Blue Jays’ 2015 Option On Gibbons Is Now Guaranteed

The 2015 option in the contract of Blue Jays manager John Gibbons is now guaranteed, writes Ben Nicholson-Smith of Sportsnet.ca, by operation of a unique clause in his deal. Designed to avoid a "lame duck" situation, the clause guarantees Gibbons' option because he was not fired before the start of the new year.

As the clause further provides, Toronto also acquires a 2016 option to retain Gibbons. In essence, as Nicholson-Smith explains, the contract is something of a "perpetual two-year deal": should Gibbons hold on through January 1, 2015, the same clause would again be triggered in like manner.

Under Gibbons last year, the Jays disappointed with a 74-88 record. The once-and-current Toronto skipper says he hopes to have his club prepared for a fast start to the season coming out of Spring Training. Last year, he noted, the team was "buried" in the division early on. 


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  1. bman 1 year ago

    I like Gibby! Sounds like Boomhauer.

  2. Runtime 1 year ago

    They did dig themselves an early grave.

    However, they were back in the thick of things when they won 11 in a row. I don’t recall what happened after that though…

    I’ve successfully repressed those memories.

    • BooJays33 1 year ago

      they went on the road to tampa bay and boston and got HAMMERED…i think they won 1 game between both series…

  3. rikersbeard 1 year ago

    Cue ill-informed comments of him needing to be fired in 3, 2, 1…

    • Runtime 1 year ago

      Nah man… They are too busy talking about Dion Phaneuf’s “terrible” contract extension.

      Just wait until hockey season is over.

      • arock1234 1 year ago

        hey man. not all canadians are blinded by hockey season. we pay attention.

        • Runtime 1 year ago

          but if a Jays fan falls in a forest and there is no Jays talk to hear him…

    • itstheduke 1 year ago

      Why “ill-informed”? Being a manager is not just about “how you handle your bullpen.” It’s also about having some charisma and being a leader so that the players will play for you. Gibbons has exactly zero charisma. He will be fired despite his “guaranteed option” (probably about the same time that AA is fired).

      • Erin Carr 1 year ago

        Could Gibbons charisma stop Happ from being hit in the head by a Desomond Jennings line drive, or could it have stopped Morrow and Johnson from being injured most of the season? Maybe If Gibby was a “proven winner” Reyes wouldn’t have broken his leg on a fluke play or maybe Bautista would have played 162 games……..

        • itstheduke 1 year ago

          You’re assuming it’s all about injuries and I’m saying it’s not. Happ was replaced by Redmond perfectly well. The Jays didn’t improve with Reyes. Remember the 11 game win streak? It happened when Reyes was out. As soon as he returned they tanked (not saying the tanked because of Reyes, but point being he didn’t help). Bautista was acting like a diva throughout the year, as was Lawrie. It’s up to the manager to put a stop to that stuff, but as I’ve said Gibbons isn’t the guy. No, there’s something more going on than injuries. The culture of the team wasn’t right, and that’s on Gibbons.

    • Peterborough Dave 1 year ago

      Third time’s the charm?

      He needs to be fired!

      :)

    • Erin Carr 1 year ago

      Why can’t all Canadian baseball fans be this rational:(

  4. SanFranPanda 1 year ago

    Don’t worry, the options won’t mean a thing when Gibbons gets fired in June when the Jays are in the basement once again. Anthopoulos will be canned at the end of the season. Brace yourselves Jays’ fans.

    • Hank Murphy 1 year ago

      How does anything think this ISN’T going to happen. I think everything, outside of Gibbons getting canned is a lock. Gibbons won’t be gone until AA is fired.

  5. Brent Nault 1 year ago

    In my opinion, the best way to evaluate a manager is to look at how he uses his bullpen and his bench. And despite the overall results of the team, the Jays got good bench production and had a terrific bullpen. I mean, what else is Gibbons supposed to do? Yell at his players until they hit or pitch better. It doesn’t work that way. The Blue Jays need better starting pitching, not a better manager.

    • itstheduke 1 year ago

      To me managers are a lot like teachers. Yelling at students generally doesn’t work, but certain teachers just have that certain something in their personalities (something that can’t be taught in teachers college) that naturally motivates and inspires. Gibbons doesn’t have it.

      • jb226 1 year ago

        If that’s true, what makes you think that certain something isn’t specific to the player hearing or seeing it? In other words, that you can’t really say whether or not a manager “has it” at all?

