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Yankees Acquire Sonny Gray

By Tim Dierkes | July 31, 2017 at 3:35pm CDT

The Yankees pulled off a long-awaited rotation upgrade, acquiring righty Sonny Gray from the Athletics today for three prospects:  outfielder Dustin Fowler, infielder/outfielder Jorge Mateo, and righty James Kaprielian.  In addition to Gray, the Yankees will receive $1.5MM in international bonus pool money.  The teams have officially announced the trade, which was first broken by Jack Curry of the YES Network.  Yahoo’s Jeff Passan was first with the return.

Gray joins a Yankees rotation that lost Michael Pineda to Tommy John surgery this month, but added Jaime Garcia in a trade with the Twins. With C.C. Sabathia, Masahiro Tanaka, Luis Severino, and Jordan Montgomery also in the mix, the Yankees have a rotation logjam.  Yankees manager Joe Girardi nixed the idea of a six-man rotation, so it seems Montgomery will move to the bullpen or to Triple-A, according to Curry.  Sabathia and Garcia are headed to free agency after the season, and Tanaka can join them if he chooses to exercise his opt-out clause.  Gray adds veteran stability for the 2018 and 2019 seasons.

"JulGray, 27, was drafted 18th overall by the Athletics in 2011 out of Vanderbilt. He excelled from 2013-15, posting a 2.88 ERA over 491 innings. 2016, however, was a lost year for Gray as he endured DL stints for a strained right trapezius as well as a forearm injury. This year, Gray is back on track with a 3.43 ERA in 16 starts, as well as his best strikeout rate since his rookie year. Gray, who is listed at 5’10”, is one of the most successful starting pitchers of this height since the Dead Ball Era, to this point in his career.  With the Cubs having acquired Jose Quintana several weeks ago, Gray was the big prize of the 2017 MLB trade deadline.

In the end, the Athletics were unable to pry loose the Yankees’ top three prospects: Gleyber Torres, Clint Frazier, and Chance Adams.  Fowler, a 22-year-old outfield prospect, suffered a major knee injury in the first inning of his Major League debut last month.  The open rupture in his right patella tendon resulted in season-ending surgery.  MLB.com ranked Fowler fourth among Yankees prospects, citing a potential five-tool ceiling.  Now, Fowler will likely make his first MLB plate appearance in 2018 as a member of the Athletics.

Mateo, 22, was ranked eighth among Yankees prospects by MLB.com.  Mateo has what Baseball America describes as “80-grade speed,” and this year he’s spent most of his time at center field and shortstop.  He was promoted to Double-A in late June, and has flourished with a .300/.381/.525 line in 140 plate appearances.  Mateo was the key to the deal for Oakland, according to Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle.

Kaprielian, 23, was drafted 16th overall out of UCLA by the Yankees in 2015.  He suffered a flexor tendon strain last summer that eventually led to Tommy John surgery in April of this year.  He is expected to begin a throwing program next month.  MLB.com ranks Kaprielian 12th among Yankees prospects.  Last winter, Baseball America wrote that the righty had “front-of-the-rotation makeup and stuff with a well below-average delivery.”

Prior to adding Garcia and Gray to their rotation, the Yankees completed a mid-month blockbuster with the White Sox that brought in David Robertson and Tommy Kahnle for bullpen help and Todd Frazier to contribute at the infield corners.  The Yankees hold just a half game lead over the Red Sox for the AL East, with a Wild Card berth a possible alternative.

The last-place A’s also shed a pair of bullpen pieces earlier this month, sending Sean Doolittle and Ryan Madson to the Nationals. The Gray trade is another in which they’ve moved veteran pitchers (and their salaries, although Gray’s salary was not a primary factor in this deal) for younger talent.

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337 Comments

  1. stratcrowder

    8 years ago

    YES!!!!!

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    • Fanni Matloff

      8 years ago

      vcvcvcvcvcvc

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  2. saredciders

    8 years ago

    For who

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    • Chris Sale Amateur Tailor

      8 years ago

      Frazier and judge

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      • alexgordonbeckham

        8 years ago

        My name is…Judge.

        3
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        • alexgordonbeckham

          8 years ago

          Someone must not be a fan of Arrested Development.

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      • EndinStealth

        8 years ago

        And Cash

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    • Eil718

      8 years ago

      FOWLER, MATA AND I THINK SOMEONE NAMED JAMES LOL

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      • tharrie0820

        8 years ago

        Kaprelian has a high ceiling but he had Tommy John this year

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  3. yukongold

    8 years ago

    Bye Torres

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    • timm-2

      8 years ago

      no chance

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      • ronnsnow

        8 years ago

        Uh, do you think Gray is coming cheap?

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        • timm-2

          8 years ago

          told ya so

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        • Drewnasty

          8 years ago

          so so wrong. enjoy your busted prospect

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        • eceretti

          8 years ago

          Lmao!

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        • braves25

          8 years ago

          He came VERY cheap!!

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        • Bobby b

          8 years ago

          It’s the Yankee s. When the Yankees call, GM’s just assume the position, because, well, you know. It’s just the way it is. A’s couldn’t get better from the Dodgers? Really?

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    • dave1775

      8 years ago

      Wrong lol

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  4. Lovetron

    8 years ago

    About time! Now did the A’s get Florial? Mateo? Adams? a combo of them?

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    • kbarr888

      8 years ago

      Fowler. Mateo, and 1 other guy

      Reply
    • BillyBeaneBurrito

      8 years ago

      No Fowler, Mateo, and Kaprielian I’m pissed

      Reply
      • Lovetron

        8 years ago

        It’s an awful haul, and I’m disappointed by Beane once again when it comes to trading a premiere player

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        • mvpetro

          8 years ago

          How is it an awful haul

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        • Lovetron

          8 years ago

          2 players who development is halted through the beginning of 2018 and a SS/CF prospect who has defensive issues. It is crazily risky and a far, far cry from what the White Sox got for a comparable starter with almost as much control time.

          It wouldnt be an awful haul if Fowler and Kap were healthy.. but there’s no guarantee there. All we know is that they aren’t getting any more experience until 2018.

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        • mvpetro

          8 years ago

          Sonny Gray has some injury risk too so I don’t know what better haul beane could have gotten

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        • B-Strong

          8 years ago

          lovetron, you didnt just say that sonny gray is a comparable starter to Chris Sale did you? Gray is good, no doubt, but hes not on Sales level. Max Scherzer, Clayton Kershaw, those are comparable pitchers, and as such coupled with one of the friendliest contracts in baseball, was why the wgite sox got what they got.

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        • Hanlog1105

          8 years ago

          Pretty sure he meant Quintana

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        • bradthebluefish

          8 years ago

          Comparable to Jose Quintana

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        • Lovetron

          8 years ago

          Yes, as they said above, Quintana

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        • azcm2511

          8 years ago

          kind of a stretch to call Gray a premiere player…..he is a solid #3 at best and he will find out quickly how different pitching in the AL east is compared to the AL west. Fair compensation paid by the Yanks.

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        • Lovetron

          8 years ago

          Starts off with 3 years w/ an ERA under 3, battles injuries for one year and he goes from fringe ace/high end #2 to a solid #3 @ best? Nah.. this was a front of the rotation type who’s value plummeted due to pitching through injuries, and has started to regain his form. He’ll be the Yankees #2 for at least 2 more years and will do damn well there

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        • stymeedone

          8 years ago

          This is a much better return than Q brought back.

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        • Bobby b

          8 years ago

          It’s the Yankee s. When the Yankees call, GM’s just assume the position, because, well, you know. It’s just the way it is. A’s couldn’t get better from the Dodgers? Really?

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      • BSPORT

        8 years ago

        Cashman pulled off another solid trade. Two hurt prospects and one under-performer. Kaprielian will be two years before anybody starts to know what he is and Mateo is versatile but underperforms with the bat in A ball. Fowler is the biggest loss to Yankees but may not come back 100% and they do still have a surplus of outfielders. Thumbs up to Cashman again. Gray is a solid 3 starter for next couple of years.

