The White Sox have announced that they’ve traded outfielder Adam Eaton to the Nationals in a deal centered on right-hander Lucas Giolito, as FanRag’s Jon Heyman previously reported. Dan Hayes of CSN Chicago reported that right-handers Reynaldo Lopez and Dane Dunning are also in the deal.
The price to acquire Eaton, 28, proved extremely costly for the Nationals, who will send two of the game’s top 10 right-handed pitching prospects, Giolito and Lopez, to Chicago in order to acquire him (rankings via MLB.com). Beyond that, Dunning was Washington’s first-round pick (No. 29 overall) this past summer.
The exceptionally steep cost to acquire Eaton is understandable, though, as he’s fresh off a season in which he batted .284/.362/.428 with 14 homers, 14 steals and perhaps the best right-field defense of anyone in baseball. Of course, the Nationals figure to put Eaton back in center field, where his glove isn’t as strong, but doing so will allow the team to put Trea Turner back at shortstop. And, with Jayson Werth hitting the open market next winter, the Nats could put Eaton back in a corner spot as soon as 2018 if GM Mike Rizzo adds a more premium defender next winter.
Not only was Eaton worth six wins above replacement in the estimation of both Fangraphs and Baseball Reference last season, he’s also on a wildly affordable contract that guarantees him just $19.9MM over the next three seasons and comes with two affordable club options. All told, his earnings can top out at $38.4MM if both options are picked up. For five eminently affordable years of a player of that ilk, it’s not surprising that multiple top 50 overall prospects and a 2016 first-round pick were required to pry Eaton away from the White Sox, who very clearly appear to be in the midst of an aggressive rebuilding process.
The Nationals had previously been in talks with the Pirates for Andrew McCutchen, with Lopez among the names connected to those talks. Their acquisition of Eaton would appear to shut the door on those negotiations. In Eaton, they’ve acquired a player who doesn’t have McCutchen’s power but who has superior secondary skills and is controllable for a longer period of time.
As for Chicago GM Rick Hahn, he’s bolstered his farm system by a staggering amount in a span of roughly 26 hours, as he added Yoan Moncada, Michael Kopech, Luis Alexander Basabe and Victor Diaz in yesterday’s Chris Sale blockbuster with the Red Sox. Remarkably, the Nationals were reported to have offered both Giolito and Lopez in their offer for Sale, and despite making the decision to rebuff that offer, he acquired both ballyhooed righties just one day later.
Giolito ranks as the third-best prospect in baseball, via MLB.com, which rates Giolito’s mid- to upper-90s fastball an 80 on the 20-to-80 scouting scale and regards his curveball almost as highly. Giolito raced from Double-A Harrisburg to the Majors in 2016, posting a 2.97 ERA, 9.1 K/9 and 3.4 BB/9 in 115 1/3 minor league innings and tacking on 21 1/3 more in the Majors. The White Sox’ plans for the towering 6’6″ righty aren’t yet clear, but he could easily become a regular big-league rotation option in 2017. Yahoo! Sports’ Jeff Passan tweets that the Nationals were “down” on Giolito, and some in the industry believe the Nats would have been willing to trade him in a one-for-one deal for Andrew Miller last summer, as Jon Morosi of MLB Network tweeted. Still, Giolito retains enormous upside.
Lopez is lesser known than Giolito, but brings a big arms of his own and rates 38th in MLB.com’s list. Like Giolito, he pitched in Harrisburg, Triple-A Syracuse and Washington in 2016, and he fared well in the minors before struggling a bit in the big leagues — he posted a 3.21 ERA, 10.4 K/9 and 2.9 BB/9 in 109 1/3 minor league innings. He’s smaller than Giolito, at 6’0″, but like Giolito and Kopech, he’s got an electric arm — he can dial his fastball into the mid-90s and touch higher. He figures to pitch in the big leagues for at least a good portion of the 2017 season.
Dunning was the 29th overall pick in the June draft, and the 21-year-old rated as the Nats’ sixth-best prospect. Hayes tweets that the White Sox liked Dunning very much when they were scouting for the draft (when he was otherwise somewhat overlooked on a loaded Florida Gators team). MLB.com praises his fastball, which sits in the low- to mid-90s with good movement, and strong changeup. He made seven starts for the Nats’ short-season team in Auburn, posting a 2.14 ERA, 7.8 K/9 and 1.9 BB/9. He seems likely to begin the 2017 season at the Class A or A+ level, and he’s likely to be at least a year or two from contributing in the big leagues.
Morosi first said the two sides had talked earlier today, and MLB.com’s Scott Merkin said a trade was in the works. Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reported that the deal was close to being finalized.
Photos courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.
MySoxAreRed
Good week for the W Sox
El Duderino
Gotta agree. Definitely building for the future.
bigjonliljon
As a Cubs fan, I agree with them finally tearing it down and trying to build the system the right way. Like Theo did for us. They have some pieces to sell and build a young core for the future
Djones246890
The only problem is their organization. It’s crap, from top to bottom. Cr@p minor league system, cr@p scouts, cr@p player development, crap upper management.
The Cubs made it look easy, because they have one of the best-run organizations in sports. However, I’d be surprised if even 25% of these prospects workout for the Sox.
jcomm91
Wow ur wrong
JKB 2
Yes but the prospects acquired by the White Sox were scouted and developed by the Red Sox and Nationals who both have great scouting and development
ruckus727
As a life long Cub fan and Sox hater, I’m actually excited for them. I think they’ve made two terrific moves so far and will likely stack more chips with trades of Quintana and Frazier. If you’re a sox fan there’s a lot of reason to get excited for the future. Just be prepared to strap in for the long hall.
HaloShane
To bad the Angels organization is not as smart as the White Sox organization. The Angels should be doing the something.
sss847
trout for schwarber + a few prospects? all cub fans I know hate this idea, would love to see what an angel fan thinks of this
Shaddup
Not happening
Priggs89
All the Cubs fans you know are idiots apparently. LAA would hang up the phone laughing uncontrollably. Mike Trout is BY FAR the best player in baseball. Why would they take a DH and a few prospects for him? I don’t care how good Schwarber’s bat is, he’ll never be as valuable as Trout is right now.
HaloShane
Angel fan here. Here is my take. Trout has 2 MVPs and 3 runner up in the last 5 years. In the last 5 years the Angels have made it to the playoffs once, and got swept. I am an Angel fan, could not careless about Trout. I want WINS. If trading Trout away brings wins and playoffs then I am 100% for it.
I buy season tickets because I am an Angel fan, been buying season tickets before Trout was an Angel. I’d never buy season tickets because of a player, and that includes Trout.
DL0806
Ridiculous… For every one comment this site that is reasonable and thought out, you have 10 comments like this one. Trading players in MLB real life isn’t the same as Playstation
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
That’s an awful trade. Schwarber isn’t being traded at all.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Dude they don’t play anywhere near L.A. they play in Anaheim. And angels fans hate that crap too.
HaloShane
Really just shows how lost the organization is…. Not only are they not in LA, they are not even in the County of LA.
RaysFan2021
Never happening. Trout is so much better
Bruin1012
lol that is so funny I cant even believe it Schwarber and a few prospects for the best player of the generation yup that should do it lol.
Bruin1012
You do realize that Trout is not the reason that the Angels are a poor team. It is all the other bad players and contracts and bad decisions they made.
er31nyy
Is Trout the best player in the game? Yes. Have the Angels won a single playoff game with him? Nope. If you can get Schwarber and at least three other top prospects you do that deal. Angels aren’t gonna compete in a lackluster division with the sub par talent they have.
Cubguy13
If you are a Sox hater then why would you be excited for them? They didn’t get ripped off
Soxfan912
Its no fun rooting against a team that sucks. I hate the yankees but their young talent + the money they have coming off the books is very exciting.
Ricardo Elorza
Angels would hang up as soon as they heard “Kyle”. Trading for Trout would require either Kris Bryant or Anthony Rizzo, and they would still have to throw in 2 or 3 prospects to get them interested.
df321
lol how the hell would giving up the best player in baseball for kyle f-ing schwarber and some minor leaguers bring you wins? you’d all but guarantee yourself 2-3 years of 95+ losses. then you might start to see some success but unless your GM is a lucky genius with a big budget it isn’t going to amount to anything better than what you already have. you should be begging your GM to build around Trout now, while he’s still young.
kmk1986
Lmao. Yeah cuz schwarber has proven so much to make that deal work
moviemang80
I’d agree with that. I think they won on both of those deals.
Zcash10
Wow! They definitely have gotten some good prospects in return so far!
JKB 2
Good week? Haha. Great 48 hours for ChiSox!
roadapple
First.
SirPartyAnimal
no first for you
largeunit
^^^BOOM^^^
ImDaBaron
Losing Eaton as a White Sox fan hurts more than Sale. Losing his OF defense is going to hurt.
Travis’ Wood
You just got such a great return…
ImDaBaron
Yep. Our farm system has done a complete 180 in the past few days. It’s awesome.
impaler
You mean it went from ranked 180 to somewhat respectable. LOL!
Travis’ Wood
According to JJ Cooper, it went form bottom 5 to top 5 in two days
Dock_Elvis
Just think what it’d be like if we could scout consistently and not just trade off from an underperforming team.
I wonder what the Nats are up to. That was an overpay….wonder if they are flipping Eaton? You’d think that Giolito could have been part of a deal for McCutchen
vtadave
The Angels must be 181st then
tsolid 2
WE? You work for the Sox?
rivera42
Kind of hard not to when you add Moncada, Giolito, Lopez, and Kopech, plus the others.
howiehandles
Addition by subtraction. Eaton lost me over the whole LaRoche thing, referring to LaRoche’s son “We lost a LEADER in Drake”.
