Rosenthal On Victorino, Red Sox, Braves, Brewers

Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports has a new Full Count video up, so let's round up the rumors…

  • The chances of the Phillies trading Shane Victorino may be greater than the chances of them trading Cole Hamels. The Dodgers, Reds, and possibly the Yankees could be fits for the outfielder, who originally asked Philadelphia for a five-year extension. They're unwilling to give him a contract that long.
  • The Red Sox are likely to be one of the most active teams at the trade deadline. If they keep Franklin Morales in the rotation, they're likely to seek another left-hander for the bullpen. They could also acquire a starter and shift Morales back into a relief role.
  • The Braves are not as adamant about not trading their top young pitchers as they were at this time last year mostly because there are more appealing choices on the market. They're looking for consistency and could part with one of Mike Minor, Julio Teheran, or Randall Delgado if they view someone like Matt Garza as a difference-maker.
  • The Brewers remain more likely to sell than not, but they would still like to return to contention quickly. They could ask for big league pitching instead of prospects for Zack Greinke, plus Francisco Rodriguez figures to have value on the trade market. GM Doug Melvin is getting calls about John Axford and Jose Veras, and the trio of Randy Wolf, George Kottaras, and Shaun Marcum (if healthy) remain trade bait.


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Devern Hansack
3 years 2 months ago

Currently, the Red Sox have six starters (Beckett, Lester, Morales, Cook, Doubront, Matsuzaka) excluding Buchholz, who is on the DL. I suppose Morales, Cook, or Doubront could move back to the bullpen, though I’d like to hope that they’d eat salary and move Dice-K for a prospect.

3 years 2 months ago

that would make no sense. They are barely a contender for the wild card and Dice-K only has a contract through the end of the season. 

Devern Hansack
3 years 2 months ago

1 game back of the O’s for the second wild card spot is equivalent to “barely a contender for the wild card?”

Crucisnh
3 years 2 months ago

Well, given that Morales was already a reliever this season, returning him to the pen seems most likely.  As for trading DiceK, it seems unlikely because he has a full no-trade clause, and my guess is that there are a limited number of teams which would want him and to which he’d be willing to go. 
It’s also worth pointing out that Beckett is now a 10/5 player and is supposedly quite likely to veto any trade.

All that said, the Sox are going to have quite a dilemma deciding what to do with 7 starters and only 5 spots. 

3 years 2 months ago

Although Morales has looked great in his starts, he’s not a starter by trade and will probably start to fizzle out in the next few weeks (heat will play in too). Lester, Beckett, Buchholz, Doubront and Cook/Dice-K should suffice, with Morales and Miller in emergency.

3 years 2 months ago

I’d love to have Victorino in Cincy. We need a leadoff hitter bad and he would also be the only switch hitter on the roster. Doubt we make the trade after the haul we gave for Latos though. He’d be a nice rental to help pull away from the Cards and Bucs.

Brv Rocks
3 years 2 months ago

I just hope the Braves don’t trade one of Delgado, Minor or Teheran for someone like Ryan Dempster.  I also hope they don’t give up Teheran for anyone other than Greinke.

thesultanofswingandmiss
3 years 2 months ago

Wait I’m confused. Do you mean Mark Teahen? Cause if you did, You’ve just disgraced every single Braves scout in their franchise.

3 years 2 months ago

Julio Teheran #4 best prospect in baseball best RHP pitcher figures to be staff ace at his prime

asovermann
3 years 2 months ago

Given Teheran figures out what the heck is wrong with him, he couldn’t be much worse this year.

tomymogo
3 years 2 months ago

Inconsistant, had back problems in his last start gave up like 9 runs, before that, he had a 3.15 ERA

3 years 2 months ago

I hope the only pitcher we’re considering is Greinke, but knowing Frank Wren…

tomymogo
3 years 2 months ago

But only 3 month’s of Greinke don’t require a prospect of the caliber of Teheran.

sourbob
3 years 2 months ago

Greinke is under team control through 2013. So that’s a year and three months.

EDIT: Er wait… that’s Garza.

pfunknut
3 years 2 months ago

thats not true, hes a free agent at yrs end

rundmc1981
3 years 2 months ago

If MIL decides it can’t re-sign them, they could get a better deal if they let interested teams talk with him about the possibility of an extension before a trade is finalized. Similar to what ATL did with Uggla, though everything was written in sand.

lionofsenate
3 years 2 months ago

Where have you been?  Cy Young quality pitchers always cost top prospects, even for 3 months.  New to baseball are you?