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      • outinleftfield

        8 years ago

        Why are you angry? The A’s got a starting OF for next season in Fowler, a shortstop or CF for 2019, and a pitcher with TOR stuff once he returns from TJ. Kaprelian is the only guy that you should be concerned about, but his upside is off the charts and he will be back by spring training.

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        • Lovetron

          8 years ago

          Patella injuries are potentially serious, and I dont think Mateo’s a lock for anything. Kap is probably the only one I’m not concerned about – having TJ’s that early isn’t a big issue, though I would expect to see him in 2019, not 2018.

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  5. Hiro

    8 years ago

    😀

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  6. WARrior

    8 years ago

    First?

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    • WARrior

      8 years ago

      Damn

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  7. Kayrall

    8 years ago

    “Well, they weren’t that great of prospects anyways.” – Yankees fans

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    • cspaced25 2

      8 years ago

      Grow up. Every teams fans say that.

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      • redsoxu571

        8 years ago

        I didn’t say that when Boston traded for Sale. I still feel as bullish as ever on Moncada (who people are forgetting is still shaking off rust from time away from the game) and Kopech is appealing as heck, to say nothing of the lesser names involved. Fans don’t need to trash the guys you’re using in a deal for a player.

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    • ctguy

      8 years ago

      “Sonny Gray is no ace” – A’s fans

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    • ReverieDays

      8 years ago

      This.

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    • ucalex

      8 years ago

      Kaprielian will hurt the most to lose bc when healthy he looks like a true Ace

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      • Chris

        8 years ago

        Yeah was disappointed to see his inclusion but hopefully Gray remains healthy and I’ll be okay with it

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  8. failedstate

    8 years ago

    FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  9. jonscriff

    8 years ago

    FINALLY

    Reply
  10. bobbleheadguru

    8 years ago

    Ok then…

    Reply
  11. STLShadows

    8 years ago

    Interesting wonder who’s heading to Oakland

    Reply
  12. TurboSandwichCPA

    8 years ago

    Yes! Let’s see who the prospects are.

    Reply
  13. yanks2009

    8 years ago

    Nicee!!!

    Reply
  14. camnewton42

    8 years ago

    It is official , the Yankees are going to the playoffs.

    1
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  15. Free Clay Zavada

    8 years ago

    Judge and Sanchez is the return, I’m hearing. Excellent trade for the Yanks addressing an area of need!

    3
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    • dave1775

      8 years ago

      Corny .try again to be funny

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      • Free Clay Zavada

        8 years ago

        Ok, Judge and Frazier then. Better?

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        • DavidLee69

          8 years ago

          Nope. Just drink bleach

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  16. timm-2

    8 years ago

    Let’s see who we gave up.

    Reply
  17. jljr222

    8 years ago

    Fowler, Mateo and Kap going to A’s

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    • redsox0065

      8 years ago

      Ok so a busted knee, a top prospect, and a tommy john returner

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      • tharrie0820

        8 years ago

        I think kaprelian had the highest ceiling of any of the yankees pitching prospects

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      • redsoxu571

        8 years ago

        Except Mateo isn’t even a “top prospect”. He had the look of a very overrated guy two years ago (the speed is huge but I saw a major lack of important baseball skills) and he has slid back exactly as I expected ever since. He is now a second or third tier prospect who easily might have no MLB future, though there is certainly still a good deal of upside if he makes major strides.

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  18. Gambit1193

    8 years ago

    Fowler, Kap and MAteo

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  19. Lovetron

    8 years ago

    Fowler, Mateo, Kaprelian

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    • stratcrowder

      8 years ago

      Bingo

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  20. darthpaul

    8 years ago

    Florial+Mateo+change

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    • darthpaul

      8 years ago

      whelp, I was wrong

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  21. Priggs89

    8 years ago

    Let’s see who was closer – A’s fans or Yankee fans

    Reply
  22. metsfan31

    8 years ago

    Hopefully this will open the flood gates in the last hour

    Reply
  23. CAVS0223

    8 years ago

    Wow. That’s a haul for Gray for sure.

    Reply
  24. Gambit1193

    8 years ago

    FLEEEECCCCINGGGGGGGGGGGG

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  25. dodgerfan711

    8 years ago

    Where is refsnyder?

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    • hiflew

      8 years ago

      Toronto

      1
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    • DanielDannyDano

      8 years ago

      Toronto

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    • jbuiles

      8 years ago

      cooperstown, probably.

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      • shelteredsoxfan

        8 years ago

        Heard he got a unanimous vote too

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    • Kayrall

      8 years ago

      They would NEVER include him in a trade for a #4 starter like Sunny Gray….

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      • YankeeMan3099

        8 years ago

        Sonny Gray is not a number 4 starter sorry he’s more of a 1 or 2 here come all the Yankee haters now that we got him and try to say the guy is no good why am I not surprised? Before the guy got hurt last year his previous 2 years he won 14 games and was a all star in 2015 you call that a number 4 starter really? What planet are you living on.

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        • Chucky25

          8 years ago

          you are correct,Sonny is a very good #2,and a good #1 on some staffs,I feel his injuries are behind him,I’d be more concerned with the home runs he tends to give up with the smaller stadiums in the east,I loved his time in Oakland and hope he does well vs everyone but Oakland

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  26. greenarrow1150

    8 years ago

    that’s it…? really

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  27. Bk12

    8 years ago

    Judge, Torres, Frazier going the other way.
    #fakenews

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  28. dave1775

    8 years ago

    Fowler Mateo and Kaprilian

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  29. Eric D.

    8 years ago

    How do the Yankees always get the best returns? Gray for two guys with massive injuries???

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    • timm-2

      8 years ago

      Kaprelian was very highly thought of before the TJS. Assuming he returns to form he was supposed to be a potential top of the rotation starter. I really hate losing him. Gray essentially replaces him with Severino, Gray, Adams, and Sheffield a potential future rotation.

      Fowler is all risk with the nasty injury but before that another highly though of prospect who fits their CF need.

      Mateo lost a bunch of luster and then regained most if not all of it back again this year.

      This tells me Cashman likes Acevedo and Florial more than Mateo and Kaprelian. If that’s the case I’m happy with the deal.

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      • Eric D.

        8 years ago

        That’s a big assumption with Kaprielian. It seems like prospects who have tommy John are never as successful as established big leaguers. Look at Mark Appel, Tyler Kolek, etc. this seems more of a return for Yu Darvish, not 2.5 years of a pitcher of Grays caliber

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        • timm-2

          8 years ago

          did degrom have a tjs in the minors? Didn’t matz have 2?

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    • Cubguy13

      8 years ago

      Probably cuz Gray will likely have a massive injury soon also

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      • YankeeMan3099

        8 years ago

        Lol let me guess you wouldn’t say he will have a massive injury if the Cubs got him right? You haters are so hypocritical it’s unbelievable I read on here for weeks how you Cub fans wanted Gray and that he’s a good pitcher and how Theo was going to jump out of the bushes and steal him. So because you didn’t get him now you are wishing injury on the guy? Real nice go enjoy your championship you won last year because it will be another 108 years before you ungrateful Cub fans ever win another one.

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    • NCYankee

      8 years ago

      When you see Kap pitch and Mateo hitting and running you will see why This Yankee fan hates this trade!

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      • BSPORT

        8 years ago

        Ok, we will see if they come to Yankee stadium with the A’s in 2019. Yankees will probably celebrate #28 before you see Kap or Mateo play for A’s. Fowler will probably be in their lineup next year.

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      • YankeeMan3099

        8 years ago

        You sound ridiculous

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  30. The show

    8 years ago

    Not bad for a pitcher who has fallen off a bit since his best years

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    • xHoratiox

      8 years ago

      Gray’s FIP would disagree.

