Nationals Pushing Hard For Gio Gonzalez

4:48pm: The Nationals are believed to be willing to include multiple top prospects for Gonzalez, according to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. Bryce Harper and Stephen Strasburg are obviously off-limits, but prospects such as Brad Peacock, Derek Norris, Destin Hood, Eury Perez and A.J. Cole could be available. 

WEDNESDAY, 11:57am: Trying to trade for Gonzalez is the Nationals' top priority, says MLB.com's Bill Ladson. According to Ladson, Brad Peacock and Derek Norris are two of the players the Athletics are looking at in a possible four-for-one deal. Nothing is imminent yet, as the Blue Jays and Red Sox are also "heavily in the mix."

MONDAY, 7:22pm: The Nationals are pushing hard for Gio Gonzalez, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. The A's and Nationals are discussing a possible four-for-one deal involving the left-hander. The Marlins, Red Sox and Rangers are also showing strong interest in Gonzalez, according to Rosenthal.

The Nationals, who have Stephen Strasburg, Jordan Zimmermann, John Lannan and Chien-Ming Wang in their projected 2012 rotation, are poised to contend before long. The addition of Gonzalez would give manager Davey Johnson someone who has reached the 200 inning plateau in each of the past two season without posting an ERA over 3.23 in that time. However, obtaining him from the A's won't be easy. Gonzalez has many suitors and Oakland's asking price remains high.

MLBTR projects a $4.2MM salary for Gonzalez in 2012, the first of his four seasons as an arbitration eligible player. While most teams –the Nationals included — can stomach a $4.2MM salary for an established, young left-handed starter, the penny-pinching A's won't necessarily be able to afford Gonzalez through 2015 unless they resolve their stadium situation soon.


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268 Comments on "Nationals Pushing Hard For Gio Gonzalez"


3 years 8 months ago

I have seen both play and i did see Milone pitch against my Mets twice.He is at best a number 5 starter and the Athletics want players with high upside like Peacock and Cole.Lombardozzi is a 2B and the Athletics are set at that position.The person who says Gonzalez would be a number three starter outside of Oakland knows very little about baseball.Gio would be the ace of the Nats staff from day when if they get him

jdr70
3 years 8 months ago

I’d say look at his stats outside of Oakland.  His FIP, xFIP and a 4.25 RA outside of Oakland.  Walk rate and command and control issues.  To say he’d be in front of Zimmermann & Strasburg is silly.  I’d say you don’t know stats.  

MB923
3 years 8 months ago

“Gio would be the ace of the Nats staff from day when if they get him”

Replace Nats with Mets, and your point would be valid. Otherwise, that’s just laughable.

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

lol strasburg?

FacelessGeneralManager
3 years 8 months ago

We all know the Nats will not move Strasburg, Espinosa or Harper. The problem is at least one of those guys must be included
I get that from this.

3 years 8 months ago

yep especially if they demanded Stanton from Miami

FacelessGeneralManager
3 years 8 months ago

And miami said no right? So that means the A’s probably won’t get a Stanton like player from the trade.

nats2012
3 years 8 months ago

You can have Brown, we will keep our players, let me know how that turns out.

Stoibs
3 years 8 months ago

I’m not even an A’s fan. Why are you getting pissy about this? I’m just saying it would be a bad trade for Oakland without a centerpiece player. They are better off going 1 for 1 like the Jays did with Marcum and Lawrie than what people are proposing here. 

FacelessGeneralManager
3 years 8 months ago

I read the whole comment to man.

3 years 8 months ago

I agree with your analysis, but Dom Brown is literally the only player in the Phillies org the A’s might want. You’d have to get a 3rd team involved. Plus Brown’s value isn’t that high because if it was, why don’t the Phils just name him their everyday RF?

nats2012
3 years 8 months ago

Exactly.

Stoibs
3 years 8 months ago

Agreed. There are questions about Brown, but there are questions about every player. It will be tough for the Phils to come up with a package that fills all the needs for the A’s. I just think Brown, Biddle, Aumont and another piece would be very interesting for the A’s. Still maybe a little light, but better than some of the junk being floated around here. 

3 years 8 months ago

People are acting like Beane is trying to move Gonzalez, he isn’t. He merely said he wanted to hear offers. He can keep him, watch him have another all-star and breakout to the next level type season, and do this again this time next year with better offers.

padresfuture
3 years 8 months ago

Thats what the Padres said about Latos. Byrnes was just answering the phones, then after the trade we find out he basically had created a bidding war for Latos over the last several weeks. The Latos haul should help the A’s.