3 years 2 months ago

 Not anymore with the new rules. B prospects maybe but doubtful any “A” prospects are moved for a rental. Texas may be the only team willing to do this due to their thinking that one player could get them that elusive World Series title finally.

tomymogo
3 years 2 months ago

Mike Minor, Zeke Spruill, and Edward Salcedo for Matt Garza.

Or

Mike Minor, and Nick Amhed for Zack Greinke

CT
3 years 2 months ago

I think you have the packages reversed.  Two prospects is not going to bring Greinke to Atlanta.

tomymogo
3 years 2 months ago

Because Garza is under team control he is more valuable. Greinke is the better pitcher yes I agree, but he is a free agent and he’ll be asking for at least 20 mill per year. Garza on the other hand will get his finall year of arbitration next year and it will be 12 million max.

With the new CBA agreement, if a player is traded mid season in his free agent year, that team doesn’t get compensation picks if they don’t sign him.

So it’s basically a 3 month rental from the Brewers, same situation as the Mets were with Carlos Beltran last year when they traded him to the Giants, for Zack Wheeler. Mike Minor may have lost value with some growing pains this year, but as I remember, Braves were interested in Beltran as well and they were asking for Mike Minor and a prospect. Also Beltran was making 18 million last year, while Greinke is making 12.5 million so Greinke has more value.

Mike Minor a major league ready pitcher that will get better probably top out as #3 starter, and Nick Amhed a top 10 prospect that plays a real good SS(Brewers need that don’t they :))

thesultanofswingandmiss
3 years 2 months ago

Ok. As far as I know Mike Minor is a guy who aloud 18 home runs in only 14 games. But Ahmed is believable. Please make it Ahmed and whoever Zeke Spruill is (and maybe Bourn).

CT
3 years 2 months ago

Bourn? No chance.

thesultanofswingandmiss
3 years 2 months ago

I know. Him, Ahmed, Minor and Heyward are the only Braves I know (as you can see I don’t follow the Braves).

3 years 2 months ago

Well I hope you’d at least know Chipper Jones  o.0

thesultanofswingandmiss
3 years 2 months ago

Yeah he’s the guy who owns lays right?

tomymogo
3 years 2 months ago

Why Bourn, he is a free agent.

Minor has had some growing pains,bbut has also showns signs of brilliance, he just needs to keep pitching and find some consistency. Minor has more potential than Spruill

rundmc1981
3 years 2 months ago

So you think Garza is a more attractive option than Greinke?!?! And yes, I know Garza would be under contract for 2013 if an option is picked up.

That’s crazy.

tomymogo
3 years 2 months ago

More atractive, no, more valuable for Atlanta yes, because they just don’t have the money to sign Greinke long term, that’s not the Brewers problem I know, but IMO that’s what they should offer or another package with similar value.

Remember the Mark Texeira deal? Neftali Feliz, Elvis Andrus, Matt Harrison, Jarrod Saltalamacchia, and Beau Jones for Mark Texeira and Ron Mahay. They couldn’t sign Texeira to a long term deal and traded him away to the Angels for Casey Kotchman and Stephen Marek(who didn’t throw 1 big league pitch). Then traded Kotchman for Adam Laroche, which was the only semi-good trade on all that.

Well that is one thing I don’t want to see happen again.

rundmc1981
3 years 2 months ago

Yes I remember the deal. I have it tattooed on my chest so I don’t forget it. We (ATL) will have almost $40 million available this offseason and there’s a lot of reasons why we could make a very good place for Greinke to re-sign (playoff contention almost every year, mid-market, close to hometown, good offense/infield defense, pitcher’s park, broad fanbase, good organization, etc. 

Garza is an average pitcher, at best. He’s not the top-flight starter that we need. I would not want Hoyer/Epstein as a trade partner. They find a way to win the deal.

TheGreatHambino
TheGreatHambino
3 years 2 months ago

Agreed about Garza. While I could live with him to solidify our underperforming/injured rotation, I’m scared of the cost. For a mid-to-occasionally-top of the rotation starter controlled for 1.5 more years, I’d rather not surrender too much (which is exactly what Hoyer/Epstein is looking for in this market). If we’re going to give up our best or top prospects, it might as well be for someone truly worth it. Besides, I’d rather see some tinkering in the current rotation than overpaying for anyone not named Greinke/Hamels at this point (i.e. give Teheran the chance to succeed, which means letting him have more than one 4inning start ruined by an over the hill reliever).