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    • Chris

      8 years ago

      Lol classic

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    • redsoxu571

      8 years ago

      Gray looks every bit as good as he has in EVERY season but 2016. Pitchers are allowed to have a hiccup season if their otherwise established baseball is terrific (think Jon Lester). He’s right back where he was two years ago.

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      • BSPORT

        8 years ago

        Also sometimes new coaching staff can help a younger pitcher get better and a change of environment to a team that expects to win and if you don’t help do that you are gone. ( unless you have a ridiculous contract that you can’t get rid of)

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  31. seattlehof24

    8 years ago

    …and the rich get richer.

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    • hodor 3

      8 years ago

      Well, the Yankees did get cash back in this trade…

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    • YankeeMan3099

      8 years ago

      You mad bro? Lol I love all these Yankee hating TROLLS

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  32. Braves fan 4

    8 years ago

    Mateo is one of the 3 players

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  33. fatelfunnel

    8 years ago

    Mateo, Fowler and Kaprielian

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  34. MB923

    8 years ago

    I’ll take it.

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  35. koz16

    8 years ago

    Hate it. I like Gray but not that much.

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    • hiflew

      8 years ago

      Really? You are complaining about getting a top starter for one top prospect (not even your best two) and two others that have experienced devastating injuries. Did you expect to get him for a PTBNL?

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      • Priggs89

        8 years ago

        Mateo isn’t even considered a “top prospect” anymore. I wouldn’t be too upset about that as a Yanks fan.

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      • redsoxu571

        8 years ago

        If you are a Yankee fan and you hate this trade, you are spoiled rotten. Gray is about as ideal an add as the team could hope for and this is about as cheap as a player with this profile gets, not to mention that this is about as disposable a package (of this overall value) as the Yankees could have put together.

        This is a slam dunk deal for the Yankees, period, end of story. The return for Oakland isn’t “worthless” (no prospects ever are), but this is ideal for the team.

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        • Eil718

          8 years ago

          Absolutely correct Red

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    • NCYankee

      8 years ago

      Me too

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    • BSPORT

      8 years ago

      Fans never want to give anybody up. You have to give something up to get something. Yankees gave up 2 hurt future maybes and guy that was not progressing for a 27 year old controllable starter that’s cheap and a 3-4 in any rotation. Comparable to Quintana and Yankees gave up less than Cubs did. If Kap ever turns into an Ace he’s on the perfect team for the Yanks to trade back for him in a few years once the A’s figure out what he is.

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  36. Aoe3

    8 years ago

    The Yankees rebuild to over the top contender happened much sooner than expected. Excited to see how Clint Frazier makes out in the next few months.

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    • Vottomatic

      8 years ago

      Ask his girlfriend.

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  37. Francys01

    8 years ago

    Welcome to the NY Yankees. Nice

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  38. ChiSox_Fan

    8 years ago

    A’s get Fowler Mateo Kapriel

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  39. halos101

    8 years ago

    seems like a theme of underwhelming returns…

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    • Momus

      8 years ago

      Can’t argue the return the Jays got for Liriano. I was whelmed.

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  40. unsaturatedmatz

    8 years ago

    If the Yankees were gonna give up 3 top 10 guys, Cashman put the right package together. Fowler and Kaprielian are coming off of huge injuries and are high risk. Mateo has torn up Double-A, but he’s blocked.

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  41. fatelfunnel

    8 years ago

    That’s a steal for Yankees

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  42. fckphil

    8 years ago

    i was good til i saw we gave up Kaprielian…hes going to be an ace for the A’s.

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    • ctguy

      8 years ago

      Kaprelian could be very good…….assuming he recovers from TJ surgery

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    • timm-2

      8 years ago

      yeah I hate losing Kaprelian I’ve heard so much about him. Cashman maybe likes Acevedo more? Gray replaces Kaprelian in the projected rotation? I was sweating the Adams or Sheffield rumors. I’m REALLY happy they weren’t included.

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  43. Padresrebuild

    8 years ago

    WOW, Yanks can compete with Astros now

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    • Otto371

      8 years ago

      No, no they cant.

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  44. Bob Knob

    8 years ago

    No Florian ???
    Was he a smokescreen or did the Yanks hold-fast on him ???

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  45. arc89

    8 years ago

    Worst trade ever for Beane. This makes Donaldson trade a great trade.

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  46. stratcrowder

    8 years ago

    As long as it’s not any of our near future pieces and players at positions we’re deep at….I’m waiting patiently now to find out. Not. Patient. At. All.

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  47. imindless

    8 years ago

    Fleeced! Two injured players and a fringe decent player in Mateo. Absolutely fleeced!

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    • thegreatcerealfamine

      8 years ago

      Troll alert^^

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  48. raef715

    8 years ago

    interesting, their pictures all all under each other on the Yanks mlb prospect page as 4, 8 and 12.

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  49. steelax42

    8 years ago

    Baseball is such a joke. Bye bye to parity for the next 10 years, welcome back to the 90’s. The trade deadline sucks. You have 5 months in the offseason to make your team good. Teams should be forced to stick with what they have. That’s why there are minor leagues. This is just ridiculously unfair.

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    • Free Clay Zavada

      8 years ago

      Salt levels = off the charts

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    • thegreatcerealfamine

      8 years ago

      Take your matchbox cars and go home Skippy..omfg

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    • hunthutch

      8 years ago

      The As don’t have to make the trade lmao but they though it was the best there

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    • hodor 3

      8 years ago

      What’s the problem? Some teams are better at picking up prospects or developing them to make good trades at the deadline. Any team can do this, provided they do the work of what I said above and improve themselves (or have it backfire).

      Not seeing the validity of your issue at all.

      P.S. Parity will always remain. Your recency bias isn’t reflecting history.

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    • KnicksFanCavsFan

      8 years ago

      Did the Yanks just trade for Cy Young or Walter Johnson? Relax dude. This doesn’t make the Yankees a lock for anything,

      Reply
  50. jdgoat

    8 years ago

    Wow huge package going to Oakland

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    • thegreatcerealfamine

      8 years ago

      Two injured players and Mateo,as a Yankee fan Ill take that!!!

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      • El Duderino

        8 years ago

        Great deal for the Yankees. Cashman does it again.

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        • comebacktrail28

          8 years ago

          he’s the most overrated GM of all time

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  51. AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

    8 years ago

    That’s it? One top 100 prospect? (and that being #77, not even in the top 50)

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    • southi

      8 years ago

      What did you expect? While Gray is comparable to Quintana in ability but the difference is the third less control time (2 years compared to 3 years). That one fewer year is a big difference in return..

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      • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

        8 years ago

        Yankees got a better return last year for a reliever with the same amount of control left that Gray has now.

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        • timm-2

          8 years ago

          who was in much higher demand. clearly several teams could have offered more yet didn’t.

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    • mikeyst13

      8 years ago

      That’s if you’re looking at MLB.com rankings, Baseball America actually has him at #89 and Mateo not even in the Yanks top 10…..

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  52. stratcrowder

    8 years ago

    I’m good with this trade.

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  53. steelcitybucc0s

    8 years ago

    Good work A’s… nice return

    Yanks can do something like that… no1 thought they were keeping all these prospects lol

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    • ctguy

      8 years ago

      I was worried Cashman would give up a top prospect….especially a healthy one.

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  54. Priggs89

    8 years ago

    Hmmm. A lot of risk here for the A’s. If everyone was healthy, I’d love it for them, but that’s obviously not reality. I would’ve rather had a healthy Florial, Mateo, and a lesser pitching prospect. But if Fowler and Kap can bounce back, this isn’t a bad haul. I’d take a healthy Fowler of Florial any day of the week right now.