Rangersfan32
3 years 8 months ago

Maybe he’ll hit a whole new level on walks too! Maybe 100 this year. Is there a record for most walks in a season that this guy wants to break? Can’t believe teams aren’t scrambling to give up top talent for a guy who’s going for such a record.

3 years 8 months ago

that other piece may have to be Trever May

nats2012
3 years 8 months ago

Who Buerhle, lol. You can have him at 4/$58 mil.

Stoibs
3 years 8 months ago

Rendon can’t be traded yet. Zimmerman and Zimmermann are not going anywhere. Strasburg, Ramos, Harper will most certainly not be traded. You’re using Peacock, Detwiller, Bernadina, and Lombarrdozzi as examples? Bernadina? Is this for real? Naming every player in an organization doesn’t make any sense. I can just start naming players on the Phillies also. The point is which players are these organizations willing to move, what are the needs of the A’s and who will offer the better package. Gosh! I also never said they were a better fit with younger players!!!!! I said they have a centerpiece they are willing to offer! ”
The Phillies will at least let Brown go.” The Nats do not have a player that can headline this package that they will be willing to trade. Read what I said!

nats2012
3 years 8 months ago

Not to say the Phils didnt have good minor league players but they used them to get alot of their players they have now. And Brown is looked at now as a project.

SarumanTheChef
3 years 8 months ago

Rendon could be done as a player to be named later, and he seems like he’d be the prime target—A’s want guys a little farther out (so they’re under control in the stadium years), and really want a future 3B. 

Stoibs
3 years 8 months ago

This could be possible. It would be hard to resist a package built around Rendon. 

nats2012
3 years 8 months ago

Yeah Stoibs, you can always put PTNL and Rendon, Goodwin, Meyer, or Purke can be included.

3 years 8 months ago

Rendon, peacock and goodwin are 3 of the 4 the A’s must have in the deal.  The 4th player is the question.  The A’s need a 3b prospect and will not trade Gio without getting one. n

jdr70
3 years 8 months ago

Any player signed in August at the deadline can’t be traded as a PTBNL until six months from the deadline IIRC.  Rendon, Purke, Goodwin or Meyer couldn’t be included in a trade until February. 

Stoibs
3 years 8 months ago

That’s what I was kind of getting at by saying they are not available. If this can happen in February, then all the better. 

elbeisbol
3 years 8 months ago

Pass. 

Stoibs
3 years 8 months ago

I agree. This makes a lot more sense. If I was Oakland I would find this group of players much more appealing than what others were offering before. I just question whether the Nationals are willing to give up some of these guys. If they are, then this becomes a whole different conversation. 

padresfuture
3 years 8 months ago

And if I was Oakland I would be a city.

Snoochies8
3 years 8 months ago

that means a trade wouldn’t be completed until Feb. 15, since a player can’t be traded until a year after he’s signed

brett
3 years 8 months ago

I would imagine that Detweiler is part of the deal. Ill guess Detweiler, Cole, Norris and Moore . Hopefully we wont have to give up both Detwieler and Peacock but we may have to. 

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

Yeah, we’reused to him. We kinda think of him as our little brother that has no clue what he is talking about

brett
3 years 8 months ago

That would tell me you are not familiar with the Nationals farm system. Are farm system is full of impact talent. Read any evaluation from BA OR BP and it speaks glowingly, 

Stoibs
3 years 8 months ago

I am familiar with the Nationals system. There are several very good prospects. I am not bashing the system. I am stating that for a trade like this you need to have a top 50 guy anchoring it. That would be someone like Rendon or Harper. Rendon could be a player to be named later. It has to be one of those guys to start the package or the deal would be bad for the A’s.

brett
3 years 8 months ago

It wouldnt be a complete shock to see Rendon as the centerpiece. However, I consider Peacock as an impact type of guy though. 