Also, I don’t think any Braves fan forgets Scheurholtz’s disastrous deal to TEX. The Rangers remind us everyday with their ML best record.

rundmc1981
3 years 2 months ago

I’ll say this, almost as bad as Schuerholz’s deal with TEX (Feliz, Salty, Andrus, Beau Jones, Harrison for Tex, Mahay) is Wren’s disastrous decision to trade Tex to LAA for Kotchman/Marek rather than keep him and obtain 2 top picks in the 2009 draft when he signed with NYY. LAA only got Mike Trout with that pick (#25) and Tyler Skaggs (#40) (key to the Haren trade). We took Mike Minor (#7) in that same draft. Wish we could have a do-over.

TheGreatHambino
TheGreatHambino
3 years 2 months ago

Very, very true. I was just going to say that doesn’t it hurt to know that we had the chance, in theory, to get Trout on two occasions? 1) if we kept Tex and he dropped to us late in the 1st round, 2) we chose him over Minor. Oh, hindsight… 

rundmc1981
3 years 2 months ago

Yes, Trout wasn’t the 1st OF taken, but knowing how shallow we’ve been in the OF and how many tools Trout possessed and a reasonable comparison to Heyward, I’d think our scouts would have zoned in on him. But we’ll never know.

Jeff
3 years 2 months ago

 That $40 million should go entirely to re-signing Prado/McCann/Bourn and extending Heyward

rundmc1981
3 years 2 months ago

I agree in part with that except for McCann. Pick up his option for 2013 and let him walk after that. We have too much catching depth to lock someone like McCann up unless we decide to find him another spot on the field (which isn’t practical given Freeman at 1B and McCann’s limited mobility). If we had the DH in the NL, then I’d have a different answer, but McCann is getting too old and too feeble to devote 18-23% of the team’s annual budget on him until he’s 34-35 years old. 

tomymogo
3 years 2 months ago

Yes but those 40 million are very mis-leading, McCann is a free agent after next season, many expect he will get more money than Yadier Molina’s 5 year 75 million deal. Then there’s all the arbitration eligible players, Jurrjens, Prado, Heyward, Venters, Hanson, O’flaherty, Medlen, and Minor looking for raises next year. Kimbrel’s arbitration is gonna be scary, the Braves might end up with a 9 million dollar closer in 2 years. Beachy, and Freeman will also join the fun.

So giving 20 million per year for the next 3-5 years to Greinke, when you don’t even have a CF and a LF, and all these player looking for raises and facing free agency, is not really a wise decision from a mid-market team like them.

Garza if you can get him without trading Medlen, Delgado, Teheran, Kimbrel, Simmons, Heyward, Freeman, and Vizcaino, then go for it. He is making 9.5 million this year and in worst case scenario 12 million next year. That’ll give Brandon Beachy time to recover from TJ surgery and give the Braves a top of the rotation starter. 

He may not be an ace like Greinke is, but that Cubs defense and Wrigley field certainly don’t help his inflated 4.06 ERA. He played in the AL East and wasn’t half bad, that tells me the guy can handle pressure, and most importantly he’d be an Ace in the Braves current staff

hawkny1
3 years 2 months ago

If the Red Sox cannot land a true #1 starter, I suspect they will play a pat hand, with the talent they have, until September.

MaineSox
3 years 2 months ago

I think “holding” might be the best coarse of action for them at this point.  In fact, I could see them trading away some of their redundant pieces (relievers, outfielders, and maybe even a back end starter or two) – kind of selling without really selling.

start_wearing_purple
start_wearing_purple
3 years 2 months ago

Agreed. The Sox problem right now isn’t really that they lack a particular player, it’s they’ve had untimely injuries, inconsistant offense, and several pitchers who haven’t been living up to expectations.

MaineSox
3 years 2 months ago

Exactly, and with Beckett just back, Buchholz back sometime after the AS break, and Ellsbury and Crawford both on rehab assignments, they should be getting a pretty big boost without actually having to trade anything.

hawkny1
3 years 2 months ago

Cafardo suggests trading Ellsbury and Lester to Seattle for King Felix.  His trade proposal would help both teams but I think the Red Sox might have to sweeten the pot even more by adding in a of prospect like, say, Tazawa and cash….or Dice-K…  to get a deal done.

davbee
3 years 2 months ago

King Felix isn’t going anywhere (he’s under contract through 2014), especially not for a fragile outfielder and a pitcher with an ERA of 4.5.

