trade of probable non-impact players, but overall a net gain for Jerry Dipoto so far. I like the moves.

    • vilifyingforce 4 years ago

      Speaking strictly from a WAR standpoint Mathis better then Mills.

  44. Gurvir Nijjar 4 years ago

    I thought the Blue Jays wanted a high on base percentage. 

  45. Pete Slovonic 4 years ago

    why are there so many comments on a trade that has so little meaning

    • Sports33 4 years ago

      Because we love the Jays and Halos! Remember their last trade?

  46. jphenix2002 4 years ago

    I can’t believe a trade involving a backup catcher for a minor league pitcher has warranted over 100 comments.

    • Paul_Zuvella 4 years ago

      yeah, but most of the comments are useless observations like the one you just made!

  47. southpawryno 4 years ago

    Good observation Sherlock! With this superior level of observation, maybe you could learn grammar now.

  48. slider32 4 years ago

    Two scrubs!

  49. Raymond Holguin 4 years ago

    two guys who probably weren’t going to be with there team again next year anyways just swapped.  I like it, especially since we got a pitcher and pitchers usually tend to do a little better in our ball park.  so at best we might have gotten a new mop up role guy.  just feel bad for scoscia, not sure how the long distance thing is going to work for him =(

  50. NexttoIgnore 4 years ago

    If this trade fell in a forest, would anybody hear?

  51. The Jays should have kept Napoli why did they trade him?

    • Frank Drebin 4 years ago

      Because their catcher is Canadian. End of story.

    • They didn’t really have a spot to play him. He would have just DHed for them, which didn’t project as the best use of his value.  (Turns out he had more offensive value then anyone expected).

  52. VegasANGELSFan 4 years ago

    That sound you hear is Angels’ fans tap dancing in the streets.  While this trade looks insignificant to most non-Angels fans, it is actually more important than it seems.  Now, Sosh can’t play Mathis everyday, no matter how badly he wants to.  We will likely never have to witness Mathis in the lineup again.  This is a huge day for the Angels indeed.  

    • Bluejaysnation 4 years ago

      If The Angels had anyone that could hit last year Angels fans probably wouldnt be so hard on their catcher. Also theres probably some resentment for Reagans giving up their other catcher Napoli. If I was an Angels fan I’d be pissed taking on Wells contract and giving up Napoli too. 

      • VegasANGELSFan 4 years ago

        That is all pretty much true, and we all ARE pissed about trading Napoli and taking on Wells’ contract.  The only good that came out of that was that Reagins was finally fired.  

  53. blueandwhite89 4 years ago

    I’m not a fan of this trade, but theres another aspect people are forgetting.


    When Mathis and Napoli were with the Angels pitchers had a 3.99 ERA with Mathis, and a 4.75 ERA with Napoli. Mathis is good with pitchers.

    He will be Morrows private pitcher. Maybe get 2 in 5 starts with Morow and whoever breaks the team as the jays 5th starter. Then late in the year if the rotation looks good he goes to 1 game in 5 (just Morrow).

    I still don’t like the trade, but I’m sure the pitcher factor played a role.

  54. blueandwhite89 4 years ago

    Arencibia is the one who will make this interesting. His first year in AAA his OPS was 728, and his second year it was 985.

    His first year in the bigs was 720

    I see a sophomore slump coming though. Don’t forget he struck out a ton, and had a 282 OBP last year. Pitchers might have him figured out.

  55. pennypincher 4 years ago

    In other news, the Jays and Angels swap managers too.  Mike Scioscia will be managing the Jays.

  56. Guest 4 years ago

    You’re not thinking this through.

  57. Kay 4 years ago

    damn. the biggest story this offseason! two minor league  players being traded? Both players just needed a change in there environment. Lets see what else Dipoto brings to anaheim.

  58. Lucas Kschischang 4 years ago

    I don’t think anyone’s mentioned this; but Brad Mills throws no harder than 87 MPH… his avg. fastball velocity was 85.2… My average fastball is 80-84 MPH, and I play Canadian college ball…

    This is his velocity chart for the fastball over the last 3 years over varying MLB apperances: link to
    As you can see, it’s declined in each of the previous two years.

    His curve is nasty, but is inconsistent, and he has a tendency for hanging changeups…

    Mills will get eaten alive.

    • Kay 4 years ago

      Same could be said about mathis. He has some positves but he has glaring negatives. If the angels didnt have the rotation they have now and they were relying on Brad Mills too fill in a spot, then I could see it being a problem for the halos.

      • Lucas Kschischang 4 years ago

        But Farrel isn’t retarded, and won’t play Mathis as a starter; if you look at Jose Molina before he played with the Jays he was coming of a season of .217, and .216 prior to that; on the Angels, Mathis’ negatives outweigh the positives, but on the Jays, he’ll fit in to a role where he was needed, and the positives should shine through.

        • Kay 4 years ago

          true and thats why he needed to be traded. The halos gave up on him because he wasnt shinning here and now with the addition of Innieta there is no room for him. The way Scoisca uses his catchers they are never givin an oppurtinity to shine. As an angels fan i would like to see Mathis succeed, hes a solid catcher.