JT19
Yes, because the Nats are going to trade 3 top prospects for Eaton to flip him again. Might as well make it a three team trade at that point. In terms of Cutch vs Eaton, Cutch would’ve given the Nats a guy with an established bat (not to knock Eaton’s bat though) and the pedigree of a former MVP but with the potential for him to continue his decline and for the trade to turn into a complete overpay. Eaton, on the other hand, still has a respectable bat, comes with a history of above average defense, and long and cheap (based on his WAR value) control. Even if Eaton’s bat declines out of nowhere (which would make it an overpay for the Nats), he at least gives them a solid glove in the outfield, something that Cutch was no guarantee to be able to give.
bencole
Eaton is a far better player than McCutcheon at this point in his career
natsgm
did you seriously just type that? Nothing wrong with we
nrd1138
Yeah, I just find it interesting that the two guys that had a problem with Blake being asked to leave are the first guys moved.
jcomm91
U know nothing
JKB 2
The Nationals could not flip Eaton for as much as they paid to get him. Eaton is not getting flipped
JKB 2
Tsolid … I doubt he works for the Sox but he is a fan so its “We” that is how it works
astrosfan4life
They got a ridiculous return for Eaton. I travel to Chicago regularly and watch Sox games anytime I’m there if possible. With that being said, they just pulled off a major coup for Eaton. He’s a good ball player, but nothing about his stats are elite. Pretty good at getting on base, a little pop, and his defense is pretty good. The Nats shouldn’t have traded Giolito straight up for him, much less anyone else!
The Sox GM already has my vote for Exec of the year for 2017! The Sale trade netted him the best prospect in baseball and now he trades a barely above average overall outfielder for one of the top pitching prospects in baseball. Great job!
WhiteSox4ever
I agree love Eaton
Dumpster Divin Theo
Like the player and production, But good riddance to another tool in the toolshed. The dude who asserted that 14 year Drake would be missed as a clubhouse leader. Love how Rick is remaking the clubhouse. Kinda hope they find a way to hold on to Frazier, who aside from leadership skills, has value in holding down the fort at 3rd, allowing Moncada more time to develop, and delaying the tolling of his clock. The savings from pushing Super 2 back a yr, is well worth the 7..5 or so. Also hope this means they hold on to Q. Unless someone absolutely floors them.
The Alexandrian
Well put! In two years we will be watching an outstanding, well rounded team with some incredible, electric arms. Eaton trade esp. was a steal.
nrd1138
Agreed, and more maddening, he was 12 when he was the ‘leader’ in the clubhouse. Now both of the loudest objectors, Sale and Eaton, are gone. Eaton was a great bat and fielder in LF, but was last year the rule, or exception?
Dumpster Divin Theo
Eaton was in right, and was steady for most of the season. He was way out of his depth in CF. He has terrific on bat skills, and is athletic, but lacks baseball judgment. ’15 was a disaster- repeatedly getting picked off or running into outs, countless deer in the headlights moments such as over-throwing the cutoff man. Last season, they installed Austin Jackson in CF, and put Eaton in a position where he didn’t have to think. Most of his inflated defensive value came in the first third to half of the season. His grindiness is a double-edged sword, he wore out his welcome in AZ and was on an island in the Sox clubhouse. If he’s in a clubhouse with vets that won’t put with his BS, he can thrive. Wondering how Bryce will receive him.
cardfan2011
Grrr I was hoping the Cards would get him
rivera42
Considering the Nats gave up Giolito, it would’ve taken Reyes from the Cards. Would you still be OK moving Reyes in a deal for Eaton?
cardfan2011
WHOA!! Now I see who they gave up never mind lol
relic
Exactly.
The Cards need to sign Fowler and the team should be good to go.
stl_cards16 2
Yeah, to hear that the Cardinals probably had to offer Reyes, Weaver, and Kelly. Pretty crazy haul.
cab1998
The Cardinals better hope they can sign Fowler if blue they just lost a great defensive and offensive outfielder in Eaton
cab1998
Same it really is making me mad they better hope that Fowler is gonna sign with them or they won’t have the centerfielder they want if he doesn’t
lukenolan15
Bats weren’t losing this one.
lukenolan15
Nats
tommyLA
Cats
reflect
Rats
wiggysf
Gnats
TheMichigan
White Sox don’t look so stupid now eh? They got both Moncada and Giolito
MaverickDodger
It’s about time they started making logical decisions. And to get the haul they did for those two trades . . . Amazing job. I almost don’t want the Dodgers to make a deal with ChiSox.
ChaplinBaseball
I agree… the way pitching has become an expensive commodity in today’s baseball market … and the white sox landing 2 top 50 pitching prospects it cannot be considered foolishness by Rick Hahn
Dumpster Divin Theo
That Rick Hahn. He’s a baaad man. Don’t that let that self-effacing egghead personality distract you. Always a guy like that at the card table.
00944
Holy crap, the White Soxs future is looking better
oldleftylong
Uh, …. the Sox are the Sox.
ilikebaseball 2
lmao
nrd1138
Actually these trades are good, but only if the Sox minor league orgs can bring out the best of these guys. So far? Pitchers come out OK, but rarely a position player.
Priggs89
They’ve also never had a talent even remotely close to Moncada to work with.
wsox05
They’ve revamped their scouting department and most of their development people.
etlevin
This is incredible for the Nationals
baseball0021
I don’t think I’d say that, they got real value but also gave up real value
stymeedone
that’s what they call a trade.
dingdong
This guy!
metseventually 2
3 legit pitching prospects for a leadoff hitter? Not that incredible…
JT19
Nationals aren’t exactly strapped for pitching…they do still have Scherzer, Strasburg, Ross, Roark, and Gonzalez.
DeaconFrost
No f***ing way! Nationals look to be getting shaken down on this one if Giolito truly is in the trade. Wtf is Mike Rizzo doing???
mdbaseball05
Giolito is fine. It depends on the other pieces. Eaton has HUGE value.
ray_derek
Exactly, did anyone think the Sox were just going to give up Eaton for nothing??? Lol
mdbaseball05
yep. he was worth 6.2 WAR last year. It wasn’t going to be cheap. Plus, he is crazy cheap financially and controlled for like 5 years I believe.
Dmalsch22
6.2 war last year, war is a made up stat, what war tells us is that Mike trout is apparently not much better than Adam eaton which everyone knows isn’t true. Yes eaton is cheap for the next 5 yrs but the sox just robbed the nats who are desperate to make moves after losing out on sale
justinept
Trout was a 10.6 WAR. What this tells us is that you don’t realize how truly unique and special Mike Trout is… Eaton was great. Trout was historic.
McGlynnandjuice
Mike trout had almost double Adam eatons war
Priggs89
Yah, but 6.2 is almost 10.6, isn’t it?
Chefno2
Are you that ignorant to statistics? Just because you don’t understand something doesn’t make it not true. WAR is one of the biggest stats in evaluating a player’s true performance. There is a reason the career leader in WAR is Babe Ruth, because it is a defining stat in measuring player value. Mike Trout had a 9.3WAR this past season and Adam Eaton had a 6WAR according to fangraphs. The 3.3 difference in WAR is massive which is also a number that only 56 players were able to accomplish this year and is the difference between Eaton’s 6WAR and Didi Gregorius’ 2.7WAR. You statement is unbelievably ignorant. Using your logic is comparable to saying that only addition and subtraction are valid forms of math, when something like algebra is there. Completely ignorant and uninformed. Disgraceful.
Dmalsch22
I read he wrong stat on trout, regardless though war is a made up state, if you look at his career averages other than a higher batting average, Eaton is basically Brett Gardner on offense. Everyone talking about how great defensively he is, he’s under 2.5 career defensive war that’s not great defense if you want to go by war. He’s very good not great. Giolito and maybe one other should have been enough
ilikebaseball 2
All stats are based on equations. And all of them are made up. At one point Batting average was some crazy hokey nonsense, just made up malarky. Don’t mean nothin!
Cam
Of course WAR is a made up stat – it was made up to reflect production in a numerical way. It didn’t just appear out of thin air one day, did it?
Take a look at career WAR leaders, as well as seasonal WAR’s..and you’ll find they are a pretty damn good indicator of what we see.
Be careful having opinions on things you quite clearly don’t want to understand.
Dmalsch22
If you read my next comment you would see that I admitted to reading the stats wrong. But war is a made up stat, there are 2 sides to evaluating baseball analytical, and the way it’s been done for 100 years. I’m not saying that war isn’t a good stat but it’s not a tell all stat. “I like war as a stat my issue over this is the continued increasing reliance and overuse of war as the definite stat to measure a players worth” word for word from a MLB executive in a article on war from fangraphs, there are so many scouts that have backed up the same concern about overuse of war. You are ignorant for assuming you had any clue what I was talking about.
Cam
I didn’t say anything about your screw up in reading Trout’s and Eaton’s WAR..
Anyway, anyone who states than any stat is a definitive measure of overall production, is flat out lying. Because there is no one definitive stat.
Nonetheless, be careful when using the views of mystery scouts to form all of an opinion – I’m sure you’re aware of the significant culture divide between the scounting and sabermetric groups. There are underlying agendas in play there.
But yes, anyone claiming anything definitively, is wrong. It’s a part of the whole. Agreed.
ray_derek
Well said, “I don’t understand what WAR means, so I’m going to call it a made up stat”.
Dmalsch22
I never said war couldn’t be used, it should be but it shouldnt be the only way to determine a players worth. Everyone is commenting about eatons 6.2 war, that means the package the sox got would be more than enough to get madbum who only had a 5 war and you and everyone else knows that isn’t true. War does clearly have some imperfections
somethinghere
I hope no one reads your comment on face value and assumes the Gardner comparison is worthy. Over their last 1900 plate appearances, Adam Eaton has amassed a 13.2 oWAR (BREF), while Gardner sits at 8.7.
In other words – based on solely offense – Eaton is 2 wins better per year than Gardner. That’s a massive difference.
Dmalsch22
Thank you , that was my whole point from the beginning. Every single commentor has mention his 6.2 war and that it makes the deal a fair one which should not be the only thing looked at considering the division in beliefs on war by professional talent evaluators, some who call it “made up” and some who use it heavily
reflect
Yeah dude carry the 1
socalsoxfan78
Aren’t all stats made up stats?
wiggysf
Did you know:
83% of all statistics are made up on the spot
ilikebaseball 2
So if you don’t like stats what do you use to evaluate a baseball player? You’re talking yourself into a circle. ALL STATS ARE AN EQUATIONS, ALL STATS ARE RESULTS OF THOSE MADE UP EQUATIONS.. So tell us how do you decided who’s better than the next guy?
davidcoonce74
The WAR of a position player is going to be higher than the WAR of a starting pitcher simply because of the sheer advantage in playing time.
