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Nationals Hire Dusty Baker As Manager

By Jeff Todd | November 4, 2015 at 7:15pm CDT

NOV. 4: Baker’s contract is a two-year, $4MM contract that comes along with $3MM worth of incentives, Nightengale now reports (via Twitter).

NOV. 3, 9:48am: Baker will be paid “less than half” of his old salary (reportedly around $3.5MM) with the Reds, Bob Nightengale of USA Today tweets. His contract does, however, contain “substantial incentives.”

7:05am: The Nationals have officially announced the hiring of Dusty Baker to “a multi-year contract.” It will reportedly guarantee two seasons of salary.

While Baker had been considered one of two finalists to take over the Nats dugout, the club was reportedly set to go instead with Bud Black. Indeed, Black and the Nats are said to have agreed to move forward with a relationship before contract negotiations stalled. Black was reportedly shocked at Washington’s first offer, which was for one year and $1.6MM.  Washington then increased its offer to two years at a “lowball” salary, but talks never gained traction.

In Baker, 66, the Nationals are getting an amply experienced skipper — as they said they hoped to do in undertaking the search. Baker has previously been in charge of the field operations of the Giants (1993 to 2002), Cubs (2003 to 2006), and Reds (2008 to 2013). With three National League manager of the year awards already in his trophy case, Baker will look to guide D.C. to his first-ever World Series crown as a skipper.

Oct 1, 2013; Pittsburgh, PA, USA; Cincinnati Reds manager Dusty Baker before the National League wild card playoff baseball game against the Pittsburgh Pirates at PNC Park. Mandatory Credit: Charles LeClaire-USA TODAY Sports

Baker has piloted his teams to an overall record of 1,671 wins against 1,504 losses. He secured division championships at each stop, five in total, and led teams into the post-season seven times. Baker was at the helm of the Giants for their 2002 run to the World Series, which the club dropped in seven games.

Long before he became one of the league’s higher-profile skippers, Baker was an accomplished outfielder in the majors. He played 19 total seasons, spending time with the Braves, Dodgers, Giants, and Athletics while compiling a lifetime .278/.347/.432 batting line with 242 home runs. Baker compiled just under forty wins above replacement in his playing career and appeared in the World Series three times.

“We were looking for a manager to help us achieve our ultimate goal of competing for a World Series championship,” managing owner Ted Lerner said in a prepared statement. “During our broad search process we met with many qualified candidates, and ultimately it was clear that Dusty’s deep experience was the best fit for our ballclub.”

President and GM Mike Rizzo also put his name to a statement in the release. “In getting to know Dusty and identifying what we wanted in the next on-field leader of our team,” he said, “we are excited to have him on board. Dusty’s experience, as a winning player, coach, and manager, is vast and varied. We are excited to bring him to Washington and put his steady demeanor, knowledge and many years in the game to work in our favor. I think I speak for the entire organization when I say I am very much looking forward to working with him.”

While the organization was said to have been impressed with Baker from the start, the very public breakdown with Black marks an ugly start to the offseason. Rizzo and the Nats have had some issues in the dugout in recent years. Jim Rigglemen resigned in the middle of the 2011 season in protest over his lack of an extension. The club had a fairly smooth run with Davey Johnson, though even in his case there was a long delay in reaching a new deal after the breakout 2012 season. And the team’s most recent skipper, Matt Williams, was roundly criticized before being fired at the end of 2015.

The Nats can be hopeful that Baker will help to stabilize things after the organization endured a messy 2015. He is, after all, deeply experienced and comes with a reputation as a first-class players’ manager. Motivating players and managing clubhouse personalities is a key part of the job, of course, and arguably one where Williams failed.

On the other hand, Baker has long been a prime analytical example of in-game decisionmaking problems. As Neil Weinberg wrote near the end of Baker’s tenure in Cincinnati, his lineup construction, bullpen management, and proclivity to bunt all can and have been questioned. And Baker was blamed in many quarters for over-using young arms with the Cubs, though it’s hard to imagine that becoming an issue in D.C., which drew fire for its late-season shutdown of Stephen Strasburg.

It’s not clear yet whether Baker’s approach has evolved as he takes up his fourth big league managerial position. There have been suggestions that he’s worked to learn more about modern analytical thinking, though we’ll need to await his comments and actions to know more. Rizzo has never hired a sabermetric darling as his club’s skipper, though it’s worth wondering whether he and Baker will work to correct some of the late-inning pen usage issues that cropped up this year under Williams.

Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reported that Baker would be offered the job last night, and said early this morning that agreement appeared imminent. Nightengale tweeted that it was a two-year deal. The TalkNats.com blog first reported issues in the contract negotiations. Heyman reported that Baker was back in the mix. Adam Kilgore of the Washington Post (via Twitter), Bob Nightengale of USA Today (on Twitter and in this post), and Scott Miller of Bleacher Report (in a tweet) all reported on the details of talks with Black.

Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.

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  1. jake_malinka

    10 years ago

    The Nats need to hire a manager and fast. The hiring of bud black would be a good hire. But with the experience of dusty baker that would be the better hire. Now u have to include the Dodgers on this talk also. While they are still looking around for managers Dusty baker would be the best for over Gabe Kapler because Gabe has no coaching experience (playing but not coaching) while dusty has ton of coaching under his belt. Leading the Reds to the postseason for a couple times. Nationals have good young talent so maybe they should think of hiring a younger coach maybe some one like Kapler or even younger Maybe even Jeter?? Maybe Jeter goes to LA but we will have to see what’s in store for every team with an empty managerial spot.

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    • start_wearing_purple

      10 years ago

      Kapler has coaching experience. He managed in the minors for the Red Sox for a season and managed Team Israel when they were trying to get into the WBC.

      Reply
    • davbee

      10 years ago

      Mike Matheney didn’t have any managerial experience when the Cardinals hired him. Didn’t seem to be a problem.

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      • georgebell 2

        10 years ago

        Neither did Walt Weiss. Managing a talented team seems to help.

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      • stl_cards16 2

        10 years ago

        Matheny is not a very good manager.

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        • tom Justus

          10 years ago

          I agree. To much ojt. To buddy with the players. Doesn’t have the competitive drive as Tony did

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    • Andyman516

      10 years ago

      Wow, thought buddy black was in, must’ve been greedy so they dropped him like a hot brick

      Reply
      • Bob M.

        10 years ago

        Bud Black will have no problems finding a manager position on 2016. Taking a low salary just makes it easier for a team to just dump the coach.

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    • Bob M.

      10 years ago

      Dusty has experience in being an absolute awful manager.

      Reply
  2. forevernegative

    10 years ago

    As a Braves fan, this news makes me ecstatic.

    Reply
    • baseball597 2

      10 years ago

      Baker will be fired before Braves are competitive again.

      Reply
      • Cam

        10 years ago

        That’s a pretty solid burn.

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  3. YourDaddy

    10 years ago

    It has nothing to do with terms of the deal, it has to do with hiring his own staff. Black turned down the job unless he could bring his own staff. Once again the Nationals blow it. They will go down as the worst, best team in history. Black is among the best in Wins Above Expectancy. Baker unfortunately is not. Black is one of the best in baseball at handling a pitching staff. Baker is among the worst.

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    • A'sfaninUK

      10 years ago

      Strongly agreed with all that. Really baffling choice, I mean, Dusty? Was Ozzie Guillen too busy?

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      • User 4245925809

        10 years ago

        One never knows, it’s not official yet and as in Miami? There is a very large minority base for Guillen to offend before he ever manages a game, if Nationals management does choose to come out of the blue and hire him, which would be no less shocking than their consideration of Baker for the job..

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        • A'sfaninUK

          10 years ago

          I was joking. Both Guillen & Baker should never manage another MLB team ever again.

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    • homeparkdc

      10 years ago

      Pads Fans: “It has nothing to do with terms of the deal, it has to do with hiring his own staff. Black turned down the job unless he could bring his own staff. Once again the Nationals blow it.”
      Wrong on your part. The entire coaching staff was not re-signed in order to allow the new manager to bring his own staff. Not sure where you heard otherwise.
      Did anyone happen to think that possibly Bud Black would like to interview with the Dodgers?

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      • YourDaddy

        10 years ago

        According to the LA Times he already HAS interviewed with the Dodgers.

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  4. A'sfaninUK

    10 years ago

    What a joke. This guy is so out of touch, this is going to be just an awful, awful move for the Nationals. Worst managerial hiring of the last decade, and he was probably the last winner too for the last time he worked.

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    • Meow Meow

      10 years ago

      This whole story is just another embarrassment to add to the growing list for the Nats in the last couple months.