  59. Guest 4 years ago

    They will stop at nothing to defend their greek god… it’s getting pretty bad.

    • grownice 4 years ago

       I agree its embaressing as a Jays fan , and i love whats AA’s done so far but getting Mathis is just never a positive thing. Not to say Mills could bring anything else back that better considering both have 0 value , but still id rather have just let Jeroloman back up, and thats saying something lol

      • Andy Mc 4 years ago

        Mathis is likely plan B for the backup catcher position. 

        • grownice 4 years ago

          I’m not so sure he is… guess we’ll have to wait and see unfortunately.

  60. grownice 4 years ago

    Hahaha i jsut woke up from my nap and seen this, truly a grabage for garbage trade if i ever saw one. But hell 220 some odd comments on  a Mathis for Mills swap LOL? We sure do love our Blue Jays and Angels news!!!

    • brstreet9 4 years ago

      And it seems like half of them are from you.

      • grownice 4 years ago

        Im trying to spread some logic, its tough. My fellow Jays fans( albeit the dumb ones) are actually finding ways , somehow to think they “won” this trade because he’ll only be a backup, its boggles my mind how no one can understand a lose lose trade if they ever saw one.

    • BumWino 4 years ago

      Hey, Mr. Nicely-Nicely, it appears you’re an old-age pensioner like I am.  So you and I are the only ones on here who absolutely know that the only sure way of not making a mistake is by taking a nap.

      Those 220 posts are an indication that most of us need to get a life.

      Have a good one!

  61. Guest 4 years ago

    Napoli at 6-8mil for a few years means no need to sign anybody for 1B/DH.  Jays get a draft pick though… sigh.

  62. Aidin_D 4 years ago

    In what world is a Brad Mills for Jeff Mathis swap grounds for 300 comments? This is so trivial that I would not even consider it news

  63. Dipoto did more than just trade Jeff Mathis with this move. He proved that he’s in charge of the team’s operations, not Mike Scioscia. I’ll never understand Scioscia’s man crush on Mathis but if Scioscia had any say, Mathis would still be an Angel.

  64. grownice 4 years ago

    Both Gm’s probably farted and this is what happened , a Mills for Mathis swap.

  65. So, Angels fans are loving this.  “Mathis is your problem now” they say.  Well, ya, he would be a big problem if he was going to be our starting catcher, but that isn’t the case.  He was brought here to back-up JP and start around 30 games.  Just because he sucks as an everyday player, doesn’t mean he will be a write-off as a back up.  I make this trade 10 times outta 10 if I’m AA.  I like this deal as it gets us a BACKUP catcher that we’ve been looking for and we give up pretty much nothing in a guy that will be a career minor leaguer or below average reliever at best.  Now, how about some REAL trades AA?

    • grownice 4 years ago

       Dont try and make yourself feel better just because Angel fans are happy hes gone, theres usually a reason for that. Nobody won this trade there were only losers, Mathis is atrocious, Mills is atrocious , thats as far as the discussion needs to go.

    • Devon Henry 4 years ago

      nobody cares just sayin…

  66. Hell Im better then Mathis Angels should have done this last year and kept Naps Whats Scioscia gonna do know since he was had a man crush on Mathis

  67. FriedCalamari 4 years ago

    Watch Cito Gaston & Dwayne Murphy are gonna rework his mechanics. Mathis WILL hit 30 HRs next year. 

    • Frank Drebin 4 years ago

      You WILL need to stop smoking ice.

    • BumWino 4 years ago

      Best post of the day!  Yes!  Mathis will slam 30 HR’s minimum.  And Arencibia will hit 90.  And Bo 190.  Our average game runnage should exceed 15. 

      Our ship has finally arrived!  God bless you, Alex Anthopoulos.  If you’re not Geezus, you got to be some kind of important saint at least.  A performer of miracles!

      Fellas, would you please get down on your knees with me here.  Thanks, eh.  Now we’re all going to seriously worship Alex Anthopoulos for half an hour.  I’ll start it off.  And remember, when I pause for breath, shout “Amen!” at the top of your lungs, please.

      ” Our Unorthodox Greek Saint…which art in Skydome…Hallowed be thy……”

      • FriedCalamari 4 years ago

        I was just kidding. It was feces for fecal matter trade.

        • BumWino 4 years ago

          What?  It was colonic waste for defecated dung, you say?  Well shut my mouth.  That’s fantastic news!  Thanks, eh. 

          I was worried that the culture shock of leaving fourth place might play havoc with the workings of my intestines and perhaps even adversely effect my entire digestive system. 

          Fried, you’ll be in our hearts and prayers for the rest of the day.  No doubt about it.

  68. atleast they got someone to catch brandon morrow

    • Frank Drebin 4 years ago

      Yeah, that’s why he started getting absolutely shelled the 2nd or 3rd go around, the catcher.