        • itstheduke 1 year ago

          You seem to be arguing that the “certain something” is just completely subjective. I disagree. I believe that some people are generally considered to be charismatic, and some aren’t.

          • jb226 1 year ago

            I agree that some people are charismatic. I disagree that charismatic means they “naturally motivate and inspire,” or that one has to be charismatic to do so.

        • WazBazbo 1 year ago

          Because it’s far more likely that one person “doesn’t have it” than a whole team of people?

          • jb226 1 year ago

            In your haste to be clever you completely missed the point.

            My argument is that there IS no “it.” That the ability to inspire and motivate is akin to a lock and a key: If the two fit together it works and if not, it doesn’t, and it’s not the fault of the lock or the key if the two don’t go together. That’s not to say you never replace one or the other for the lack of fit — merely that it isn’t a lacking on either of their parts that causes it.

          • WazBazbo 1 year ago

            I have to respectfully disagree that there is no “it.” Both from a coaching and playing side of the coin, sports history is filled with people who were not necessarily the most talented or most naturally gifted, but found a way to win and/or inspire those around them to win. One of the best examples I can think of is outside of baseball; I’ve read accounts from numerous teammates of Joe Montana from his SF glory days who all said they realized Joe didn’t have the best arm or the best legs or what-all, but when Montana stepped on the field, “he just made us feel like we were going to win.” Some of it is chemistry, yes, but Montana was a pretty solid constant for those 49ers teams. There have been a lot of managers in the history of baseball who have a long and solid reputation as men who consistently get the best from their players, and the reason often cited by players is “he’s a guy you want to play hard for.”

      • rikersbeard 1 year ago

        How do you know that Gibbons doesn’t have it? Because he didn’t make his AAA and AAAA players into stars? Or because he injured his players?

    • Jaysfan724 1 year ago

      I agree with your sentiments and do not believe Gibbons was at fault, but the the herd always tries to find the scapegoat and most of the time it’s pointed to the manager or GM.

      • itstheduke 1 year ago

        Calling people who disagree with you names (“the herd”) shows that your argument has no substance. AA put the team together, so naturally he’s going to bear responsibility. AA has a history of picking up players with injury histories and/or attitude problems. It hasn’t worked out.

        • Jaysfan724 1 year ago

          By the herd I meant the casual fans that freak out over things like minor signings and depth moves by stating the GM should be fired, or those who put sole blame of every team loss on the manager, but fail to praise him when they win.

          “AA put the team together, so naturally he’s going to bear responsibility” – You pretty much reiterated my point…he got players to make this team competitive…he has no control over their performance or whether they get injured; therefore, he’s the scapegoat. And the only 3 guys with attitude problems I see AA picked up was Rasmus, Escobar and Lawrie…all were great acquisitions.

          • JoeyBats13 1 year ago

            Rasmus has attitude problems? I know that he and his dad weren’t a fan of LaRussa’s coaching methods in St. Louis, but that hardly justifies him as having attitude problems.

          • Jaysfan724 1 year ago

            Well I was assuming he was referring to him. I don’t think he does myself. I would have classified the group as “troublesome” more than attitude problems as they all had issues with their previous teams, and AA acquired them figuring a change of scenery would do them better.

  6. Luds 1 year ago

    As a fan of a rival AL East team, this is great news, Gibbons has lost countless games for the Jays last season!

    • ziggy13 1 year ago

      Yep, because a teams record is 100% because of the manager

    • rikersbeard 1 year ago

      Any examples or evidence? Seriously, point to games where you can say that Gibbons lost it. I bet you couldn’t find three let alone countless.

    • DirtyJay 1 year ago

      At least he lost less games than Farrell, now that’s a man who lost countless games for the Jays

  7. itstheduke 1 year ago

    The only thing this guarantee guarantees is that he’s going to get paid through 2015.

  8. ziggy13 1 year ago

    Love how people are calling Gibby a bad manager. Most of his roster underperforming is not his fault. Factors that he could control such as bench and bullpen management were excellent. I’ll take Gibby over Farrell any day of the week (BOS vastly over performed in 2013)

    • AJCBE 1 year ago

      And in 2008 the Jays just coincidentally under performed under Gibbons and coincidentally over performed under Gaston? Leadership matters a lot more than you people want to admit. Gibbons laissez faire style is a bad fit for this team. I think he’d work well with a veteran group with a core that’s been together, but this team needs some direction.

      • JoeyBats13 1 year ago

        Small sample size with Cito. Check what happened during the 2009 season with a full year of Cito.