      Reply
      • A'sfaninUK

        10 years ago

        The entire front office needs to be fired.

        Reply
  5. AvidAstrosFan

    10 years ago

    The Nationals should be hiring Seattles new bench coach! Tim Bogar…. good fit

    Reply
    • TheAdrianBeltre

      10 years ago

      As a Rangers fan, couldn’t agree more.

      Reply
  6. HubcapDiamondStarHalo

    10 years ago

    Hope the Nats are figuring on trading off all their starting pitching before Dusty ruins them and they get nothing…

    Reply
  7. philly435

    10 years ago

    This would be a terrible decision for the Nats so by all means, hire Baker

    Reply
  8. Sage

    10 years ago

    This went from a good hire in Black to a terrible hire in Baker. I mean, honestly, the only way you hire Dusty Baker in this situation is if you fired Matt Williams because he wasn’t old school ENOUGH for you. I’m sorry, but in-game pitching decisions are not going to get better under Baker. He’s got the same bunk philosophy that Williams did.

    Also, a moment of silence for Stephen Strasburg’s arm.

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    • A'sfaninUK

      10 years ago

      Strasburg is a FA in a year, he cant be out there throwing 147 pitches while Dusty continues being to managing to what Harold Reynolds is to analysis. Strasburg has to demand a trade this winter, asap.

      Reply
  9. marucci19

    10 years ago

    I like Dusty because he always has a toothpick

    Reply
    • A'sfaninUK

      10 years ago

      I never trust anyone who always has a toothpick.

      Reply
  10. mookiessnarl

    10 years ago

    Wow, so it’s a money thing? Do you really want your manager to be willing to work for less than a million a season? I mean you kinda deserve to lose if you’re unwilling to pay a manager more than that.

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    • Meow Meow

      10 years ago

      Looks like it was a term thing, ultimately. Who thinks they can hire a new manager on a one-year deal o.O

      Reply
  11. petrie000

    10 years ago

    brilliant! fire Matt Williams just to hire last decade’s version of Matt Williams

    at least we won’t have to wait until August to find out what will go wrong with the Nats this year….

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  12. angels1978

    10 years ago

    And Black was the most credible hire of this off-season. To bad it wasn’t the joke hires like Servais in Seattle and Green in San Diego that got revoked. I’m happy for Dusty, but I would’ve been happy for any credible hire in a process that fairly considered the background of all candidates, not just those within the limited network of dictatorial GM’s intolerant of a contrarian opinion.

    Looking at you, DiPoto!

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    • NorahW I.

      10 years ago

      So if a GM has an idea of how things should go and they think it’ll work well, they should hire people with an opposite philosophy?

      Reply
  13. GreenandGold

    10 years ago

    Wow. The Nats are really going to blow this one. Dusting off the spiderwebs off of this chump to avoid giving buddy black fair market value…

    Maybe it’s rizzo that needs to go?!?

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    • basquiat

      10 years ago

      It wasn’t Rizzo’s decision. Owners picked Baker.

      Reply
  14. willreily

    10 years ago

    Man this isn’t good. So much bad press around the Nationals, and then they low-ball one of the better managerial candidates on the market? Also they wouldn’t let them bring his own staff in? I don’t get it.

    I would think the FO would see the writing on the wall. Strasburg will be gone after this season (Unless they break them bank for him), also, Harper doesn’t seem to keen on sticking around either once his service time allows him to become an FA. I would think they should be making smart moves to either a). Win as soon as possible or B). Build a consistent winner. And from what I’ve seen, the Nationals have failed to execute either plan in the last couple of years.

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  15. A'sfaninUK

    10 years ago

    Remember when Dusty Baker’s small child was on the field and nearly got run over and killed by a large professional athlete? That alone, should have been grounds for dismissal. This is bad for the Nats, its bad for people who enjoy watching managers have as little negative influence as possible, it is just terrible for baseball, period. What are they thinking???

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    • petrie000

      10 years ago

      poor Neifi Perez was never the same after that…

      oh, wait, you meant Darren

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  16. chicubbies1

    10 years ago

    Well if baker’s at the helm the NL can not worry about the Nats in 2016 at least. If baker is hired I bet Zimmermann is beyond thrilled to be getting out of there….. if he wasn’t already. Nats better get a tommy john surgery specialist on speed dial…. they’ll need it.

