Record Filing Numbers For Lincecum, Giants

Tim Lincecum filed for a $21.5MM salary through arbitration and the Giants countered at $17MM, Jon Heyman of CBS Sports tweets. Both figures set new records for players with less than six years of service time. Derek Jeter ($18.5MM) and the Yankees ($14.25MM) had established the previous marks more than a decade ago, in 2001.

Roger Clemens once filed for a $22MM salary via arbitration, but it was after he had become eligible for free agency.


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61 Comments on "Record Filing Numbers For Lincecum, Giants"


BrickTops
3 years 6 months ago

It still baffles me that Lincecum wasn’t signed 3 years ago to a 3000 year contract extension lol

These arbitration hearings can’t bode well for rapport between the 2 sides

bonds2425
3 years 6 months ago

It’s what lincecum has wanted so far. He wants to go year to year. Each side has to understand that this is the process. No hard feeling, just business

Will
3 years 6 months ago

Well, he also wants a long term contract but the Giants are too cheap to lock him up.

bonds2425
3 years 6 months ago

Wow! This is going to be interesting

joeybw
3 years 6 months ago

Rays were deciding between Lincecum and Longoria back in the draft. We know who they chose, I look at this numbers and then I realize that Evan is getting a giant raise all the way to 4.5 million this year and I just love Friedman.

3 years 6 months ago

Umm, Lincecum has 2 Cy Youngs and a World Series ring. Pretty sure every team in the history of the universe would trade $15M in player payroll for that any day of the week.

3 years 6 months ago

Who would you rather have?  First 8 years of Lincecum for 110m (which he seems to make) VS. first 8 years of Longoria for 44m. Lincecum had 26.4 WAR so far for last 5 seasons while Longoria had 25.9 WAR for last 4 seasons.

joeybw
3 years 6 months ago

Not to mention, I remember it being Cain, Bumgarner, Renteria and Ross all being the reasons they won it all. Lincecum was great, he’s always great but he didn’t win that WS for them.

MB923
3 years 6 months ago

Did you miss the decisive game when he beat Cliff Lee?

That’s like saying Chris Carpenter did not win it for the Cardinals last year.

CaseyBlakeDeWitt
3 years 6 months ago

Starters definitely don’t win the playoffs. Unless they start every game the team wins, they don’t win the playoffs. I think certain relievers might actually play bigger roles in the playoffs.

Also, I hate Chris Carpenter (sorry, I had to put that in).

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
3 years 6 months ago

I thought it was David Freese who won it for the Cards

MB923
3 years 6 months ago

I suppose he had a big part in it too

bayareabeast
3 years 6 months ago

i laughed when i read this

3 years 6 months ago

It was a team effort, but Lincecum won game 1 and game 5 of the world series, both against Cliff Lee. He also won game 1 of the NLDS, and game 1 of the NLCS against Halladay. They also wouldn’t have been anywhere close to making the playoffs in the first place without Lincecum. 

3 years 6 months ago

It was a team effort, but Lincecum won game 1 and game 5 of the world series, both against Cliff Lee. He also won game 1 of the NLDS, and game 1 of the NLCS against Halladay. They also wouldn’t have been anywhere close to making the playoffs in the first place without Lincecum. 

candlestick22
3 years 6 months ago

Oh my

3 years 6 months ago

Your crazy!! Timmy Won Game 5, and he ALSO had 14k’s against the Braves in the Game 1 NLDS, he Also Outpitched Roy Holladay, and CLIFF LEE, so how DARE YOU SAY THAT

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
3 years 6 months ago

I like how Cliff Lee is in all caps but Halladay isn’t

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
3 years 6 months ago

I like how Cliff Lee is in all caps but Halladay isn’t

letsgogiants
3 years 6 months ago

NLDS:

Game 1: 9.0 IP, O ER, 2 H, 1 BB, 14 SO, W

NLCS:

Game 1: 7 IP, 3 ER, 6 H, 3 BB, 8 SO, W
Game 5: 7 IP, 2 ER, 4 H, 1 BB, 7 SO, L

World Series:

