Reds To Sign Ryan Madson

If any doubt remained about the Reds' intentions for the 2012 season, it has now disappeared — they're going for it. GM Walt Jocketty continued adding to his new-look pitching staff by officially agreeing to terms with Ryan Madson on a one-year, $8.5MM deal. Scott Boras represents the right-hander, who will become the closer in Cincinnati's bullpen.

The contract includes incentives and a 2013 mutual option. Madson will earn $6MM in 2012 and the deal includes an $11MM option with a $2.5MM buyout for 2013.

Ryan Madson - Phillies

Madson posted a 2.37 ERA with 9.2 K/9, 2.4 BB/9 and a 48.8% ground ball rate in 60 2/3 innings for the Phillies in 2011. The 31-year-old saved 32 games in his first full season as a closer. 

The Reds don't have to surrender a draft pick to sign Madson, but the Phillies will obtain two picks this June because they offered arbitration after the season. One selection will come before the Reds' second round pick and the other will come in the supplementary first round.

Madson could cash in next offseason if he repeats his 2011 performance in Cincinnati. He appeared to be close to signing a $44MM contract with the Phillies early in the offseason, but talks fell through and Jonathan Papelbon signed in Philadelphia, leaving Madson in a market that has slowed down for relievers.

Francisco Cordero had been talking with the Reds throughout the offseason, but it seems unlikely that he'll return to Cincinnati at this point.

Right-handers Nick Masset, Logan Ondrusek, Jose Arredondo, Sam LeCure and Andrew Brackman figure to join Madson in the Reds' bullpen mix in 2012. The Reds also have an impressive trio of left-handers: Sean Marshall, Bill Bray and Aroldis Chapman

Jocketty has now addressed most of his offseason needs. He can consider an extension for Brandon Phillips and resolving arbitration cases for Masset and Arredondo.

Earlier in the month 17.7% of 13,700 MLBTR readers said they expect Madson to sign with the Reds. He ranked 14th on MLBTR's list of top free agents entering the offseason.

Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com first reported the move. ESPN's Jerry Crasnick added the financial terms and John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer, MLB.com's Mark Sheldon and ESPN's Jayson Stark added detail. Photo courtesy Icon SMI.


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313 Comments on "Reds To Sign Ryan Madson"


Josh Gedert
3 years 7 months ago

Reds sure are stacking up on pitching this offseason.

3 years 7 months ago

I have a feeling Latos will be crushed in that park, he’s a product of PETCO, and wasn’t even impressive last year. Marshall and Madson are both good adds. Of course it depends on what the Reds signed Madson for (I’m guessing a 3/30).

3 years 7 months ago

In what way is Latos a product of PETCO?

3 years 7 months ago

He’s alright at home and terrible on the road. His entire career. Latos is a solid 3 starter on a competing NL team. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him post an ERA of 4 this year.

Lunchbox45
3 years 7 months ago

 yah you might want to look at his splits before you talk and lose all credibility.

AkuCin48
3 years 7 months ago

i didnt even scroll down to the other messages bc i was to busy replyin to Thomas Cassidy, im happy at least someone else looked at his splits b4 they commented

JerseyJohn32190
3 years 7 months ago

3.11 ERA at home and 3.57 ERA on the road in his career.  Just because you seem too lazy to look them up yourself.

3 years 7 months ago

I did, but I posted the link and it said I needed to wait for a moderator, I didn’t feel like posting again.

That’s about half of a run better at home. He is a product of PETCO.

JerseyJohn32190
3 years 7 months ago

He does pitch better at Petco, but how is a 23 year old putting up a 3.57 ERA in 41 road starts in his career “terrible”?  That’s pretty good.

3 years 7 months ago

It’s going to be terrible when he pitches half of his games at GABP, and posts a 4 ERA there. Not terrible stats, but when you factor in what the Reds gave up for a number three starter, it’s not good at all.

HasonJeyward
3 years 7 months ago

Then you have to consider that ANY pitcher would be “terrible” at GABP, and so have to consider who would be relatively less terrible. In this case, Latos is significantly less-terrible than another option.

3 years 7 months ago


Then you have to consider that ANY pitcher would be “terrible” at GABP”.  Cole Hamels begs to differ.

HasonJeyward
3 years 7 months ago

Hi, I’m The Point, I don’t think we’ve met.