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    • bernbabybern

      8 years ago

      If Kaprielian were healthy he would probably be in the rotation by now and they wouldn’t have gotten him. Looked excellent before the injury. I actually may have preferred to trade Adams or Sheffield instead.

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    • aff10

      8 years ago

      This is my take too. I can’t decide if I like it for Oakland. Massive upside here, but also extreme risk. Not often a team can get three prospects of this caliber, but I wouldn’t be completely shocked to see literally none of these guys reach the majors (again, in Fowler’s case obviously)

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      • shanedelreal12

        8 years ago

        A’s need some upside guys. If this Kap guy recovers fully, the A’s of the next few years can be really good.

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  55. Phillies2017

    8 years ago

    I like the deal for both- but my initial preference leans toward the A’s. I feel like Fowler and Mateo could be starters or at least productive role players. Kap is high ceiling, but high injury risk. Overall, I like the package.
    Plus Gray helps the Yanks a lot

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  56. ChiSox_Fan

    8 years ago

    Yanks get Intl Pool money too.

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  57. SoILCubFan77

    8 years ago

    That’s a weak trade for the A’s.

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  58. IloveMACfootball

    8 years ago

    Yankees suck

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  59. Gwynning's Anal Lover

    8 years ago

    This is a good upside trade for both teams.

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  60. Mike M 2

    8 years ago

    The Red Sox are a mess and the Yankees are getting better and better. Two weeks ago I thought the Red Sox were a lock in the East.

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  61. gneedoba

    8 years ago

    As an A’s fan I love this trade, I think both sides did well. It’s not like Gray comes with zero risk, he could become 2016 Sonny Gray at the drop of a hat. Or he could dominate and the Yanks win a WS title. I’ll hope so for Grays sake. But realistically he wasn’t worth Torres or Frazier

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  62. balisox

    8 years ago

    This seems like a light package for Sonny gray?

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  63. saavedra

    8 years ago

    This deal is good for both teams. I would give a slight edge to the Yankees, but not a bad return at all.

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    • thump

      8 years ago

      What did the Padres get for Hand?

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  64. hodor 3

    8 years ago

    They didn’t give up Florial or Chance (along with the two untouchables). Interesting trade. I’m sure A’s fans are heartbroken nothing happened with Alonso, though. NYY was their best chance at getting something halfway decent for a potential flash in the pan 1B.

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  65. Ookashfah

    8 years ago

    Yanks got fleeced

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    • LA Sam

      8 years ago

      Gave up a lot!!!

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  66. bruinsfan94 2

    8 years ago

    Lol can’t wait to hear what JustAnotherFan has to say. He said Gray would get this huge return and there was beyond zero chance Fowler gets traded.

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    • Mike M 2

      8 years ago

      that guy is usually wrong

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      • hodor 3

        8 years ago

        He does have some wacky opinions. He was so sure the Yankees HAD to have Alonso as well.

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    • timm-2

      8 years ago

      I am shocked Fowler got traded. I hope it means Beane looked at the medicals and is convinced the kid will come back 100%. That injury looked gruesome.

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      • Priggs89

        8 years ago

        I’m no doctor, but I think he’s waaaay too far away to tell that at this point…

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  67. citizen

    8 years ago

    they still wont win the ws or go far in the playoffs if they make it at all.

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    • BSPORT

      8 years ago

      Why not? What team is more complete? I will bet nobody will look forward to playing this team in the playoffs. They have one of the better run producing lineups in league and arguably the best bullpen in league. Starters can do 5-6 solid innings and be ok. Severino, Tanaka, Gray, Montgomery, CC and Garcia is enough starters with bullpen to potentially get 28. Dodgers maybe? Nationals? Astros?

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  68. balleslife

    8 years ago

    Braves fans everywhere are breathing a sigh of relief they didn’t trade acuña for him

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  69. Cuso

    8 years ago

    Mm. Lots of A’s fans were saying how Beane wasn’t going to budge for a deal that didn’t include Frazier, Florial, Torres and Sheffield.

    Whoops.

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    • arc89

      8 years ago

      99% of A’s fans say Beane choked and got a terrible trade package. Cashman told Beane to bend over and Beane said how far. This realy sucks I am surprised that more teams don’t talk collusion on this trade. It wasn’t just bad for the A’s it was the worst possible outcome the A’s could get. A OF who has such a bad injury could never play again and a starter coming off TJS and a infielder that can’t play defense. middle finger in the air to Beane.

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      • failedstate

        8 years ago

        This is the type of hot take I live for. Thank you sir.

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      • JP8

        8 years ago

        collusion? here we go Cash must’ve had a secret meeting with Vassily or some other Russian

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      • xabial

        8 years ago

        Did you read the comments up to this point? 2016 Sonny Gray. Enough Said. One top 100 prospect, 3 yankees top 10

        I have a bad feeling about Fowler but James and Mateo isn’t bad. Return.

        Stop overvaluing

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    • ctguy

      8 years ago

      I doubt anybody really thought Yanks were giving up any of Frazier, Florial, Torres or Sheffield. Cashman made it clear from the beginning he wouldn’t.

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  70. hunthutch

    8 years ago

    A’s get raped lol. Maybe this will give the dodgers leverage for darvish now. If the As get a #78 prospect for a guy with 3 years of control
    Compared to darvish with 2 months left I’ll be surprised if rangers get anyone more than just yusniel Diaz.

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  71. 66TheNumberOfTheBest

    8 years ago

    Honestly, anyone complaining about this trade from either side has/had unrealistic expectations.

    A’s get 3 pieces with MLB upside and the Yanks get a key piece without giving up players they need.

    Good trade.

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    • hunthutch

      8 years ago

      No way this is a good trade. Fowler is obviously the “big piece” the As got and he just got a ruptured patella tendon which is a very serious injury and he’s an outfielder. I’ll be surprised if he returns to anywhere close to where he was before. Terrible trade for the As from a dodgers fan

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      • JT19

        8 years ago

        Players have suffered worse injuries and come back to play well. Granted every player is made differently so injuries affect guys differently, but there’s no reason (yet) to believe that Fowler can’t come back to play well.

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    • cspaced25 2

      8 years ago

      I can see rolling the dice on Fowler and Kap rather than taking lower prospects. Both healthy, they are top tier prospects, not the elite group, but right up there.

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  72. cardfan2011

    8 years ago

    Does this mean teams will now go after Lynn harder?

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  73. Eil718

    8 years ago

    IF I never see Caleb Smith again, It would be too soon.
    Today was well worth the wait

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    • timm-2

      8 years ago

      amen to that

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  74. SixFlagsMagicPadres

    8 years ago

    The return is a little surprising, but still, what a trade.

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    • thegreatcerealfamine

      8 years ago

      They didn’t trade for Randy Johnson.

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  75. firstbleed

    8 years ago

    Strong package. From the Brewers perspective it would have been something similar to Corey Ray, Luis Ortiz/Woodruff and maybe Marcos Diplan. Glad they didn’t make this move. Still a year or two away.

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    • augold5

      8 years ago

      More like Ortiz, Diaz and Phillips with Ortiz and Phillips being out for the season.

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  76. HelloItsMe

    8 years ago

    Who received a better return, Quintana or Gray?

    On the surface it appears Quintana did (#1 and 2 in Cubs system) vs, Gray (#4 and 8 in Yankees system)

    Other opinions?

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    • pspahn

      8 years ago

      We’ll find out in a few years.

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      • hiflew

        8 years ago

        How it turns out is completely irrelevant. The question is the current cost. At the current cost, Quintana was far more expensive.

        Think of it like buying two identical houses in two different neighborhoods. After three years, if one of those houses loses value due to flood damage and the other gains value due to neighborhood renovation, it has no effect on the original purchase price.

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        • East Coast Bias

          8 years ago

          Unless one house is more prone to flooding.

          When buying, flood risk should factor into the decision. Translate that into baseball terms as you wish.

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        • saavedra

          8 years ago

          It does with an appropriate hindsight.