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    • HubcapDiamondStarHalo

      10 years ago

      “Hey, I think this is a GREAT hire!” – Dr. Andrews

      Reply
  17. baseball597 2

    10 years ago

    There’s no way this could be possible… Scherzer and Strasburg are Boras pitchers. I can see him having a stroke reading this news.

    Reply
    • A'sfaninUK

      10 years ago

      Stras is getting traded, bet on it. Scherzer…uhh cross your fingers with him I guess?

      Would be funny if Scherzer started constantly getting his wife pregnant so he can go on maternity leave as often as possible, so he can miss starts that way and preserve his arm from Dusty.

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      • YourDaddy

        10 years ago

        Is he Mormon? Sister wives? 3-4 babies a year

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  18. jd396

    10 years ago

    How about his coaching staff can be Joe Buck, Harold Reynolds, Tom Verducci, Pete Rose, Alex Rodriguez….

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    • rct

      10 years ago

      Anything to get all of them off of TV. If MLB is ever fretting about ratings, they should think about what FOX is trotting out there to call these games.

      Reply
  19. TJECK109

    10 years ago

    A one year deal? A lame duck before you manage one game?

    Reply
  20. misterb71

    10 years ago

    If the reports of the low offer to Bud Black are true it makes me question how serious this organization is about winning. Black was getting paid close to $2 million a season by the Padres and they are/were notoriously cheap as an organization. If the Nationals actually offered less than $2 mil a season for a former manager of the year that’s embarrassing. Is this really the place in your organization to go bargain hunting?

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    • Brixton

      10 years ago

      “Former manager of the year”
      So was Matt Williams.. the title is meaningless.

      Reply
      • stymeedone

        10 years ago

        Baker is a 3 time manager of the year. 3 times as meaningless.

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  21. Brixton

    10 years ago

    That went from really good, to really bad in a day or two.
    Baker isn’t a good manager. H es going to have Harper hitting .230 with 50 HR, and Scherzer throwing 130+ pitches in a game weekly.

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    • A'sfaninUK

      10 years ago

      Harper goes from Barry Bonds 2 to Dave Kingman, because walks “clog the bases”, great.

      Reply
  22. slasher016

    10 years ago

    Coming from a lifelong Reds fan, the criticism is a stark difference from reality. Baker is a bit old school but he doesn’t ruin arms. His bullpen use is sometimes questionable and is his fascination with certain mediocre players. But he’s made the playoffs in every stop of his managerial career. Dusty is an underrated manager.

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    • Ray Ray

      10 years ago

      Finally a voice of reason. I’d much rather have Dusty Baker than Bud Black managing my team (although I would take either one over Walt Weiss). Winning does still count after all. Stop punishing Dusty because Mark Prior and Kerry Wood were made of glass. He didn’t seem to hurt Johnny Cueto’s arm.

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      • LH

        10 years ago

        I’ve thought about backing you guys up in response to other commenters throughout this section, but they’ll see next October.

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      • iceman35pilot

        10 years ago

        What’s his record in the playoffs?

        The reason no one has hired him is because they know he lets his players do anything they want, including not running out grounders, doesn’t have a clue about OBP, and when things get tough, instead of leading, lets his guys “work it out”, while he chews on his damn toothpick.

        He’s the only manager in baseball history to lose a 7 game playoff series after leading 3-1, two years in a row.

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        • Ray Ray

          10 years ago

          That’s because most managers don’t make the playoffs two years in a row. Was Bobby Cox a bad manager because he made the playoffs 15 years in a row, but only won one title? The playoffs are a roll of the dice. Any team can lose 3 out of 4 games at any time during the season. I’d rather have a manager that can get me to the playoffs than a Bud Black who makes popular decisions on an 81 win ball club.

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          • iceman35pilot

            10 years ago

            Sorry, no. Bobby Cox is another example of an “old school”
            Manager that time, and the rest of the league passed. 1 title in 15 trips to the postseason, yeah, that makes him not a great manager. The law of averages would dictate anyone winning 1 in 15 trips. He had a starting rotation with 3 HOF pitchers for years, and could only win 1 title.

            I said it before, Dusty is not a leader. He should have been out on the mound in game 6 of the NLCS in ’03, and should have been out on the mound during the WC game when Cueto was completely rattled by Pittsburgh’s fans and dropped the ball.

