Josh Johnson Rumors: Wednesday

The Marlins are willing to listen on most of their players, including Josh Johnson. But there’s no guarantee they’ll deal the 28-year-old right-hander, who is under contract for 2013. While his salary has risen to $13.75MM, he’s still an attractive commodity to teams seeking starting pitching such as the Rangers and Blue Jays. Here are the latest rumors on Johnson:

  • Executives expect the Marlins to trade Johnson, Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets. The Rangers are viewed as the favorites to acquire him.
  • Executives expect the Angels, Orioles, Blue Jays and Rangers to push for Johnson, Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports tweets.
  • The Rangers haven't yet agreed to surrender Olt in a trade for Johnson, Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News tweets.
  • The Marlins had not intended to trade both Hanley Ramirez and Johnson, but that stance could be changing given the interest in Johnson, ESPN.com's Buster Olney tweets
  • The Rangers are one of the teams actively pursuing Johnson, Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports. They'd be willing to trade top prospect Mike Olt for Johnson, Nightengale writes.
  • There’s a 50-50 chance the Marlins move Johnson, MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro reports (on Twitter). The Marlins are holding out for a great offer.
  • There should be a “feeding frenzy” for Johnson, an executive tells Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com (on Twitter).
  • The Rangers would like to add an elite starter and ESPN.com’s Buster Olney suggests they’ll pursue Johnson. The Rangers could also ask about Cliff Lee and Zack Greinke, Olney writes (Twitter link).


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67 Comments on "Josh Johnson Rumors: Wednesday"


tomymogo
3 years 1 month ago

I would love to see if Braves can get him, but Marlins vs Braves……not gonna happen

Running Scared
3 years 1 month ago

cough cough Dan Uggla………….

JoePetchonka
3 years 1 month ago

Why are the Marlins selling all of their players? This makes no sense to me. They just got a new stadium, signed all of these new players…Etc.

What was the point of signing all of those free agents and building a new stadium if you’re not even going to wait until after next year to see how these guys do?

WisBrave
3 years 1 month ago

Yeah usually they wait till after they wins the world series.

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

Their plan fell apart. They started the offseason all strong and bold and then absolutely fizzled. As soon as they stopped performing, it just became a disaster and now they’re trying to salvage it.

baseballz
3 years 1 month ago

I just don’t understand why they don’t can Ozzie. In most sports if your highly talented team is fizzling you get a new manager, you don’t trade all the players your manager doesnt like in order to change clubhouse chemistry. Get rid of Ozzie and then see what happens. Geez is a rookie manager can take over the Pale house and turn that franchise around isn’t the proof in the pudding ?

jwsox
3 years 1 month ago

becuase for some reason their owner loves him, trust me if they continue to play bad next year, all the players will be tired of ozzies act(much like that what happened in chicago) they will fire ozzie within a year or two if they dont make it to the post season.

coolstorybro222
3 years 1 month ago

because the team was terrible even before Ozzie came along.

jwsox
3 years 1 month ago

because they are bad, playing badly, have a horrible clubhouse(ozzie will not help this) and their attendance is beginning to drop. The second they lost stanton they lost the possibility of making the post season. It makes sense to sell off they are just doing it a year or two earlier than most people thought.

3 years 1 month ago

If I were the Cardinals I would deal Miller for Johnson.

3 years 1 month ago

Would straight up be enough?

Encarnacion's Parrot
3 years 1 month ago

Probably not, but it would be a great start.

Justin
3 years 1 month ago

Agree and throw in cox for another player

patburn
3 years 1 month ago

I would love to see Rangers get him. Then the Braves wouldn’t have to deal with him anymore.

rikersbeard
3 years 1 month ago

Going to be tough for teams to beat a package starting with Olt. I would love to see the Jays try, but I would hate to see it involve TDA. IT would probably have to beat the Rangers in terms of # of quality pitching prospects.

rikersbeard
3 years 1 month ago

Maybe build a package on Nicolino/Syndergaard, Gose, Hech,

Patrick Beliveau
3 years 1 month ago

I dont know if it’ll require one of the big 3… but Gose is needed with Bonifacio moving to the IF… I think something built around Gose and Escobar with maybe McGuire or Jenkins added in. It’ll be hard to top Texas if they are dangling Olt though…

john
3 years 1 month ago

if i were a rangers fan i would make an all out push for Jon Lester could you imagine what Maddox could do for him! this guy is also only 28 doesnt have the injury history of a johnson and has proven himself in the AL East. If i am giving up my best prospects Lester is my guy

john
3 years 1 month ago

of course i Have seen him pitch. I also look at career numbers and projections and I think Lester with a little help from Mr. Maddox will be your front line starter plus he has a team friendly contract i believe for longer then Johnson

YanksFanSince78
3 years 1 month ago

I could see the Yanks making a run for him. I don’t know if other teams still see Banuelos as an elite prospect. It’s not so much the level of production as he’s still just 21 and in his 2nd season at AAA but his non-arm related injuries have kept him off the field for most of the season. Maybe something like…..