  69. Hah! There goes the last example for all AA haters. He just traded crap (LOL brad mills; is he a manager or a pitcher wtf) for Jeff Mathis. Jeff. ****ing. Mathis. Mike Napoli, 2011 Rangers WAR leader was traded away because he simply could not compete with Jeff Mathis. Now AA got a true beast of a catcher for scraps and the Angels and Rangers are both screwed. LOL!

    • grownice 4 years ago

      Hoping this is sarcasm… otherwise your just embarrassing Jays fans. Please god make it stop, We are all not this “challenged”!

      • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

         no thats def sarcasm

      • BumWino 4 years ago

        If you can’t tell it’s sarcasm, well, take a look in the mirror if you want to view “challenged” in the flesh.

      • I thought the “is he a manger or a pitcher wtf” thing made it obvious. And i’m a Red Sox fan…

  70. chrisblack 4 years ago

    This was a retaliation move on the part of the Angels for the awful Wells trade. Ha! Take that Toronto!

    • grownice 4 years ago

      Smh… It was Mathis for a pitching version of Mathis, lets be real here. This is a horrible trade for both , and if the Jays play Mathis as a back up then the Jays lose a tad more in this trade. Simple as that. Brutal Brutal trade..for both teams.

  71. Lucas Kschischang 4 years ago

    I love how Angels fans think they won this just because Mathis is so awful…
    Newsflash, Mills is worse.

    Even MATHIS could hit him 😉

    • grownice 4 years ago

       Nobody is worse then Mathis , and im Jays fan. Stop letting there happiness anger you into trying to justify this trade, its horrendous , use your logic, Mathis is Atrocious , Mills is atrocious, but that doesnt mean we should want Mathis for Mills! I would have rathered Jeroloman backup Lol

      • Andy Mc 4 years ago

        Mills was going to be DFA’d anyway. No way AA pays Mathis $2MM.

        • grownice 4 years ago

          What was the purpose for trading for him then?… If Mills was going to be dfa’d , why not just DFA him and not trade for Mathis if you weren’t going to pay for him?… seems kind of pointless doesn’t it?

          • BumWino 4 years ago

            Can Mathis superbly “handle” a pitching staff?  That’s likely a catcher’s most important task. The expert commentators on here either haven’t considered it or just haven’t bothered to ask the question.

            If the answer is “so-so,” then Jeroloman should be backing up Arencibia.

    • Shu13 4 years ago

      Our happiness is that “something” came back….we would have been happy even if he was non tendered so getting Mills is even a +

    • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

      Okay, this is getting ridiculous. some people really seem to not understand that Mathis has a case for worst hitting position player of ALL TIME. Of ALL TIME. Even if he only plays 20 games in a Jays uni, it’s still a loss for them because of his $1.8M salary and his general terribleness.

  72. haha, this is the funniest trade i’ve seen yet. mills of the 85mph fastball and bad control, and mathis of the unequaled suckage at the plate. 

    i guess AA wants practically no one standing in d’arnaud’s way for a midseaon callup. either that or they have some way of evaluating catcher defense that goes way beyond what us fans can do.

    by the way fangraphs has mathis throwing out 33% of runners over the past 3 years, not 25%. unless my math sucks.

  73. cookmeister 4 years ago

    I can’t wait to read what Lyle Spencer writes up about his man crush Mathis.

  74. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    I really hope they are bringing him in to go to Vegas.

    • grownice 4 years ago

       We can only hope… *Sigh

    • Howard 4 years ago

      even if he is back up in the majors for us he will bomb and get sent down lol 

  75. OCAngels 4 years ago

    This motivates me to buy my mini plan…. I vowed not to go to any games if Mathis was the  catcher or shared any time at the position.

  76. azdsnd 4 years ago

    Heh.  I find this immensely pleasurable given the massive groupthink orgy that’s been showing AA with “Best GM EVAR” praise for the last year.  When you made a trade for someone and the best possible outcome for said trade is “instantly non-tendering aforementioned acquired player,” that trade really doesn’t need to be made.  It’s not necessarily bad – Mills isn’t going to amount to much but a possible middle reliever, after all – but paying Mathis anything, not to mention $1.8MM, to be on a big-league roster when he doesn’t belong on one is not worth it.  The dude had a 26 wRC+ last year.  26!!!!!!  Hope Arencibia’s ready for a 150-game season.

    • grownice 4 years ago

       Both teams got garbage that doesn’t belong on a major league team. I dont understand your point? Your mad because AA has made lots of quality moves and this  non move (albeit a slight Loss in terms of value for the Jays) gives you pleasure? Lol you need a hobby

      • azdsnd 4 years ago

        And one team got garbage that is going to cost $1.8MM and is one of the worst players in the big leagues.  The other has an option remaining and won’t have to be on a big-league roster.  It’s just a move that, despite the crowning of Anthopoulos as the GM Messiah around the blogosphere, represents a pretty clear net loss for Toronto, causing Jays fans – like, coincidentally enough, you – to go from trying to defend the move to trying to trash those who find humor in it.

