Giants, Lincecum Far Apart In Extension Talks

A sizable gap still exists between the Giants and arbitration eligible right-hander Tim Lincecum as the sides explore a possible extension, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports. Negotiations have taken place this winter, but the sides appear to remain a couple of years and tens of millions of dollars apart.

The Giants are believed to have offered Lincecum four years and $80MM or so this past summer and appear to have enhanced the proposal in the past few weeks. Lincecum is “thought to be seeking an eight-year deal,” but Heyman hears that the sides are also presently considering one and two-year options.

Lincecum projects to earn a 2012 salary of $19.2MM through arbitration. The Giants control his rights through 2013, when his salary could approach or exceed $25MM through arbitration. The Giants’ ultimate goal has been to buy out some of Lincecum’s free agent years, according to Heyman.

Lincecum, 27, has a 2.98 ERA with 9.9 K/9, 3.3 BB/9 and a 47.1% ground ball rate in 1028 career innings. The Beverly Hills Sports Council client has two Cy Young Awards and four All-Star Game selections to his name. Only four pitchers — Roy Halladay, C.C. Sabathia, Justin Verlander and Dan Haren — have produced more wins above replacement since 2007, Lincecum's rookie season.


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77 Comments on "Giants, Lincecum Far Apart In Extension Talks"


rikersbeard
3 years 8 months ago

Jays, trade and extend.

Coollet
3 years 8 months ago

Could it be that easy? Please let it be…

BVHjays
3 years 8 months ago

Not happening.

3 years 8 months ago

Says “BringVottoHome”.

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

agreed…..he will have to find a new dealer after he leaves……that, is a pain

3 years 8 months ago

He’d look great in a Dodger uniform. 

Coollet
3 years 8 months ago

Would look better in the Jays’ new (old) uniform.

3 years 8 months ago

OMG i think every fr3akin’ post on this site some Jays fans suggest their team gets that player the post is about…every…dam…post…

…then they get no one.

 (plays small violin)

Coollet
3 years 8 months ago

meh, you seem more upset than most Jays fans.

BVHjays
3 years 8 months ago

Not happening.

bayareabeast
3 years 8 months ago

and kershaw would look great in a giants uni…get out of here man

3 years 8 months ago

what! the site deletes my gtfo post to a gd DODGER trying to put my ace in his ugly blue…wth

3 years 8 months ago

Now this is the type of guy you dump the system for.  But, I have a feeling they will work it out unfortunately :(.

3 years 8 months ago

he would look good in a Ranger uniform

Coollet
3 years 8 months ago

Would look better in the Jays’ new (old) uniform

BVHjays
3 years 8 months ago

Not happening.

chico65
3 years 8 months ago

You and coollet some sort of tag team?

chico65
3 years 8 months ago

That’s a lot of chiba

Coollet
3 years 8 months ago

Lots of chiba for sale in Canada…

3 years 8 months ago

not as good as whats in Northern California

Coollet
3 years 8 months ago

it grows like a weed up here, its everywhere

3 years 8 months ago

he would look the best in a angels uniform.

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

I’m assuming you’re just talking fashion wise

northsfbay
3 years 8 months ago

They never start with thier best offer. The Giants upped thier offer. It looks like they can get something done. 8 years is 2 years arbitration, 6 years free agency. He could easily get that. #1 sign Lincecum to extension. #2 sign Cain to extension.

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

if they re-up both i will throw my computer out of the window…i would be very surprised if they re-upped both….

northsfbay
3 years 8 months ago

Get ready to throw your conputer out the window. The Giants already said they will make big offers to both of them.

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

i don’t care what they said….believe it when i see it…i can see them getting cain done but timmy, think he may want to test a little FA action

3 years 8 months ago

you wish bro.

Just because our two guys are the envy of baseball doesn’t mean other teams are entitled to them. The current team has been built around them, and they already won a WS prematurely with a bunch of washed up vets. Wait until 2013 when the entire core is in its prime. Oh it gonna be just plain devastating for non-Giants fans to watch. 

