Giants Acquire Pagan From Mets For Torres, Ramirez

The Giants and Mets have agreed on a deal that will send Andres Torres and Ramon Ramirez to New York and Angel Pagan to San Francisco, tweets Joel Sherman of the New York Post. The Giants will also receive a player to be named later or cash, according to a team release. The deal was announced by both clubs today.

All three players are arbitration eligible, and Torres in particular was a candidate to be non-tendered next week.  Both Torres and Pagan were valuable as regulars in 2010 but struggled in 2011, though the Mets were expected to tender Pagan a contract.  

Prior to the Giants' acquisition of Pagan, their outfield was expected to feature Aubrey Huff in left, Melky Cabrera in center, and Nate Schierholtz in right field.  Given the defensive inadequacies of Huff and Cabrera, Pagan might be a well-used fourth outfielder in San Francisco.  Pagan will be surely be motivated to earn regular playing time, as he's entering his contract year.  He projects to earn $4.7MM through arbitration for 2012.

The Mets can potentially control Torres for two years, and MLBTR estimates a salary of around $2.5MM in 2012.  He makes for a nice upside play for GM Sandy Alderson.  Alderson has also revamped his 2012 bullpen in the course of about an hour.  Ramirez is a useful, affordable addition, and the Mets also signed veteran relievers Jon Rauch and Frank Francisco (together again!)

GMs Alderson and Brian Sabean last matched up in late July, when the Mets traded Carlos Beltran and cash to the Giants for pitching prospect Zack Wheeler.

Tim Dierkes contributed to this post.


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279 Comments on "Giants Acquire Pagan From Mets For Torres, Ramirez"


dc21892
3 years 8 months ago

Guess this spells the end of Beltran in SF.

3 years 8 months ago

The move saves them $2.5-3 Million, so maybe not. 

Pepgrad
3 years 8 months ago

Are you sure about that? MLBTR projected arbitration #’s: Torres – 2.5m, Ramirez – 2.3m vs Pagan – 4.7m. Am I missing something?

3 years 8 months ago

The move saves them $2.5-3 Million, so maybe not. 

Wrek305
3 years 8 months ago

That’s a good thing, that Beltran is not on the Giants, and personally i can’t stand it that a bunch of judy hitter won the WS. Guys like Cody Ross and Freddy Sanchez have never been good yet they won a WS. Not to mention Brian Wilson is a complete tool with that beard.

Steve Layman
3 years 8 months ago

QQ

Lastings
3 years 8 months ago

Ramirez is a good piece, but really don’t want Torres instead of Pagan. I guess that’s the only way to have landed Ramirez.

Whole_New_World
3 years 8 months ago

Buy low. Sell lower.

Marky Mark
3 years 8 months ago

Niceee, solid move by alderson, pagan was such a frustrating player

Grab some pine, meat.
3 years 8 months ago

Torres was as well.

dinoes
3 years 8 months ago

Good trade by Sabean.

3 years 8 months ago

NO, WRONG. Try again.

dinoes
3 years 8 months ago

What’s wrong about the trade?

Whole_New_World
3 years 8 months ago

Well, for starters, the Giants are kinda collecting 4th OFers.

(Not sure why)

HowdIGetHere
3 years 8 months ago

Can’t afford to be shown up by the Dodgers’ quest to collect utility infielders.

jza1218
3 years 8 months ago

Also the Giants made their bullpen weaker in the process.

Whole_New_World
3 years 8 months ago

Well, for starters, the Giants are kinda collecting 4th OFers.

(Not sure why)

3 years 8 months ago

I will miss you, Andres. Thanks for 2010. <3

HowdIGetHere
3 years 8 months ago

I don’t care if it was only one outstanding year. Andres Torres was a good Giant.

Whole_New_World
3 years 8 months ago

I wish him well in NY. Hope he rebounds.

Whole_New_World
3 years 8 months ago

I wish him well in NY. Hope he rebounds.

Joveoak
3 years 8 months ago

Anything about Torres and Ramirez that we Mets fans should be worried about?

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

Well, Torres sucks, you should worry about that.

3 years 8 months ago

if he’s a good defensive CF, fine with me.

mmiller54
3 years 8 months ago

He is exceptional at defense.

HowdIGetHere
3 years 8 months ago

Torres is a great defensive CF. No worries there.

HowdIGetHere
3 years 8 months ago

Torres is a great defensive CF. No worries there.

3 years 8 months ago

Ramirez doesnt though hes quite nice

gmen_fever
3 years 8 months ago

He missed every breaking ball by about 2 feet last year.

He also works out bear-footed in designer jeans during the offseason.

I will forever be thankful for his 2010 that came out of absolute nowhere

baybombers
3 years 8 months ago

LMAO i remember that, doesnt he do it back in his home country puerto rico? Wears the designer jeans and lifts a concrete cinder block behind him and launches it?