Lunchbox45
3 years 7 months ago

you sound really knowledgeable, do you work for espn ?

strikethree
3 years 7 months ago

ESPN? What? How insulting.

This is just a case of him being wrong and refusing to admit it.

Oh, wait… on second thought…

JerseyJohn32190
3 years 7 months ago

He has a 1.93 ERA in Great American Ballpark.  Granted, 2 starts is a small sample size. But hey, just keep assuming he’s not going to be able to pitch there if you want.

3 years 7 months ago

I agree that Matos isn’t a product of Petco however Hoffman was not a great example for the post-Petco argument. He wasn’t very good for most of his Brewers tenure. He had a half good season but lost his Closer’s role and was only being trotted out in the 9th because of the 600 Saves Mark.

3 years 7 months ago

he also was at the end of his career with diminishing skills

bjsguess
3 years 7 months ago

I have a feeling that being 42 was a bigger impact than the ballpark he pitched in. But hey, that’s just me. 

And for the record – his first season with the Brewers was sick. ERA below 2, WHIP under 1, and nearly a K per inning. Not shabby for a guy that is washed up.

vtadave
3 years 7 months ago

Just one word of advice if you want to maintain some credibility:

Stop

AkuCin48
3 years 7 months ago

a number 3 starter? who taught u how to asses talent? matt millen? lol

HasonJeyward
3 years 7 months ago

Many pitchers are better at home than they are away. Clayton Kershaw,
Cole Hamels, Anibal Sanchez, and Ubaldo Jiminez all have better ERAs at
home. Guess they’re products of their parks as well.

Lunchbox45
3 years 7 months ago

Home FIP 3.25 Road FIP 3.30

thanks for coming out.

dunnetg
3 years 7 months ago

Tom Glavine’s career ERA on the road was 3.61. I guess he was terrible, too.

Beavis De Beppo
3 years 7 months ago

The good news is, the Reds get to bat when Latos is pitching at GABP, too.  Considering their offensive #s the last couple years,  I’m quite OK if his ERA floats a tad bit as you assure us it will.  Yeah, Latos MIGHT be a #3…. on a half dozen or so teams.  He’s a #1 or 2 on the rest of them, though.

strikethree
3 years 7 months ago

Maybe the system thought your denials were too idiotic to post.

Gunner65
3 years 7 months ago

Fail. Half a run is your evidence??? Yikes. Get back to me when its at least a full run difference and I’ll start to worry

AkuCin48
3 years 7 months ago

plz dont talk about something if u dnt have the stats to back it up. he actually gave up more home runs per 9 inn at petco then he did on the road. his whip is 1.15 at home and 1.15 on the road,his era was 4.04 prior to all star break and 2.87 after  and b.a. against went down 83 pts (.243/.160) bc he dealt with injury in 1st half and thats the sign of a good pitcher,1 who gets stronger as the yr progresses. if the phillies only scored barely 2 runs a gm for Halliday im sure he would barely have 10 wins also. so just plz know what ur talkin about b4 u start spewing common knowledge and making assumptions based on where a guy pitches and where he’s going to pitch

AkuCin48
3 years 7 months ago

a solid 3 starter?on the phillies? lmao! plz tell me the statistics to back up ur broad statement. I mean cmon u know ur on a baseball web site so u cnt just make random comments, ppl r going to call u out. i was u for the longest time, hating on other ppls teams bc my team wasnt doing anything, so i understand y u maybe a lil jealous, but there is no validity to what ur sayin. im not tryin to be a @#$hole, but it sounds like ur a hatin Pirates fan to me

AkuCin48
3 years 7 months ago

I know right, I guess Clayton Richard is a “product of Petco” and will b a 20 gm winner next yr. lol

nathanalext
3 years 7 months ago

Sure about that? Check the splits.

3 years 7 months ago

http://www.fangraphs.com/statsplits.aspx?playerid=3815&position=P&season=0

Looking right at them. What am I missing? He is better at home than on the road. He is a product of PETCO.