The equations that are used to calculate WAR are easily available on both the B-R and Fangraphs website. Each uses slightly different ways to measure defense, which is why they end up occasionally with different numbers.
The analytics department of each team uses their own internal valuations of WAR, or something like it. The general thing about WAR is that it doesn’t rely on rate stats, it relies on runs created or saved, weighted by park factor and position. A DH who creates 100 runs a season is going to have less WAR than a shortstop who creates 90 runs. And a great fielding outfielder will have more WAR than a poor fielding outfielder even if they create the same number of runs offensively.
TheMichigan
Eaton is like a 4 plus WAR player right? It’s fair
MrBloom
Trying to put together a team that can win the WS in 2017. Giolito, while still arguably the best pitching prospect in the game (even though I am a believer in TINSTAAPP) is far from a sure thing. Eaton allows Turner to move back to SS, makes the team better both offensively and defensively. Gotta give to get.
MrBloom
The rest of that package though. Man, that’s a lot. Good on Hahn.
seamaholic 2
Lopez is better than Giolito
mrmariner
Lol they also gave up first round pick and Reynaldo Lopez
ernestofigueroa87
I’m a Mets fan and Rizzo should be fired over this.
Sad.
I agree with you.
jcomm91
Hell yea
st1300b 2
Tough day for Pittsburgh
npalley98
Not really the nats were trying to low ball ys. We still have the dodgers, and giants to trade. Mariners may even come back aswell.
jdubs346
What were the nats thinking
stymeedone
They were thinking “I want to win a WS now!” They traded excess pitching for an area of need. They traded unproven prospects for an all star.
jdubs346
This trade will back fire
Trump4TheWin
Terrible. Either Lucas Giolito is a terrible pitcher or the Nationals just got bent over. WTF Rizzo. Eaton is garbage. You could move Giolito and name that prospect for Cutch. Terrible move on Rizzo’s part. Pissed off.
bigpapijuicer
Lmfao you win dumbest internet comment of the day
vtadave
Can’t tell if serious.
ericl97
Eaton is not garbage, watch some baseball every now and again
bortaz
Wow. Have you ever watched baseball?
ilikebaseball 2
PSA: This is what happens when someone with “football” in their screen name comments. Don’t put football in your name.
bencole
Yeah dude, Eaton is a far, far better player than McCutcheon at this point in his career
Priggs89
Well that escalated quickly.
Brave86
Rather see Eaton on the Nats than McCutcheon.
tuckshop25
Who’s McCutcheon?
Brave86
Thank you spelling police. Mccutchen.
pukelit
You’re annoying everyone knew what he meant
bucsfan
The autocorrect doppelgänger of McCutchen
MafiaBass
To be fair, all the McCutcheons I know personally have the o in their name.
reflect
Isn’t that a Pokémon
Dumpster Divin Theo
According to Wikipedia, Lawrence McCutcheon is a former American football running back who played in the National Football League for the Los Angeles Rams from 1972 to 1980. So maybe we have another football fan in our midst.
matthewalan09
wow! quintana next to go! wow. imagining what they could get for him!
oldleftylong
They will get a haul, likely from the ‘stros. Quintana is the real deal.
bortaz
I hope the Astros are in on Quintana.
GoPackGo23
Nats have to be drunk. They gave up Giolito for Eaton? Plus others too? Wow.
Trump4TheWin
You screwed this one up Rizzo. What a horrible trade for the Nationals.
Chucky25
wow what are the Nationals doing
reflect
Trying to win I think
upsidedowncake
The angels organization looks extra stupid when they lose, because they employ baseballs best player, and that Mike Trout window is shrinking every season. Likewise, the Bryce Harper window is closing quickly, and Rizzo knows that when Harper is a free agent, he’s gone. I understand building for the future, but I don’t think a GM would be able to live with himself if the roster had Harper, Stras, Scherzer, Werth, Rendon, etc, but was unable to reach the WS. Obviously, that’s not all on Rizzo- the players have to play- but wasting any of these veterans’ primes for the sake of two prospects is becoming a worse proposition everyday.
Dbacks traded Eaton (packaged with another player) for one season of Trumbo. Now he’s worth Giolito + Lopez. Sad to see, as a dbacks fan. He looked awesome from Day 1.
briansaglimben15
white sox get Dane Dunning, Lopez and Giolito, great package for white sox for adam eaton. great week for them
SilentSniperx88
Well, this at least makes up for the bad trade yesterday.
stymeedone
The Nationals made a bad trade yesterday? Cuz I know the Chisox didn’t.
Thronson5
White Sox are doing good with these trades in my opinion. They just need to keep going, keep making these trades so they can fully rebuild and don’t be one those teams that go half in and stop. That will just hurt the team in my opinion. They really can be a really good young team in the future with the trades they are making and maybe some key free agent signings once these young guys are ready to make an impact. I like it a lot and I’m not a White Sox fan. I wonder who’s next. What do you guys think? Frazier? Abreu?
DeaconFrost
I think it would be wise to keep Frazier and Abreu since they are good power bats to keep. I think they should and will deal not only Robertson, but Quintana as well. White Sox have gotten some FANTASTIC return here for he quality players they gave up. I agree to make a few more moves, but keep a few players around to maintain a solid core of already established players
ramonskee
As your president-elect would say: wrong. Frazier is a FA after 2017 so trade him now for a couple of middle level prospects.
And Abreu should land us a top 30 prospect, another top 50-75 prospect, and another solid prospect.
jakec77
Assuming they can get a decent return, they absolutely have to sell Frazier and Abreu, either now or at deadline. If you are going into a rebuild, better to do it whole hearted. Clear the major league roster, sign a bunch of veterans who are desperate to 1 year deals, hope at least a couple of them have good enough years that you can deal them for even more prospects.
dazedatnoon
this is the best choice, IMO. don’t stop now boys!
Nick4747
Frazier only under control for 1 year has to go and after trading the rest of your team why keep abreu get everything you can (as long as it’s a great value which they seem to be getting)
connorreed
Your argument for keeping Frazier and Abreu is that “they’re good power bats to keep”? But why should they deal Quintana then? Isn’t he a “good pitcher to keep?”
Makes zero sense to not trade Frazier or Abreu.
casualatlfan
So it looks like the White Sox are going with rebuild-mode after all. Even though more details still have to be revealed……I’m liking the White Sox side of this trade. Honestly, I think they’ve done very well the past few days since they decide to start rebuilding. Wish them best of luck in how it turns out.
RoyalsFan2.0
What is Mike Rizzo doing trading Giolito???????
basilisk4
Great job by the White Sox. Nats were just determined to give away their best prospects for something, I guess.
cardfan2011
They did it for the wrong guy too lol. I would think that could have gotten Sale, or even McCutchen
chesteraarthur
eaton is far more valuable than cutch
cardfan2011
Youre always on here insulting me lol
chesteraarthur
Telling you that one player is more valuable than another is an insult? Grow a thicker skin or learn what you’re talking about.
cardfan2011
I saw your post lower saying stupid posts, and youre referring to me. Besides, you do this all the time I post; so please, just leave me alone. Im not looking for trouble from you
mdbaseball05
Huh? They did it for the right guy. They couldn’t get Sale with him because the Red Sox offered Moncada. And why get McCutchen for Giolito and Robles plus more when you can get Eaton while keeping Robles?
Cutch WAR: 2014: 6.4, 2015: 4.8, 2016: -0.7
Eaton WAR: 2014: 5.2, 2015: 3.9, 2016: 6.2
Plus, Eaton is controlled for 3 more years than McCutchen at half the rate each year.
cardfan2011
My bad. I just think they overpaid for the guy is my point
DeaconFrost
They offered Giolito and Robles as well as even more just for Sale but the Sox didn’t bite. And i assume Rizzo doesn’t want to give the same for McCutchen coming off a down year, even though i think he will return to MVP form. Pirates were dumb enough to even consider trading McCutchen since he is the face of that franchise!
DeaconFrost
McCutchen playing for a dime too which is crazy
npalley98
Pirates were only trading him if it were worth it. They wernt settlong like the nats thought. If the nats were going to get cutch they were gonna pay for the former MVP not a great player coming off a down year.
Phillies2017
I love watching Washington get screwed
prdrnyc
I know, right? It just brings a grinch smile to my face. From a Mets fan to a Phils fan hopefully one of us dominate the NL East and the Nats continue to choke.
metseventually 2
Yes! Eaton won’t help them out of the first round!
Frank Richard
5 years of Eaton at less than 8 million per year. For Giolito and more may be an overpay but not by much. Eaton is a solid top of the order guy and he is an above average centerfielder.
Priggs89
That’s one hell of a package. Would prefer to have Robles over Giolito, but wow. Keep on keepin on Hahn.
Steven P.
That is a monster package for Eaton, wow
We are suddenly stacked with arms in the minors now
oldleftylong
The Nats will hang on to Robles, … at least for another year.
Brixton
Adam Eaton is really, really good. but man.. Rizzo just got absolutely killed.
DeaconFrost
Well put
TennVol
Why do I get the feeling that the Nationals may know something about Giolito that no one else knows? Maybe they think that he won’t be as great as everyone else thinks he will and are selling high?
Priggs89
Maybe. Assuming he passes his physical though, I trust the Sox eye for pitching talent. It’s really hard to say I trust them with anything, but that may be the one thing I do trust them with lol.
SupremeZeus
Well, you should trust them with k negotiation (specifically Rick Hahn). Sale, Eaton and Quintana k’s are all a product of Rick Hahn’s work. Without Hahn signing these guys to ridiculously low cost long-term k’s, the return and the White Sox’s future wouldn’t be as bright.
somethinghere
This comment will likely go over-looked, but it’s the shrewdest observation over the last 28 hours. For all the abuse the White Sox front office takes, they very well may have had three of the five team-friendliest deals in all of baseball.