MaineSox
3 years 2 months ago

Well, Cafardo’s a hack, so don’t listen to anything he suggests.  Plus, that is one of the rare trade suggestions that doesn’t make sense for either team: Lester is a very good pitcher (obviously not on Felix’s level, but very good nonetheless), and Ellsbury was a very legitimate MVP candidate last year – and both are relatively cheap (which Hernandez is not).  That’s more than Boston would want to give up for him, but neither guy is the young guy with lots of team control left that Seattle would be looking for.

3 years 2 months ago

If the Braves trade for Garza we might as well go back to the early 80s uniforms because that’s how sorry the team will be.

rundmc1981
3 years 2 months ago

Burn!

3 years 2 months ago

Tyler Pastornicky, Randall Delgado, Jair Jurrjens/Mike Minor, Matt Lipka, Anthony Varvaro, 1-2 mid level prospects for Zack Greinke and K-Rod but a 48-72 hour timetable to work on extending grienke if he doesnt take the extentision move on. Yes i know this is extremely over paying but if we get Grienke all of these players wouldnt make it in Atlanta anyways your rotation would be 1.Greinke 2.Hanson 3.Hudson 4.Beachy 5.Teheran in the long run. this season would be that minus Beachy and replace with whoever stays in the deal out of Jurrjens/Minor

NickinIthaca
3 years 2 months ago

Why would the Braves want K-Rod though? Don’t they already have three relievers as good or better?

stl_cards16
3 years 2 months ago

I don’t know what you consider the “long run”, but to me, Hudson won’t be there.

rundmc1981
3 years 2 months ago

ATL will pick up his 2013 option and that’s it.

JakeD
3 years 2 months ago

If brewers were offered that trade, I’d cry

3 years 2 months ago

Tears of joy? lol 

davbee
3 years 2 months ago

Jair Jurrjens/Mike Minor?  I didn’t realize Monday was trash day around here.

rundmc1981
3 years 2 months ago

K-Rod and his salary?!?! Are you kidding? Guy will make $4M+ the rest of 2012 (free agent in 2013) and has a 4.24 ERA! Jurrjens trade stock isn’t that high (and I’m starting to question Minor’s). Yes, I think this is overpaying, but I like that we’re not giving up Teheran in this scenario. I wouldn’t mind giving up Lipka, but we’re already thin in OF and that’s provided we’re not losing Bourn at the end of the season.

3 years 2 months ago

Is Pastornicky supposed to be everyday LFer when Prado shifts to 3rd next year? 

Brewcrew00
3 years 2 months ago

Simmons has to be involved in any trade with Atlanta and we don’t need you to give us a OF. We’ll go with what we have now and what is in our minor system.

3 years 2 months ago

They SHOULD NOT trade Hamels, no matter what.  At worst, they get two high picks.  They likely could not do much better than that on the trade market, given the fact that the team “renting” Hamels would not be able to obtain picks for him.

Crucisnh
3 years 2 months ago

Are you saying that any team trading FOR a player who is hitting free agency at the end of the season doesn’t get the draft picks if that player still leaves for free agency?  If true, that would seem to make the market for trading such players absolutely terrible.  Is this still true if the player is traded before his final season prior to free agency?

3 years 2 months ago

Yep, that was new in the CBA signed this offseason.  Its a small detail that many people seem to have glossed over.  It almost makes no sense to trade a player anymore who is a pending big name free agent IMO.  Take the comp picks, those high picks are likely to be a better payoff than what you get in return for a trade, again, IMO.

3 years 2 months ago

Victorino on the other hand has said he would entertain the qualifying offer, that is enough for me to trade him now, and hedge the risk that he may take the offer which would remove any compensation from the equation. 

3 years 2 months ago

Why K-Rod? 

NYBravosFan10
3 years 2 months ago

If we’re talking Teheran we better be talking about either Greinke or Hamels!!!

LazerTown
3 years 2 months ago

Victorino would be a nice stabilizer in the yankees outfield, he could fill in left until gardner comes back, and then play in rf alot and cf occasionally.  But I doubt he is cheap, and wouldn’t be worth it, gardner has been out all year and the yankees are 5 games up, why would they trade for victorino when he will be back soon; Ken?