Tony DiQuattro
3 years 8 months ago

Yes… on DVD soon

baybombers
3 years 8 months ago

LMAO i remember that, doesnt he do it back in his home country puerto rico? Wears the designer jeans and lifts a concrete cinder block behind him and launches it?

55saveslives
3 years 8 months ago

What the F for? Pagan is NOT a power bat or a SS which is what we need.  It doesn’t really free up any money either!

3 years 8 months ago

Just another player who cant hit for power to fill up the Giants roster.

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

But a slightly better one!

bblh
3 years 8 months ago

He’s an ok hitting CF with speed, sorry, but that’s an upgrade.

Reaper87
3 years 8 months ago

Plus it means there is an excuse to play Melky in a corner OF spot instead of CF, where the potential damage of his poor glove can be minimized

dlineback
3 years 8 months ago

Well, he’s a leadoff hitter that can steal bases.. which is something the Giants didn’t have.

guydavis
3 years 8 months ago

Not sure if you ever watched him lead off but he did not look comfortable. Pretty sure he said that he wasn’t comfortable doing it too. Very SSS though so shouldn’t be too worried about it.

Dynasty22
3 years 8 months ago

You have one extra spot though.

Grab some pine, meat.
3 years 8 months ago

You’re missing the point. Pagan is an offensive upgrade because he can get on base and steal, while Torres does a half-assed job at both. 19 steals last year… THAT’S IT. Pagan had 30 something.

CitizenSnips
3 years 8 months ago

Sure.

manoman12
3 years 8 months ago

Pretty much a wash.

3 years 8 months ago

Hmmmmm. Initial reaction: Giants “win” this one

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

Ramon Ramirez

3 years 8 months ago

Mets win this one because Ramirez is really good. The other two are basically the same player/wash.

3 years 8 months ago

Gasp.

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

Wow.

tacko
3 years 8 months ago

Umm, who leads off on the Mets now?

vtadave
3 years 8 months ago

Does it matter?

tacko
3 years 8 months ago

Yes, because there are 30 teams in baseball and every single one of those teams have games to play. Get off your high horse. Just because a club fields a mediocre team doesn’t mean it doesn’t have a fan base to play for. These “LOL METS DON’T MATTER CAUSE THEY SUCK” posts have been stale for the past 3 years.

I get it. The Mets currently suck. But I like to root for my teams, even if they aren’t winning.

Rabbitov
3 years 8 months ago

Why do you hate vtadave?

3 years 8 months ago

The Mets don’t suck they now have a much better established bullpen and they have an underated offense who led the NL in most runs scored.Grant it a lot of that was because of the prense of Jose Reyes who is now in Miami.But they have a lot of positives coming up

1.Zach Wheeler and Matt Harvey possibly Familla
2.Flores(much better than some people think)
3.Ike returning
4.Tejada is a good ss much better defensivley than Reyes
5.walls coming in,yes everyone forgets that
6.a low possible Santana rebound.

The Mets do not suck they are in a heavily competitve NL East I  will say they are better than some of the other teams out there.
 

ApMatechak
3 years 8 months ago

when did they lead the nl in runs scored?

Dan Hansen
3 years 8 months ago

Dude, I’m a Mets fan but don’t have the faith that you do. Reyes was a much better ss, hitter & stealer. Remember Tejada was sent back to the minors in 2010 b/c he was making errors left and right and couldn’t hit. Thankfully he did well coming back this year. So don’t get me wrong, I like Tejada and have high hopes for him! But I think he still needs some work.

Ike may be returning, but they are talking about trading him and maybe even trading Murph – unbelievable.

I don’t think we’ll see Zach Wheeler yet.
Santana? Ugh.
And let’s not forget Jason Bay. A great guy with a couple bad years. Hopefully things turn around for him in 2012.

Even as mgmt & ownership destroys this team, I’m sure I’ll keep following and putting money in their pockets. What a dummy.

tacko
3 years 8 months ago

Yes, because there are 30 teams in baseball and every single one of those teams have games to play. Get off your high horse. Just because a club fields a mediocre team doesn’t mean it doesn’t have a fan base to play for. These “LOL METS DON’T MATTER CAUSE THEY SUCK” posts have been stale for the past 3 years.

I get it. The Mets currently suck. But I like to root for my teams, even if they aren’t winning.

mistermonkey
3 years 8 months ago

Andres Torres.

guydavis
3 years 8 months ago

No thank you.

mistermonkey
3 years 8 months ago

Oh, I completely agree, but that would have to be the plan, no? Maybe they’ll non-tender Torres and sign Crisp?

