Latest On Ryan Dempster

8:26pm: The Cubs and Dodgers are still discussing scenarios involving Dempster and Soriano, Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports reports (on Twitter).  The Dodgers repeated today that they won't trade Webster for Dempster, Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports (on Twitter).

4:57pm: There hasn't been any recent dialogue between the Dodgers and Cubs, ESPN.com's Buster Olney reports (on Twitter).

2:41pm: Dodgers pitching prospects Zach Lee, Allen Webster, and Chris Reed are all off the table in Dempster talks, tweets Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus.

1:41pm: Talks between the Dodgers and Cubs for Dempster are gaining momentum, reports Scott Miller of CBS Sports.  The Cubs are trying to bend over backwards to get Dempster to the Dodgers, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.

1:09pm: The Nationals have positioned themselves as the perfect fallback option for the Cubs on Dempster, reports ESPN's Jayson Stark.  It's unknown whether Dempster would approve a trade to the Nats.

12:08pm: The Cubs and Dodgers are still discussing righty Ryan Dempster, tweets Yahoo's Tim Brown.  Left fielder Alfonso Soriano remains part of these trade talks, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.  The Dodgers are said to be Dempster's first choice, and he controls the process with 10-and-5 rights.  Yesterday, Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times wrote that the Cubs' failed attempt to obtain pitching prospect Allen Webster from the Dodgers for Dempster left those talks stalemated.  The Dodgers have had an offer on the table for Dempster since July 19th, writes Doug Padilla of ESPNChicago.com.

Last week, the Braves seemed close to acquiring Dempster for Randall Delgado, and Wittenmyer has a few details on that still-vague failed deal.  Dempster said Sunday, "Who’s to say I was going to say no or yes to whatever team.  All I said was that I just, at that time, needed to think about everything."  From the Braves' end, there's no guarantee Delgado would still be available, writes MLB.com's Mark Bowman.


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135 Comments on "Latest On Ryan Dempster"


Dodgerzz
3 years 30 days ago

Delgado might not be available anymore is what I got from this. Is it just me or does it feel like I’ve read the gist of this article before?

rundmc1981
3 years 30 days ago

Well, this is the first time I’ve learned WSH could be in on Dempster.

Natsfan89
3 years 30 days ago

They were rumored to be interested a couple of times but it never seemed serious. Especially with Rizzo saying he isn’t moving top prospects.

notsureifsrs
3 years 30 days ago

longest trade talks ever?

Snoochies8
3 years 30 days ago

I think that honor goes to Adrian Gonzalez to the Red Sox

Seriously, didn’t that happen at a deadline AND THEN in the offseason?

Gumby65
3 years 30 days ago

People for get Kirk Gibson to Dodgers for Pedro Guerrero in 1987 (held up by collusion case). THEN Gibby went to LA as FA

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
3 years 30 days ago

Then he got some pine tar inside his hat in spring training and was so mad about it all season, he just had hit that home run in the series.

melonis_rex
3 years 30 days ago

Roy Halladay to Phillies?

Gumby65
3 years 30 days ago

Jackie Robinson’s estate has yet to approve that trade to the Giants.

Iconoclast17
3 years 30 days ago

Dempster, Soriano, Zambrano (Miami), Marmol—Epstein and Hoyer will still be cleaning up Jim Hendry’s mess for years to come. Even if they can move Soriano they will have to eat almost all that salary for the next two years as they did with Zambrano. At least Dempster’s a FA at year’s end and they could get the comp. picks if Dempster continues to be difficult.

Epstein left his own legacy of failed contracts at Boston—Crawford, Lackey, Beckett and Gonzales isn’t living up to that $160 million, either.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
3 years 30 days ago

Only if they make him a qualified offer and he turns it down. Whether that is a realistic scenario is a wild guess.

Steve Keasling
3 years 30 days ago

coming off his best season as a SP + these crazy markets + playing for a winner next yr = Dempster most likely not accepting the QO. Not really a wild guess.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
3 years 30 days ago

This is the first year of the qualified offer system, so any predictions of outcomes can’t be more than wild guesses.