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        • Priggs89

          8 years ago

          Wouldn’t Gray be the one with more flood risk (previous serious injury), if we’re going to keep using this analogy?

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        • pspahn

          8 years ago

          From everything I recall watching the A’s last year, I never considered his injury “severe”. He had mechanical issues that were a factor and he was always durable prior to that. I honestly don’t think you have to worry much about his “severe injury history”, because it’s just not really there.

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    • rycm131

      8 years ago

      Not even worth a discussion

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    • mikeyst13

      8 years ago

      Eloy is #5 prospect overall according to BA, #7 on MLB, and #8 on BP. Sox win.

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      • HelloItsMe

        8 years ago

        Not to mention the fact that both players the White Sox received are healthy and continuing to develop, while Fowler and Kaprielian both likely won’t continue their development until 2018.

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  77. Darkness

    8 years ago

    Astros better get Britton before deadline..especially with all these other moves..

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  78. thekid9

    8 years ago

    For two injured players and one with an attitude problem. Yankees used the Jedi Mind trick on Billy Beane

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  79. mike156

    8 years ago

    I’m not going to be dancing in the streets as a Yankee’s fan here. Yankees turned themselves upside down last year to get younger and more athletic, and now….

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    • hiflew

      8 years ago

      And now they acquired a really good starter for two injured prospects and another that was pretty much blocked. Jeez, I would have loved to get Gray for my team for that price.

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    • Chris

      8 years ago

      They still are? They loss zero guys that were gonna be able to really play a part anytime soon other than James K who is coming off tommy John. In return they now have fortified a rotation capable of getting them into the playoffs and doing damage once there and also locking up at the worse a number 3 pitcher for the next 2.5 seasons. Losing Kaprielian could hurt if he turns out to be as good as many of us thank he will be, but it’s still a very fair deal honestly

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    • Gambit1193

      8 years ago

      And Now they’re still younger and athletic lol

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    • cspaced25 2

      8 years ago

      Gray is younger than Pineda and under control for 2 years. SO uhh yeah they got younger and more team control

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    • tjpear

      8 years ago

      … they have two starting outfielders who haven’t turned 26, three starting pitchers under the age of 27, two middle infielders who are 27, and a 24 year old starting catcher. Oh, and they held on to their top 3 prospects in all these trades who can contribute as soon as next year.

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    • justinept

      8 years ago

      They did what they did last year not to get younger, but to get younger AND cheaper. They realized they couldn’t just throw money at every problem like they did 20 years ago. Gray fits that bill. The Yanks had a huge need for pitching with only two starters under contract past this year. Gray will fill a huge hole in the rotation and costs a fraction of the price for a free agent starter. Those savings will go a long way when the Yanks pursue guys like Harper and Machado after next year

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  80. WTFrichard

    8 years ago

    Poor Mooch, but what a haul for the A’s!

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  81. Jamespfunk

    8 years ago

    Yankees managed to get Gray for bit that big of a package. I would have guessed Frazier or Torres would have had to be included.

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  82. Mbolled

    8 years ago

    Don’t you think the deal took so long was the team doctor wanted to see all charts and when they get to Oakland a full physical. If they feel they can’t come back to full strength, the deal will end or player changed. The physical will make or break trade

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  83. slider32

    8 years ago

    Good trade for both teams- Mateo and Fowler look to be blocked and Kapreilian coming off Tommy John. He was their best pitching prospect going into this year. Yanks get to top end pitcher for a few years that they can pitch in the playoffs if they get there. Their relief pitching is killer so he will only need to go 5+ innings in the playoffs.

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  84. Logjammer D"Baggagecling

    8 years ago

    I hope Fowler recovers and does well for Oakland. Gray will look nice in pinstripes. #55

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  85. hiflew

    8 years ago

    This is a freaking steal. the #77 prospect and two other decent prospects would normally be the cost of a rental ace, not one with three years of control. Johnny Cueto cost more when the Royals got him. So did Zack Greinke to the Angels. I figured this would be the price for Yu Darvish, not Gray. At this rate Darvish will be traded for a 16th rounder last year and the best hot dog vendor in the left field bleachers.

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    • manny0209

      8 years ago

      Lmaoo good one

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  86. augold5

    8 years ago

    Brinson was a deal breaker, and the best prospect they got was Fowler? Smh

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  87. mlbstadiumtraveler

    8 years ago

    Gray is going to get lit up in the AL East. He’s not a difference maker. Glad the Yankees got him.

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    • thegreatcerealfamine

      8 years ago

      The salt is strong in this one Luke.

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    • hiflew

      8 years ago

      Do people really think the AL East is that much better than everyone else? Gray held his own in the Astros division and last I checked they were quite a bit better than any AL East team.

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    • jh8913

      8 years ago

      Someone’s upset

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  88. thegreatcerealfamine

    8 years ago

    Thank god..good job again Cash! Hey A’s fans your next big hurdle is a new stadium,theirs always Vegas.

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  89. phantomofdb

    8 years ago

    I’d put money on the A’s winning this deal in the long run.

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    • thegreatcerealfamine

      8 years ago

      Doesn’t matter it’s the A’s.

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    • pspahn

      8 years ago

      I could see this competing with the Mulder trade in the long run. While Oakland only really got Haren back for Mulder, Haren turned into CarGo, Brett Anderson, and Chris Carter.

      Which, unfortunately, means that one of these guys is Daric Barton.

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  90. Remms12

    8 years ago

    and all the hypothesized packages around this deal were wrong as usual. lesson don’t try and guess/get mad about what the prospect package will be… you’ll always be wrong.

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  91. rycm131

    8 years ago

    A’s blinked and got fleeced (in comparison to the Jose Quintana deal)

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    • HelloItsMe

      8 years ago

      Rick Hahn is the smartest GM in baseball. Making Beane and Avila look like amatuers.

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      • OrangeKhrush

        8 years ago

        rick hahn gave up Semien + for 1 year of Samardzija, hardly smart.

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    • capnfatback

      8 years ago

      Part of the difference in returns might be that Quintana has clearly been a superior pitcher to gray over the past 4 seasons.

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  92. 88DodgerFan

    8 years ago

    Cashman pulled one over Beane once again. Not sure how this deal helps Oakland at all. Mateo is not a center fielder, that’s not what the A’s were looking for a week ago.

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  93. Brixton

    8 years ago

    Upside > Safety for Beane here, gotta respect that.
    Solid deal for both sides

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  94. Lovetron

    8 years ago

    Disappointing return as an A’s fan, for sure.

    Fowler had a serious injury, but was a great prospect before.. but he might be more of a 2019 get than a 2018 get.

    Mateo looks to me, to be a sizeable bit behind Florial as a prospect. Maybe a lightweight Billy Hamilton?

    Kap literally just had TJ surgery. So we got 2 big-time injured players and Mateo for Sonny Gray. Cashman killed us here. Well done, Yankees

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    • timm-2

      8 years ago

      I think Mateo is Billy Hamilton with a higher avg and obp … a good thing in their ballpark.

      You’d have to think they checked Fowler’s injury in great detail to make the deal.

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      • Lovetron

        8 years ago

        Eh I do sports medicine, a patella injury is pretty tough to predict outwards. TJ’s is much easier, but you dont know how the individual responds.

        TONS of risk here. Way too much when you are trading a top-end starter in a depleted market with 2.5 years of control.. A’s left value on the table here, and I dont like it one bit for us.

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    • cky7

      8 years ago

      It’s definitely not the haul the Yankees got in their trades last year, but no team was giving up their top prospects for Gray.

      A’s probably win the trade in the long term. If everything works out, they get two everyday players and a top of the rotation starter. And they didn’t have to include Yonder Alonso in the deal so they can maybe swap him for a couple of lower tier prospects before midnight.