Slopeboy
3 years 2 months ago

That’s what I thought, but only if Gardner doesn’t return this year. Otherwise Swisher has to be moved also.Victorino is not a platoon player and wouldn’t be able to handle that coming to a new league in mid-season.

basilisk4
3 years 2 months ago

Trading Teheran for a few months or a year of any of these guys would be idiocy.

3 years 2 months ago

How about the Braves focus on extending Bourn and grab Jason Vargas or Wandy for cheaper than Greinke or Garza? Hudson and Hanson are great #2s and I’ll take three #2s versus a more conventional ace and slowly worsening starters afterwards.

Ideally we’d get Brandon Lyon and Wandy if you ask me.

TheGreatHambino
TheGreatHambino
3 years 2 months ago

As ridiculous as tomymogo’s and other fanatical fans’ video game-like proposals have been, let’s not forget the magic Wren pulled on the Marlins to snag Uggla (and sign him to an extension). 

As a Braves fan, I wouldn’t mind giving anyone up not named Teheran or anyone on the major league team (other than Minor and maybe Delgado) for Greinke if we could sign an extension. We need a true ace. And sorry, we’re not trading Heyward, Freeman or Simmons- they’re staples of our future. 

thesultanofswingandmiss
3 years 2 months ago

Maybe his right shoe. Greinke’s jersey probably is worth more then Minor.

rundmc1981
3 years 2 months ago

I’m a Braves fan and I’m with you. Guy is out of control. He won tonight despite not going 6 and walking 5…? Give me a break.

3 years 2 months ago

I think Brewers have enough trade chips that Axford would pretty much be out of any trade scenarios. 

3 years 2 months ago

There’s already enough of those types on this Braves squad. 

rundmc1981
3 years 2 months ago

Thank you for telling the truth. 

johnsilver
3 years 2 months ago

Not to mention Rich Hill, who is the best LH specialist on the team and have always been a fan of Andrew Miller.

3 years 1 month ago

not to mention the fact that it is too early to even figure who contenders are

tomymogo
3 years 2 months ago

Look I know I’m not a GM or a person who really has any experience in the game, but I do believe in logic, why is this an insane video game like proposal?

I’m just a fan here, but I tried to compare the Carlos Beltran trade to what can the Brewers ask for in return of Zack Greinke, because it’s extremely similar circumstances with the only difference being that Beltran made 18 million last year while Greinke is gonna make 12.5 million this year. And Beltran ended up being traded to the Giants for Zack Wheeler, but during that process there were a lot of rumors involving the Braves and Carlos Beltran. Since Zack Wheeler had more upside than Mike Minor, the Mets asked for Mike Minor + a prospect.

And the Cubs are asking for a package similar to what the Indians gave Colorado for Ubaldo Jimenez that included 2 young high potential players.

tomymogo
3 years 2 months ago

In 108 degree weather, the hottest day in the state of Georgia ever, Strasburg barely lasted 3 innings. Marvin Hudson was the home plate umpire, he and Tim McClelan average more walks than strikeouts in their games, that certainly didn’t help.

3 years 2 months ago

I really disagree.  The value of those comp picks is potentially huge.  It could give a team multiple first round picks, which increases the likelyhood of hitting a HR in the draft.  
Without that safety net, you are looking at going “all in” same as before, but without the promise of some type of comp if you do not win it all.  In that case, you are basically putting all of your money on one number in roulette, with no insurance.
It changes the nature of the bet, and GOOD GM’s will realize this.

rundmc1981
3 years 2 months ago

Agreed. Though I think compensatory picks are thought about, when discussing former Cy Young winners, they’re not going to make or break a deal for them. Especially if the team acquiring Greinke has the money to re-sign them.

TheGreatHambino
TheGreatHambino
3 years 2 months ago

Yours is definitely not as bad as some, but oftentimes we forget to take the other team’s perspective on potential deals. If you’re MIL and have Greinke, a legit ace, you’re going to want to get the most out of a trade. With so many teams hungry for better pitching, and him being the best out there (other than Hamels if he becomes available), then they’re free to set the price. In short, that offer is probably not going to get it done, let alone compete with what other teams may pony up for the ace.