NL_East_Rivalry
3 years 30 days ago

If he thinks he can get more than the 12-14 mil the QO will be. Pitchers care more about years, so you have to think he wont accept if he can get a 3-year deal or better. I feel the Dodgers will prob overpay in the off-season for him.

Bob Jeffries
3 years 30 days ago

2 of those players you never would;ve thought they would decline like that speaking of Crawford and Gonzalez

JustFatOlMe
3 years 30 days ago

I say Demps isn’t going no where until after post season.

gothamgator
3 years 30 days ago

So you’re saying he is going somewhere?

JustFatOlMe
3 years 30 days ago

Nope.My point was that I don’t think he’ll leave until FA.I don’t think the Cubs will offer an extention.Of course I’ve been wrong before.

erm016
3 years 30 days ago

They’ll offer one to get draft pick compensation.

throwitback85
3 years 30 days ago

Yeah…the Cubs aren’t going to extend Ryan Dempster.

JustFatOlMe
3 years 30 days ago

Guess you got a point there.

Jason_F
3 years 30 days ago

His point was that you used a double negative.

gothamgator
3 years 30 days ago

Delgado should only be available now if Soriano is included and the cubs take on most of their salaries

Steve Keasling
3 years 30 days ago

if push came to shove, Theo probably wouldn’t hesitate to include Sorano to get Delgado.

Ryman5000
3 years 30 days ago

So let me get this straight…You want the Cubs to add a .270, 25+ HR, 90 RBI guy for inconvenience? Doubtful.

gothamgator
3 years 30 days ago

no, not out of inconvenience… The Braves lost a start out of Dempster at this point with the trade not being completed when it was initially made, and he’s given up 7 ER given up in his last 2 starts. His value is dropping.

plus it is obvious that the Dodgers are not willing to part with a prospect anywhere near the level of Delgado. If they want a high caliber prospect now, they should have to pay more for it. It’s silly to think they can get the same deal.

I also didn’t say Delgado would be the only piece, a lower prospect could be included on the Braves end as well, but for someone the level of Delgado to still be included, more would have to come from the Cubs.

gothamgator
3 years 30 days ago

and the latest update, that Lee, Webster, and Reed are all off the table, helps further my point… if you still want a top prospect in return for Dempster, then you have to pay more for it now

BosephHeyden
3 years 30 days ago

Lee and Webster were never on the table for Dempster.

gothamgator
3 years 30 days ago

they haven’t been since the Atlanta deal fell through, true enough, but who’s to say what was on the table before Dempster went and gave the Dodgers all the leverage

rundmc1981
3 years 30 days ago

With no due respect to Soriano, I don’t want to sacrifice our great defensive OF (Prado, Bourn, Heyward) for the defensive liability that Soriano becomes in LF just for a few HRs when you don’t need ’em.

Vivid_Reality
3 years 30 days ago

Fonzi has been very good in the OF this year, 0 errors so far.

gothamgator
3 years 30 days ago

it allows you to play Prado more at 2b and remove the black hole in the batting order that Uggla is from the lineup. Plus, it gives a bridge in LF next year when Prado moves to 3b full time

3 years 30 days ago

The Dodgers should save themselves the trouble. No way they even make the postseason.

thegrayrace
3 years 30 days ago

They’re tied for 1st place, just recently got their star player back from a lengthy stint on the DL, and acquired Hanley Ramirez for 3B (replacing Juan Uribe’s .550 OPS).

They may not advance far without a couple of trades, but chances are very good that they make the postseason.

3 years 30 days ago

If the postseason started today they’d be out, as they will be at the end of the regular season.

thegrayrace
3 years 30 days ago

Still bitter about being swept, eh? Better get used to losing against the Dodgers, you’re not going to be facing us without Ethier, Kemp and Ramirez much anymore.