3 years 8 months ago

They do have impact talent just not the talent the As are looking for, they want a Pence or Latos type deal.They want blue chips , remeber Beane demanded Stanton from the Marlins so they are definitley demandin one of the big guys from the Nats and maybe Harper

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

Purke can be player to be named later

Snoochies8
3 years 8 months ago

not until february, since he signed in august

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

Ah touche man

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

Ryan Zimmerman (as long as he is here) will always be the nearest and dearest to our hearts, especially being a hometown boy.

letsgogiants
3 years 8 months ago

Wow, you are right. My bad, I’ve just been buying into all of the media speculation lately about Harper and Strasberg and how they were considered the cornerstones of the franchise. I’m surprised Zimmerman has been overlooked in this sense. I think its because both Strasberg and Harper’s potential are through the roof and that they are expected to become something that has not been seen in baseball in a long time. Though unlike those two, Zimmerman has been able to actually produce in the majors on a consistent basis. If Zimmerman becomes healthy again, its going to be tough to not consider him the true face of the franchise. 

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

Haha its okay you’re ceretainly not the only one.  Zimmerman has been here through all the hard times.  I agree that nationally Strasburg/Harper might be considered the face of the franchise, and maybe that eventually happens.  But I think among nats fans Zimmerman will always be viewed as it as long as he is here and healthy, considering he was the only bright spot for about 5 years there haha.

FamousGrouse
3 years 8 months ago

Oliver Perez was a guy that would go out and have 2 bad seasons and then a really good season in a contract year. Gonzalez has been consistent in his 2 full-time seasons.

JoeyO
3 years 8 months ago

How about Gonzalez For Rendon 3b (player to be named later),Peacock P, and Norris C. The A’s are looking to get a 3b and Sp.

Stoibs
3 years 8 months ago

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nats2012
3 years 8 months ago

I just hope we dont do anything crazy because we know Phillies are top dogs right now and its hard to imagine 1 deal pushing us over the top but we finally have the right young players on the field and the right ones coming in the system to compete year after year when everything comes together.

3 years 8 months ago

But that’s the idea; someone with his terrific strikeout rates doesn’t need to have pinpoint control to be successful.

If he can even begin to approach a BB/9 of 3.5, he’ll probably hover around being a 4-5 WAR pitcher, which is certainly nothing to scoff at given his age and price.

Lester, Jimenez, Romero, Dempster, etc. have all been successful with higher-ish walk rates.  I’m not super high on Gonzalez, but I can certainly see the appeal if you think there’s reason that his walk rate will continue to improve.

3 years 8 months ago

He should be really good in spite of the walks, but the walks do prevent him from being an ace-tier pitcher and he shouldn’t get an ace type return if he’s traded.

I’m basically trying to say he’s good, but he’s not THAT (ace) good.

TheGrtBambino
3 years 8 months ago

He is still very young and has not hit his ceiling.  The guys you stated may have a higher WAR but they also did not even close to any of the other stats that Gio put up.  Oswalt could pitched 40 less innings and 10 less games with 100 less strike outs than Gio all the while putting up a higher ERA.  Danks pitched 30 less innings and had a 4.00+ ERA.  He also could not win a game to save his life.  Jackson is the closest in comparison to Gio in terms of innings pitched but he still had 50 less strike outs and a high WHIP.  I understand the power of the WAR stat but I really think it is more applicable to hitters and their prediction.  Pitching is a whole new monster because you have to add in consistency and durability and Gio exercises those traits fairly well.  Just watching him pitch in comparison to those guys, I have watch the guys you stated multiple time, it is evident that those guys are just playing chips in the big picture of their team.  Gio is a main guy for the A’s and that is why he getting so much attention.  Imagine an Oswalt in the 2004-2007, pre-injuries and trade to phils, and thats what you get in Gio, a guy that will throw 200+ innings keep the ERA around 3 and strike out 160+ a year.  Study that trade and tell me it doesn’t make sense, there is no way he is overprojected

Daniel Lee
3 years 8 months ago

ill agree that gio was better last year than guys like danks and jackson. but you def cant compare gio to oswalt. oswalt was one of the best and most consistent pitchers in baseball for nearly a decade. no way you can compare gio to oswalt when he has done it for a grand total of 2 years. he’s a nice pitcher but his stats are also skewed because he pitches in oakland and in the al west where only the rangers have an offense. sure he is an ace on that team in that ballpark and in that division but hes not an ace on a winning team. but billy beane is asking to be paid like he is a top tier pitcher and i dont blame him. hes just doing his job. but any team that gives into that would be extremely dumb.

TheGrtBambino
3 years 8 months ago

BB has drafted two closers in the last 6 years, both of which came at a bargain, and ROY, and (pending bailey trade) could net a good comeback for the A’s.  BB has a knack for closers in the draft and signing unwanted closers so i doubt he receives a closer type in a trade involving a power player.  plus De Los Santos is next in line.