        Anthopoulos is a great GM, and this obviously does nothing to change that.  He could be trying to negotiate with Mathis to get a lower salary for all we know (he would certainly have leverage), and probably knows something that we don’t yet.  If Mathis plays 20 games for $750,000 or something like that while offering a good clubhouse presence, there’s reason to believe that this is a solid choice.  The humor I find in this isn’t in any sort of ding in Anthopoulos’ abilities to manage his roster – that’s absurd.  The humor I find in this is that it puts the “Anthopoulos makes super-awesome-perfect SABR moves all the time that nobody could ever refute” crowd on their heels and makes them needlessly defensive.  Thank you for providing Exhibit A into this hilariousness.

        • grownice 4 years ago

           What are you writing a novel for? I clearly said this was a loss ( albeit a minor one ) anytime you have Jeff Mathis over anyone , its a loss , im the one laughing at people defending the trade , im also trying to calm angel fans down who think this is a fleecing or something retarded like that , this is a clear lose lose, with a slight edge for the Angels.

          • azdsnd 4 years ago

            Because that’s my writing style.

            How is this a lose-lose?  The Angels got a warm body for someone below replacement-level who’s owed more than minimum salary.  If Mills throws a single pitch for the Angels rather than someone on the waiver wire who is inferior to him as a minor-league depth guy, the Angels benefited from the trade.  Toronto could find better options on the waiver wire than Mathis, frankly.

  77. jeez this trade is a lose-lose for both teams

  78. Steve McEwen 4 years ago

    Brad Mills was #7 in 2009 and #8 in 2010.

    The Jays were ranked 19th in both 2009 and 2010.  The first year of Anthopolous, Blue Jays ranked 4th and Mills was ranked 30th among Jays prospects.  That should tell you something.

    • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

      Mathis had a 26 wRC+ in 2011. That should tell you something.

  79. 2UGGLA2BINTO 4 years ago

    I did’nt know Toronto had a garbage pick up on Saturdays?

  80. Scott 4 years ago

    The thing that most everyone isn’t mentioning is that Brad Mills would of rotted in Vegas if he was still with the Jays organisation, and that Jeff Mathis would of been most non-tendered by the Angels. The only thing people are latching on to is the fact that Mills for Mathis is a overpay on the Jays part. Mathis is terrible, but at least Mills could be a serviceable 5th starter on most rotations.

    Lets not kid ourselves. Jeff Mathis is a terrible player, and if any other backstops become available it would be likely that Mathis would be let go for bag of balls, but if nothing else does become available, the Jays are at least not scrambling to find a backup with some big league experience.

    Adam Lowen was a semi-valuable piece as a AAA player waiting to be called up in an emergency (i.e. Brad Mills) and he was released so he could explore other opportunities because he was to far down the depth charts for regular MLB playing time (i.e. Brad Mills). This trade happened because both players had no place of their respective teams. The Jays got an expendable potential backup for JP and the Angels for a AAA pitcher for call ups.

    • Bluejaysnation 4 years ago

      Exactly. Everyones all over the Bluejays for trading for Mathis where he’s only gonna be JP’s backup.
      Farrell’s not stupid enough to put him in the lineup everyday if he’s not capable of being an everyday player but he’s probably quite capable of being a backup with his defence and knowlege of working with the pitchers.
      I have a feeling he’ll turn out to be alot better than everyone letting on and maybe needs a change. Who knows, a new hitting coach and enviroment can do wonders. And the Bluejays have a good young group of core guys that all get along. If he gels anythings possible.
      I commend AA for this move in ridding one of our worst assets for some depth to get the team through the next year.

    • Bluejaysnation 4 years ago

      Exactly. Everyones all over the Bluejays for trading for Mathis where he’s only gonna be JP’s backup.
      Farrell’s not stupid enough to put him in the lineup everyday if he’s not capable of being an everyday player but he’s probably quite capable of being a backup with his defence and knowlege of working with the pitchers.
      I have a feeling he’ll turn out to be alot better than everyone letting on and maybe needs a change. Who knows, a new hitting coach and enviroment can do wonders. And the Bluejays have a good young group of core guys that all get along. If he gels anythings possible.
      I commend AA for this move in ridding one of our worst assets for some depth to get the team through the next year.

  81. Chris Walker 4 years ago

    AA is the truth

  82. Chris Walker 4 years ago

    AA is a ninja assassin

  83. Chris Walker 4 years ago

    AA just traded for Jeff Mathis

  84. WhitfieldB 4 years ago

    Vernon Wells is going to right himself.  Don’t need him to be a superstar.  Ianetta is a huge upgrade over Mathis for the Angels.  I like Dipoto so far.  Next we land Aramis Ramirez, another problem area attacked by our new GM.  Another huge upgrade over Macier Izturis.  We get C.J. Wilson and Aramis Ramirez and I say watch out the the Halos next year.  Toronto will always be an out of contention type team.