That said, would you, as a Brewers fan, be happy with Minor who’s upside is a #3 realistically and hasn’t proven he’s even a #5 major league starter with his 6+ ERA and inconsistencies. Yes he’s going through some growing pains but still, this definitely diminished his stock from last year when half of us wanted to keep him unless we could get someone great to almost all of us wishing he’d either be in a trade or sent back to AAA – why would another team want someone else’s trash? Sure, Minor isn’t total trash, flashing some solid performances here and there; he will probably grow into a decent MLB starter but he’s not one of those underperforming/sell low candidates given that he’s no sure thing yet (many top prospects never pan out). 

So again, MIL will be looking for the best possible deal out there. Chances are, TEX, WAS or another team looking to solidify their rotation with an ace (meaning half the league) will present better offers than a POTENTIAL #3/4 starter and a potentially serviceable infielder/utilityman. 

Nonetheless, I’d be ecstatic if Wren would be able to use some of his Uggla trade magic on the Brewers to get Greinke without surrendering too much. Even if we had to give up a top prospect (exception: Teheran), Greinke seems worth the cost so long as we get an extension with him.

As for Ubaldo – he signed a 4 year contract extension with COL in 2009, two years before the trade to CLE, who got him when he would be under control for another two years at least, versus Greinke who would be with his new team for 3 months (if no extension came). Since MIL can only trade a “rental Greinke,” their demands can’t be extraordinary (especially with the new CBA), but they’ll still want premiere prospects given his ace potential, proven ability, and thin market. As as much as I love to hype our prospects, I don’t see Minor as a “top” one with “high potential,” rather one with decent potential. If Minor were to be part of the trade, the Braves would need to offer more than just Nick Ahmed, who at this point is not even in the top 10 Braves prospects let alone top 100 overall prospects. I know you brought this comparison up in reference to CHC, but I bet MIL seeks a similarly enticing package in order to deal Greinke. Besides, he’s better than anything the Cubs can offer; I’m in the camp that believes we should go after Greinke, an ace, not overpay for mid-rotation starters like Garza and Dempster, even if they have more service time available (and certainly not Vargas; just bring up Teheran and not ruin his starts with weak relievers or pull him to early- hard to believe we’re giving Minor so much wiggle room but zero to our top prospect, oh well).

While the Mets got away with snagging the Giants top prospect Wheeler (a #40 overall at that point last year?), many in the league have panned it as an overpay, especially since SF didn’t keep Beltran – so there’s hope that ATL won’t overpay for someone like Greinke (and Wren has yet to do so really). 

No matter what, ATL can’t stand still. We need real difference makers (an ace starter, at least one better reliever, and bench help).

TheGreatHambino
TheGreatHambino
3 years 2 months ago

While I could see Wren parting with Teheran as long as Greinke signed an extension with ATL, I doubt the Braves would give up Simmons. To me, he has become more untouchable than Teheran given his performance at the ML level, and not just defensively. Furthermore, SS has been a black hole for ATL for years now, with a revolving door of serviceable veterans, utility men and underperforming/”problematic” prospects (Escobar). We haven’t had a gold-glove capable SS with offensive potential since a prime Furcal really. Besides, Simmons has become an integral part of our everyday lineup now, and if ATL hopes to stay in the wildcard or division race they will need him there (not pastornicky, or God forbid Wilson).  That said, if MIL is dead set on Simmons, then I would pass on Greinke despite his ace status. We are in much more need of a long-term solution at SS than in our rotation, which will be fine for years to come once prospects pan out (and even if they don’t, ATL continuously replenishes pitching prospects like no other). Apart from Salcedo, who figures to be a 3B more than SS, the Braves have no one capable/ready to fill one of the most important positions on the field.

Bobthebrave
3 years 2 months ago

I agree there is no match for the Brewers and Braves. You are not going to get Simmons, Heyward or For that matter Teheran. Your best bet is Texas and I bet you don’t get Profar or Feliz. As a Braves fan we understand your frustration we suffered through the same thing with Tex. got nothing for him and that was when the were compensation picks for not trading free agents.

3 years 2 months ago

no way in h e double hockey sticks will simmons be in any trade. im actually for trading Teheran for Grienke. a one for one trade as long as grienke signs an extension.