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      • chino31

        8 years ago

        Deadline was at 4

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  95. greatdaysport

    8 years ago

    Breaking news from ESPN: Guatamalan soccer team breaks ground for new practice field.

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  96. 24TheKid

    8 years ago

    Shohei Otani?

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  97. timm-2

    8 years ago

    looks like I need to bench Gray in my fantasy league for tonight.

    Yanks still have an opening on the 40 man roster. I don’t think they are done. Something else is gonna happen. It may be merely a promotion.

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    • MB923

      8 years ago

      Trading Yefry Ramirez to Baltimore opened a 40 man spot.

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  98. steelerbravenation

    8 years ago

    Unbelievable that’s all they got for Gray & the Braves couldn’t match or exceed that.
    Pache, Wentz, Demeritte & Blair would be a far superior package than what the Yankees gave up. Guess Coppy didn’t want him.

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    • ctguy

      8 years ago

      Or maybe Beane didn’t like what the Braves were offering

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    • tbonenats

      8 years ago

      Disagree. The package they got from Yanks is far superior IMO. Not as much upside but much higher floors.

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  99. Mbolled

    8 years ago

    Yankee stadium is not the “Big A…he is a fly ball pitcher. When his stuff is in he is a true number 2, but the AL west is not the AL east..overall the Yankees got what they wanted. Oakland will have doctors do every test to make sure the prospects are able to be back. This trade is for next season for Oakland

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  100. East Coast Bias

    8 years ago

    I’d say Yanks gave up valuable, but expendable, pieces and got back a legit ace. Wouldn’t be surprised to see the A’s trade Kap in a few years for another big haul haha. Dude looks good when healthy!

    Judge/Frazier/Florial or a FA signing will the future OF. And with Gleyber supplanting Mateo at SS, 2B will have to be handled with some combination of Didi, Castro, or someone else.

    Good trade for the Yanks.

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    • Priggs89

      8 years ago

      I was with you until you said the Yankees got back a legit ace.

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  101. fatelfunnel

    8 years ago

    All I heard from A’s fans was that Gray was better or just as good as Quintana. Sox received the 7th and 67th best prospects in baseball. A’s got 77th and two other good prospects ( two of them are currently hurt ). I like the three guys the A’s got but love the trade from the Yankees point of view.
    A’s should of got more.

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    • failedstate

      8 years ago

      I refuse to say fleeced but I am certainly surprised.

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  102. toddybaseball

    8 years ago

    What a joke. Fire Beane and Forst.

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  103. BronxBomber7

    8 years ago

    Wow. Im a Yanks fan, but this is absolute highway robbery. Brian Cashman is a damned gangster. I thought at least Florial and Mateo was going in this deal. Maybe McKinney in place of Florial. But Fowler, Mateo and Kaprielian. Basically what Beane said here is Gray is wortb Mateo only. I got news for you, youll never Fowler on a ML field, however Kaprielian will be a high upside pitcher.

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    • timm-2

      8 years ago

      I agree about Kaprelian. I wonder if this means they like Acevedo more.

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    • hunthutch

      8 years ago

      That’s what I’m saying Fowler is done lol unless you wanna DH him but he will have no speed

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    • rangers99

      8 years ago

      You’re greatly underestimating Flower….he was injured in a fluke accident. Busting his a$$ to get to a foul ball….if he didn’t get hurt, I truly believe he would have still been in NYC and been on the untouchable prospect list….he will be at spring training for the A’s and he will be an impact player…he’s a faster, more powerful Gardner….

      Kap has had arm issues for two years now…he won’t be back till mid season, 2018…and he will probably be at high A…so this was a long term risk for the A’s. But he has significant upside….

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  104. Clyde Millhaven

    8 years ago

    Thus bringing the end to Billy Beane’s reputation.

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  105. Ed Charles

    8 years ago

    Bad trade for both teams. A’s get mediocre prospects and the Yankees trade for a pitcher thats an injury waiting to happen. pitcher

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    • Ry.the.Stunner

      8 years ago

      Then how is it bad for both teams? You’d suggest the A’s would’ve been better off keeping “an injury waiting to happen” instead of getting something for him?

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      • thegreatcerealfamine

        8 years ago

        An injury waiting to happen..you’re a salty idiot.

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  106. Dave DeBernardis

    8 years ago

    lol Is this a joke? Now I feel like I wasted so much time reading all of the A’s fan (and others) posts this past week. Was assured Beane would just “walk away” without any of he big name prospects included. I wasn’t one of the people worried about Gray’s injuries, but now I’m feeling skeptical

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    • rycm131

      8 years ago

      Anyone who said that ignores the returns Billy Beane typically gets. Almost always quantity over quality

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  107. Adios pelota!

    8 years ago

    Not a bad trade for the A’s in my opinion… high risk definitely! But, you could potentially have 2 everyday players and a possible ace starter (dunno much about him, just everyone’s opinions I’m reading). For Gray who in my opinion is a very good #2 starter but, not an absolute ace. Kinda like the Jose Quintana pickup

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  108. hiflyer000

    8 years ago

    From a completely unbiased perspective I think this was a fair deal for both sides. Gray is NOT the ace many make him out to be (more of a solid #3, low end #2) and the prospects they got back could be good if their medicals check out. You could say the Yanks got the better end due to the injuries, but the A’s could end up winning it if they fully recover.

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  109. JT19

    8 years ago

    People are reading into the injuries too much. It’s not like Fowler and Kaprielian are older prospects with a history of poor performance or a bad injury history. Their injuries are bad, but there’s little reason (as of right now) to believe that they can’t come back. Beane has stated that he wanted high upside guys in trades this year instead of the potentially safer, more projectable, or fill-a-need type of prospects that he has been trading for in the past. There’s a great deal of risk for both sides on this trade. Gray has an injury history and some consistency issues but addresses their biggest need. And prospects, no matter who they are, are always risky because anything could happen to them. It was unrealistic to expect Frazier or Torres going to Oakland, but it was also unrealistic to expect a package of multiple mid-tier prospects to be enough for Gray (quality over quantity). Personally, I think the A’s should’ve swapped out Fowler or Kaprielian for another well-regarded prospect without an injury red flag, but both have a ton of upside if they can return to health.

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  110. rmullig2

    8 years ago

    The A’s traded Gray for two players who are bigger injury risks than he is. Can’t wait to see how they spin this in the Moneyball sequel.

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    • thegreatcerealfamine

      8 years ago

      The book has a tentative title..Viva Las Vegas

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    • mikeyst13

      8 years ago

      Just because they are injured right now doesn’t make them bigger injury risks. Fowlers injury was a freak accident, and while it will take a while to get back to full strength a surgically repaired patellar is generally not something you need to worry about. As for Kaprelian, teams no longer fear TJ surgery. Most guys actually come back with even more velocity than before these days.

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      • chino31

        8 years ago

        Matt Harvey???

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        • BronxBombers14

          8 years ago

          I blame Harvey on the Mets. You don’t allow a guy coming off TJ surgery to throw 215 innings the next season… just like you don’t let syndergaard continue to pitch because he knows his body.

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  111. del_got_it

    8 years ago

    when i first saw return i thought the Yankees won. this is very high risk high reward type deal for the A’s. but in a few years it could be very clearly in the A’s favor.

    i can see Fowler & Mateo being in the A’s outfield as early as next year especially if Fowler recover well from injury. and i can see Mateo batting leadoff and Fowler hitting 2nd.

    and Kap has the potential to be a top of the rotation starter for the A’s in a few years if he recovers well from TJ surgery.

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    • thegreatcerealfamine

      8 years ago

      Fowler won’t be ready that quick and Mateo is farther out then that.

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      • Yankeefanatic

        8 years ago

        Fowler is projected to ready for spring training, I am sure that is why Beane was willing to accept him in a trade.

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          8 years ago

          Projected to be ready after missing half a season is a huge deal. He “might be ready” is more like it and he’ll need to play some minors games. The guy said he sees them in the outfield next year and that’s just hopeful thinking..to each his own.