3 years 30 days ago

Hardly. As a Cub fan I expected them to lose that series. Here’s wishing the Dodgers continued luck this season.

thegrayrace
3 years 30 days ago

The only series the Giants have won against the Dodgers this season was when Kemp and Ellis were out, Ethier was injured, and before the Ramirez/Choate deal. And the Dodgers appear to have a lot more flexibility in making trades, both in terms of payroll and prospects that they’d be willing to part with in the right deal. I wouldn’t bet against the Dodgers right now.

Karkat
3 years 30 days ago

Hmm, if Dempster winds up in DC I might have to stop my “once Stras is shelved everything falls apart” talk…

3 years 30 days ago

There’s a lot more to this team than Strasburg, buddy. For example, the ridiculously consistent pitcher with a 2.3 ERA that nobody ever talks about, and the #5 guy with a 3.0 ERA who could be a 2 or 3 on most teams (or an ace for the Royals or Twins)

Karkat
3 years 30 days ago

I stand by my claim that the Nationals cannot get to the NLCS without Strasburg.

3 years 30 days ago

why does anyone care the cubs arent going to be good for at least 3 years

JakeD
3 years 30 days ago

Because of the prospects they can get in return, part of the future, and it makes good drama.

Goat_Rider
3 years 30 days ago

Because we now have to watch a rebuilding teams for four years instead of three.

Bryan Hunt
3 years 30 days ago

same old news. I dont get this guy. he told cubs staff that he was open to trades to dodgers and braves. then braves come calling and he has to “take time to think about it”. flip flop. Braves would be better off with Delgado working out of the Pen then having this bum on the starting rotation.

erm016
3 years 30 days ago

Exactly. You should be thinking about it from the all-star break to the deadline, that way when the time comes for you to move teams, you’re ready and planned.

It’s not that hard, I’m sure he could hire someone to do it for him. lol

JakeD
3 years 30 days ago

Take it from his point of view: You have a family, a best friend with the Dodgers, a better playoff position with the Dodgers, so why would he want to go to Atlanta? Also, he ( just like everybody, almost) just got off a 80 game stretch, and he gets a 4 day break. Do you think he’d rather spend time with his family, or decide where he’d rather not be traded?

NL_East_Rivalry
3 years 30 days ago

From what he said, he didn’t say no to going to Atlanta, he just didn’t want to pick then. He wanted to wait a week. That to me shows he doesn’t care to help his new team, he just doesn’t want to think about it right now. If what he said was a lie and he wanted to hold out on the Dodgers, then fine. Atlanta can pick him up for a top 15 prospect then.

rundmc1981
3 years 30 days ago

He’s giving LAD the time to complete a trade. They should be able to if LAD really wants Dempster. But, he shouldn’t expect ATL to come calling if things don’t work out with LAD. A part of me wants him to go to WSH and us face him for the NL East title. That would be fun beating him.

NL_East_Rivalry
3 years 30 days ago

Optimistically that would be hilarious and awesome, but looking at it the other way, what if he does sign with the gNats and beat us in the post-season when they weren’t even listed as a team he cared for, though it is closer to Canada? I would love for the Braves to trade for him, if not I hope the Cubs keep him, offer him a QO and he denies and goes to Dodgers on an overpay.

rundmc1981
3 years 30 days ago

Optimistically, there are much better options than Dempster available. I won’t let Dempster change the idea that good young pitching isn’t the best currency in MLB. Delgado could headline a deal for someone better (Dempster is on the decline, already) that is more controllable. If not, he’d be a great 4th starter.

Andrew Cartwright
3 years 30 days ago

Like who? Josh Johnson isn’t getting traded to the Braves. James Shields is struggling and not necessarily available at a reasonable price. Garza won’t pitch til after the deadline and the Cubs are not going to trade him at a discount. There are no other options available.

Update: Which is why the Braves traded for Paul Maholm.

throwitback85
3 years 30 days ago

The “bum” who has the second best ERA in all of baseball. Naw, he wouldn’t be of any help.

sdsuphilip
3 years 30 days ago

ERA is largely irrelevant.