NomarGarciaparra
3 years 7 months ago

Being better at home doesn’t mean he’s a product of PETCO. It’s not like he has a 3.10 ERA at home and 5.00 ERA on the road…

carpetkicker
3 years 7 months ago

i like petco they have good dog food..lol

carpetkicker
3 years 7 months ago

i like petco they have good dog food

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 months ago

you’re missing the fact that most players in baseball perform slightly better at home than they do on the road

you’re missing the fact that everyone pitches better in extreme pitchers’ parks than elsewhere (guess why!)

you’re missing the fact that his stats outside of petco, though to a lesser degree than his stats in it, are still excellent

given all of this, it occurs to me that you might actually just be missing what it means to be a “product” of a certain environment in the first place. you seem lost

Lunchbox45
3 years 7 months ago

he’s also pitched 60 innings less at home than on the road which definitely factors in to the small difference.

nathanalext
3 years 7 months ago

You didn’t say “better at petco” you said he’d get “crushed” in Cincinnati, and that he’s a “product” of Petco. You implied that he is terrible outside of San Diego, which what everyone is saying, and disagreeing with. He wasn’t and has never been terrible away from San Diego.

Gunner65
3 years 7 months ago

I can’t help but laugh at this effort to call a half run difference as being a product of anything when every other metric is pretty much identical. Nice way to support your weak conclusion by cherry picking your data.

AkuCin48
3 years 7 months ago

so u saw where is whip is the same and how he gave up less hr per 9 inn on the road? bc thats what im lookin at, not sure what u are 

TophersReds
3 years 7 months ago

No he is not. Latos has a BETTER ERA on the road than he does at home. This has already been much discussed in Reds country, and 95% of us believe that he is not a product of Petco after much discussion. And how he pitched to a sub 3 ERA in his last 15 starts when he gained some velocity back after his injury. He is far from an unimpressive pitcher.

letsgogiants
3 years 7 months ago

Dude the guy is only 24. He may not pitch as well in their ballpark as he would in Petco, but he’s got some pretty filthy stuff. 

HasonJeyward
3 years 7 months ago

Career 3.12 FIP/3.52 xFIP, 3.48 SIERA.
Away from Petoc Park, 3.30 FIP/3.44 xFIP.
3.2 WAR season in 2011…

But why look at stats when you can make things up?

TophersReds
3 years 7 months ago

Because everybody here is baseball expert scouts/projectors. Pssssshhh….Who needs numbers?

0bsessions
3 years 7 months ago

Eyeball test…played baseball in middle school…coach in beer league…stat nerd…

Fill in the blanks and you’ve got yourself a canned argument against using logic.

Mikey Roederer
3 years 7 months ago

His girlfriend isn’t a looker, means no confidence….Bad ball player…HAHA

carpetkicker
3 years 7 months ago

yeah what about veronica vaughn?

3 years 7 months ago

Strikeouts work in any ballpark last time I checked…

0bsessions
3 years 7 months ago

Little known fact, due to the dimensions of the park and the great amount of history associated with it (And also because people feel bad for them), the home team at Wrigley get an extra strike. Considering he’ll be pitching there more often now, your argument is shot.

3 years 7 months ago

I have never found a Mat Latos on the shelves of Petco…is he near the lizards?

Craig Carlton
3 years 7 months ago

Read the article.  It’s ONE year.

AkuCin48
3 years 7 months ago

and to all those who say any pitcher sucks in GABP, why did Jonny Cueto have the lowest era in baseball b4 he missed last month and a half of the season?

Josh Bresser
2 years 25 days ago

Well that didn’t happen, good attempt though Nostradamus.

thejohnoparty
3 years 7 months ago

with Arroyo still on their staff, they’re going to need all the extra pitching they can get.. especially in that ballpark.

TophersReds
3 years 7 months ago

I think the mono partly affected him in 2011. He pitched the whole season with it, because he didn’t want to lose his prescious “#starts in a row without missing any” stat. I expect much more 2010-esque numbers from Arroyo (around 4 ERA compared to 5+ ERA from 2011).

thejohnoparty
3 years 7 months ago

i was not aware of this.

PWNdroia
3 years 7 months ago

Or it’s just the fact that Arroyo just isn’t that great a pitcher.  A #4 starter at best, at least on an AL team. Mono probably did affect him, I’m just pointing out that to begin with Arroyo isn’t the greatest.

JesseeA
3 years 7 months ago

Agreed — Arroyo isn’t that great of a pitcher, but it is likely that mono dragged him down further in 2011.

That said, there’s one thing Arroyo brings to the table that is very valuable to a team like the Reds: he’s a rock-solid 200+ innings pitcher year after year.