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

sorry bro, looking at the giants recent history i just dont see it….

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

if they do that{ha ha} you better hope they hit .300 too…after those two point being they wont have nothing as far as offense is concerned and they don’t have offense now….whats gonna change bro???

jstthking
3 years 8 months ago

we didn’t learn anything from zito…no more than4 yrs.

jwsox
3 years 8 months ago

I dont get this. The kid has been one of the best right handers in all of baseball…(in my opinion you take verlander, halladay, felix, tim they are all interchangeable as true Aces, cant go wrong either way) you lock him up. Because you know after 2013 the yankees and bosox will be gunning hard for him in the range of CC money maybe more. He is the face of the franchise and young. Most pitchers have 2 maybe 3 years of service time under their belt at the age of 27 let alone 4 and back to back Cy Youngs(both years there was no question that he should have won them) Give him his 8 year deal he will be 35 when the contract is done. That hardly super old. Considering he already has great control and movement on his pitches he could easily still dominate when he loses his velocity. 6 years 140 mill with two options years(eithe option, club, player, vesting, mutual does not matter) valed at 25 a piece bringing the total to 8 yrs 190 mill…give him a partial no trade done and done..he is the exact type of pitcher you build around not the kind you let walk for a draft pick or a slew of prospects. That being said he is a farm dumper type of pitcher as well…Extend him, extend Bummy try to extend Cain if you cant you trade cain because he would bring a darn good haul as well..

jwsox
3 years 8 months ago

I dont think that trade was ever even a possibility if i remember correctly …I would have probably been rios +pitching prospects but still if i remember correct those talks never went anywhere

Me4mvp
3 years 8 months ago

Hanley and Volstad for Lincecum straight up

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start_wearing_purple
3 years 8 months ago

Sabean would laugh hysterically before hanging up.

Mario Saavedra
3 years 8 months ago

Not really, Lince is not going to take any discounts and has 2 years of control at an expensive rate, not the best trade chip IMO.

rikersbeard
3 years 8 months ago

pretty sure the giants could still get way more value in terms of blue-chip prospects. 

rainyperez
3 years 8 months ago

I think we should ask mvp if he’d like to give us Stanton too. Then I would consider that trade. 

3 years 8 months ago

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3 years 8 months ago

Forget this Disqus garbage….i hit reply and it puts my comments at the bottom. UGGGGG

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

I wonder if Sabean’s deal with Zito will make him less likely to lock up Lincecum for a deal > 6 years.  In fairness to Lincecum, Zito’s resume was not even in the same universe that Lincecum is in when he signed the deal.

An 8 yr deal would put him at 35 at the end of the contract, so it’s realistic to think he’ll still be a very productive pitcher.

A compromise for both parties might be a deal for 6 years/135-140m range (club option for 7th year w/$10m buy out).

It’s hard to conceive guaranteeing a pitcher two years away from FA over $150m, but there’s a first time for everything

3 years 8 months ago

mcgowan forced sabeans hand on the zito deal, i just want to get this stright because about 99% of sabes bashing starts with “Zito and Rowand”

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

Fair point. However, would McGowan now be averse to giving such a contract to a pitcher again?

3 years 8 months ago

McGowans not around any more, but the m.o. of the FO is “extend pitching extend pitching extend (sign an aging ss) extend” so no i dont think they would be adverse to signing tim to 6-8 years, realistically, but im sure they’re scared to have to answer to another zito contract (as hard as it is for me to ever imagine looking at tim in the same light as z, EVER) 22mil a year is steep but the guy fills seats…. and id rather it be the seats at 24 willie mays plaza than at Rogers Centre

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

I should’ve realized that about McGowan, thanks for pointing that out.
And totally agree on your point about the Rogers Centre.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 8 months ago