    • Bluejaysnation 4 years ago

      Dream on!! Toronto will be better than the Halo’s for years to come!!
      PS Enjoy VW and his dicimal stats!!

      • bwahahaha ..better than the angels???thats alot of load on jose bautista

  85. WhitfieldB 4 years ago

    Vernon Wells is going to right himself.  Don’t need him to be a superstar.  Ianetta is a huge upgrade over Mathis for the Angels.  I like Dipoto so far.  Next we land Aramis Ramirez, another problem area attacked by our new GM.  Another huge upgrade over Macier Izturis.  We get C.J. Wilson and Aramis Ramirez and I say watch out the the Halos next year.  Toronto will always be an out of contention type team.

  86. BumWino 4 years ago

    My five-year-old grandson said that this trade was “kaka”.  The nerve of that cute little guy.  I’m really annoyed with him. 

    A “kaka trade” is inferred criticism of Alex Anthopoulos.  I won’t tolerate that. So I asked my daughter to give him a spanking, but she wouldn’t do it.  Then she said I needed professional help. 

    I guess I must have gone wrong somewhere bringing up my children.

  87. mariov44 4 years ago

    Great trade for Toronto! They got the best defensive catcher in the game.

  88. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    it’s ok to say “our GM made a mistake” sometimes. he’s still very good

  89. vilifyingforce 4 years ago

    It was a mistake, I can see why he did it though.

  90. johnsmith4 4 years ago

    Honestly, not sure it was a mistake.  AA valued the potential supplemental pick in Francisco more than Napoli.  Especially with Arencibia and D’Arnaud coming through the system.

  91. iamsynecdoche 4 years ago

    It’s a mistake only in hindsight. Did anybody actually expect Napoli to have the season that he did?

  92. Bluejaysnation 4 years ago

    Napoli turned out better than most thought. His value wasn’t what it is now and AA got reasonable return at the time. There was no room for him and AA traded for a need in Francisco. Had Francisco had a better year no one would be complaining.

  93. Well, it seems to me that you kinda have to wait and see if the Jays actually pay him that projected salary or if there’s another move coming. If Mathis is still on the roster April 1 and making more than $1 million – THEN call it a mistake.

  94. vilifyingforce 4 years ago

    There is nothing interesting about this rumour.

  95. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    jays fans gonna be ridiculous in this thread i see

  96. TimotheusATL 4 years ago

    david ross disagrees strongly with your theory

  97. jedicouncil 4 years ago

    not really, jose molina was worth a 1st round supp. pick, all mathis was brought in for was to be the defensive back up catcher he is, arencibia is the strong bat starter, mathis the defensive back up.  pretty straight forward

  98. pastlives 4 years ago

    really, its jut dumb to get hung up on thi trade. ultimately they traded wells for a year of francisco + a top 50 pick. why dwell on this one trade? i guess jays fans just want to support their GM and not be bitter. its been like a year since the trade,  sorry we’re not constantly whining about napoli.

  99. johnsmith4 4 years ago

    Honestly, you are the delusional one in thinking Jays had a chance last year to catch Yankees and Red Sox.  I am glad, to use AA’s words, he completed the tear down last year and now is focused on building a team that includes a solid prospect funnel.

    You must have been among the group of people JP tried to appease when signing BJ Ryan and Frank Thomas.  Thank goodness those days are behind us.

  100. Napoli wouldn’t have been so good this year if he didn’t get the AA Golden Touch placed on him, so there.

  101. kwiell 4 years ago

    3 years and $63 million worth of fun. (I’d feel at least a little bad for the constant ribbing of the dude and his giant contract if, you know, he weren’t making $21 million per year.)

  102. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    moving from a pitcher’s park to homer-friendly toronto, napoli was an easy projection for a wOBA around .380. 2 years of that was always going to be worth more than 1 year of a reliever. the presence of edwin encarnacion is not an excuse

    i write “it’s okay to admit your GM made a mistake” and get a half dozen comments vehemently denying it. you guys are crazy. it was both a defensible choice and a mistake. i’d bet good money that AA himself would tell you as much. life goes on

    this trade too is a mistake. is it a big one? no. but it’s still a mistake. you guys have some serious blinders on when it comes to anthopolous

  103. Starting pitching was the bigger need. The Jays should’ve kept Napoli to package him for that mid-season.

  104. Scott’s statement may be a tad hyperbolic, but JeDi’s making a strong case for himself thus far.

  105. It’s pretty pathetic that you follow my comments and always have something to say about them, are you my # 1 fan? I’ve watched Mathis for a long time now, too long if you ask me. He is not going to resurrect his career in Toronto.

    *Edit: He really didn’t have a career to begin with, so what I meant to say is that he’s not going to suddenly become a good baseball player with a change of scenery. Also, I’m not sure where you got the idea that I’m a Diamondbacks fan Mr. “Spliffy,” maybe you should lay off the spliffs.

  106. southpawryno 4 years ago

    What does being a Diamondbacks fan have to do with it?

  107. Joesebastian6 4 years ago

    Aren’t you an m’s fan?