PWNdroia
3 years 7 months ago

Which is decent for a #4.  Even if Mat Latos ends up being the player the Reds expect him to be, I still doubt he will bring that team to the division title.  The Reds are good; I just don’t see them surpassing the Cardinals and possibly even the Brewers.

JesseeA
3 years 7 months ago

I think all three teams have some question marks on paper. The Cardinals need Wainwright to bounce back strong and Berkman/Beltran to produce. The Brewers are most likely losing Fielder and will very possibly lose Braun for a third of the season. The Reds have nobody in left field, a question mark at shortstop, and an oft-injured Rolen at third.

carpetkicker
3 years 7 months ago

get rid of rolen and bring back chris sabo

Gunner65
3 years 7 months ago

What it did to him is cost him about 3-4 MPH off his fastball which use to be 91-92. At 87-89 MPH his FB  that had good run inside to RH batters flattened out and became a BP quality offering. Hitter would just lay off anything soft and sit on that FB. Hence the large increase in his HR rate. No one is confusing Arroyo for a great pitcher. But a return a low 4 ERA and career norms in his other metrics will make him a very valuable innings eater 

Ccm Rewind
3 years 7 months ago

Arroyo was not healthy at all last year. Had mono when the season started and never could get that behind him.  While Arroyo will never be the ace of a staff, he is a solid #3/#4 on pretty much any teams roster.  He shows up and pitches his spot and eats 200 innings while USUALLY giving you a chance to win.

carpetkicker
3 years 7 months ago

arroyo!!! he is a hit and miss ..just like the game battleship u never know when he is going to hit for strikes and have a good

3 years 7 months ago

What a difference in committed dollars between Madson and Pap. 

Who would you all rather:  Pap at 4 yrs $50 mil or Madson at 1 year $8.5 mil w/ an option for an additional year at another $8.5 essentially, given the buyout.  If you can trade them straight up would you do it if you were Philly?
 
I’m a Red Sox fan and know how good Pap is, but I think I’d take Madson with his deal any day.  Curious what others think too. 

AkuCin48
3 years 7 months ago

um pretty sure the article said what madsen signed for so u shld probably read it again and while i agree petco is a pitchers park his fly/ground ratio is unbelievable and thats why they traded for him. its 1 thing if u have a high fly ball ratio but pitch in a pitcher friendly ball park where those fly balls translate to home runs in Great American Small park, but a ground ball is a ground ball on any field and thats y i feel good about the acquisition. U said Latos wasnt impressive last yr? um, pretty sure he started year on dl so he got off to a slow start, but look at his last 15 starts and the 2nd half of the yr, they stack up to any pitcher in the n.l. And in case u didnt know,pitchers win loss records is probably the most overrated stat in sports.(alla King Felix who went 13-12 and won the cy young)

3 years 7 months ago

We bid you farewell, Mad Dog. Good luck in Cincinnati.

3 years 7 months ago

I didn’t see that one coming. Although I should say I did so I look smarter.

I mean, who didn’t know the Reds would sign Ryan Madson?

3 years 7 months ago

Boras magic or a steal for the Reds?  Stay tuned…

Coollet
3 years 7 months ago

The best deals are those when everyone wins.

3 years 7 months ago

How about Ruben Amaro going into Free Agency acting like a child with ADHD off his meds.

Mikey Roederer
3 years 7 months ago

Steal for the Reds…Boras screwed Madson here…With how much Relief pitchers (esp closers) differ from year to year anything less than three will probably hurt him in the long run..Next year is already building up to be the year of the pitcher..what happens if he gets a small little strain or something and misses a few weeks..This is the definition of walking a tightrope with the future…

Lunchbox45
3 years 7 months ago

I’m guessing 2/24 with a vesting

i really like what the reds have done this offseason.

Sniderlover
3 years 7 months ago

If the money is reasonable, I like the signing. Madson should be a good fit with them.

TophersReds
3 years 7 months ago

YES. Marshall + Madson + Bray + Masset + Arredondo + Lecure + Ondrusek is a really solid bullpen. It also pushes Chapman into the starting role. Hopefully Boras didn’t hurt us too bad. 2-3 year deal I’m hoping.

3 years 7 months ago

Boras doesn’t hurt anyone. The teams hurt themselves. I forgot Arredondo still pitched.

TophersReds
3 years 7 months ago

He should have a decent year being another year removed from TJ. I mean, he was supposed to be the Angels closer until they released him because of the need of TJ.