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  112. KnicksFanCavsFan

    8 years ago

    Wow…I’m suprised Cash was able to pull that off. Not because they aren’t good prospects but because Fowler and Kap are on the DL list and may not play at all until 2018. I do think Mateo will be a special player tho. Hurts to lose him but you have to give to get.

    Kudos for Cash for evaluating the trade market and holding to his guns AND getting international draft pool money too.

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  113. CJ81

    8 years ago

    I think it’s a great trade for both teams. A’s got what would be 3 top 10 prospects on almost any other team, and Yankees get a borderline #1/#2 starter.

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  114. madmanTX

    8 years ago

    Can’t believe that A’s couldn’t get 1-2 of their top guys. Smh

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    • jdgoat

      8 years ago

      They got three of their top guys. Smh

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      • YankeeMan3099

        8 years ago

        You know what’s funny is that some A’s fans are complaining about this trade and saying Beane should be fired, why? The guy is not stupid it’s not like he rushed to trade Gray he waited until deadline day with a hour to go he waited as long as he could and this was the best offer he was going to get. Beane is one of the best out there he’s in a small market and has worked with very little resources and still puts a representable team on the field. Look at that trade he made to get Khris Davis from the Brewers great trade by him he gave up guys you never even heard of, listen there’s no perfect GM or VP out there there’s going to be mistakes that are made but have some respect for Billy the guy would get a job in a second if he was ever available.

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  115. bravesfan

    8 years ago

    a couple seriously injured prospects, plus one really young one, for Gray and solid international money. I love Fowler, but my god this is a much better deal for the Yanks. They keep what they wanted to keep, and give up players with some questions marks while keeping their system really strong, get a controllable solid pitcher, and a nice chunk of money … nice move by the yanks.

    Braves can only tip their hats to that. A’s must have hit a little bit of a panic mode. Still high potential return for the A’s, but if you’re an A’s fan, you are probably a little disappointed after the hype associated with Gray for so long

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  116. timm-2

    8 years ago

    Yanks to acquire Yu Darvish …. wait for it…….

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    • ttinsley1434

      8 years ago

      Still waiting……

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  117. hyraxwithaflamethrower

    8 years ago

    Surprised the A’s took two injury-history guys in exchange for their top asset. They have high ceilings and could work out, and doubtless he’ll try to sell this to fans as, “We got three guys that, when healthy, have the potential to be stars in this league,” but this just seems like settling.

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    • Hanlog1105

      8 years ago

      Almost every pitcher gets TJ these days. Fowler was a unfortunate freak injury

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      • hyraxwithaflamethrower

        8 years ago

        That doesn’t mean all of them come back strong from it, or that Fowler will be the same guy. I hope they all work out for the A’s, but I think the Yankees got the better of this deal. They didn’t give up nearly what the Cubs did to get Quintana.

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  118. dust44

    8 years ago

    Technically the As got what all there fans have been saying they would. A CFer a top prospect and a starting pitching prospect. Just not the 3 they wanted so they r gunna whine about it.
    Being a Yankees fan I slept badly last night thinking that they would move Adams. But will sleep like a baby knowing it’s Kap. I knew there was no way it was gunna include Torres or Frazier. Sheffield or Adams were my worry. But Kap hurts to lose even being oft injured.
    But in all they traded away Rutherford, Kap, Fowler that I didn’t wanna c go. But, I’m not a prospect hugger as much as I’m a star prospect hugger. It drops there overall farm ranking. But, I’m ok with that as long as they develop and maintain Torres and Frazier and one of the top pitchers can get into the rotation and b good enough to take the ball every 5th day.
    Prospects miss more then they hit and I’ll take a proven MLB younger talent then 3 maybes anyway

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    • thegreatcerealfamine

      8 years ago

      Who cares about farm ranking when they were either blocked or 1 to 2 years away. Fellow Yankee fans it’s about winning. Like Dan Odowd said on MLB network only 10 percent of prospects traded since 1992 became All Stars.

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  119. InBillyWeDontTrust

    8 years ago

    Honestly beanie should’ve lost his job after the Donaldson trade and now this

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    • jdgoat

      8 years ago

      He just got a haul

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  120. frankiegxiii

    8 years ago

    Prospect overpays are so 2016

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    • HelloItsMe

      8 years ago

      Rick Hahn thinks otherwise.

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  121. KnicksFanCavsFan

    8 years ago

    Guys relax about these lists. They are good to use as a reference point. Remember that Gary Sanchez slipped off of just about every top 100 list and then was called up last year and crushed. Mateo is going to be a good player. Fowler and Kap were top 100 guys but you just have to wait and see how they bounce back next year.

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    • Yankeefanatic

      8 years ago

      This is a good trade for both teams. All prospects come with risks. But so does a single player. A’s fans. were saying the Yanks were trying to fleece the A’s but each year is different and each player is different. The A’s probably got better players who will be very good for a long time. I didn’t want the Yanks to trade Kap, he projects as a front line starter but instead Sheffield, who is projected as a number#2. I also like Mateo very much, and he has turned his minor league game around, plus he is blessed with speed. So if those two reach their potential, they will be solid to all star players, for many years. This is not a Yankee fleecing, although it make take a year or two for the A’s to begin to see just how these players are….Good Luck A’s Fans.

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  122. Yamsi12

    8 years ago

    Goodnight sweet prince.

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  123. echointhecaves

    8 years ago

    Oh wow, I think the A’s got ripped off by the Yankees. The Jorge Mateo and two injured prospects? The White Sox got more for Tommy Kahnle, and I thought the Yankees won that trade.

    This is highway robbery by the Yankees.

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  124. driftcat28 2

    8 years ago

    As great as it is to get Gray, I’m disappointed in losing Kap & Fowler. Kap especially! I think the A’s came out very, very well.

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  125. 22222pete

    8 years ago

    Given up 5.1 R/9 against teams that qualify currently for post season. 2.13 ERA against sub 500 teams.

    Hasnt pitched great out of Oakland this year with s 4.04 ERA.

    Yankees gave up a lot but except for Fowler there are no real certainties. Mateo looks to be breaking out and Kap is set back another 2 years with TJS

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    • ctguy

      8 years ago

      Well at least Gray can play this week, not so for Fowler or Kap. If they can make it back they both have alot of potential. Of course that is an “if”. Mateo is a speedster looking for a position. He was blocked as far as an infield position for the Yanks. They were trying him in the outfield but it didn’t look like he had much future in NY. I would think that he can find a spot in Oakland.

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    • chino31

      8 years ago

      Well, all Yanks need in the post season is 5 innings and the relievers come into play. I know Giradi’s managing style. One whiff of trouble, he will not hesitate to call the bullpen.

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  126. YankeeMan3099

    8 years ago

    I applaud both Brian Cashman and Billy Beane for not giving up on each other and working together like 2 professional adults that they are and getting this done, this is a great trade for both teams I want it to work out for both teams hopefully Oakland’s luck turns around and they can be competitive again. I loved those Yankee and A’s playoffs series they always gave us a run for our money, hopefully Billy Beane in the future will get his long awaited World Series championship he has been longing for.

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    • InBillyWeDontTrust

      8 years ago

      Your a good sport YankeeMan but cashman god the better of beane and the A’s look a lot worse after what the rangers got for 2 months of darvish

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      • YankeeMan3099

        8 years ago

        I don’t think it’s a bad deal for Oakland Kapreilian will make a full recovery and be back and could be better than before, Mateo I think will be a great player for Oakland he could always go play CF for them or play the infield he has versitatily as for Fowler who knows how we will recover. Listen I am sure if Billy had any doubt about the players who are injured he wouldn’t have made this trade he obviously felt comfortable, Billy isn’t a stupid guy he’s well respected fans of the A’s may not like this trade today but doesn’t mean they won’t like it in the future when all 3 guys are a big part of the A’s. Everyone always thinks Billy makes questionable moves and they always end up turning out good, look at the Donaldson trade yes it wasn’t his best trade but the prospect they got in that deal is now their top prospect. Like I said I hope this works out for both teams in the end it’s what you want to see.