GriffeyandSizemore
3 years 8 months ago

Ramon Ramirez 

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

Ramon Ramirez.

Rabbitov
3 years 8 months ago

Ramon Ramirez. 

guydavis
3 years 8 months ago

Jason Bay possibly.

3 years 8 months ago

they could easily sign a coco crisp to fix that or they could actually try and swap for B.J

WrigleyTerror37
3 years 8 months ago

i like this deal for both sides

Greg Morse
3 years 8 months ago

Finally someone who understands baseball.  Great trade for both sides.  I am a die hard Giants fan and Torres is one of my favorites, however he sucked last year and I’m tired of him swinging at high and outside pitches.  Pagan is better than Torres….that’s the 2010 version.  2011 Torres I would rather have Brett Pill play center field.  Ramirez is a stud but always getting the deeper bullpen in trouble. 

Greg Morse
3 years 8 months ago

Finally someone who understands baseball.  Great trade for both sides.  I am a die hard Giants fan and Torres is one of my favorites, however he sucked last year and I’m tired of him swinging at high and outside pitches.  Pagan is better than Torres….that’s the 2010 version.  2011 Torres I would rather have Brett Pill play center field.  Ramirez is a stud but always getting the deeper bullpen in trouble. 

LeoAcevedo
3 years 8 months ago

As a met fan LOVE PAGAN, but this is the right move . Gives a chance to Fernando Martinez i think (he’s done btw) but Torres is Decent to me and i always liked Ramirez , no complaints. Id rather see changes ! I think pagan is SUPER injury prone , but im a big fan of his work. I dnt see why SF did this theyre OUTFIELD DEPTH is krazy! Especially after getting melky, but i like this deal .

mord13
3 years 8 months ago

dude, F-Mart is injury prone too, all he does is get hurt, they now need a center fielder in the worst way and they better sign someone else since I don’t believe that Ramirez is the answer at close.

oleosmirf
3 years 8 months ago

Fernando Martinez was sent to the glue factory about 3-4 months ago. Where were you?

mookie_and_doc
3 years 8 months ago

I would say it actually opens the door for Kirk Neiuwenhuis (sp?) if he recovers from injury and not Fernando Martinez who, frankly, I no longer consider a prospect.

3 years 8 months ago

Another hitter who will not improve the giants offense whatsoever. Typical Sabean. Say bye to Lincecum. Unless the Giants offer him an 8 year deal he will be gone in 2 years. What pitcher wants to play for a team that continues to not score runs. Lincecum should have had 20 wins last year. Sabean you are pathetic.

vtadave
3 years 8 months ago

Hi, I’m the 2010 World Series trophy.

3 years 8 months ago

Hi your right you are the 2010 world series trophy. Im a giants fan and Sabean got lucky that year. He didnt even want Cody Ross and Patt Burrell was released by the rays and was a lucky signing. Wake up its 2011 now.

Rabbitov
3 years 8 months ago

He got lucky? I am laughing too hard to respond to that. 

radicalpro
3 years 8 months ago

How do you luck into a World Series?  A lot of things have to go right.

Reaper87
3 years 8 months ago

You luck into a series when you make the same caliber of moves you had been making to mixed results for years, then suddenly they all work out magnificently. I’m a big Giants fan, and they had a lot of pieces needed for a title run (pitching and lots of it), but there was a good amount of luck in how 2010 played out for them

Reaper87
3 years 8 months ago

You luck into a series when you make the same caliber of moves you had been making to mixed results for years, then suddenly they all work out magnificently. I’m a big Giants fan, and they had a lot of pieces needed for a title run (pitching and lots of it), but there was a good amount of luck in how 2010 played out for them

radicalpro
3 years 8 months ago

How was Lincecum, Cain, Wilson, Bumgarner, Posey, Sanchez, lucky?  They were the core of the team.  Ross and Burrell turned out better than anyone expected but it’s a stretch to say, over a 162 game schedule and 3 playoff rounds, that they lucked into a WS.  Please.

Reaper87
3 years 8 months ago

Staying incredibly injury-free almost all year, being forced to take Cody Ross (who easily could have been left off the post-season roster if MLB hadn’t come in and basically forced the Giants to leave Jose Guillen off), getting roughly half a seasons worth of the 30 homer Pat Burrell and not the one that showed up in 2011, letting your manager have your lefty specialist (Lopez) face way too many RHBs and not get burned by it… yeah, I think that all those had at least a little luck factor. Like I said, they had a lot of the necessary pieces to make a run, but it takes more than a handful of players to win a title, and 2010 was a perfect storm

Rabbitov
3 years 8 months ago

Every single World Series championship ever has had some degree of luck involved.  You are obviously an intelligent poster, which is why I know you can’t really think that the Giants made it to (thats 162 games) and won a World Series based on luck.   

radicalpro
3 years 8 months ago

Well, then I guess in 2011 they were extremely unlucky.