Now back to the abuse: It would have been nice to see this core and these friendly contracts play out under a manager not named Robin Ventura.
Priggs89
I do not disagree with that. In fact, about 25 minutes ago, I said basically the same thing in response to something along the lines of who was to blame for the Sox poor performance in recent years.
“I would say more of the blame belongs on the owner than anyone. And Kenny Williams because he’s an idiot. They did/have done a solid job long-term assets to cheap deals, which is a great thing. Their biggest problem is that they couldn’t afford to put the necessary pieces around them because Jerry wouldn’t open up the wallet. So they were stuck searching through the bargain bin, aka the Austin Jackson’s of the world.”
roberty
Excellent point. There is no way the White Sox would have gotten this kind of return if Sale and Eaton were not signed to such team friendly contracts. Quintana and Abreu are also signed to affordable deals and will both bring in multiple top 100 prospects if the Sox decide to deal them. The White Sox are going to be scary in a couple years.
socalsoxfan78
Exactly!
santosPinkyToe
Except they can’t develop positional players and their reputation for developing pitchers is greatly exaggerated. Hence why this team has to make all these moves. They can’t draft.
DeaconFrost
Very possible. Could be the next Mark Appel
norcalblue
Great deal for CWS. Lerner/Rizzo are just in a panic to win now. A total overpay. Harper exit and Lerner’s healthy must be the operative factors here.
Bob Smiley
gotta pay to win. The window with Stras/Harper is closing. if they can win more that equals more money. Especially playoff time and WS.
Bob Smiley
next up. Whitesox trade Q to the Stros. – Martes. Kyle Tucker and ….
invaliduser
Nats fans will love Eaton. He is baller. Really underrated player. Will miss him. Love the prospects though
pukelit
Damn so now the Nats have 2 of the top 3 prospects in the league
impaler
White Sox due yes.
pukelit
Ah shoot that’s what I meant. Too bad there’s no edit feature
npalley98
There is its just on a timer which seems stupid to be honest.
DontPush
Getting Lopez in this deal too is bonkers. Rick Hahn is a magic man.
yanksknicks
White sox farm may have just passed yanks and brewers for number one system. Good for them in realizing that a renuild was the smart long term decision.
Priggs89
They’ve definitely taken a huge step forward, but they still have some work to do. Assuming they trade everyone else with a pulse, especially Q, they’ll be way up there.
Niekro
If Robles is untouchable why block him in his most valuable position? Is this more of a prep for losing Bryce Harper?
mdbaseball05
Eaton will just shift to corner OF once Werth leaves or when Harper does, depending on when Robles can crack the majors.
dtwb93
Of course. Harper will be playing for one of the cornerstone teams for many reasons including endorsements.
davidcoonce74
That’s not really the way teams think about prospects. A “blocked” prospect situation usually works itself out. Look at Trea Turner. The Nats obviously knew his bad was ready but had an elite defensive SS and a good regular 2B, so they moved him to CF. In this case it’s easy to imagine Robles sliding into Werth’s slot.
marco 5
Looks like we are stuck with McCutchen for another year,damn
moviemang80
Have some faith in the guy and appreciate what he’s brought to our crapstorm of organization.
Obviously, you’re entitled to like or not like any player you choose, but man— we were crap for 20 years before he helped bring life back to Pittsburgh. I’d like to give him a chance to finish what he started here.
ccremer2
Fire sale time for the White Sox. Gaining the top batting prospect and pitching prospect over 2 days is a nice start. Might as well see what you can get for Frazier and Robertson and maybe even Quintana. They could have the #1 farm system after these meetings if they keep going with this
wiggysf
They essentially did fire Sale.
Aaron Sapoznik
Wow! What a haul.
White Sox may have just gone from one of the more mediocre farm systems to the top of the pack…and they’re not done trading!
TheMichigan
My understanding here is that Nats fans have no idea who Adam Eaton is…
mdbaseball05
I do, I loved him Arizona before too! Definitely worth the package to get him, especially not giving up Robles. Worth 6.2 WAR last year alone and allows Turner to shift back to SS. Also, controlled for 5 years very cheaply. Very nice deal for the Nats.
WhiteSox4ever
He is so under the radar. He’s a gamer, gives anything on a daily basis. Defence good top of order hitter start base runner. Love the guy.
aussiegiants53
Maybe they are including Robertson as well? That’s a fairly sizeable package for Eaton (as good and cheap as he is) they are after a closer as well are they not?
Boomer14
Wow.. Giolito must be a bust!
dtwb93
If that was the price tag for a defensive outfielder I am glad the Cards stepped back. What a one way trade!
Priggs89
Lol you’re talking like he’s Jason Heyward from last year. Do yourself a favor and look up his stats from the last 3 years. He’s an EXCELLENT hitter.
james12
Adam Eaton 2015 WRC+:: 115
Heyward 2015 WRC+ 120
Heyward did terrible last season but in 2015 was the better hitter of the two, albeit not by too much. Plus if the article is right and the Nats want to move Eaton to CF so Turner can play SS, I wouldn’t expect another 6 win season from Eaton. Especially since the last few years he’s played CF he was a below average defender.
Now if the Nats keep him at right then I like it.
Priggs89
Oh I wasn’t actually comparing the 2 players careers or anything like that. I was just saying he’s far from just a “defensive outfielder,” which is basically what Heyward was last year.
mattyjamesgallagher
See everyone here is talking about getting Giolito, and rightly so. But after last season, the Nats were thinking more highly of Lopez than Giolito. I’m fine with giving up Giolito for Eaton, but losing Lopez really hurts…
natsgm
Completely agree. Wish we could have gotten away with keeping Lopez and adding quantity.
jakethesnizake
What a horrible trade for the Nats. Adam Eaton??? Nats just dealt two legit pitching prospects who are pretty much ML ready for a mediocre OF.
This makes no sense to me for the Nats.
Good job ChiSox.
metseventually 2
6 WAR isn’t mediocre, but Chicago definitely wins this one.
mdbaseball05
Mediocre OFer? Eaton was worth 6.2 WAR last year and is controlled for another 5 years. Plus, the Nats have plenty of pitching options still in guys like Cole and Fedde. Plus, you still have Scherzer, Strasburg, Roark, and Ross for plenty of years. This was a good deal.
vtadave
Eaton is pretty good though you know…
houseoflords44
I like this trade for the White Sox. That’s a really good return for Eaton
cplovespie
White Sox now hold the best position prospect and the best pitching prospect in the MLB. I know Sale and Eaton are good, but that in itself is pretty impressive
youngcy24
Now, Q and Robertson to the Dodgers and grab a few more position prospects. Bellinger, Verdugo, and Calhoun would be nice.
metseventually 2
Talk about an overpay, good job Chicago.
Randy Jay Pena
Can’t tell if it was Mike Rizzo or Dave Stewart who made this move, what a horrible trade by the Nats I would’ve tried getting McCutchen for those guys not someone like Eaton. Smh… Nats got played.
chesteraarthur
yes, because cutch is much more valuable than eaton? There are so many stupid posts in this thread
Brixton
It’s all the people who look at batting average and home runs.
No one realizes that Eaton was one of the best defensive outfielders ever for the last 3 years, or the fact that hes an above average hitter.
Cutch has been terrible in CF for a while now
evan1495
Yup. Maybe one day the general baseball public will realize there are much better ways to evaluate performance.
aussiegiants53
Eaton was much better in RF then he was in CF, maybe the push Harper over?
Steven P.
Eaton is a very good defensive right fielder…he is average at best in center field which saps alot of his value
He is a good player, but this return is staggering in my opinion
npalley98
Lol cutch has been a terrible out feilder for a while now? I guess thats why he won the NL MVP in 2014. And had a 4.8 War in 2015. Eaton is not better than cutch. Cutch may have been bad last year, but every player has their ups and downs.
Priggs89
1) He won the MVP in 2013, not 2014. And I’m not sure what that has to do with defense. MVP is pretty clearly about putting up gaudy statistics on a great team.
2) He had a 4.8 WAR in 2015 despite his defense. He had negative value as a defender.
3) Nobody is saying he is/was a terrible player. He absolutely has been a bad outfielder for a while now if we’re talking about fielding. His highest career dWAR is 1.0. He’s had negative value 6 of his 8 years in the league.
steelerbravenation
I am glad you put it that way because even with his down year Cutch is BETTER than Eaton or at least has the potential to be but Eaton is more valuable because of his steady production and the contract.
Nobody knows what is going on with Cutch but I don’t think it’s fair to just write him off I remember when ppl were writing Chipper off for a bad year but what wasn’t told was how he was going thru a slew of off the field problems and issues including divorce so I am not betting against him making a comeback
natsgm
if you think getting Eaton for those guys is bad then i cant even think what getting McCutchen for them would be.
markmc1235
That is insane. Imagine what the white Sox farm system is gonna look like after they trade Frazier abreu Quintana Robertson melky. Trade them all to the highest bidder. I’d be super pumped up if I was a Sox fan. They could seriously have the most top 100 prospects ever on one team. That’s gonna be fun to watch.
stymeedone
Maybe Chisox AA or AAA teams might win a title now! Yippee!
Meanwhile, maybe Nationals win a World Series!
Dumpster Divin Theo
Great story over on sbnation speculating how if the Sox decided to run the table in the offseason and sell off every valuable asset, they could have as more than 1/10 of the top 100 prospects.
danieldash428
The Nats gave up a CRAZY package. Two top prospects and a third with decent potential…. What’s the logic here for Rizzo?
whitesoxphil
I don’t get this trade but I would imagine they have reasons behind it
MB923
Wow. White Sox in about 30 hours go from a sub par farm to one of if not the best.
moviemang80
Good. Hope that means Cutch stays a Pirate.
TradeAcuna
Wow surprising they traded Giolito. Although honestly, wouldn’t surprise me if Gio flops!
cplovespie
I wonder who they’ll use in center. Harper projects as just below~about average and Eaton in right field is monster. Put it the pther way and you get two about average defenders. What do you think?
shawndc04
Eaton will play center and Harper will stay in right. Rizzo doesn’t want to move Harper tp center because he feels that it’s more of a workload. Additionally, Harper has a tremendous arm.
amleichter99
Cutch going to the Dodgers now
66TheNumberOfTheBest
For Scott VanSlyke and a PTBNL, no doubt.
npalley98
If that were the trade id burn nuttings little ski lodge to the ground.