Banuelos (SP)-Phelps-(SP)-Joseph (2B)-Santana (CF)+Gamel (LF/RF)

If it can get done w/o giving up Mason Williams, Tyler Austin or Dante Bichette then I think I could live with moving Banuelos, even though I still think he’ll be a solid FOR guy if he can just get 150 innings in one season at AAA.

Sabathia-Johnson-Kuroda-Nova-Hughes with Pineda coming back in 2013 would be nice.

Sean Murphy
3 years 1 month ago

You have to remember that Pettitte is coming back in a few weeks, and after having his comeback season (in which he was pitching like he was 25 again) shortened by a freak injury, he’ll likely want to come back again next year and make a run at one more WS. Kuroda was brought in on a one year deal as a stop-gap and hasn’t pitched the way he was pitching in LA. He won’t be back next year.

That said, a rotation of CC-Johnson-Pineda-Pettitte-Nova is about as good as it gets, assuming Pineda rebounds from his injury and puts up the velocity he was showing in the first half of last season, and can handle the media scrutiny. Top that off with the greatest closer in the history of the game (hopefully) coming back next year, and the Yankees are the team to beat. I’d still like to see them go out and trade for a guy like Justin Upton, or land Josh Hamilton in the offseason but I don’t see the latter happening.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 1 month ago

Kuroda probably won’t be back next year but I have ZERO complaints. He has a 3.34 ERA and a 3.88 FIP. Not sure if you’re dissapointed by that. As for Pettite, it’s not a smart move to count on him being as good as he was before the injury. Hughes you didn’t even bother to mention.

sdsuphilip
3 years 1 month ago

Why would the Marlins want a future reliever as the main piece for a trade for josh johnson?

YanksFanSince78
3 years 1 month ago

Because most don’t see him as a reliever maybe?

bigpat
3 years 1 month ago

Getting Olt for JJ would be great for Miami, especially considering they essentially gave away Hanley, they need to get something in return for the players they are trading away.

Miami is going to need some players though and they have very little depth to replace the guys they were trading away. I guess they aren’t committed to being a contender in the future, but with Hanley’s money off the books, I guess they can spend money elsewhere now but there are barely any free agents left. BJ Upton??

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

I have a hard time imagining a world where Josh Johnson is not in texas by the end of the week. Much better fit than Greinke for them, imo.

jwsox
3 years 1 month ago

how is JJ an oft injured #2 maybe #3 at best(at this point) coming from a pitchers park to a hitters park who has never pitched in the AL better than a true ACE#1 who pitches in a hitter park(roof open) and has AL experience?

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

I don’t know what to say when you’re doing things like calling Zack Greinke “a true ACE#1″

Remember92
3 years 1 month ago

I would just like to take moment to thank the Marlins for playing trade deadline Santa this year. Waiting for JL to come sliding down the chimney at any moment now

Lunchbox45
3 years 1 month ago

The reality is the rangers have the best disposable prospects in the league, meaning they could actually part with some pretty good pieces and not have to worry since their on field team is so elite.
Add to the fact they have lost back to back world series, and i really can’t see a team like the jays being as aggressive as the rangers. Rightfully so

Encarnacion's Parrot
3 years 1 month ago

The Jays should be just as aggressive though. They’re still in it this year, and would be very well set-up for a great run next season. d’Arnaud really should be the only untouchable prospect in any trade scenario for the type of pitcher JJ is.

Michael
3 years 1 month ago

Josh Beckett for Carlos Zambrano. Beckett would probably enjoy going back, while Carlos would be, well, interesting….and he could DH!!

Cauê Carneiro
3 years 1 month ago

I know Beckett sucks (and i am a Sox fan), but for Zambrano? Are you crazy?