            Several times in Chicago when questioned about pitching changes, he consistently said he wants SP to go 5 innings so they can get a win. That is not conducive to wining long term, especially in the playoffs, and not what a manager is supposed to do.

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      • lonechicken

        10 years ago

        What about Homer Bailey and Edinson Volquez?

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        • Ray Ray

          10 years ago

          You mean the Edinson Volquez that has won 13 games each of the past two seasons and had a Game 1 shutout in the ALCS. Yeah his arm was ruined. Not to mention the fact that Homer Bailey didn’t need TJ surgery until AFTER Baker was let go by the Reds. Unless you want to blame all 100 or so TJ surgeries since then on Dusty as well.

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    • DelusionalCubsFan

      10 years ago

      Oh man, Baker’s “fascination with certain mediocre players”. That’s perfect! He sure left me scratching my head sometimes. Maybe Neifi Perez can come out of retirement so Dusty can make him the Nationals new starting second basemen.

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    • YourDaddy

      10 years ago

      With the Reds his starting pitchers averaged 21% more pitches per game than the league and nearly 30% more time on the DL. Baker has no clue how to manage a pitching staff. His teams are nearly always underperforming in terms of the expected pythagorean wins and expected wins by WAR.

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      • Ray Ray

        10 years ago

        What about the fact that in 2012 the Reds only used 5 starting pitchers all season? Other than a DH September start by Todd Redmond, it was just Latos, Cueto, Arroyo, Bailey, and Leake all season long. No ruined arms, no injuries, 97 victories. But don’t let facts get in the way of your argument.

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        • YourDaddy

          10 years ago

          Thank you for making my point for me. Baker overworked the Reds pitchers in 2012 and 2013. Cueto was hurt in 2013 and 3 others had serious arm issues in 2014 and 2 have had TJ surgery. Latos career was effectively over after 2013. That’s 5 of 5. So don’t let facts get in the way of your argument.
          In 2012 the team WAR would indicate that the Reds should have won 103 games. They won 97. In 2013 the team WAR indicates a 94 win expectancy. They won 90.

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  23. UK Tiger

    10 years ago

    Dusty eh?

    Harpers OBP will be way too high for Baker, he doesnt like such base clogging abilities.

    Good luck Nats fans…

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  24. WVBlackBears

    10 years ago

    Putting Baker in charge of that pitching staff? Hope there are young arms down on the farm to take over when the major leaguers break down.

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  25. NatKingCole45

    10 years ago

    This is a match made in heaven. Dusty Baker an expert manager at failing to win the big one despite having talent, and the Nationals are an expert team at doing that! Not to mention both Baker and the Nats dislike sabermetrics and advanced stats. Dusty and Papelbon should get along, though.

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  26. sampsonite168

    10 years ago

    RIP Stratsburg’s right arm.

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    • NatKingCole45

      10 years ago

      Scherzer too, and Gonzalez’s left.

      Reply
      • lonechicken

        10 years ago

        Scherzer and Gio will be fine. It’s Ross, Giolito, Strasburg, and Roark that I’m worried about.

        Reply
    • Ray Ray

      10 years ago

      Yeah because it is so healthy already. Didn’t he miss an entire season already with arm troubles? I guess we can retroactively blame that on Dusty as well. I really don’t get all the absolute unjust hatred for Baker on this site. But I’m tired of trying to fight it. Have a nice night.

      Reply
  27. start_wearing_purple

    10 years ago

    So long Washington Nats 2016, we didn’t even get a chance to know you.

    Reply
  28. lwayne

    10 years ago

    Baker is a great hire for the 14 other clubs.

    Reply
    • Ray Ray

      10 years ago

      Because they don’t want to go to the playoffs?

      Reply
  29. bobbleheadguru

    10 years ago

    Good. Nationals lucked into an excellent manager.

    Reply
  30. wb3cubs

    10 years ago

    I’m a lifelong cubs fan, yet I happen to like dusty. I think he should be given the chance to actually manage a game with the Nats before all of the “wanna be” baseball exec’s bury the team. Also Saber metrics and all of the other ridiculous made up stats, are OVERRATED

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    • Halo27

      10 years ago

      A tiger doesn’t change its stripes. Dusty will be mediocre at best. Saber metrics are overrated? Hmmm. Do you think the world is flat, Santa Claus is real, and that Al Gore invented the Internet?