JoeyBaseball722
I can only look at this from an outside perspective, but to me it looks like Mike Rizzo must be severely inebriated to make this deal. Your #1,3, and 6 prospects for… Adam eaton ?? I know he’s a damn good defensive center fielder and he’s respectable offensively, but this really looks tremendously lopsided in the Whitesox favor. Thoughts?
hyraxwithaflamethrower
He’s a 6 WAR player with 5 very cheap years left. He definitely makes the Nats better. Still, I think the White Sox probably won this round.
npalley98
Try definetly. Defense is good and all but he isnt a great player offensivly.
Dumpster Divin Theo
White Sox definitely sold high. ’15 season was a trainwreck for Eaton in CF. Poor routes to the ball, overthrowing the cutoff man, running into outs, getting picked off– before he turned the season around with some solid production in garbage time. He has upside and is cost controlled. But his false hustle and penchant for the camera has already worn out teammates in 2 places. He’s a nice complement and is still young. But don’t really see much upside or potential for him to be a sparkplug. Consider that the Sox have been able to convert Hector Santiago into 3 stellar pitching prospects.
braves fan 138
Giolitio out of the NL east, thank you White Soxs!
Jmac54
Wow what a deal for the sox!!!!!
stretch123
This puts the Nats right next to the Cubs as an elite team in NL… All they’re missing now is a Jansen or a Chapman in that bullpen…
markmc1235
Eaton costed more than sale looks like. Are nats fans happy with Eaton or would you rather have sale for that price?
natsgm
I would rather have Sale for that price. But sure seems like that price wouldnt have gotten Sale.
mdbaseball05
Well, the price for Sale also included Robles in that, and it didn’t even matter since the Sox wanted Moncada. This is a good long term piece for the Nats. Also allows Turner to move back to SS.
I still think I would have rather seen Quintana and signed a CF, but Eaton has a ton of value long term. I have liked him since he was with the DBacks.
shawndc04
I’m happier with Eaton. The Nationals needed a CF after the Revere debacle and can move Turner to SS, his natural position. That’s also two good top of thte order hitters.
natsgm
I wouldn’t be surprised if Revere puts up his normal numbers next year for pennies, making releasing him and sub-sequentially making this move look real dumb.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Nats are kind of going all-in on this year, aren’t they? Kind of wish the White Sox had gotten Robles instead of Lopez, but Robles hasn’t proven himself above A-ball yet and is years away. I think the Sox are eyeing a return to relevance in 2018 or 2019. Great trade by them.
bgrsox
Terrible trade. Gave up WAY too much. But here come the WAR fanatics. “Eaton was a 6 WAR player!” Who cares. He’s a great defender, but so isn’t Juan Lagares or Gregor Blanco. He is an above average bat (.280, 14 HR, 14 SB), and you just gave up two elite prospects that would’ve been cornerstone pieces for Chris Sale or McCutchen- much better players. I would be flipping out if I were a Nats fan right now.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
McCutchen was a better player. Jury’s still out on whether he can bounce back and be that player again. And with Sale, it’s debatable who had more value. 3 years of cheap control vs 5 years of cheap control.
mdbaseball05
The Pirates wanted Giolito and Robles plus others. So you are saying that you would rather trade all of those guys for Cutch, who was worth -0.7 WAR last year and has been on a downward trend the last 3 years? He is only controlled for two more years at $14M per season, too. I am a Nats fan, and I am very happy about this trade.
natsgm
People bringing up McCutchen in this need to stop. McCutchen isnt getting multiple of those pieces.
ray_derek
He’s not a good defender at all, what are you talking about? Before you comment, you should really try to understand what WAR is….
Priggs89
False.
steelerbravenation
I am glad you put it that way because even with his down year Cutch is BETTER than Eaton or at least has the potential to be but Eaton is more valuable because of his steady production and the contract.
Nobody knows what is going on with Cutch but I don’t think it’s fair to just write him off I remember when ppl were writing Chipper off for a bad year but what wasn’t told was how he was going thru a slew of off the field problems and issues including divorce so I am not betting against him making a comeback
mdbaseball05
Man, reading comments from the Nats fans that think they got screwed. This was a GREAT deal for them. You got Eaton, who was worth 6.2 WAR last year alone which is more than Cutch’s last two season combined, and Eaton is controlled for 3 more seasons than Cutch at half the price. Plus, you still have a rotation of Scherzer, Strasburg, Roark, and Ross for many years on top of still having guys like Fedde and Cole in the minors.
The Nats had an abundance of pitching prospects. Giolito didn’t do well in the majors during his stint, and he didn’t have a spot in it for a few years.
basquiat
I think the friendly contract is a driver for the Nats. Rizzo never makes a move in a vacuum. For fans who don’t know Eaton, he’s a gamer and a real firecracker, which I think the Nationals need. Giolito didn’t blow anyone away last year. We’ll see down the road.
braves fan 138
This fun to see happening, who will the white Sox trade next? Quintana?
hyraxwithaflamethrower
I’m hoping Frazier to the Dodgers. He only has one year on his contract, so he won’t be part of any White Sox rebuild. Plus, he’s a great clubhouse guy, which they could use if they keep Puig.
impaler
Lets not forget that the pitchers the White Sox received over the last 2 days will be working with one of the best pitching coaches in MLB. Don Cooper.
So any issues they have will be worked out. The White Sox could be sick in a couple of years.
justinept
As a Cubs fan, I’ve long said that if/when the Sox decided to rebuild, they were eons ahead of where the Cubs were when they started theirs in 2011. Just look what Sale and Eaton brought back – and realize that Quintana will bring back a similar package to Eaton, and Abreu could bring back an elite prospect as well… The Cubs had nothing close to that kind of elite talent when trying to trade for prospects.
connorreed
Yeah, but they had Theo Epstein.
Who somehow managed to acquire Jake Arrieta, Addison Russell, Miguel Montero, Kyle Hendricks, Anthony Rizzo, Pedro Strop, CJ Edwards, Justin Grimm, and Travis Wood with the minimal talent he did have.
Dumpster Divin Theo
It would be fun if the White Sox recovered following the Theo model, and then were in a position to say, be the team that ultimately tries to dethrone the Cubs dynasty.. Say a subway series in 2019? Wouldn’t that be sick….
steelerbravenation
Yeah that is crazy they got a new rotation for 2017-18. Premium prospect bat and still have a lot more assets to move. Next up Quintana, Abreu, Frazier, Robertson then maybe get something for Melky. I still think they coulda got more for Sale. But now I get to see their careers together in Giolito & Kopech to see who shines and who flames out.
Frazier to Dodgers
Quintana to Astros
Abreu to Rangers
Robertson to Rockies
Melky to Orioles.
simschifan
Sox are stocking up and getting ready for the future. Quintana could be next. The Sox fans have to be patient and get ready for the future. I know it’s not so easy for a fanbase that lives so much in the past. And before I get buried I am a Sox fan.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
I don’t live in the past; I’ve been wanting a rebuild for at least two years now. Maybe the Sox could have gotten Devers from Boston instead of Kopech and one of the other guys, but I think they got enough if Moncada lives up to his potential. I’m not sure I like this deal as much as most other Sox fans, considering Giolito has had TJ surgery already, but if he comes back and is as good as advertised, the Sox win this in the end..
simschifan
There are tons of fans on their Facebook page that are calling these trades crazy. They are uneducated baseball fans. This is only the beginning. They have no reason to keep Frazier or Cabrera. And possibly even Robertson could get a decent return.
dtcarroll1992
Yikes! Makes me wonder what the Braves could get for Inciarte.
pickandersen
Doesn’t is seem like WSH giving up too much? Maybe WSH is also getting Quintana.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Not in this deal.
pickandersen
Yeah, maybe not Quintana. But does it not seem like WSH giving up too much?
hyraxwithaflamethrower
A little bit, but Giolito has already had TJ surgery. I know it’s not the death knell it used to be, but it’s still quite a thing to come back from.
mdbaseball05
No, I don’t think so. Keep in mind that Eaton was worth 6 WAR last year, and is controlled for another 5 years for a total of around $38M. That is crazy value.
phillies012tg
What a steal for the Sox oh man
baseballbrain
This is a dumb as move by Rizzo.
slider32
This is how you rebuild, getting Moncata, Kopech, Lopez, and Dunning. That;s 3 great pitchers and a middle infielder. All will be in the bigs in the next year or 2.
Priggs89
+Giolito
Brixton
The best pitcher of them all is Giolito..
ray_derek
Like Dusty wasn’t going to ruin his arm anyway.
brettmar21
There is no question this is an overpay, but not as much of a crazy overpay as many are purporting. I think people are falling too inlove with prospects. Lopez is the one that really hurts. The Nats apparently really soured on Giolito last year. Dunning is a 4or5 starter. Also, none of the prospects really had a place on this years team or possibly next years. John Manuel said that he wouldn’t be shocked if Fedde ended up better than Giolito because of his make up. I think the Nats had the depth and used that depth. Value is relative to each team. Again, I think they over-payed but not n.early as egregiously as people are making it seem
Dannydeman
WOW, what a haul! I think the nats just got raked. However, I believe the nats know they will not be meeting harpers demands in two years, looks like they are gearing up for a ws run this year and next offseason are going to trade Harper for a much bigger prospect return than they gave up. Also in the process they have a great team this year, and added eaton who is controllable for 5 years and a great player in the process. And think about this with pitching prospects sometimes they work sometimes they don’t, betting that only one of Lopez and gioletto will work out and it will take years anyway, it’s a good deal in that case.
steelerbravenation
Makes me want to see Coppy field some calls on Ender. If Eaton pulled that deal Inciarte could get something similar and we got Mallex to take his spot Albies is our lead off hitter of the future anyway. With a haul like that it doesn’t hurt to gauge interest.