Brandon Smith
3 years 1 month ago

I could see that…he DH’s for 4 days, pitches the next lol

jwsox
3 years 1 month ago

Z has a full no trade, he loves batting and loves ozzie there is no way he ever goes to the AL

NYBravosFan10
3 years 1 month ago

I would love to see this big dog in a braves uniform but I dunno if the Marlins would do that.

WillieMayEsHayes
3 years 1 month ago

Does anyone know if the braves have looked into JJ?

elscorcho the marlin
3 years 1 month ago

very depressing day as a marlins fan. can’t take another fire sale.

txftw
3 years 1 month ago

I seem to remember the rumor of Feliz, Perez, and Holland for Josh Johnson either a year or two ago, so would Feliz, Perez, and a lower level position player be enough? Would the Marlins write a check to get some actual talent in return? (Considering they failed to in the Hanley trade)

jwsox
3 years 1 month ago

there is no way the rangers trade feliz anymore

txftw
3 years 1 month ago

Why is that? IMO he doesn’t really have a spot on the team and he is still valuable enough to get someone that can play a huge role in winning a world series

OptimisticMarlinsFan
3 years 1 month ago

After trading Hanley and not getting much back, I think JJ needs to be dealt right now. His value won’t ever be this high again IMO and he is only going to decline. Trade him to Boston, Texas, Toronto for whoever has the best package of prospects in their offer. Trading him now is a MUST.

rikersbeard
3 years 1 month ago

Your trade proposals sound light.

3 years 1 month ago

Only way this happens is if Philly eats a significant portion of Lee’s contract.

rikersbeard
3 years 1 month ago

but he is still an ace and Miami will probably not except any compensation less. There are probably also enough interested teams that they can get what they want.

Most likely it would have to involve a lansing arm, Gose, and maybe Hech or something else.

Encarnacion's Parrot
3 years 1 month ago

The Lee one sounds about right, maybe even a tad heavy. He’s making a lot of money and is aging.

JJ is more like: Gose + ??? + ???, and possible another + ???, even with his injury troubles. He’s got a year left, isn’t horribly expensive if his injury issues arise again, and can work out an extension if he stays healthy. Whoever (if someone) picks him up, they also get 2 draft picks if he walks for FA – if I understand the CBA correctly.

rikersbeard
3 years 1 month ago

particularly if Rangers are offering something with Olt.

Eric Silva
3 years 1 month ago

To a normal team those are light, however look at the pathetic package the Marlins just took back for Hanley and Choate. Eovaldi is a #4 starter at best and that was the big prospect the Dodgers gave up.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 1 month ago

The Texas would be stupid. Lee certainly has stuggled more than expected but he is still a #1 or #2 on most teams and if he can be had for a 24 year old who hasn’t played above AA and has a career whiff rate of 24% then you make that deal all day and twice on sundays. The ONLY hold up would be trying to offset some of his salary. I would try and see if I can send the Phillies back some salary as well.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 1 month ago

Dude…seriously? Jon Lester isn’t bringing back top prospects? You undervalue what a guy like Lester can do and yet act as if Olt is a proven commodity without risk of failure.

Encarnacion's Parrot
3 years 1 month ago

It’s plausible, but the Jays maybe didn’t trade any of their prospects for Hanley because they have another trade in the works – also plausible.

For all we know though, the Jays may even have their limits on how much of a headcase guys supposedly are haha.

3 years 1 month ago

No, they would laugh and hang up because of the contract. Not his recent performance. That’s too big for a top prospect. A good comparison would be when the Jays dumped Wells. They basically got frank fransisco for him. Not Mike Olt.

3 years 1 month ago

There’s 0 chance someone with a career ERA closer to 4 than 3 brings back Mike Olt. Especially in the midst of such an awful season. If you think he should then I’ve got a Michael Young trade you will love to hear.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 1 month ago

He certainly isn’t as good as he was in 2009 and 2010 but he still has a 4.00 FIP pitching in the AL East. He still throws very hard and is signed to a team friendly 2/$25 mil deal. He certainly will fetch a nice package of prospects. Not saying a Profar or Bundy type of prospect but certainly a couple of top 100 guys.

johnsilver
3 years 1 month ago

LOL. Nah, you are 100% correct Guillen isn’t the reason any of those guys have been struggling up until 2012 at least but he just may be the reason the 2012 reason is 100% awful.

what a useless manager, who should have never been hired in the 1st place and within the 1st week of taking over the team at Miami had alienated part of the home crowd.. Proving once again how useless he is.