Ryman5000
3 years 30 days ago

How is only giving up 2.25 runs a game irrelevant? So you’re telling me a team is just as likely to win if they throw a guy on the hill with an ERA of 4.50 instead of Dempster?

gothamgator
3 years 30 days ago

because a lot of other things factor into how many ER’s a pitcher gives up… looking at his xFIP, a much better way to evaluate a pitcher’s performance, he’s not a top 30 pitcher this year

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
3 years 30 days ago

Sorry but xFIP is a pretty goofy stat. It is concerned almost entirely with HR rate, which is hardly a complete measure of pitching performance. In fact the best evidence that it means anything useful is that it correlates closely to ERA. The comment that no one stat tells you everything you need to know is the best point made here. This is true not just in baseball, but for anything else in the world that can be measured statistically.

gamemusic3
3 years 30 days ago

xFIP actually completely ignores HRs.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
3 years 30 days ago

Not really. It only tries to get to the same HR prediction by other means. According to Fangraphs: “It’s calculated in the same way as FIP, except it replaces a pitcher’s home run total with an estimate of how many home runs they should have allowed.”

NL_East_Rivalry
3 years 30 days ago

ERA is just like any other stat, a tool to be used, not depended upon.

Bryan Hunt
3 years 30 days ago

he is MLBs Dwight Howard. sure he has the privilege of shooting down a trade, but if you flat out say “I AM OPEN TO TRADES TO THE BRAVES” and they offer a trade that the Cubs wanted to take, then don’t mull around the decision. Eat your breakfast and pack your bags.

His second half ERA will be 4.5. If he doesnt land on the DL. Watch.

throwitback85
3 years 30 days ago

Dwight Howard is a premiere player. That’s quite the compliment to Dempster, albeit an illogical one. And thanks for showing me the future, Miss Cleo.

Bryan Hunt
3 years 30 days ago

yea, both divas. anytime.

throwitback85
3 years 30 days ago

So your argument ends there? Pretty convincing.

esasc4
3 years 30 days ago

I would like some other team to come in and drive the price up to the dodgers.

Frank Lapidus
3 years 30 days ago

Well, why aren’t they?

NatFan05
3 years 30 days ago

Adding Dempster would make sense for the Nationals, except that it goes against Rizzo’s motto of adding players at the deadline who will help the Nationals for multiple years, I can’t see Dempster resigning with the Nationals if they acquired him in a trade.

Seems more and more likely Strasburg’s going to be shutdown close to 180 innings, Dempster would fit into his rotation spot for about a handful of starts at the end of the year and if the Nationals make the playoffs a rotation of Zimm, Gio, Dempster, Jackson/Detwiler is pretty solid

NL_East_Rivalry
3 years 30 days ago

Really cheap/good pitchers usually make exceptions to mottos and creeds. Whether Dempster is that, who’s to say.

3 years 30 days ago

I really wouldn’t want Dempster to go to the Nats. The way I see it, he has nowhere to go but down in the second half and we’d be giving up prospects for a short-term rental, which, as you said, Rizzo doesn’t like. I’m perfectly fine with Lannan making a few spot starts down the stretch, he’s a solid #5. And he’s good against the Braves so that’s a plus.

3 years 30 days ago

I agree 100% Lannan and the current farm is a better value than Dempster for 2-3 months.

Bob Jeffries
3 years 30 days ago

I am praying to the baseball gods for Dodgers to take Dempster and Soriano so we can get some pitching prospects

Dodgerzz
3 years 30 days ago

The Dodgers don’t have that many. They’ll probably end up swallowing some huge contracts in exchange for fewer prospects.

Jake Willock
3 years 30 days ago

That doesn’t make any sense at all. The Cubs are willing to eat all but $2M of Soriano’s remaining contract and all of Dempster’s contract for the sole reason of getting a very sought after pitching prospect(s). They don’t care about eating the money this year and writing it off as a sunk cost.

sdsuphilip
3 years 30 days ago

and the dodgers don’t want to depleat a already weak farm system, cubs dont have many options.