TradeAcuna
I’d rather they trade Teheran. Why bother keeping him if he intends to win 75 games in 2017 and 2018? Smart fans know Coppy is playing pretend about contending in 2017 and has lied about acquiring any good pitcher. Now he is sitting back saying the Braves are not expecting to make any big moves this off season despite having below average rotation and no catcher.
cardfan2011
Amazing haul that the CWS are assembling in their farm system
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Sox may have the best farm system in the majors by the time this week is done. If they trade Abreu and Quintana, it won’t even be close.
slider32
Good deal for the Nats, their biggest problem is the players making the most Werth and Zimmerman are their most unproductive players hitting 6th and 7th.
azcm2511
Eaton is a nice player but that is a steep price……ChiSox made out bigtime on that deal if it is as reported.
Dannydeman
Just to re state in perhaps a less rambling manner. The nats acquired a top notch controllable outfielder, and are most likely going to trade a player they know is walking anyway next offseason for a MUCH larger type of haul.
A'sfaninUK
White Sox now have Moncada, Giolito and Rodon, that’s crazy.
05whitesox
With all the criticism the white sox front office has taken over the years, it it possible it has been unwarranted? The value they have quietly amassed over the last ten 6-7 years with the team friendly contracts is fetching quite the returns. Not their fault the players didnt perform.
05whitesox
Apologies for the typos.
Priggs89
I would say more of the blame belongs on the owner than anyone. And Kenny Williams because he’s an idiot. They did/have done a solid job long-term assets to cheap deals, which is a great thing. Their biggest problem is that they couldn’t afford to put the necessary pieces around them because Jerry wouldn’t open up the wallet. So they were stuck searching through the bargain bin, aka the Austin Jackson’s of the world.
sarismash
Overpay by the Nats. Lopez is better at this point than Giolito. I thought for sure Robertson had to be included. WOW! smh.
jay66
eaton is an awesome 2 way player the sox got a haul tho as a yankee fan who’s team is in a similar same situation we just gotta wait and see if these specs are the real deal
michaelw
The WS may not win this year but when it all said and done they have the best farm in MLB lol – Sorry Yanks Your out of gas –
With that said wow big pay for Nats almost same players they wanted to give up for Sale –
Got love Winter MLB meetings – Almost better than the Regular season but NOT the Post season if your a cubs fan lmao.
Good Job WS people
jay66
um what are you talking about ? we are 1 right now maybe 2 with a bright future put down the pipe son the yankees future is bright mike smoking crack pipe
markmc1235
I was just thinking the same thing michael. The baseball off-season is almost as fun as the regular season. It just seems to get crazier every year with all the trades and shocking free agent landing spots. I love following it I can’t get enough. Lots more to go.
raltongo 3
Wow, Nats gave up a lot for Eaton…I remember when he pitched for the Phillies a few years back and he was just awful to watch…He somehow got himself a World Series ring by default, though, even though he was a bum…I didn’t even know he was still playing… Big risk here by the Nats
mattyjamesgallagher
Ha. Wrong Adam Eaton.
mdbaseball05
lol Nats trading three top prospects to the White Sox for a guy who last pitched in 2009 for Colorado .Now THAT would be considered a huge overpay.
raltongo 3
Ha! In all seriousness though, as a Phillies fan, I much rather would have had the Nats go for McCutchen…I do think he will have a rebound year with his change of scenery–wherever that may be–but he would only terrorize the Phillies for one year, rather than Eaton, who is gonna be a force in that lineup…damn!
markmc1235
Adam must take after his mom cuz is dad Mark is like 7 foot. Probably why he didn’t play basketball
A'sfaninUK
Giolito, last years 1st round pick and a top 100 prospect. For 5 years of cheap Adam Eaton. I guess Eaton’s money brings that package back a bit. But definitely an overpay even if you take that into the equation.
philharmonica
No one is talking about this. But Eaton’s enormous WAR uptick in 2016 was almost entirely due to a massively increased defensive value. Why? He moved to RF. From CF, where he has historically been slightly below average. If the Nats play him in CF, according to WAR, moving forward he shouldn’t be nearly as valuable as what he was in ’16.
mdbaseball05
He would only play in CF next year until Werth is gone, then shift back to corner OF. He might dip a bit next year, but after that he is golden. Plus, he isn’t a guy like Heyward who is reliant on fielding. He can hit too.
Priggs89
Wrong.
The last 3 years he has put up oWAR’s of 4.1, 5.4, and 3.8. Obviously playing great defense helps add to his value, as it does with everybody, but he’s VERY good with the bat. And he put up a 5+ WAR season in 2014 as the White Sox every day CF. His defense there is nowhere near as bad as it looked in 2015. He put up a 3.9 WAR in 2015 IN SPITE of his awful down year on defense.
philharmonica
Right. That’s my point. He’s a 3+ win player as a CF, not a 6+ win player like he was last year as an RF. I agree he is a very good player. But there are very good players and then there are superstars. This is absolutely a superstar price the Nats paid. But if he is going to move to a corner in 2017, that ought to balance it out for sure. Def true that Werth is finally unclogging that LF black hole.
Priggs89
Except for that’s wrong. He’s had a 5.2 win season as a CF and a 3.9 win season as a CF. And the 3.9 win season was all because of a weird down year on defense that was absolutely BRUTAL (after being a solid CF the year before and GREAT RF the year after)… He still managed to put up 5.4 oWAR that season to carry his value. Unless something completely changes or he gets hurt, you’re looking at a 4+ win center fielder AT WORST (more likely 5+).
bballblk
It’s insane they almost got as much back as Sale
MafiaBass
Best RF defense of anyone in baseball? Mookie Betts would like a word.
chesteraarthur
fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=rf&stats=bat…
Aaron Sapoznik
Once again, the White Sox are on their way to winning yet another off-season “championship”. This one looks to be far more impacting than their last two ‘titles”. lol
Aaron Sapoznik
December 7th is hardly looking to be a day of “infamy” for the White Sox.
Cam
One thing this comments section has confirmed – generally, baseball fans aren’t very knowledgeable.
ziplock122949
Wow. Now trade Quintana to STL for Reyes and more or to NYY.
connorreed
There are probably ten teams more likely to trade for Quintana than the Cardinals.
O's Fan_JMiller
Well Done ChiSox! Well Done Indeed! Have a Wing Ding….
chesteraarthur
The White Sox have announced that they’ve acquired outfielder Adam Eaton from the White Sox for
JT19
I always love the comments here because it truly shows some people’s ignorance. “I haven’t heard of this guy before so there is no way he’s worth my team’s top prospect[s]” or “In my franchise for The Show I was able to get Player A for these prospects so there’s no way he actually deserves a haul like that!”
Prospects are valuable, and most people overvalue them, but you have to give something to get something. Established players, like Chris Sale and Adam Eaton are valuable because they have already established themselves as quality major league players (not even counting their control). For every high ranked prospect that turns out to be a star, there is a high ranked prospect that turned out to be a bust. Teams, like the Nationals and Red Sox, trade their prospects because they are trying to win now. Guys like Giolito, Lopez, Moncada, Kopech most likely won’t have that big of an impact on their old team’s chances of winning a WS this season (and possibly the next few seasons). Big win-now trades don’t always work out, but if the team acquiring the star can win a WS (which by no means is a guarantee for any team) during the player’s controlled years, the trade is already a win because that was the point of the trade. You sacrifice the future for the present. Saving up for the future doesn’t do anything to make the team better in the present and won’t appease the fans who are clamoring for a championship.
ivanivan
They gave up two of the game’s best pitching prospects for a .790 OPS player? Lol. People are seriously gonna try and justify this with WAR? Probably the people that thought the Jason Hayward contract was a good thing.
Regardless of who this deal works out for, this is a huge victory on paper for the ChiSox.
mdbaseball05
I didn’t think Heyward’s contract was good because he doesn’t hit. Eaton does and is owed $38M over the next 5 years, not $184M over 7
ivanivan
Heyward come off a better season offensively and was a better defender. What were the 2 premier prospects Cubs lost in that deal again?
Or does loss of young talent with years of cheap control a non factor these days? But I guess all is good because Earton hits singles…
Priggs89
Heyward coming off a better season offensively is HIGHLY debatable at best. His OPS was a whopping .007 points better. Eaton’s OPS+ was actually 2 points higher. Heyward’s oWAR in 2015 was 3.8, which was the highest of his career outside of his rookie year (4.8). Eaton’s oWAR was 4.1 in 2016. His lowest full season oWAR has been 3.8 in his first season as a full time starter, and he’s had a high of 5.4 in 2015. Eaton has been better offensively, and he”s done it more consistently.
“Better defender” is also highly debatable when you look at Eaton’s work in RF last year. Even if you want to give one of them a slight edge, they are both excellent, and there isn’t much of a difference either way.
“But I guess all is good because Earton hits singles…” – First, he does a lot more than “ht singles.” Second, you’re acting like Heyward is some sort of power hitter. Despite being SIGNIFICANTLY bigger (6’5 240 vs 5’8 185), Heyward does not hit for power. Outside of his rookie year where he hit 18, he’s hit 27 one time. Every other year has been 14, 14, 11, 13, and 7. Eaton has hit 14 each of the last 2 years after only hitting 1 his first year as a starter. If you want to compare other non-singles, Eaton has had 83 doubles and 28 triples over the last 3 years. Heyward has had 86 doubles and 8 triples. If you want to call Eaton a “singles hitter,” which is completely false, then you better call Heyward one too…
ivanivan
Lol, you say minor differences in offence isn’t much of a factor, and then list minor differences to make it sound as if Eaton has been significantly better. You see the irony in that?
Defense IS better for Heyward. And it’s also funny how you moved off the whole stats argument at your earliest convenience after that whole paragraph above was just stats. Also it’s especially worse since they plan on playing Eaton in CF for now, where he doesn’t even have that good of a defense. So no, the defense part is not “highly debatable.”
Lastly, for all this talk of OPS from you, it seems like you don’t even get what it’s purpose is. It accounts for things like doubles, triples, home runs. So if it says their OPS is about the same despite more triples from one of them, then hey guess what it says? That their production is about the same…
connorreed
In addition to the money, Cubs also gave up a first round draft pick FWIW.