3 years 7 months ago

I remember him being hyped on the Angels, but haven’t heard a word on him since the Reds signed him before 2010 I believe.

TophersReds
3 years 7 months ago

He didn’t pitch until 2011, and he was alright. He had around a 3 ERA, looked a little shaky on the mound and had control problems at times. Other times he made the batter look silly. He should stabilize a little bit more this year being another year removed.

bjsguess
3 years 7 months ago

I agree with your assessment. However, don’t be fooled by the sparkling ERA. FIP and xFIP had his ERA a lot closer to 5 than it was to 3. The guy was pretty lucky last season. 

I think he is a decent 6th/7th inning guy at this stage. Unless he makes some dramatic improvements I don’t think anyone should be expecting him to be a rock solid bullpen arm.

AkuCin48
3 years 7 months ago

i respectfully disagree with u. He may have been shaky and had control issues at times last yr but they say it takes usually a full yr of pitchin to get back to normal after tommy john. prior to his surgery he was (if not the best) one of the best set up men in baseball

AkuCin48
3 years 7 months ago

last yr was his 1st yr back from tommy john, maybe thats y u havent heard abotu him! u make it sound like he was gone for 5 seasons

bjsguess
3 years 7 months ago

It wasn’t arm problems that got him released. Character issues – and big ones at that.

That’s not to say that he can’t come back and be solid. However, Angel management got tired of his act and when he got injured it was an easy decision to let him go.

AkuCin48
3 years 7 months ago

probably bc u know nothin bout baseball. and maybe bc he had tommy john and missed a yr. Why are u hatin so much? what team do u root for?

Kendall Adkins
3 years 7 months ago

Your rotation is still average at best, and your offense is poor overall. And Chapman as a starter? Please man. He isn’t reliable for 1 inning, much less 6 or 7. 

Lunchbox45
3 years 7 months ago

7th best offense last year

much improved rotation and bullpen.

so much for your opinion

Kendall Adkins
3 years 7 months ago

7th in the NL, or 7th in the Majors? 

Lunchbox45
3 years 7 months ago

 majors

Kendall Adkins
3 years 7 months ago

Still, top to bottom, not a solid lineup. Phillips, Votto, and Bruce are obviously good hitters. No one else in the lineup scares anyone. 

Lunchbox45
3 years 7 months ago

Votto is a top 3 hitter in baseball..

and regardless of what you think, the stats suggest that the reds offense is just fine. Their pitching was near the bottom last year, but they’ve added a lot of nice pieces. 

Kendall Adkins
3 years 7 months ago

Jose Bautista, Albert Pujols, Prince Fielder, Ryan Braun,… He might be top 5. So you have one really good hitter, one good hitter, and one above average hitter. 

Lunchbox45
3 years 7 months ago

In the last 2 years

Votto is second in WAR( bautista 1st) and 3rd in wOBA (1.cabrera 2. bautista)

Kendall Adkins
3 years 7 months ago

I know he is a very good hitter. That’s not really my argument here. It’s that you guys are not good top to bottom. 

3 years 7 months ago

I seriously wonder why some people post even. I mean some of the comments I see on this page are just so bad and poorly thought out..  Reds Offense is really good.  We could have half the starters with over 20 home runs. and a few with over 30.  Batting Average wise yeah they might not be the greatest. But this team can score lots of runs.

With this signing I honestly can say the Reds are my favorite to win the division at least again.

Kendall Adkins
3 years 7 months ago

The Cardinals have potential 20-30 homerun guys almost top to bottom, and they all hit for average. And their pitching staff is better.

HasonJeyward
3 years 7 months ago

Holliday, Beltran, and Berkman… who else is a potential 20-30 HR threat?

0bsessions
3 years 7 months ago

Dave Duncan. PLOT TWIST!

Thomas Wilson
3 years 7 months ago

Craig and Freese

HasonJeyward
3 years 7 months ago

Freese would need to stay healthy, which he has a hard time doing. Craig is only a 20-30 HR threat if he’s playing center field or is filling in for an injured Holliday/Berkman, meaning you need to subtract another 20-30 HR hitter. So… 3 maybe, with 1 possible-but-doubtful. Not exactly close to 8.