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      • wb3cubs

        10 years ago

        Lol…. Your thought process & lame attempt at an insult are both laughable! Baker has over 1600 wins as a manager.. Hardly mediocre… As for the world being flat….. I bet if I put a spread sheet in front of you, with the analytics to match, you’d think it was!

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        • Jizz Chasholm

          10 years ago

          Ya, advanced stats are overrated. Thats why nearly every team is weeding out the oldtimers and trying to bring in new era minds and front offices. Get with the times man

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        • A'sfaninUK

          10 years ago

          Manager win-loss is virtually meaningless. Baker “managed” Barry Bonds, the greatest singular player in history. Harper is the best current player, are you going to give him credit for hitting home runs? You should never do that…

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          • Ray Ray

            10 years ago

            So now Harper is better than Mike Trout? Jim Leyland managed Barry Bonds as well, was he mediocre too? What about Felipe Alou or Bruce Bochy?

            Phil Jackson is considered one of the best NBA coaches of all time even though he had both Jordan and a Kobe/Shaq combo in his two stints. But Dusty is mediocre because he had Barry Bonds in a sport that is far less dominated by a single player?

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            • A'sfaninUK

              10 years ago

              Harper kind of is better than Mike Trout. He’s younger and Trout never dominated the way Harper did this year. Both are 1&2 best though, I won’t argue who is better but I will argue Harper had the most singular dominant season out of them so far- and they’re both only getting started!

              Dude, when youre bringing up other sports in your argument, youve lost. Take a knee, Ray Ray, its over.

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    • iceman35pilot

      10 years ago

      How’d those made up saber metrics work out this year?

      Reply
      • A'sfaninUK

        10 years ago

        Its hilarious that Moneyball, the original book, was all about OBP, and the ’15 Royals had 7 everyday players have between .348-.377 aka very good OBP’s.

        But I forgot, adding up all the times a hitter gets on base regardless of the way he does it, is a “made up” thing.

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        • Ray Ray

          10 years ago

          Moneyball was NOT all about OBP. Moneyball was about exploiting what everyone was not focusing on, which just happened to be OBP. Moneyball today would be exploiting overvalued prospects and formerly ignored but now overrated stats like walks.

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          • A'sfaninUK

            10 years ago

            Reading comprehension, you apparently have none.

            Sigh. I meant it was hilarious how Moneyball was about exploiting the undervalued market, which was OBP, which is what the 2015 Royals were all about, which is quite “hilarious”, to me anyway. Having a high OBP means you are a great hitter. Having lots of players being great means you win. Baseball is simpler than people make it out to be.

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    • petrie000

      10 years ago

      so Sabermetrics, stats compiled using advanced mathematics, are fake… and ‘old school’ stats who’s only difference is the math involved is simplified to the point of laughable, are much more accurate?

      a stat is a stat… doesn’t matter who ‘invented’ it, it’s all based on math. just because people like you and Dusty don’t understand the new ones doesn’t make them any less valid.

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      • A'sfaninUK

        10 years ago

        “Clogging the bases” is quite simply, the stupidest thing ever thought by anyone in regards to baseball. The entire idea of the game is to get on base. If a slow guy is on a base, he’s still on the base, the odds of a fast runner being blocked by him and stuck at 3rd base instead of scoring, is so mind bogglingly asinine and probably happens like two or three times a year.

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        • petrie000

          10 years ago

          and frankly the only difference between 2 walks and a single and a stolen base is that when the guys walk, is there’s no chance of them getting thrown out in the process

          If anybody doubts just how incredibly over-rated the stolen base is, they should seriously just go look up Billy Hamilton’s baseball reference page

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          • Ray Ray

            10 years ago

            There is also no chance of them advancing a runner more than one base…if that. A single can get you from first to third or from second to home. Which the Royals proved in the 12th inning the other night. A walk, while much better than an out, does not do that.

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            • A'sfaninUK

              10 years ago

              An out+advancing the runner two bases is definitely not better than not making an out and advancing the runner one base. Good offenses don’t make outs – which BTW the Royals rarely did – they had 7 starting position players with OBP’s between .348-.377 – that’s extremely great. No wonder they won it all.

              Reply
    • Bob M.

      10 years ago

      Life long cubs fan… Hate to break it to you bub, but Epstein been running the whole sabr thing for a long long time.