        • AJCBE 1 year ago

          Fair enough. But in 2010 they were back to “over-performing” considering that roster. I’m not saying gibbons is a bad manager, I just don’t like the fit with this particular team.

          • JoeyBats13 1 year ago

            I wouldn’t say they over-performed in 2010. Romero, Marcum, Morrow and Cecil were a good 1-4 in the rotation that year and they had breakout seasons from Bautista and Buck, plus Wells managed to stay healthy and be productive. The team was also quite healthy throughout the season.

      • RichW 1 year ago

        Hard to imagine a more veteran group than the Jays last year. What style would you adopt with a veteran group such as this?

        Not sure what you mean about direction.

        • AJCBE 1 year ago

          I didn’t mind the gibbons hiring at first, but it’s clear these players don’t deserve a manager that’s going to give them free reign. IMO they need someone who’s going to whip them into shape. They showed poor discipline and I don’t think Gibby’s the guy to fix it.

          • RichW 1 year ago

            So you don’t actually have anything?

    • pft2 1 year ago

      When the team consistently underperforms, you look towards the manager. I wonder if the Blue Jays lackluster offseason comes from free agents not wanting to play for a guy who assaulted his own player.

      This is like the Red Sox giving Bobby V another shot and extending him.

      • RichW 1 year ago

        Pretty strange reaction when the player involved says he thinks Gibbons did the right thing.

  9. WazBazbo 1 year ago

    That’s a very unique contract… I don’t recall anyone else ever having a clause like that.

  10. He was so excited he pushed Ted Lilly over to celebrate.

  11. LInkcat 1 year ago

    Perhaps a late June early July trigger date. for a following year option, would have been better for the team. Guessing Gibbons did not have a tonne of leverage in negotiations considering the Jays were the only team that i’m aware of that were even considering him as an option for there top spot. This Appx. trigger date would have the manager coming out of the gate swinging, fighting for the for the best first half record possible. While if they remain in the hunt going into the second half. Just the will to win alone would keep him hungry.

    • WazBazbo 1 year ago

      I honestly can’t imagine that there’s a single manager in MLB (or most levels, for that matter) who isn’t hungry to win every game right out of the gate.

  12. Hank Murphy 1 year ago

    All ready for another last place finish in 2014 with eyes on 5th for 2015.

  13. itstheduke 1 year ago

    Every team deals with injury, so no one’s going to cry the Jays a river for having injuries. And did you see their defense and baserunning? And did you watch the players’ inane and inappropriate celebrations while they were on 6 game losing streaks? Based on your handle you’re obviously a Trekker, but are you a Jays fan? Did you actually watch the games??

  14. itstheduke 1 year ago

    Sorry, I’m not going to lay out a detailed personality analysis — this is not the appropriate forum for that (if I write what I think about Gibbons my post will be deleted). And it’s always easy to blame injury isn’t it. Fact is there was a lot wrong with the Jays in 2013 that were within the coaches’/manager’s control (I outlined a couple in another post).

  15. itstheduke 1 year ago

    Hmm. Apparently I’m not the only one acting like I know everything…

  16. JoeyBats13 1 year ago

    It’s a fact that the Jays had the 2nd most injuries in all baseball in 2013, plus many injuries to key players like Reyes, Bautista, Morrow, JJ, Lawrie, Melky etc. It’s a fact, not an opinion. Your whole argument that Gibbons doesn’t have “charisma” or isn’t a “good leader” is completely subjective and an opinion.

    Big difference.

  17. itstheduke 1 year ago

    It’s also a fact that it’s pure speculation on your part that the Jays’ injuries were the primary cause of their abysmal season. We’re both speculating on the primary cause. You say it’s injury. I say it’s Gibbons.

    No difference at all.

  18. JoeyBats13 1 year ago

    It’s a fact that the injuries were the primary cause of the horrible season. When you have the 2nd most injuries in all of baseball including many key injuries like I said, you can’t justify it didn’t have a significant impact. This is not speculation, rather common sense. Like I said in a previous post, name me one team that had as many key injuries within the starting lineup and rotation, that still managed to have a great season.

  19. Erin Carr 1 year ago

    Ahhh false equivalency at its finest

  20. Steely_D89 1 year ago

    While I agree that injuries were A primary cause of the season, if you keep going with guys that are oft injured you run that risk (Therefore injuries also become a management/GM issue as well). Personally I think that Morrow has one last kick at the can and it’s off to the bullpen for him. If he can’t stay healthy this season there’s no reason to think he ever will.

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