Game 1: 5.2 IP, 4 ER, 8 H, 2 BB, 3 SO, W
Game 5: 8 IP, 1 ER, 3 H, 2 BB, 10 SO, W

Total Postseason Stats:
4-1, 2.43 ERA, 43 SO, .919 WHIP

Outside of a rough Game 1 start in the World Series (even though he did win), Lincecum threw very well and was just one of the many key contributors along with Cain, Renteria, Uribe, Wilson, Posey, and others in helping get a WS Ring. If anything, Lincecum gave momentum for the Giants because of his terrific starts against the likes of Derek Lowe (while he was still good), Halladay, and Lee, with the latter two being nearly untouchable in the postseason. The Giants needed their starting pitching more than ever if they had wanted to win, and Lincecum, Cain, and Bumgarner had all served just that in providing one quality start after another.

joeybw
3 years 6 months ago

Not to mention, I remember it being Cain, Bumgarner, Renteria and Ross all being the reasons they won it all. Lincecum was great, he’s always great but he didn’t win that WS for them.

3 years 6 months ago

But the Giants have Sandoval. Pablo has put up two .900+ OPS seasons (Longoria has yet to produce 1) and in 2011, the Panda was a better defender, better offensively and was paid less, with a smaller contract going forward.

Also, Pablo and Timmy both have these things they wear on their fingers…oh yeah, World Series rings.

Tony DiQuattro
3 years 6 months ago

We’re gonna get screwed even worse next year if we keep him… I don’t understand how he got 9 million for the first year of arb as a super two expecting to get a 50% bump each year, isn’t non free agent arbitration supposed to keep teams competitive?

joeybw
3 years 6 months ago

And another comment that makes me love Friedman, Price who is always more valuable being a lefty (yes I realize he didn’t win the Cy Young) but he came very close in 2010 and he only made 4.35 million in his first year of Super 2.

leberquesgue
3 years 6 months ago

This Friedman sounds like quite the catch! It’s great to see that Tampa has irrational, over-excited fans too, especially ones not wielding cowbells… You don’t have a cowbell, do you?

Brian
3 years 6 months ago

He got so much because he won 2 Cy Youngs before his first year of arbitration. Usually arbitration works based on how much players with similar careers up to that point made previously. In Lincecum’s case, no one has started their career like that. So naturally he’s going to get record setting money through arbitration.

Jason_F
3 years 6 months ago

First, I’ve never heard the 50% raise arb model before.  Please provide a link if this is something you’ve read about.  Second, they settled for 2/$23MM rather than go through arb process for the first time as a super two.  Third, there is no telling how his arbitration years were going to go, seeing as there arguably hasn’t been another pitcher that has been this good, this early in his career.

joeybw
3 years 6 months ago

This isn’t his last year either. I will make early predictions of next year Lincecum asking for 28 million and the Giants offering 23.5 million.

Brian
3 years 6 months ago

My guess is they’ll agree to a 2 year, $40 million contract before his case comes up this year, and from there the Giants will determine how many more years they’ll want to add to it before he hits free agency.

3 years 6 months ago

Why would Lincecum do that?  He’s going to make $20MM this year for sure (or nearly $20MM) and likely a substantial raise on that next year.

joeybw
3 years 6 months ago

This isn’t his last year either. I will make early predictions of next year Lincecum asking for 28 million and the Giants offering 23.5 million.

FS54
3 years 6 months ago

What’s he gonna demand as a FA?

Bye Bye Baby Bonanza
3 years 6 months ago

Guessing they agree on two years. $17MM for 2012, $21.5MM for 2013.

bobulated
3 years 6 months ago

The Giants would be lucky to get that deal.

bobulated
3 years 6 months ago

The Giants need to pay Mitch Kramer; I think he took it easy on the Giants actually and could have asked for more in line with what Lee and Sabathia are making.

CutTheString
3 years 6 months ago

Love it.

With all that extra cash in his pocket there’s no way he’ll hear “you’d be a lot cooler if you did” ever again. And he’ll be able to pick up that sixer without having to worry about giving Spivey change.