      Reply
  31. bjtheduck

    10 years ago

    So basically Nats ownership is saying they’re happy with never winning a playoff series? Dusty Baker, the Marty Schottenheimer of baseball.

    Reply
    • stl_cards16 2

      10 years ago

      He took the Giants to the World Series and the Cubs to the NLCS…

      Reply
  32. O Conchobhair

    10 years ago

    And God promised men that good women could be found in all corners of the World. Then he made the Earth round and he laughed and laughed and laughed…..

    Reply
  33. gocubsgo2016

    10 years ago

    This guy has both ruined Prior and Woods careers in terms of pitch counts and innings. With a young guy like Strasburg on the staff and with arm problems already I can see this being the perfect storm. It is funny that the guy he is going to end up managing people have often compared with Prior. Hopefully he doesn’t run Strasburg’s career into the ground

    Reply
  34. jhnsnh9

    10 years ago

    Hopefully they can keep Giolito in the minors for the next two years

    Reply
    • YourDaddy

      10 years ago

      You mean until Baker is fired? I fully expect that will be a the end of this season when they have won 77-78 games.

      Reply
      • Ray Ray

        10 years ago

        Have you ever watched baseball? If you want to complain about Dusty’s postseason record, then fine. But his regular season record is almost, but not quite, HOF-worthy.

        Reply
  35. hothamp

    10 years ago

    Maybe I’m missing something, but why is it a insult for a manager who is sub .500 for most of his managerial career to receive an offer that low? Mike Matheny is only banking 750K a year and is well above .500.

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    • petrie000

      10 years ago

      because it’s effectively saying to Black’s face “we like you, but we don’t think you’re nearly as good as all the other managers out there so we’re not going to give you any job security or even a competitive salary”

      Reply
    • Ray Ray

      10 years ago

      Mike Matheny had never managed a game anywhere when he signed that deal. Do you think he will be making that little when he signs his next contract?

      Reply
  36. sigurd 2

    10 years ago

    Good luck with that.

    I’ll never forget back a few years ago when we were fighting the pirates for home field advantage for the wild card spot and he left Bronson Arroyo in one of the last games of the year long enough to give up SIX home runs before he finally pulled him to go to the pen. I wanted to throw my TV.

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    • A'sfaninUK

      10 years ago

      Max Scherzer is all kinds of awesome, but we haven’t seen “130 pitch deep” Scherzer, who might be the opposite of awesome, much like Arroyo in that game (I remember that one too!)

      Reply
  37. rct

    10 years ago

    As a Mets fan, this makes me ecstatic. Even casting aside his anti-analytic stance and the accusations of ruining arms, the man sounded like a doddering old fool on TBS this postseason. Can’t imagine this ending well for the Nats.

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  38. cosmo

    10 years ago

    Maybe it was a bad phone connection. Lerners told Rizzo to hire the black guy and all he heard was “Hire Black.”

    Reply
  39. SixFlagsMagicPadres

    10 years ago

    Well this was certainly unexpected. Maybe this opens the door for Bud Black to have an interview with Los Angeles?

    Reply
    • YourDaddy

      10 years ago

      According to the LA Times Black has already had a 1st interview.

      Reply
  40. DannyQ3913

    10 years ago

    Washington is a joke for low balling Bud Black

    Reply
  41. danray13

    10 years ago

    Good move but only regular season winner and can’t find a win in the playoffs

    Reply
  42. Voice of Reason

    10 years ago

    I’m shocked that they hired dusty. Not one team was upset at him leaving. From the Giants to the Cubs to the Reds.
    Maybe for one year with a veteran team he will be okay.
    Good luck to the Nationals.

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  43. Bob M.

    10 years ago

    The Nats need any edge on the Mets who could push for 100 wins. Having a manager who manages games like its the 1970’s is only going to set them back. Bud Black is a hell of a manager. I assume he will manage the Phillies after they dump their lame duck next season.

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    • A'sfaninUK

      10 years ago

      The Mets are probably not pushing 100 wins next year, they’re only making the playoffs next year based off their poor division. This year was a fluke (Cespedes, Murphy).

      Reply
      • Bob M.

        10 years ago

        Uh… they have 4 top of the rotation starters now with Wheeler returning. Murphy wasnt some MVP player in the regular season either.