I see no reason why he would take less than Lee, CC or Santana unless he just really wanted to be extra generous towards the Giants.

cubsfan97
3 years 8 months ago

There were big warning signs before the contract though that Zito would blow up.  He had declined almost every year since his Cy Young and if I remember right, he was losing velocity.  I dont think many were surprised that it turned out like it did.

northsfbay
3 years 8 months ago

The Giants already said that they would try to sign Lincecum and Cain to extensions. Lincecum and Cain have said that they like playing for the
Giants. A big contract is a gamble, especially for a pitcher. J Bay, C Crawford, Dunn, etc.

hardball37
3 years 8 months ago

Apparently people have short memories. Does anyone remember the Barry Zito deal? That’s exactly why you don’t give pitchers long term deals. Anything can happen. Injuries. Ineffectiveness. Loss of fastball velocity which tim has already had. I’m not saying I wouldn’t extend him but I would do it no earlier than the beginning of next season. Because that is the latest possible time they can do it before he hits free agency.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 8 months ago

If you wait until the year before FA then why wouldn’t Lince just test the market? 

hardball37
3 years 8 months ago

That is a risk the Giants would have to take. Either way the Giants would be taken a risk. It’d be a risk to sign him for 8 years and like you said they would risk Lincecum testing the market in Free agency. Judging by your username, you are a Yankees fan giving you that spending mentality and an endless money pit. The Giants do not have the financial flexibility therefore they have to be extremely careful especially since their last BIG signing was for a pitcher for 7 years and he was a bust. Lincecum’s track record was way better than Zito’s but you just never know with pitchers.

DT Flush234
3 years 8 months ago

The Red Sox have acquired Andrew Bailey from Oakland… Details to come.

bayareabeast
3 years 8 months ago

there is a different post for that..go comment there

Wilsonl
3 years 8 months ago

Who cares?

ZAK
ZAK
3 years 8 months ago

The chances of Lincecum going to an E. Coast team are as remote as the chances of him succeeding there. He’s as much a left coast creature of habit as can be- he doesn’t do heat well, he hates a lot of media attention. The one place that could be attractive to him is his hometown, Seattle. If they actually put a decent team together and offered him the moon he would likely take it. SF is the right climate for him though and he unquestionably loves pitching there. My belief is the Giants will go all out for Cain and see if they have enough left for Lincecum. 

3 years 8 months ago

im a angel fan but hope he stays  with the giants so he can kick the doyers butts in 2012 and beyond

3 years 8 months ago

im a angel fan but hope he stays  with the giants so he can kick the doyers butts in 2012 and beyond

bigpat
3 years 8 months ago

I’m sure I’ll get bashed for this, but from an outsiders view, it looks like Lincecum wants to play somewhere else. He really wants to get paid a huge deal, and I can see him wanting to go somewhere where he’ll get more run support and even more national attention. Somewhere like NY or Boston unfortunately.

It’s gonna be VERY hard for the Giants to keep all these quality pitchers around and still field an average offense. It worked one year when they won the WS but their pitchers were a lot cheaper then.

hardball37
3 years 8 months ago

I disagree to an extent. I think more so Tim Lincecum knows he can get what he wants which is at least a 6 or 7 year deal worth 20million+ per year. Every good player deserves their pay day. I’m sure he wants more offense but if he goes to hitter friendly parks, his stats will significantly drop since he currently pitches at AT&T park. But all in all he wants to get paid and I guess there is nothing wrong with that.

3 years 8 months ago

Felix also has more war from 2007

rainyperez
3 years 8 months ago

But 1 less ring and no postseason stats.

Drew Tweedie
3 years 8 months ago

..which has nothing to do with the original stat posted.

ramjamrock
3 years 8 months ago

You mean 2007, Hernandez’s second full season (third overall)? 2007 Was Lincecum’s first season up, not even a full season. The difference between them that season was 1.3 WAR.

The difference between them since: 0.0 WAR.