CutTheString
3 years 6 months ago

Love it.

With all that extra cash in his pocket there’s no way he’ll hear “you’d be a lot cooler if you did” ever again. And he’ll be able to pick up that sixer without having to worry about giving Spivey change.

3 years 6 months ago

As a Giants fan since 1954 what i would like to see is a three-year deal for $75M. Timmy, for one thing, has been reported as being good for a 3 spot.  Average of $25M/ would set a new benchmark.  Team benefits two ways:  Lincecum would be theirs for a year into potential free-agency.  He would then be 30.  Guaranteed Ace with a pair of Cys until 2015.
  If Lincecum’s small frame cannot go the long haul, it would only be for three.  Should the scale be 20-25-30 even the Evil Empire and the Redsux would be looking at a mighty tall mountain should Timmy, say, win his third Cy over the next 3. 
 Should Cain go for five and with Bumgarner theirs for a bunch ,the Giants could be looking at more Parades down Market Street, seeing as pitching is the name of the game.

3 years 6 months ago

Lincecum wants either year by year or 8 years contract which will guarantee him the rest of life.  It would be nice to give a deal like 8/160 to keep franchise player.

3 years 6 months ago

Just give him more money than Zito

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
3 years 6 months ago

He’s been hanging around Carlos Beltran too much. The selfishness rubbed off on him.

bobulated
3 years 6 months ago

Yeah, it sucks when a guy who has won multiple Cy’s, a ring and is on the fast track for the HOF would want to be paid like pitchers he’s outproducing; what a colossal, selfish jerk.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
3 years 6 months ago

Hahahaha I love it when people don’t understand sarcasm

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
3 years 6 months ago

He’s been hanging around Carlos Beltran too much. The selfishness rubbed off on him.

sf55forlife
3 years 6 months ago

I would just give him the 8 year deal as long as, in exchange for security, the Giants would get Lincecum at a semi reduced price.

WillieMaysField
3 years 6 months ago

I’m in this line.  8 yrs 176M.  I’d rather see a 6 yr 132M deal with a team option though.

Juanhunglo
3 years 6 months ago

24 years 784 million!!

Juanhunglo
3 years 6 months ago

24 years 784 million!!!

vtadave
3 years 6 months ago

Aren’t all pitchers an injury away from being useless?

Jason_F
3 years 6 months ago

You do realize that literally every single player in the majors is “an injury away from being useless,” right?

bonds2425
3 years 6 months ago

your comment is useless. everyone is an injury away from ending their career. it could happen to him, it could not.

Snoochies8
3 years 6 months ago

Just…just no…

Lunchbox45
3 years 6 months ago

yah but those 7 prospects are all an injury away from being useless

Jason_F
3 years 6 months ago

Well, then you must factor in the likelihood of those 7 prospects actually even making it to the majors.  Then, consider the likelihood of those major leaguers even reaching their ceiling, because, you know, they are also and injury away from being useless.  We can continue on this trail of logic, but, I promise you, the answer for a contending team is to always keep the young, bona fide ace on your roster.  

Jason_F
3 years 6 months ago

Well, then you must factor in the likelihood of those 7 prospects actually even making it to the majors.  Then, consider the likelihood of those major leaguers even reaching their ceiling, because, you know, they are also and injury away from being useless.  We can continue on this trail of logic, but, I promise you, the answer for a contending team is to always keep the young, bona fide ace on your roster.  

Snoochies8
3 years 6 months ago

win

FS54
3 years 6 months ago

chances of one injury against seven injuries?

strikethree
3 years 6 months ago

Chance of any of those prospects matching Lincecum’s totals? (Combined, even?)

Lunchbox45
3 years 6 months ago

this.

FS54
3 years 6 months ago

matching 23.2 WAR by 7 prospects in same number of years?
Anyways, my first post was a joke.

strikethree
3 years 6 months ago

Yep, not all of those guys would even reach the majors. (especially figuring they’re coming from one team and most teams don’t have 7 elite prospects) Plus, WAR is worth more if it’s all coming from one player.

Anyway, I knew it was a joke. Which is why I responded with another.