  108. vilifyingforce 4 years ago

    You gettin your hate out or something? I see nobody vehemently denying it. I admitted the deal is a mistake, I can see what he was after though.

  109. Morley C 4 years ago

    *sigh* Napoli would never have had the breakout year being a bench player. Arencibia was always the everyday catcher. You can’t play these silly “what-if” games. The alternate universe you’re proposing was superemely unlikely.

  110. Bluejaysnation 4 years ago

    Who cares!! AA got rid of Wells contract and traded for a closer. That was more important at the timer than a part time 1B/C/DH bench player. And how is this trade a mistake ?? Two nobody’s. Neither have done anything and both would have been non-tendered anyways.

  111. jedicouncil 4 years ago

    you must really like brad mills to call it a mistake, the jays picked up a DEFENSIVE back up catcher because thats what they needed since molina signed with tampa, nothing lost nothing gained

  112. LA 4 years ago

    This is hilarious..Napoli for Francisco is still not a mistake. How do you know Napoli will do the same thing next season and this season might been his best ever. TBH I don’t see how we would lose in that trade. We got a good quality closer/bullpen arm in Francisco and if he leaves we get a supplement draft pick. If we would have kept Napoli he might not have the same season he had in Texas. Also, Coaches has some factors to that you know. Maybe he would not have clicked with Toronto’s Coaches than what Texas Coaches provided him. LMAO how is this trade a mistake? Brad Mills an expendable pitcher for a backup catcher with good defensive skills and game calling.

  113. johnsilver 4 years ago

    Most probably expected him to be a C/DH with extreme power at the least who had a 3+ year track record.

    Still..All good GM’s make mistakes, this Napoli move was a head scratcher at the time for sure.. But it happens.

  114. strikethree 4 years ago

    Yes, his past performance showed that he had great power. (he had a monster performance in 2011 but even his prior numbers suggested he derserved to be a starter on most teams)

    It was a real head-scratcher on why he wasn’t starting — especially when his competition was Jeff Mathis.

  115. Nope. He was 29 and his window for a break out year was closing fast. People like to think he had a great season. He had a great second half. He needs to prove he can maintain that production over a 162 game season, and for more than 1 season. We’ll know at the end of 2013.

  116. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    3-to-1 denial to acceptance. no hate, just disappointment

  117. vilifyingforce 4 years ago

    Did you seriously expect anything different though? Every fanbase has them.

  118. Dynasty22 4 years ago

    To be fair David Ross would be on a starter on the majority of teams.

  119. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    yes, actually. thus the disappointment. i enjoyed the naive belief that jays fans were generally more reasonable & affable than most

    when i saw mathis for mills i was like “oh good, hopefully the jays fans can laugh at themselves for once. they finally made a bad trade”. bad trades are supposed to be fun

    instead, this thread. bummed

  120. mwagner26 4 years ago

    Rasmus has much more potential than Mathis ever did.

  121. grownice 4 years ago

     Yawn. If your going to troll be creative at least, your tirade is tiresome and boring.

  122. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    i wonder if napoli could play any position other than catcher

    830 innings at 1B the last 2 years. the AL also has a DH

    “we have 2 years of this .380 wOBA bat that can play catcher 1B and DH. but we already have inferior options at 2 of those positions, so we better trade for 1 year of a reliever. anything else is an alternate universe”


  123. you mean mid-season when he was batting .230? I’m sure that would have brought back the front-of-the-rotation starter the Jays are after.

  124. Bluejaysnation 4 years ago

    Jays didn’t have a real need for SP last off season. Where as they had no closer. So yeah, AA traded for what they needed at the time.

  125. John McFadin 4 years ago

    No, what’s LMAO is that the Jays actually took Mathis off the Angel’s hands.  Now that’s LMAO.

  126. vilifyingforce 4 years ago

    It’s not bad enough to be really that funny though. Mathis is overpaid by a million and Mills is garbage. So the Jays found another pile of garbage and are paying a million bucks for it…unless AA got the Angels to kick in some money. That could change everything.

  127. kimofromkauai 4 years ago

    Wait a week or so, and add the non-tenders to the pile of current free agent catchers.  There will be several cheaper and better than Mathis.

  128. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    mills and mathis are not equivalent, that’s beyond silly

    mathis could have been had for nothing

    mathis shouldn’t be had for anything and doesn’t belong in the majors

    trading anything but oliver perez for jeff mathis is hilarious and every non-jays fan knows this

  129. vilifyingforce 4 years ago

    So you’re saying Brad Mills carries positive value?

  130. Bluejaysnation 4 years ago

    He probably just needs a change of scenery.

  131. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    napoli’s wOBA in july was over .400

  132. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    what exactly did they need a closer for?

  133. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    could have just kept the superior-in-every-way molina for mathis’ salary instead of giving away a former top 10 org prospect

    anyone who thinks this is is defensible needs to google “opportunity cost”

  134. Bluejaysnation 4 years ago

    Closers pitch the 9th inning to shut the game down……..Duh!!! What do you think they needed a closer for??? Usually if you don’t have a closer you’ll probably need to get one before the season starts.