Ryman5000
3 years 30 days ago

Sure they do…They can hold onto Dempster till season’s end, make him a qualifying offer, then when he turns it down they’ll get a comp pick which would likely be better than whatever lowball offer the Dodgers are trying to pull off. The Dodgers are the ones that need a starting pitcher.

stl_cards16
3 years 30 days ago

Or they can hold onto him, make him a qualifying offer, then we accepts it because his value will take a big hit with a pick attached to him, they can play this same game again next year!

Jake Willock
3 years 30 days ago

It’s like a game of Chess!

Ryman5000
3 years 30 days ago

Except that there will be plenty of contenders willing to offer a two or three year deal to a guy who will be potentially coming off of the best season of his career. He has also made it obvious that he is only willing to be traded to a contender, so it’s likely that he would want to sign with a contender as well. That wouldn’t be the Cubs next year.

sdsuphilip
3 years 30 days ago

Well he has made it clear his first option is he wants to stay with the cubs and he would get about 12 mill if he accepts the qualifying offer, far more than per year he would get on the market.

Ryman5000
3 years 30 days ago

If the Cubs were to offer him a multi-year deal, then yeah…I’m sure he’d choose the Cubs. But I have a feeling he values long-term security a little more, which is not something the Cubs should offer.

Dodgerzz
3 years 30 days ago

That’s correct, which begs the question of how the Dodgers and Cubs are compatible trading partners.

Payaso
3 years 30 days ago

GAINING MOMENTUM!!!

thegrayrace
3 years 30 days ago

This just in: talks are between the Dodgers and Cubs are losing momentum.

Payaso
3 years 30 days ago

The Cubs are trying to bend over backwards to get Dempster to the Dodgers, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
3 years 30 days ago

Can you feel the momentum?

tommyhilfigure
3 years 30 days ago

In the words of America’s most beloved funnyman, lets “Git R Done”

downanddirty
3 years 30 days ago

Hope, if he signs off on a trade, they get his signature notarized and in front of witnesses…

Daniel O´Meany
3 years 30 days ago

How about Allen Webster Juan Rodríguez and let’s say US$ 16 MM for Dempster & Soriano…. Seems fair to me….

esasc4
3 years 30 days ago

hahhaha, wonder what dempster is thinking? his vaulted dodgers wont even give up a third rate pitching prospect for him! hahahaha. Thats how much they value you demp.

throwitback85
3 years 30 days ago

I’m pretty sure they are trying to give up the least possible. And Dempster is probably thinking he’s going to get what he wanted, a trade to the Dodgers.

cubs223425
3 years 30 days ago

If I worked for the Cubs, I wouldn’t give him it. I’d tell him he can go anywhere BUT the Dodgers at this point, because any team could offer much more than the scrub prospects the Dodgers are trying to offer.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
3 years 30 days ago

Which pretty much explains why you don’t work for the Cubs.

cubs223425
3 years 30 days ago

What, you’d trade him to the Dodgers for junk, rather than get a decent pick for him in the offseason?
I’m glad you don’t either.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
3 years 30 days ago

You said you’d make him stay with the Cubs just for spite. I was responding to that. Now that you bring up draft compensation, I hope you know that this is not guaranteed anymore.

cubs223425
3 years 30 days ago

I never said it was out of spite. I said “because any team could offer much more than the scrub prospects the Dodgers are trying to offer.” We’re getting offered garbage by the Dodgers, so I’d tell him he can go anywhere else, because I doubt anyone could make a worse offer.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
3 years 29 days ago

Spite by any other name is still spite. You make the assumption that the Dodgers are offering garbage. You don’t know who the Dodgers are offering. One thing you can be sure of is that they are likely to be one or two mid-A level players. A draft pick, even assuming the Cubs get one, will be, at most, one player. The results could easily be less valuable than the known quantities offered by the Dodgers. This is what team GMs need to think about, even if fans do not.