TheGreatHambino
TheGreatHambino
3 years 2 months ago

Right, and I could live with that deal if we signed Greinke to a reasonable extension. Delgado is clearly the centerpiece and ought to grow into a good pitcher but I see him as a #2/3 at best really with an outside shot at #1 potential (on certain rotations). Gilmartin is doing well so far but Braves could replace him in no time. Terdo would be a solid replacement for 3B/LF when he’s ready, but definitely not untouchable. Just not sure MIL would be completely satisfied with it (then again, three top 10 organizational prospects for a “rental Greinke” is a decent haul for them).

rundmc1981
3 years 2 months ago

I’d rather include Minor instead of Gilmartin. Gilmartin doesn’t have the kind of upside that Minor does, but he’s more consistent, is growing into a strikeout pitcher, and has more control. And if we obtain Greinke, we won’t need many MLB-ready arms considering we’d still have some arms (Medlen, Teheran, Vizcaino down the road, etc.). 

Not to mention I’m not comfortable with dealing a 1st round pick like Gilmartin in a deal where he’s NOT the centerpiece. Seems like a waste.

tomymogo
3 years 2 months ago

But don’t forget the other part of the deal, Nick Amhed a SS playing in A ball is Braves #12 prospect.

As I understand he has a higher upside than Tyler Pastornicky because he is a good defender at SS while Tyler as we saw this year is more of a utility infielder, and probably his natural position is really 2B.

Knowing the Brewers needs, they’re gonna ask for middle infield prospect that can play SS, wether that’s Tyler, Amhed, or both + Minor I don’t really know what it would take for the Brewers to agree. They themselves gave away a good young mlb ready SS in Alcides Escobar to get him + 3 other guys for Greinke’s final two years of his deal, so what can they ask for his final 3 month’s it’s unclear.

3 years 2 months ago

I could be wrong. But I think the days of a top prospect for a rental are over.  I suppose the next few weeks will  show which of us is right.  I just think that there has been a fundamental shift in valuation, and that the market for pending FA’s will be much different this year.

rundmc1981
3 years 2 months ago

As a Braves fan, I’m more frustrated by the fact that Wren (Schuerholz traded for Tex, Wren traded him away) that ATL chose to trade Tex away for essentially nothing (Kotchman, Marek) rather than keeping Tex and gaining the 2 compensatory draft picks they would have gotten when Tex left for NYY at the end of the season. 

LAA kept him and got draft picks #25 and #40 overall in the 2009 draft. Who did they pick? Ummm…just MIKE TROUT and SP Tyler Skaggs (who was key in the trade that sent Haren to LAA). Yeah, it would have been nice to see MIKE TROUT in CF next to Jason Heyward for the next decade. 

rundmc1981
3 years 2 months ago

I can sympathize, but what’s his excuse for all the other games compiling 3 BB per and allowing 18 HR on the season? He runs from a quality start like it’s the plague. 

tomymogo
3 years 2 months ago

The long ball and walks have been an issue, but he has pitched better than his ERA indicates, his xfip says he should have a 4.60 ERA instead of his 6.14 ERA.

Slopeboy
3 years 2 months ago

Yankees are not going to trade for Greinke. They passed on him before and will do so again. Whether his social anxiety issue is valid or not, they feel he is not suited for NY. Cashman has already stated that they will fill their SP needs from within.
CC Sabathia will return in two weeks and they have Garcia, Phelps as well as another minor leaguer to take over the 5th spot.

johnsilver
3 years 2 months ago

 Nice.. Yet another NYY fan who crawls out of the wood work after they get on top and then starts blabbing away about how they “knew it all along”..

How both Boston and the NYY have soooo many of those and your posts of today do not differentiate you any from the others…

Please.. Calm down, or hide with the termites in the paneling for a bit longer. The season is not quite half over ok?

BostonRedSox777
3 years 2 months ago

 maybe you should see his last 5 games played… He has really improved every game, so either you don’t know wth your talking about or… your just afraid, plus the rotation is a lot better now then in the beginning of the year. I was a bit worried at first but now, i could see how if all the pieces came together how great this team can be.

BostonRedSox777
3 years 2 months ago

I would much rather start off bad and play better in the end than the other way around. The AL east is not so easy as you make it sound honestly 4 teams are capable of being in first in this ridiculous hard division, Ny can easily be one of those teams, just like Boston and both can easily miss the playoffs. I like Boston chances, anytime you get a lot of injured players back that are good… is always a good thing, if you say other wise your just in denial.

BoSoXaddict
3 years 2 months ago

 Yup.

lefty177
3 years 2 months ago

Those fans that gave up on the Sox when they had a terrible April are fair weather fans, real Red Sox fans knew we’d turn it around & look at that…we did