  135. notsureifsrs 4 years ago


  136. Bluejaysnation 4 years ago


  137. Bluejaysnation 4 years ago

    How does a ‘former top 10  org prospect’ hold any value in todays terms??? I would think the extra draft pick for Molina would be more worth it since he only plays a handful of games anyways.

  138. jedicouncil 4 years ago

    hmmmm molina or mathis and a 1st round supp. pick, tough call lol

  139. LA 4 years ago

    now thats something to laugh about..Brad Mills value as a “former top 10 org prospect”

    Thanks for coming bud..

  140. jedicouncil 4 years ago

    why keep molina when you can let him walk AND PICK UP A FIRST ROUND SUPP. PICK and replace him with another back up catcher,repeat…back up catcher.  anyone who cant understand this should google “stop sniffing skid marks because it kills brain cells“

  141. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    stop lying about his season. he had a wOBA over .400 in the first half and finished at .444

  142. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    that’s true about molina. so with him ruled out, you are down to only like 20 better options than trading for mathis

  143. mkl_nyn 4 years ago

    This is getting ridiculous… 
    Not a big deal at all, but Mathis would’ve been non-tendered and actually could’ve been picked up for nothing.
    There will always be good reasoning behind every trade or signing, but mistakes are still mistakes.  Even if the Lind/Encarnacion duo combined to mash 65hr and outperformed everyone’s expectations, the Jays simply did not get enough value for Napoli.  Trade was a headscratcher at the time, and the only way it would’ve made sense now is if Fransisco went from decent reliever to lights out closer after the change of scenery.  Things didn’t turn out that bad for the Jays, but Texas clearly won that deal – and it’s not even close.
    Can’t go hyping the Rasmus deal, then turn around and defend trading away Napoli for a single reliever.  Good GMs will make a ton of mistakes… time stop riding his johnson and move on…

  144. jedicouncil 4 years ago

    exactly, glad someone around here has the smarts to see the big picture

  145. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    here i’ll help

    molina and no pick << mathis and a supp. pick <<<<<<<< a supp. pick and anybody but mathis

  146. mkl_nyn 4 years ago

    you’re not thinking this through.

  147. blueandwhite89 4 years ago

    I don’t like it either, but AA isn’t going to trade for the guy, pay him 1.8M and not play off of his only strength. If Mathis takes 2 in 5 starts for april, and then 1 in 5 after that Arencibia still gets roughly 77% of the at bats on the year. He got 72% of them last year.

  148. nsbirddog 4 years ago

    This might be a precursor to a bigger trade between the Halos and the Jays. OK, we’ll take Mathis and his salary off your hands for a minor league lefty starter, and now we can hash out another deal. I’m glad that at the moment Toronto now has a backup catcher in our system with MLB experience. We lost Molina and Budde, and up until right now we only had Arencibia with experience. I’m expecting another Halo/Jay deal in the next few days….

  149. That’s not how trades work… why would you pay someone, and then say “ok, now figure out how much I oughta get, even though I already paid you”.

  150. Howard 4 years ago

     I had a lot of high hope for Brad Mills, not a huge strike out guy who can blow you away with his fastball but I still had some faith in him. Not a bad move here though as I think it helps us fill the back up role and lets us trade away a pitcher who prob. would of ended up in our bullpen if anything anyways..

  151. jjs91 4 years ago

    Ya it’s strange especially since if they kept napoli they’d have zero need for ortiz.

  152. jjs91 4 years ago

    But more specifically he traded napoli for a mediocre reliever, calling him a closer may make him sound more valuable but doesnt change the facts.

  153. mkl_nyn 4 years ago

    It’s getting pretty bad… they will stop at nothing to defend their greek god.

  154. mkl_nyn 4 years ago

    Napoli at 6-8mil would’ve meant no need to overpay anybody at 1B/DH for a while… Jays do get a draft pick though!  sigh…

  155. vilifyingforce 4 years ago

    You guys are no better. Between the AAlovers and the Realistics these threads always derail into an argument about a trade that happened a year ago that neither side is willing to let go of.

  156. jedicouncil 4 years ago

    how so, the jays let molina walk, who was their back up catcher and picked up another back up catcher PLUS a 1st round supp. pick, think about that

  157. mkl_nyn 4 years ago

    Hmm, believe the thread was already derailed, but watevs..? lol Plus, don’t think there’s anything wrong with a reasonable reply to unreasonable posts that blatantly ignore reality to put their slant on a story — especially a reply using statistics (484ops!?) and history (last years trade) as reference. Kind of the whole point, no?
    Also, think you meant ‘Realists’, but it’s cool. All in good fun buddy…

  158. mkl_nyn 4 years ago

    Thought the point was that the pick is there regardless, the Jays could have picked up ANY other catcher via free agency or trade, and that Jeff Mathis (211oba!?) is just bad… like, really bad.