cubs223425
3 years 29 days ago

It’s nothing in the realm of spite. The Cubs had a good offer with Atlanta, and Dempster said no. The Dodgers were offering a terrible deal, and so the Cubs should tell Dempster no. It’s not about spite, it’s about getting fair compensation for his services.
Was the Cardinals’ decisions to not keep Pujols out of spite? No, it’s because they did not see the deal on the table as a fair one. It’s the same thing here–the Dodgers were likely offering the worst deal of anyone, and that’s why they didn’t get (and shouldn’t have gotten) Dempster. If they had been reasonable with their offers, I wouldn’t mind, but management in L.A. was too busy trying to screw the Cubs to get a fair deal done.
If what the Dodgers was offered was AT ALL decent, a deal likely would have been made, but it wasn’t. I said they should tell Demspter he can’t go to the Dodgers because they were offering crap, not because I was mad at him. I didn’t like what he did, but it was within his rights and I’m not upset because of it.

esasc4
3 years 30 days ago

the poor ole cubs will end up with a bat boy and 2 boxes of balls for dempster and soriano.

Frank Lapidus
3 years 30 days ago

How’d that Garza trade work out?

Jeff Snedden
3 years 30 days ago

Now the Dodgers are just preying on the Cubs vulnerability. A fan base that expected this to be a franchise-changing trade deadline, and players that have lost significant trade value over the last week. Garza is hurt, Dempster has handcuffed Chicago, and now its the 11th hour and the Dodgers pull anything worthwhile off the table. Very tough reality pill about to be swallowed in Wrigleyville.

cubs223425
3 years 30 days ago

Yeah, all of that hype over Epstein and Hoyer was rather unwarranted, in my opinion. I wasn’t all that crazy about getting them, but I had hope. Now they’ve done their best to make worse decisions than Jim Hendry, and it’s succeeding. The Cubs are managing to ruin the trade value of every asset they have.

JakeD
3 years 30 days ago

Is it possible to make a worse decision than him? No, Theo and Co. have done a great job so far just by Almora and Soler.

cubs223425
3 years 30 days ago

Jim Hendry got Castro and Baez. Oh, and should we just ignore what Concepcion’s off doing with that sub-5 K/9?

Wash_Williams
3 years 30 days ago

Epstein/Hoyer traded Dempster for Delgado. That’s a fantastic deal. Not much they can do if Dempster wigs out and goes back on his word. Or if Garza gets injured.

Really, Cubs fans are making too big a deal out of this. Garza can still be moved in the offseason. No one was expecting to get that much from Dempster, Maholm, Soto, Soriano, etc.

Dempster could have just said upfront he wouldn’t accept a trade anywhere. It might have made Dempster look like less of a jerk, but the Cubs would be in the same position as they are now.

cubs223425
3 years 30 days ago

Epstein and/or Hoyer should have been talking with Dempster while talking with Atlanta. They shouldn’t have made a deal, THEN ask him. They asked before negotiations started, but we don’t know how far in advance. They should have had him on-board before a deal was agreed upon.
Yes, they can trade Garza in the offseason, but that’s a playoff run of trade value that they have lost as a result. Then, if he finsihes poorly, his value drops significantly. To build it back up, they’d have to wait until the summer of 2013 to trade him, when he’s lost the ability to net a draft pick, which would hurt his value. Right now was BY FAR the safest time to trade him. They pretty much need Garza to be ace-like in the second half to save them.
I wasn’t expecting much for Maholm, Soto, or Soriano, no. I wasn’t expecting much for LaHair, either. However, when you talk 5-6 small pieces, you start getting something more out of that. Instead, we’re sitting here just before July 31st, and the Cubs have nothing to show for their efforts.

Wash_Williams
3 years 29 days ago

From just about every account I’ve read from several different sources citing several different people, Dempster told everyone he was on board with going to the Braves, he was kept in the loop the entire time, and for whatever reason simply changed his mind at the last minute.

There is absolutely nothing Epstein or Hoyer can do about that.

3 years 30 days ago

I love how these “rumors” get spread now on Twitter