Priggs89
Where have I listed minor differences to make it look like Eaton has been significantly better?
You said – “Heyward come off a better season offensively and was a better defender.”
He was not coming off a better season offensively when he got his contract. He was coming off a similar year to what Eaton did last year, and that’s only when you focus on one year, not the entire picture. Pretty much the only thing better from Heyward in 2015 compared to Eaton’s 2016 was his OPS, which was a whopping .007 points higher. Eaton still had him in OPS+ and oWAR. I was only using 2016 Eaton vs 2015 Heyward BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU SAID. I then showed you that Heyward’s oWAR from last year (3.8) was the best of his career outside of his rookie year. And then I pointed out that that total is tied for the worst total of Eaton’s career. So yes, Eaton has been better offensively, and he’s done it consistently over the last 3 years, UNLIKE Heyward.
In regards to defense, I didn’t bother with statistics because they were similar enough last year. Heyward’s dWAR last year was 1.3 (2.0 in 2015). Eaton’s was 1.8. I’d call that pretty similar to 2.0 (and better than 1.3). If you want to look further and dive into Fangraphs data, Eaton was better than Heyward in just about every defensive category…
DRS: 22 to 14 in favor of Eaton
+ Heyward had 22 in 2015
ARM: 9.6 to -0.7 in favor of Eaton
+ Heyward had 4.3 in 2015
RngR: 16.6 to 12.6 in favor of Heyward (one of the very few categories won)
+ Heyward had 14.8 in 2015
ErrR: 0.9 to 0.5 in favor of Eaton
+ Heyward had 1.1 in 2015
UZR: 23.1 to 16.4 in favor of Eaton
+ Heyward had 20.2 in 2015
UZR/150: 25.5 to 21.6 in favor of Eaton
+ Heyward had 22.3 in 2015
Def: 18.0 to 11.1 in favor of Eaton
+ Heyward had 14.0 in 2015
If you want to keep digging, feel free to, but I think I’ve shown enough. But you’ll notice I gave Heyward the benefit of the doubt when I said it’s a wash. Nearly every statistic favors Eaton’s work in RF over Heyward’s. Like I mentioned though, they are both elite defenders in RF (along with Mookie), so I’m fine calling it a wash despite Eaton being statistically better. Good thing I skipped out on that at my earliest convenience though.
And yes, I do understand what OPS is. It also accounts for things like walks and singles, I only pointed out doubles, triples, and homers because you claimed Eaton was a ‘singles hitter.” He is not.
I guess you can claim their production is about the same if you pick and choose which years you want to use from Heyward since he has not been anywhere near as consistent as Eaton. If you want to just look at 2015 Heyward or a couple of his earlier years, then sure, Heyward is similar to Eaton. If you don’t want to pick and choose, he has been worse. Despite having similar double and homer numbers over their last 3 years, Eaton’s slash has been .290/.362/.422 for a .783 OPS and 120 OPS+ (20% above average); Heywards has been .265/.339/.383 for a .722 OPS and 99 OPS+ (1% below league average).
Obviously Heyward’s 2016 brings him down, but that speaks to his consistency. Eaton’s numbers have been EXTREMELY consistent since becoming a full time starter, which is not something you can say about Heyward. If all goes well for Heyward like in 2015, then yes, they are similar players. That’s a big, expensive if though.
Priggs89
Also, the only thing that I said is significantly different is their size. Heyward has Eaton by about 9 inches and 55 pounds. Don’t know if that makes the comparison more impressive on Eaton’s end or more embarrassing on Heyward’s end. You can be the judge of that.
insidethebeltway
Hello….Someone needs to inform Mike Rizzo that he just gave up the Moon for a .284 hitter with 14 home runs. This is NOT Andrew McCutchen….It’s someone named Adam Eaton.
Cam
That someone named Adam Eaton is actually better than Cutch right now – combined with better projections and longer control.
steelerbravenation
Stop saying Eaton is better than Cutch you are nuts. These saber metric stats ppl rattle off may have an important part in the game but the eye test has a part as well and if anybody that has watched Cutch play and Eaton play and they say Eaton is Better they are crazy. He maybe more valuable because of the contract but he is not better than Cutch. Even after his bad season.
Cam
What makes Cutch better?
dtcarroll1992
Cutch is a MVP candidate.. had a down year last year.
Cam
Yeah he did – and fans need to look at why he had a down year. Career low walk rate, career high K rate, lowest ISO since 2010, worst year defensively of his career (where he is now a liability), negative baserunner (worst year he’s had, and I’m not just talking about SB’s). It’s fine to say “down year”, but you’ve got to try and understand why.
Trends are a very real thing.
I haven’t even touched on contract & control differences either. But head to head, Eaton is a better player.
And I am a big fan of Cutch, and what he’s done in years past.
mdbaseball05
So they should have traded Giolito and Robles to a guy that had negative value last year and is controlled for only 2 years? That doesn’t make sense.
You’re right, Eaton is not McCutchen. He’s better right now. By your logic, they should have given up more for a guy that hit 30 points less.
bhart18
As a Braves fan, I love this. Not only do the Nats miss out on Sale, they give up 3 stud prospects for a slightly above average outfielder.
TradeAcuna
Yet the Nats are set to win in the next 2-3 years while the Braves sit back and settle for 75 wins and a good farm system on paper. Who cares about winning right?
Cam
Should take out the “as a Braves fan” part – no one can hear you down there in the cellar.
Priggs89
So Braves fans (at least this one) think that Inciarte is an untouchable stud player, but Adam Eaton is slightly above average?
mdbaseball05
Ha sounds about right. He is either bitter that the Nats just got better and his Braves didn’t, or he doesn’t follow baseball. Eaton has been worth more over the last 3 years than Ender has.
steelerbravenation
No now after what I just saw Eaton pull I don’t think he is untouchable by any means. I actually am interested in seein what he can pull because if everyone on here is saying how great Eaton is Inciarte is not very far behind.
dtcarroll1992
Both Inciarte and Eaton are a fun type of player to watch, of course Braves fans don’t want to see him traded. Do I think either is worth what the Nats paid for Eaton? No. If that was offered to the Braves for Inciarte I would hope they would accept.
morebreakdowns
As a ln Eaton fan, and a Mets fan, the Nats overpaid, not as much as people think bc im not sold on Gio being more than a 4 or 5 but with Lopez and then Dunning as the cherry. Thats a pretty big overpay
jay66
so adam eaton is wack now ? smh do ppl just watch baseball in mlb the show or when the ws is on? drink bleach
Dumpster Divin Theo
Aye carumba! I think the Nats already had it in their mind that they were parting with Giolito and Lopez, and then panicked when the Sale deal fell through. . No way they’d place the same offer for Eaton as Sale otherwise. Like pushing on a big hand at the Black Jack, and reantying, forgetting they had money on the table. In all the commotion, they lost track of value.
Priggs89
Worst part about this for White Sox fans – we probably have to watch Avi Garcia in RF all year. Hello top 5 pick.
natsgm
that should be the best part if you think about it. More like HELLO! Top 5 pick!! Yea!
Priggs89
You haven’t watched enough Avi Garcia. Actually having to watch him play might outweigh the benefit of a higher pick lol. It’s very close.
chesteraarthur
At least when you watch Avi play it’s comical? You could be stuck watching jason heyward ground out to the 2nd basemen or pop out to the 1b.
A'sfaninUK
Now if the White Sox get Jurickson Profar it will be so awesome haaa
Kingmojo101
Bad trade?!
Dumpster Divin Theo
So the White Sox effectively secured this package for Hector Santiago. Dammmmm……….
formerlyz
good call lol. Wow, still taking advantage of Kevin Towers a couple of years after he was fired
formerlyz
So the Nationals pretty much just have to add a closer (maybe another reliever), possibly a depth signing for the rotation, and they’re pretty much good to go. They still have Austin Voth, Aj Cole, and Erick Fedde in the upper minors, as well as obviously their rotation of Scherzer, Strasburg, Tanner Roark, Joe Ross, and Gio. They gave up a lot, in Giolito and Lopez primarily, but there is no reason to believe they cant overcome the loss of that depth. They just need to stay healthy for once in 2017
ChiSoxCity
The got a lot in return for Eaton, but c’mon. We need position prospects. The lack of positional talent is what got the White Sox into this predicament to begin with. Enough of the pitching, get some young, 5-tool players into the pipeline with these trades. We can draft arms later during the rebuild.
insidethebeltway
Maybe Mike Rizzo was thinking it was the Angels he was talking to and they were trading Mike Trout for all these great prospects. LOL. This move definitely has the potential to go down as one of the worst trades in MLB history.
For Example:
Orioles Trade Curt Schilling, Pete Harnisch And Steve Finley For Glen Davis (1991)
Tigers Trade John Smoltz To The Braves For Doyle Alexander
(1987)
Maybe Rizzo should call it a day and just pack his bags and go home before he does any more damage to the franchise.
kidaplus
Doyle Alexander went 9-0 and they went 11-o in his starts. Basically pitched them into the ALCS with a very real shot to win the WS. Smoltz was a very young prospect still a few years away.
Cant get too down on that one. Tigers were nowhere 90 to 06 anyway… Smoltz wouldnt have changed that fate.
shawndc04
Get a closer now Mike.
nats3214
As s bats fan I hate to lose Lopez and dunning I think Lopez will be better. Dunning looks like he could be something but we still have cole, fedde and voth. Giolito never looked great in the starts I watched very flat fastball something you can’t fix but still has potential. Lope if his body holds up with how he pitches he could be special crazy fastball and movement just needs control same with giolito. It’s a win noe move but we have him for a long time and he’s a solid solid player only time will tell but I do like the trade out lineup will be scary. Still had second best era as a team in the MLB just need to assure our bullpen.
zack0035
Huge overpay by Nationals. They offered that much for Sale. Much rather have him than Eaton. Lol
nats3214
Not at all. Did you watch giolito or Lopez pitch at all this year. Mechanic issues and inconsistencies galore.
dtcarroll1992
so they didn’t overpay at all? and they are rookies… of course they don’t have everything figured out yet.
landon c.