Thomas Wilson
3 years 7 months ago

The Cardinals have a great offense, that doesn’t mean the Reds have a below average one.  Votto, Bruce, Phillips, Hanigan are all top 10 hitters at their position, Stubbs is one year removed from a 6 war season Francisco and Heisey could easily be above average at 3B/LF

Joe
3 years 7 months ago

Votto 30 HR Power, .300 avg

Bruce 30 HR power, 280’s avg.

Phillips 20 HR power .280 avg. 

Heisey 18 homers last year in 279 at bats… Thats quite a bit of power potential there. prolly a .260 hitter.

Mesoraco 20 home run power. 

Cozart will hit for average with a few homers here and there.

Stubbs 20 home run power, 40 steal guy.

WHEN HEALTHY Scott Rolen could hit around 20. But he won’t. 

Now that is a solid lineup up there ^^^

0bsessions
3 years 7 months ago

Agreed. That division is going to be really interesting this year. Right now my money’s on the Reds, but that could change again (I say again because maybe a month ago I’d have bet on the Brewers and a week ago it was the Cardinals), though getting Oswalt could put the Cardinals back on top to me.

Now watch the Cubs hold on to Garza, sign Fielder and trade for Tim Lincecum or something and make things even more interesting.

0bsessions
3 years 7 months ago

Never, in all my years coming here, have I seen a thread so riddled with stubborn insistence on clinging to incorrect statements made by guys too lazy to have checked their facts before posting to begin with.

Seriously, you were wrong, either admit it and move on or just tuck your tail and run off and hope no one noticed. Continuing to argue a point you’ve already been shown to have not bothered researching just makes your mistakes even more noticeable.

AkuCin48
3 years 7 months ago

just bc u dont know who is in our lineup doesnt mean they are not good, it means u dont know who is our lineup

3 years 7 months ago

Poor offense?  I hate the Reds but they had the seventh best offense and they did it with no DH. 

AkuCin48
3 years 7 months ago

um terrible offense? for most of the yr last yr they led national lg in runs scored and led the lg in runs scored in 2010, so where did u get ur info? jonny cueto led the major leagues in era b4 he missed the last month and half of season. latos was 3rd in cy young voting in 2010, not sure what u said made sense. ooooooohhhhh! i get it, ur from pittsburg, my apologies. and can u name another team who can put a guy with chapmans stuff number 4 or 5 in their rotation? yea ur thinkin about it, thats my point. pretty sure 27 other teams wld love to worry bout how a guy is going to respond who throws 103mph fastball with a 87mph changeup and a 93 mph slider

AkuCin48
3 years 7 months ago

who do u root for?

3 years 7 months ago

Wait, so first they were “far from contract negotiations,” and then, BAM, they’re signing him now? WTH

TophersReds
3 years 7 months ago

Walt likes to toy with the media like that. He only lets them know what he wants them to know.

BVHjays
3 years 7 months ago

Guys, I think the Reds might be “all-in.”

TophersReds
3 years 7 months ago

I think that has been officaial for almost a month. But sure, this just reinforces it.

Kendall Adkins
3 years 7 months ago

This is all-in?

3 years 7 months ago

Can you please stop posting your hurting my brain.

Kendall Adkins
3 years 7 months ago

Sorry if I’m annoying you, but this can’t possibly be all in, right? 

3 years 7 months ago

What is your deal? I think the poster was saying this move along with the several others before this (Latos, Marshall) is sign the Reds are all in. Use that moosh in your head. You must root for the Cards.  

3 years 7 months ago

Marshall and Madson? Those are going to be some nasty M&Ms for opposing hitters.

dylanp5030
3 years 7 months ago

Agree

TophersReds
3 years 7 months ago

M&M&M when Nick Masset is doing good. I mean, Masset has been their set up guy for the past few years and is great when he good, but is really bad when he is bad.

Tacho Bill
3 years 7 months ago

Man, it’s a good thing the Pirates signed….ehhh….ummmm….never mind.

3 years 7 months ago

I liked their Bedard signing.

3 years 7 months ago

Next up, Kerry Wood to Phils?

nm344
3 years 7 months ago

Phils don’t really need him, unless he takes a discount to play for a contender.

WrigleyTerror37
3 years 7 months ago

Quick Phone a Friend!!!
The answer is Cubs!

nm344
3 years 7 months ago

Cubs dont need him though and he’d probably prefer to play in games that actually matter. 