The guy should have stayed in Chicago, just like another guy I know..

jwsox
3 years 1 month ago

he did keep trotting Bell out there while he was struggling, and he ever really sat hanley down to get a mental break.

johnsilver
3 years 1 month ago

You have been knocking on JJ, Lester and others for a few days now. Players have bad years and still bring back top “dollar” so to say. JJ will/is the top SP on the market right now and is ACE quality. I suggest you watch him start a few games before demeaning him and just relying solely on stats. It’s why teams send scouts to game.. Stats are just small samples of a players ability and why scouts/eyes are still the best way to view a players ability.

Edit:

Not trying to sound harsh there.. just JJ is it. He has the talent over Garza for sure and control over Grienke as well as stuff when he is “normal”.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 1 month ago

Because Lester currently has a 4.18 FIP while pitching in the AL East vs 2 of the top run scoring teams in baseball in the Yanks and Jays? Maybe because he pitches in a hitter friendly park and has a 3.04 ERA and 3.29 FIP away from Fenway? Maybe because he’s playing in a real intense and dramatic clubhouse and might perform better in a change of scenery? Look at the difference in AJ Burnett last year with the Yanks to now with the Pirates.

I mean if 2 months of Annibal Sanchez got the Marlins Jacob Turner how does 3/$31 of Lester not get them something better?

johnsilver
3 years 1 month ago

Gotcha T_Ranger..

For the record? I hope JJ skips past Arlington. LOL He’s one of my favorite Marlins.. The guy is probably going to get traded, but man.. Him in that rotation is scary…

johnsilver
3 years 1 month ago

That is the scary part.. JJ in that rotation. key would be his health. mentioned this yesterday. I watch most of the marlins games and his velocity hasn’t been “straight” 95+ all season, but 92-94 some games and 95+ in others. Haven’t heard if anything is wrong, one poster here said was normal, but don’t recall JJ having anything like this before, always was higher all games, sometimes he was 97+ late innings on occasion.

I been wondering if he is having blisters many times again, which he has had problems with in the past, Beckett had a serious problem with those when he was with the Fish, maybe even another nagging injury.. Just dunno what is up with JJ this year cause he don’t seem like himself every game.

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

I have a hard time believing that the Red Sox are really going to trade Lester.

VegasANGELSFan
3 years 1 month ago

They actually got Napoli for him, I am depressingly sad to say. They then traded Napoli for Francisco…

YanksFanSince78
3 years 1 month ago

Please don’t compare the two.

Wells when traded…..5.3 WAR in his last 3 seasons in Toronto.

Lee right now…..16.2 WAR in this current and the 2 previous seasons. Even now, Lee is on pace to out WAR what Wells was when traded. (wow….lot of w’s there).

greg porco
3 years 1 month ago

Mark Buerhle has been just fine and Jose Reyes is back to his usual form after a dismal April/May.

Heath Bell is overvalued at all levels of pay at this point, no one would have predicted that, noone. I think the fish are smart using him how that are at this point. He admits he is doing poorly. Thats the risk of long term contracts.

OptimisticMarlinsFan
3 years 1 month ago

Think the Rangers get JJ? I hope they do because I want Olt on this team very badly.

OptimisticMarlinsFan
3 years 1 month ago

I just hope the Marlins do trade him, I think they have to now. Getting any package from the Rangers will be good, but I hope it includes Olt.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 1 month ago

Wow..you’re going to push me to defend a Red Sox player huh?

a) Lester’s 3.75 career ERA and 3.71 FIP came in the AL East,
b) Mike Olt is a good looking prospect but let’s please remember that he’s 24 years old, hasn’t played above AA and has a career whiff rate of about 24%. Who knows if he’ll be able to handle advanced pitching.
c) and maybe this should’ve been my initial answer to the “0 chance someone with a career ERA (really…ERA??) closer to 4 than 3 brings back Mike Olt” comment…

say hello to Mr. Matt Garza please….

3.84 career ERA, 4.00 career FIP and he brought back a much bigger package than Mike Olt alone.

Chris Archer ranked #27 by BA at the time of trade. Hak Ju-Lee ranked #92 at the time and others vs Mike Olt currently a top 50 by BA.

To say that Lester isn’t worth Olt straight up is crazy. To say that you VALUE Olt more than acquiring Lester then I can MAYBE understand. Even then, you still have Beltre at 3B, Kinsler who will probably have to move to LF/RF to make room for Profar/Andrus and Hamilton and Cruz somewhere in the mix too.