The hardest player to find is a high OBP leadoff hitter with speed. That’s why I like this trade for the Nationals. He can also play CF. and hit with a little power. A very unique type of player. Coupled with Turner at the top of the order, it makes the Nationals really dangerous on the offensive side day after day..
Lets be frank about Giolito. He’s an injury risk, has some command issues, and I see a lot of problems with his fitness and mechanics.. I doubt he’ll ever become a dominant ace. More like an inconsitent #3 or worse. Lopez has an inconsistent professional record and at 23 has only 307 professional innings. Very raw prospect that is behind the curve in terms of age. Dunning could be anything.
So basically, Nationals get a very rare, valuable leadoff hitter with highly prized tools that is really hard to find for 3 questionable pitching prospects that most likely aren’t going to be elite level.
The nationals get the elite talent in this deal in Eaton, and that’s why I think they win. People might object Eaton isn’t elite, but a top of the lineup hitter who can hit .290 and post a .360 OBP with speed and top notch defense and some power threat is the hardest thing to find in baseball.
kidaplus
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
gonnamissvin
Rizzo doesn’t lose out on trades. Ask Billy Bean and the other GM’s he’s outdueled. This one should also workout in his favor.
Connorsoxfan
Dave Stewart is laughing somewhere, thanking Mike Rizzo for possibly outdoing him.
KB R.
No. It will take a lot more than this to live down the Miller trade. EVERYONE knew what Miller was except Stewart and delusional Braves fans. We all knew Miller wasn’t that great, but he was exceptionally crappy in Arizona…… worse than I thought he’d be. Still, Inciarte for Miller was likely more than enough….. at least fair. Swanson and Blair was just ridiculous.
Eaton is better than Inciarte, Miller, and so far anyone else in that Miller deal (Swanson looking pretty legit though). Sox got top tier prospects, yes. But they are just that. And they’re pitching prospects on top of that. Pitching prospects IMO tend to bust at a seemingly higher rate than positional prospects. STILL, this is a helluva trade for the wSox.
braves2
Eaton is better than inciarte?….hmmm..then you go on to say swanson looking pretty legit? Yea he is so far and hopefully he continues. Inciarte struggled after his injury but won a GG and turned his offense completely around, or started hitting like the player he was before the injury
Priggs89
Yes, Eaton is better than Inciarte…
Overbrook
Whitesox flipped Hector Santiago for Eaton; and then Eaton for 3 excellent prospects. Well-done.
nwh27871
What the hell were the Nationals thinking? They could have gotten McCutchen with that type of deal. Looks like they didn’t want to part ways with OF Victor Robles.
KB R.
Wow. Nats are morons.
KB R.
In a 24 hour period just about the wSox have added 6 new prospects to their top 10 list. Impressive. Fulmer went from #1 to #5. That should give you a clue on what a quick 180 their system just did. And they will add MORE in a Quintana deal…… Robertson deal……. Abreu deal……… Cabrera deal. Man. They might add another 7-9 top prospects with those guys yet.
Shaddup
If the Angels could get anything like this for Kole Calhoun they should do it in a heartbeat
maineyankee
I did a comparison of stats between Adam Eaton and Brett Gardner. All though the stats favor Eaton by just a little, I don’t know why the Yankees didn’t try and pry at least Giolito or Lopez away for Gardner.
Eaton .284 BA, 14 HRs, 59 RBI, 14 SB, .790 OPS
Gardner .261 BA, 7 Hrs, 41 RBI, 16 SB, .713 OPS and a gold glove
I would of paid half of Gardners contract straight up for either one of those pitchers.
The WS stole that deal from the Nationals. They would be smart to keep unloading players. They could get 3 player for Quintana, 4 players for Abreu, 3 players for Frazier and at least 2 players for Robertson.
Priggs89
Gardner is 5 years older, worse, has significantly less upside, and makes more money on a shorter contract… By the time Eaton’s contract is done, he’ll still be younger that Gardner will be to start this season.
And the gold glove means nothing. Adam Eaton should have also won one. Statistically, he was arguably the second best defensive outfielder in baseball last year behind Pillar. And no, it wasn’t JUST statistically, he definitely passed the eye test as well.
rhr23
Eaton is not all that. Yes he has good WAR but you get a haul in return. Plus hes a slap hitter and injury prine. They ribbed the Nats. And Sox still have the Rockies/Dodgers/Astros cupboards to raid. Agree with JT19 above- like a million posts ago- So far so good for ChiSox fans.
IMO they keep Q, move to deal Frazier/Robertson to LA- depending on closer signings- while also look to deal Abreu and Melkey. Q stays is my feeling- at least until the deadline.
connorreed
How is a guy who’s played in 157 and 153 games the past two seasons injury prone?
He’s been an everyday player for three seasons, and his only DL stint was a result of running into a wall.
Cardinals17
Is John Mozeliak, General Manager of the Cardinals even at the Winter Meetings???
steelerbravenation
I love how all the so called experts love WAR but the guys on tv who actually played the game laugh at it.
How can you compare players without comparing where they hit in the lineup or who else hits around him. Did anybody see what Freeman turned into once Kemp got in that lineup. Yeah Kemp is a liability in the field and he doesn’t hit for to high of an average but he proved he brought intangibles to a lineup that WAR does not take into account.
I just heard Jon Heyman just say that Lou Whitaker’s career WAR was better than Derek Jeter now please some stat geek please explain to me how WAR is even relevant.
Also the top 5 WAR OF since 2014 is
1. Trout
2.Betts
3. Kiermaier
4. Eaton
5. Marte
Can somebody honestly tell me they would take the last 3 over Ryan Braun or Cespades or Harper or Stanton ?????
Please stop with the WAR it is flawed and utter nonsense for stat geeks who couldn’t throw a ball catch a ball or hit a ball.
TradeAcuna
I’d take Betts and Eaton over Ces and Stanton any day of the week.
24TheKid
I’d take Harper over any of the last 3, his way uppercut swing would point to another down season but I still think he’s one of the top 5 best players in Baseball.
adyo4552
Sounds like this poster only cares about homers, given the names he threw out there. Defense plays a huge part in calculating WAR. It makes sense, if you turn a double into an out cause you got there in time, thats as good as hitting a double yourself.
davidcoonce74
Why did Whitaker have more WAR than Jeter? Defense counts; Whitaker was an elite defender and Jeter wasn’t. Era: Whitaker played in a much lower offensive era than Jeter, and in a much worse park for offense than Jeter did. WAR is adjusted for ballparks and overall hitting environment.
Braun is a butcher in the outfield, plus missed time with injury. Stanton has played something like 200 games over the last two seasons, and was awful in 2016. Harper ditto. Cespedes loses value because the Mets keep trying to play him in center when he can’t do it. Stanton and Cespedes also have negative baserunning value.
All you’re looking at is offense in a vacuum. WAR incorporates all of a player’s skills and puts them in context.
And this nonsense about Kemp and his “intangibles.” First, no statistic can measure “intangibles.” That’s the definition of the word. Also, Kemp wasn’t a good clubhouse guy in SD, and when he got to Atlanta John Copollela actually said, in a radio interview, that Kemp was “not in shape.” And protection is a myth.
nrd1138
My biggest issue so far is the Sox are getting pitching.. they have plenty of good pitching prospects. they NEED position player prospects big time. The offseason is still young yet, but the Sox must also get position players here.
24TheKid
Yoan Moncada.
BooJays33
lol they literally just acquired the number 1 prospect in baseball who happens to be a position player.
connorreed
Do you mean that the White Sox had plenty of good pitching prospects before these trades?
They didn’t have a single pitching prospect who looked better than a back-end starter or reliever. I wouldn’t consider Spencer Adams, Carson Fulmer, and Zack Burdi “plenty of good pitching prospects”.
Priggs89
Add Alec Hansen to that list. He’s not getting the hype he deserves yet, but he will soon if he doesn’t get hurt. He has great arm talent with legit size (6’7 235). He struggled with his command at times in college (I think they eventually moved him into the bullpen his last year), but something seemed to click after he got into the Sox system. He absolutely killed it.
connorreed
Yeah, he had great numbers and his stuff is fantastic, but most scouts agree that unless major changes happen with his mechanics and his control is significantly improved, he won’t come close to tapping his FOTR potential.
bsteady powers
Rick Hahn bent Mike Rizzo slap over!
kidaplus
I’m a White Sox fan, but totally see the Nats angle here… Harper’s Contract.
Harper is going to cost a ton. Werth has a year left. Robles is a year or so away.
An Adam Eaton on the open market is a 18-20mil year player… see Heyward & Fowler. They have him for 5 years at 38 million total.
Eaton saves them 50-60 million that could end being the difference in losing or keeping him. You have no chance to get that with an all-star caliber OF who isn’t in your system in rookie deal.
Plus it allows Turner to go back to his natural position this year.
So after this year you have an outfield of Eaton LF. Robles CF, Harper RF for several years… you have to pay for an Eaton…it could cost you Harper. And if Harper’s deal is as huge as its going to be, you prob have no shot at an Eaton and are putting a much lesser players out there.
Given that we’re hearing that they werent so high on Giolito anymore and the pitching depth they already have, this deal may work out very well for them,
AndyMeyer
I love seeing the Nationals fail
HarveyD82
nice pick up for the sox.
steelcitybucc0s
Great work from the White Sox so far on replenishing the farm!!
ernestofigueroa87
I’m a Mets fan and I’m F’N ecstatic about this trade!
Just how drunk was Rizzo?
EMBARRASING!DEPLORABLE!
SOOOOO STUPID!
The Nationals may have been destroyed.
born4rf
Right now Rizzo is exactly where Neal Huntington was a year ago. He’s built a perennial powerhouse around a young core that is fully mature, but they can’t kick down the door in the playoffs. So Rizzo says he’s going to knock down that door by locking down Melancon, Sale and/or Mccutchen….. okay, instead he brings home the sensible choice. A solid leadoff type with good D in Right field and SHOULD be good in Center. Honestly, Eaton is a good contract not a Great Player. Cutch is a year removed from being a Harper caliber Great Player.
Rizzo looks like the biggest loser on the Planet today. Notice no Nats fans supporting this trade. Ugly deal.