0bsessions
3 years 7 months ago

If that was true, he wouldn’t have taken an insanely below market value deal to play for them last year. He probably could’ve gotten more than triple what they offered for him from any number of contenders (The Sox and Yankees alone both expressed interest).

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 7 months ago

Solid signing for the Reds. Gives them the best back end combo in the division and one of the best in baseball.

3 years 7 months ago

Better than K-Rod/Axford?  rofl

Lunchbox45
3 years 7 months ago

marshall > Krod 

3 years 7 months ago

Equally good at least.

3 years 7 months ago

Kidding, right?

3 years 7 months ago

Did you even bother to look at their stats?

*The combined 2011 ERA of Marshall and Madson is basically the same as K-Rod and Axford. M&M had a K/9 of 9.3 (against 10.2), BB/9 of 2.2 (against 3.15), and much better FIP and xFIP.

*And they had a 4.5 fWAR (in fewer innings) against a 3.3 fWAR if you give a damn about WAR.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 7 months ago

Marshall’s better than K-Rod. Madson/Axford is a toss up.

Michael Brown
3 years 7 months ago

Better than Kimbrel/Venters? Pah-lease.

Kendall Adkins
3 years 7 months ago

Motte will have more saves than Madson in 2012. Fact. Even as a Cards fan though, this one goes to the Brewers. 

3 years 7 months ago

No wonder your posts are so messed up.. Your in shock still from losing Albert… Its ok mate.. you can’t win every year..

I do think the Cardinals ares still a very good team but no way are they the favorites anymore.

Kendall Adkins
3 years 7 months ago

Why would I care if Albert left? Our offense will be as good this year, assuming health, and way cheaper for the next decade. 

bjsguess
3 years 7 months ago

Funniest post of the day. Sure – losing Pujols is no biggie. You signed Carlos Beltran. That should even things out.

Cards_Fanboy
3 years 7 months ago

Not that funny of a post if you actually look at the 2012 Cards lineup. Albert didn’t have much better of a year than Beltran in 2011.  And it isn’t Beltran replacing Pujols.  It is Beltran & Allen Craig replacing Pujols & Jon Jay.  If Freese is healthy all year the 2012 Cards are easily better than in 2011.

0bsessions
3 years 7 months ago

I’m sorry, but no. You don’t lose Albert Pujols and then say “our offense will be as good this year” unless you’ve figured out how to bring Ted Williams back from the dead and convinced him to play for the Cards.

bighiggy
3 years 7 months ago

there is more to factor in than just losing pujols, we also got rid of theriot, and freese and holliday missed some time and rasmus was terrible! if holliday and freese stay healthy, plus having furcal for a full season as well as beltran i think the offense will be at least evened out if not better. what flaws do you have in that logic?

sourbob
3 years 7 months ago

To be fair, if you brought Ted Williams back from the dead, he’d be 93 years old.

That would make him a Giant, more likely.

nm344
3 years 7 months ago

Reds are going to be very happy with Madson.  He’s been elite for 4 years running.

3 years 7 months ago

Very good, but not elite.

TophersReds
3 years 7 months ago

I’ll take very good after seeing Cordero give me and the rest of Cincinnati panic attacks every save opportunity.

3 years 7 months ago

I would too. But it doesn’t quite make him elite. He had an elite year, but he isn’t an elite closer yet. If he has a couple of more years like that, then we could call him elite. Good signing by the Reds.

SoxPopuli
3 years 7 months ago

But Madson has shown tendencies of having a slightly higher ERA on the road than at home, so according to your previously established logic, doesn’t that make him a product of Citizens Bank Park?

TophersReds
3 years 7 months ago

ZING

Lunchbox45
3 years 7 months ago

+100,000

3 years 7 months ago

Yes!

3 years 7 months ago

I literally just fell out of my chair laughing at your post.. Thank you for that.

3 years 7 months ago

We get rid of the Brewers and now the Reds are right there with us… Sigh… Can’t the Cardinals just have one season where we’re the clear-cut favorites? Sure to be an interesting season.

TophersReds
3 years 7 months ago

I’ll take a WS win over being the clear-cut favorites any day of the year. Want to make a trade? You can be the favorites, but we win the World Series? If you need to contact me my agent is Scott Boras, which means I’m going to win in the end, no matter how much leverage you think you have.

3 years 7 months ago

Well I didn’t realize being the favorites meant you couldn’t win the World Series… and maybe a little too soon to be talking playoffs, not to mention the World Series. The Reds need to: A. Beat a very good Cardinals team
B. Make the playoffs
C. Win a game in the playoffs

Then you can mention the World Series.