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  127. bsteady7

    8 years ago

    Cashman won this trade.

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  128. del_got_it

    8 years ago

    As an A’s fan, I can only hope that Mateo (80 Grade Speed) can become the next Ricky Henderson haha.

    And also, Fowler and Kap can come back from injury to reach their full potentials.

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  129. joemoes

    8 years ago

    Yankees fan value their prospects to much. I can make a list Hughes, Kennedy, Jaglieo, mason Williams, banuelos, brackman, Joba, Austin Jackson , Jesus montero, Jr. Murphy , tabata, all failed except for Kennedya 3/4 starter who’s getting worse each year.

    I’m a Yankees fan and the only prospects I truly valued we’re tores and Adams

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    • rangers99

      8 years ago

      How about Cano? The Yankees developed him…

      Or Betances, Judge, Sanchez, Frazier and Montgomery?

      Gamel’s doing well in Seattle too….

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      • BronxBombers14

        8 years ago

        You forgot Gardner and Melky.

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    • thegreatcerealfamine

      8 years ago

      So if you’re a Yankee fan how about you get your facts straight. Stop posting from Red Sox nation!

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      • thump

        8 years ago

        TBH to when As fanswer said Yanks would HAVE to give up Torres or Frazier.. Pfft

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    • YankeeNinja

      8 years ago

      Methinks you left some pretty big names off that list…

      Derek Jeter
      Mariano Rivera
      Bernie Williams
      Jorge Posada
      Andy Pettitte
      Robinson Cano
      Brett Gardner
      Melky Cabrera
      Dellin Betances

      I could keep going. Yes, prospects don’t always make it, but that’s why they’re prospects.

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      • rangers99

        8 years ago

        I was trying to stay recent…I only mentioned Cano because he’s a HOF’er…

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  130. giantboy99

    8 years ago

    BYE BYE SOX

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  131. mack22 2

    8 years ago

    Yanks gave up a lot, still won’t get by Houston

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    • chino31

      8 years ago

      McCullers on DL. Houston , we have a problem.

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    • TraderRyan9

      8 years ago

      Gave up a lot? They gave up NOTHING

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  132. Bruin1012

    8 years ago

    Well that sucks was hoping the Yankees would not Gray as Red Sox fan hats off to Cashman looks like they are playing for keeps this season and want to win the division. The Red Sox made a nice pickup with Reed but just didn’t have the ammo to outbid the Yankees. Let’s see how this all plays out Red Sox should still be tough down the stretch and if Carson Smith comes back and pitches like he did before the injury with Kelly getting healthy the Red Sox will have a crazy good bullpen let’s see how the chips fall the Yankees did well in this trade but so did the A’s looks like a win-win for both teams.

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  133. TraderRyan9

    8 years ago

    The a’s got screwed. Young pitcher under control for the future and you didn’t get a top prospect???

    PATHETIC

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  134. Jacob Greenia

    8 years ago

    What exactly does a “well-below average delivery” look like? Is it based on the arm angle and action?

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    • ctguy

      8 years ago

      It looks like the TJ surgery he just had.

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  135. Philliesfan4life

    8 years ago

    Billy Beane was robbed blind in thsi trade, If Adams or Frazier was not in the discussion of the deal, he should of hung up the phone.

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  136. julyn82001

    8 years ago

    We’ll see how this trade pans out… A’s Sonny was injury in the past and so are two of the three prospects the A’s got in return… Who knows? It might work out in the end…

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  137. chound

    8 years ago

    It’s pretty much the bottom end of what every non-A’s fan thought a return for Gray should be… By no means am I saying that it’s bad but if it were my team and GM, I’d be disappointed.

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  138. InBillyWeDontTrust

    8 years ago

    It’s sad because the A’s could’ve hung on to him and there were so many other teams out there that were interested in him

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    • chino31

      8 years ago

      Beane took probably the best offer given to him. Why hold onto a pitcher and risk injury??

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      • saavedra

        8 years ago

        – To get a better deal in the offseason
        – Give him an extension
        – Use that pitcher
        – Get a better deal on the deadline of 2018.

        Just a few reasons on the top of my head.

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        • Cam

          8 years ago

          – Sonny Gray was shopped in the offseason past, and he wasn’t moved – who’s to say the offers will get any better? He’ll also have less control.
          – They can offer him an extension, sure, but there’s no guarantee he’ll bypass Free Agency and stay. For all we know, he may have already turned down extension offers. Oakland isn’t exactly a place most people are falling over themselves to sign with
          – The innings they’ll be getting from him in the near future don’t really mean much to them, just presenting further risk of injury (for a guy with a history of injuries and inconsistent performance)
          – Sure, and why would the next deadline look any better? It was a sellers market this year – pitching was at a premium – why would they get more in return next year for a guy with a full years less control?

          Just a few counter points off the top of my head.

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  139. max l

    8 years ago

    I can’t believe Beane settled for a pitcher with Tommy John surgery, and an OF who played a half inning of major league baseball and suffered a devastating knee injury. Did Beane have a brain cramp and forget Gray was controlled through 2019!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

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    • Chris

      8 years ago

      Kaprielian has top of the rotation potential if he can get healthy I think he’ll make you happy in a year or two

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    • chound

      8 years ago

      “I can’t believe Beane settled for…” Anything else you said after “for” has zero meaning b/c you don’t seem to understand that Beane always settles.

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  140. saavedra

    8 years ago

    Pre trade

    Yankee fans: Our prospects are way too valuable, maybe giving a couple of lower level guys and Mateo would be fair for Sonny Gray.
    A’s fans: Sonny is way too solid, he is worth at least Torres or Frazier plus more.

    Pos trade

    yankee fans: Those prospects weren’t that good at all and were all blocked, great deal.
    A’s fans: Sonny Gray isn’t even that good.

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  141. dark vengeance

    8 years ago

    Stupid trade for the A’s. Fowlers injury is one of the worst to come back from that you can get on your legs. He will definitely lose a step from it. Wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up running in circles in the outfield because of it. Much harder to come back from than TJ is. I wish him luck.
    Kap will be back next season and be a TOR starter by 2019. Matteo will be an American League Billy Hamilton. The big problem is Fowler.

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    • Dynasty

      8 years ago

      Kap will not throw a pitch in 2018. His ETA is 2019.

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  142. ffjsisk

    8 years ago

    I’m really curious what the other offers were, particularly the Braves.

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  143. chino31

    8 years ago

    Doesn’t Fowler continue to accrue Mlb service while on the DL? Either Beane thinks he can come back or he is an idiot if Fowler takes longer to recover.

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    • MB923

      8 years ago

      That would only be if he is on the A’s 40 man i believe

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  144. AngelFan69

    8 years ago

    I’m disappointed on Billy … he got sandbagged .. big time … the Yankees got the best of him with this lopsided trade … The Angels could have offered a better package…

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  145. AngelFan69

    8 years ago

    I agree with Life412….

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  146. sellers6

    8 years ago

    What a horrible deal for the Athletics

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  147. PeterDipersio

    8 years ago

    This is a great trade for the Yanks! Unfortunately I am a Red Sox fan and I think this trade may have just pushed the Yanks ahead! Although in 2004 the Yanks were the better team on paper and lost the ALCS to the Sox in 7!

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  148. thebare

    8 years ago

    How can Cashman demand Cubs number one and the Indians number one but don’t give the A’s a 1/2/3 noooo but a 478 stupid Beane crooked Cashman I would never deal with Cashman then he set up those traded come back watch Andrew Miller goes back also.( this finger for Cashman )

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