3 years 8 months ago

not a lot of teams repeat after winning in facty a lot of teams tend to be bad.

2006 Cards
2005 White Sox
1986 Mets(for a little bit)
2003 Marlins
2004 Red Sox(for a little bit)

Reaper87
3 years 8 months ago

Staying incredibly injury-free almost all year, being forced to take Cody Ross (who easily could have been left off the post-season roster if MLB hadn’t come in and basically forced the Giants to leave Jose Guillen off), getting roughly half a seasons worth of the 30 homer Pat Burrell and not the one that showed up in 2011, letting your manager have your lefty specialist (Lopez) face way too many RHBs and not get burned by it… yeah, I think that all those had at least a little luck factor. Like I said, they had a lot of the necessary pieces to make a run, but it takes more than a handful of players to win a title, and 2010 was a perfect storm

radicalpro
3 years 8 months ago

How was Lincecum, Cain, Wilson, Bumgarner, Posey, Sanchez, lucky?  They were the core of the team.  Ross and Burrell turned out better than anyone expected but it’s a stretch to say, over a 162 game schedule and 3 playoff rounds, that they lucked into a WS.  Please.

gmen_fever
3 years 8 months ago

Its the Giants fans way. Everything that Sabean does that works out is luck. He obviously could never make a good deal

Reaper87
3 years 8 months ago

A lot of fans do feel this way, the way I see it he took some chances and they all worked out in 2010. He’s not completely incapable of doing a good job, but he’s not a top GM like a lot of people wanted to say he was at this point last year. He’s still a guy who’s ok, not great, at his job

3 years 8 months ago

not so fast. our offense next year will definitely be better. will it be great? no, but in a pitcher’s park it should suffice. we only lost the west this year by 3 games without Posey for much of the year or Freddy for the last part. Giants also have Belt and Gary Brown to look forward to over the next few years. 

3 years 8 months ago

I know what the giants are capable of but when you start trading away pitchers like Ramirez then the Offense needs to get better, not stagnant.  Just another typical Sabean offseason.  High hopes and belittled dreams

mmiller54
3 years 8 months ago

And the Dbacks have room to improve with Parker being in the rotation and potentially picking up Kuroda.

3 years 8 months ago

Why do people hate on Sabes so much? dude put a team together that brought a world series to SF!  He also put together one of the best if not the best pitching staff in the league. Do you thinks he chooses to not sign Pujols or Fielder? C’mon bro chill out and be thankful we have such a fun team to root for!
Go Gigantes!

gmen_fever
3 years 8 months ago

Its because he doesnt fully subscribe to sabermetrics (a fact that I like). People will never give him any credit for that sole reason.

His teams never look great on paper (which is what people come to these types of sites for) but they usually win which is all I care about personally.

baybombers
3 years 8 months ago

yeah i tend to agree, pagan isnt what the lineup truly needs, he will help though.  but then again the offseason isnt close to being over. I think we should wait and see till its offically over. Their budget is tied up cause of zito and rowand, it hurts thinking about that.

3 years 8 months ago

Congrats Sabean you got ripped off again, Pagan is nothing more than a upgrade of a bench player.Grant it in 2010 he did have a good season offensivley but in 2011 he was pathetic although he was injured.Btw defensivley hes terrible

The Mets got a  nice reliever
+ a good bench player who is a good defensive outfielder

3 years 8 months ago

Agreed. The strategy matters less than being able to pull the ring out, and let’s face it – he did assemble the best homegrown pitching staff in baseball. It’s not like he was Omar Minaya-ing his way through the free agent list to make wins happen.

3 years 8 months ago

agreed but in this year hes fallen under a rock for two terrible trades, have to give him credit for assembling a team that knocked out the favorite Phillies out of the playoffs

3 years 8 months ago

He spent years getting credit for the Giants being good, when in reality he had the best player of his generation and did frustratingly little to build around him. He used to have such an anti-draft stance that he would do things like sign Michael Tucker before he could be offered arbitration (when he probably would have been non-tendered) specifically to lose his first round pick. And now that he has an exceptional core due to strong drafting, he’s given it no offensive support, instead making silly signings like Rowand, DeRosa, etc. And then he does things like sign Aubrey Huff, who was extremely likely to regress, blocking an excellent prospect like Brandon Belt.

3 years 8 months ago

if dont they get traded too lmafo

3 years 8 months ago

I agree with you 10000%, word for word.  I had a little ray of hope that it would be David Wright, but then i realized that it was Brian Sabean.  I think Torres had more upside than Pagan.  It should have been Pagan for Torres straight-up.

3 years 8 months ago

look at the numbers again