TophersReds
3 years 7 months ago

*Facepalm*….Again

I know sarcasm is hard tell over the internet, but really?

3 years 7 months ago

Sorry… it’s been a long day.

Luke Wise
3 years 7 months ago

Reds went 9-6 against the cards last year did they not? 

gimpcom187
3 years 7 months ago

Only a cards or Yanks fan could complain after the ridiculous string of luck that resulted in your championship.  Then whine that a team in your division made themselves better in a totally reasonable way.  Try playing in the AL East with the 2 top salaried teams both of whom are top 5 front offices and another team that is THE BEST front office, though they have a significant payroll disadvantage.  That’s something to whine about, not that so medium payroll decently run teams make a couple of decent moves in their off-seasons to become legit contenders.

3 years 7 months ago

Not trying to complain… Would you be happy if your rivals got better? I doubt it. And the WS was great, but it’s over. I’m focusing on 2012 and a repeat.

Ccm Rewind
3 years 7 months ago

Well, it depends if you are a fan of the game or a fan of just one team.  While I am a Reds fan, I LOVE BASEBALL and love to see every team loaded with talent…I also like the unpredictable upsets when a “less talented” team OWNS one they have no business being in the same ballpark with.

Kendall Adkins
3 years 7 months ago

It wasn’t as lucky as people think. A couple months into the season, we had the best record in the MLB. Then we had a string of injuries, things started looking bad. Then we made a major trade and got healthy, so things turned around for us. 

tdot32
3 years 7 months ago

right, but the fact that atlanta pretty much collapsed at the same time that the cardinals were surging is pretty lucky.

3 years 7 months ago

“We get rid of the Brewers”

Cardinals fan drunk on the Internet again.

Kendall Adkins
3 years 7 months ago

The Cardinals are still the clear cut favorites. Better offense. Better rotation. Fairly equal bullpen (I would say we’re better, but I’d be being biased I think.). 

3 years 7 months ago

You think ROFL….. Hell the Brewers have a better bullpen than you do and the Reds bullpen could be the best in the NL if we are lucky.

Better Offense.  How many of your players project to hit 20 home runs or hit over 80 RBI.. What a joke..

I will give you starting pitching just because of your pitchers track records.

Oh and you forgot an important part of baseball DEFENSE. 
Reds Win Easy on that .

stl_cards16
3 years 7 months ago

“How many of your players project to hit 20 home runs or hit over 80 RBI”

ohhhh homeruns and RBI’s…..the two most important stats in baseball, right?  Then you call him a joke?  lol

Cards_Fanboy
3 years 7 months ago

I expect Berkman, Holliday, Beltran each to hit 20+ HR with 80+ RBI.  Craig & Freese will be borderline.   Molina will be solid, but will probably come up short on both.  So 3-5.

bighiggy
3 years 7 months ago

cause obviously all those 20 homers and 80 rbi guys helped you alot last year, didnt the reds as a team lead the nl in strikeouts for batters, also an important stat!

Pawapuro
3 years 7 months ago

Just as I suspected.

Can’t wait to see how the NL Central turns out.

sam_lammert
3 years 7 months ago

im loving the competition, its gonna be a fun year

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 7 months ago

The Reds are 14th overall this year? So the Phillies would get a supplemental rounder and a 2nd rounder, right?

nm344
3 years 7 months ago

I think that’s correct

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 7 months ago

I’m still not completely up to speed with the new draft rules, that’s how I understand it but the original article’s throwing me off a little bit.

nm344
3 years 7 months ago

This year there are special rules and they will change again next off-season.  I’ve heard that only the first 10 picks are protected from the ‘comp pick’ getting slotted in, but others still say its the first 15. 

3 years 7 months ago

Congrats to the Red, but damn I wanted him to sign with the Rays.

sports33
3 years 7 months ago

I for one am SHOCKED that Jon Heyman got the scoop on a Boras client signing

dylanp5030
3 years 7 months ago

Congrats to Reds. Maddog is a great closer and even a better guy. He is a clubhouse guy who keeps everyone loose. I met him a couple times and was very friendly and engaging in conversation! Congrats Ryan, we will miss you in Philly.

Also, do we really get the 14th pick? That’s pretty sweet.