  159. LA 4 years ago

    no one expected Napoli to have a great season and no expected Francisco to be lights out closer. The only thing that matters is we got rid of Vernons contract and we got a good quality reliever. The team that should be pissed is the Angels. First they took in Wells contract and they trade Napoli away.

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  161. LA 4 years ago

    That’s in do you know he would have put that number up in Toronto?

  162. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    he wouldn’t need to have been .444 wOBA-good to make keeping him the smart thing to do

  163. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    jeff mathis isn’t worth anything. do you understand that? he’s not worth anything. he has negative value. he is a non-tender guy

    brad mills could be toronto’s worst prospect and it would be too much to give up. the fact that a year and a half ago he was in the org’s top 10 only indicates how far from 0 he was

  164. mkl_nyn 4 years ago

    Totally understand (“good reasoning behind every trade or signing…”) that it’s not a big a deal (“Things didn’t turn out that bad…”), but picking molina/encarnacion over napoli didn’t make much sense to begin with. Commenting more on the level of enthusiam fans in this city have for the GM. He’s great, but still doesn’t make sense to blindly defend every single move the guy makes. It’s okay to not totally agree with a deal here and there — like bringin in Mathis instead of any other catcher.
    Just a jays fan concerned about the state of jays fandom. Don’t want us to start sounding like Yankees fans around these threads, right? :)

  165. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    “clicking” with coaches gives him a .444 wOBA. he could play without any coaches and still post a .370 in his sleep in hitter-friendly toronto, just based on what he’d done in pitcher-friendly anaheim

    francisco closed for a team that didn’t need a closer and will net a  supplemental draft pick in 2012 when napoli himself would have been worth much more in trade this offseason had the jays kept him

    the fact that you’re trying to talk up jeff mathis now that he’s on your team is just embarrassing. such an enormous homer

  166. mkl_nyn 4 years ago

    Even if Lind repeats 2009 or EE ends up OPSing 950 and mashes 35hrs next year, the fact is that Napoli was traded for a reliever.  Again, can’t be going around ripping Cardinals fans (esp after the WS win) for defending the Rasmus trade — which involved a decent young starting prospect in stewart, scrabble and a couple of draft picks in Dotel/Frasor — and be mad when people disagree with a deal sending an established power-hitting catcher under 2 years of control away for one decent reliever with only 1.. especially after their performances last season. Anthopoulos himself uses ‘hindsight’ and ‘value’ a lot these days whenever asked about the deal.

    As for this, giving up anything for Jeff Mathis can’t be a good trade — even a relatively young AAAA lefty has more value than arguably one of the worst hitters to ever play the game with a reputation for defense and game-calling.  This deal doesn’t really matter at all, agree with the nothing for nothing argument, but no need to defend everything AA does… and talking up Mathis… really?

  167. Shawnthemon 4 years ago

    Vernon Wells.

  168. vilifyingforce 4 years ago

    There’s nothing to work out unless he learns how to throw a  lot harder. You’re getting exactly the same thing as non-tendering him would have brought.

  169. Are you serious? You’d rather have John Farrell than Mike Scioscia? Don’t let Sciosch’s irrational love for Jeff Mathis cloud the fact that he’s a pretty solid manager, to say the least.

  170. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

     I cant see d’arnaud coming up to be a back up catcher..

    JPA’s value is too high to not trade if he becomes expendable

  171. Coollet 4 years ago

    Angels fans will never be able to hold anything to the Jays because of that one trade

  172. FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

    Explain to me how acquiring the worst hitter in MLB is not a bad move.

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  175. FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

    Guess what, they still play.

  176. Bluejaysnation 4 years ago

    He was a closer before the trade. And Napoli was equally mediocre.

  177. Coollet 4 years ago

    over 400

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  179. Bluejaysnation 4 years ago

    As long as he can handle 30 games as Morrows personal catcher who cares.

  180. Bluejaysnation 4 years ago

    The best pitcher in AAA because all the best pitchers are held back in AA because of the hitter friendly PCL. True that he did better than any of the other AAA pitchers but it doesn’t put him in the same class as the Blue Jays prospect pitchers in AA. Mills is nowhere near the level.

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  182. Bluejaysnation 4 years ago

    Just a sidenote ‘Every team NEEDS a closer’. That is all.

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  184. Bluejaysnation 4 years ago

    you’re false

  185. doyers 4 years ago

    U r the one that should keep your stupid comments to yourself

  186. Andy Mc 4 years ago

    Mathis will be non-tendered or traded. Mills would have been DFA’d, and claimed before the 2012 season. There was no room for him on the 40-man roster. 

    This is an inconsequential trade if there ever was one?

  187. Howard 4 years ago

     Well obviously he’s going to be a back up but Toronto was dumb not to bring back Molina, now they had to find a catcher to replace him and I think Arencibia will be a beast next year and play most of the games anyways so Mathis is just there for now, but I wouldn’t doubt seeing him go to AAA. Maybe we could of gotten a better deal for Mills elsewhere, I dunno but the rotation is full we have a ton of starting prospects.

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