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        • A'sfaninUK

          10 years ago

          Uh…. the odds of the Mets having all 5 of their talented SPs start 30 games each is very low. Plus they are a bad defensive team with an offense that goes missing for literal months. To say they’re winning 100 next year is just ludicrous and homerish.

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  44. gooberz

    10 years ago

    You guys are idiots. Everywhere he has managed, the team wound up winners. No world series, but he gets you to the playoffs. Something the nats didn’t do this year.

    He took an awful reds franchise who was at the bottom, and finished 1st 3 out of four years. They thought they could do better and you see how that worked out so NATS FANS, DONT BE SO STUPID. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CUBS AFTER HE LEFT?

    He’ll take you to the playoffs so just shut up and enjoy it and stop whining.

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    • petrie000

      10 years ago

      and everywhere he managed his teams failed to win a WS and it ended with him completely losing his clubhouse and being run out of town in favor of a new manager who would hopefully be able to take them further than Dusty ever could…

      if the Nats make the playoffs under him at all i’ll be stunned.

      Reply
  45. rocketfish19

    10 years ago

    Dusty Baker? DUSTY BAKER? The only thing I can figure is this, Rizzo has a guy he can easily fire to keep the blame away from himself. Baker is just awful, ask anyone who was a fan of the Giants, Reds or Cubs. Dusty never saw a bad situation he couldn’t make much worse. The Nats better bring in a whole bunch of relievers, because Dusty will definitely burn through them. Never a big believer in Black (over-rated), but this just terrible. Rizzo has to go. Trading for Papelbon was about the dumbest move a contending team ever made. Maybe the Mets WILL repeat after all.

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    • gooberz

      10 years ago

      And he took all of those teams from losers to winners. #fact

      Reply
      • petrie000

        10 years ago

        he didn’t build those teams, his GMs in those places built the team then brought him in to make them champions… something he has never actually done. Even when he had the best player in baseball the best he ever finished was second place… and then fired.

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      • iceman35pilot

        10 years ago

        #notafact

        Being a winner means constantly improving. Dusty has never done that and the facts prove it.

        What happened after the left the Cubs? Lou Pinela took Dusty’s 66 win team from the year before and won the division. Guys also started actually hustling.

        I expect Harper will just bypass first base and run directly back to the dugout on every pop fly he hits.

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        • YourDaddy

          10 years ago

          Alou took Dusty’s 95 win 2002 team and won 100 games in 2003. So 2 of 3 teams got better after Baker left. Coincidence?

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  46. ilikebaseball 2

    10 years ago

    What’s the over/under on 130 pitch starts this year by Giolotto? He’s close to mlb ready right?

    Reply
  47. Cam

    10 years ago

    Getting guys on base is overrated – it makes stealing bags too hard. Right, Dusty?

    Reply
  48. Glenn Brummer 11

    10 years ago

    I thought the grumpy old git was retired. What an absolute joke this is. The Nats sure took several steps backwards with this hiring. I can see Baker winning the Most Incompetent Manager of the year award in 2016.

    Reply
  49. nccubsfan 2

    10 years ago

    Welcome to the NL East ole’ Toof Pick!

    Reply
  50. A'sfaninUK

    10 years ago

    The Nationals front office has lost their minds.

    Reply
  51. libertyfighter

    10 years ago

    Boom! That is the sound of the World Series window slamming shut on the Nationals after they hired Dusty Baker, similar to the overrated Jim Leyland with the Tigers. Leyland had the most talent in MLB over a 4 year period and could not even get one World Series game win, much less a Championship.

    Reply
  52. miggypop44

    10 years ago

    I feel bad for Stephen Strasburg and Max Scherzer after this news…

    Reply
  53. corey

    10 years ago

    Enjoy comments like these from Dusty: ‘blacks and Latins take the heat better than most whites’ and “we’re going to stress fundamentals [in spring training]”, ST ’05″hey man, that’s not my department”, when asked about pitchers not covering first.
    And when managing Cubs asked about teaching the fundamentals to his players making poor baserunning mistakes, Baker responded, “There IS nothing that a manager can teach a player that he shouldn’t have learned already if that player has gotten to the Major League level. Fundamentals are taught in High School, heck in Little League.”
    And my personal favorite that sums up Dusty’s managerial skills and time with the Cubs “At the very end, somebody took a dump right where I stood in the dugout every day,”
    Good luck Nationals Fans!

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