The Braves added a new arm to their late-inning relief mix in advance of tomorrow’s trade deadline, announcing the acquisition of right-hander Chris Martin from the Rangers on Tuesday evening. Atlanta will send left-hander Kolby Allard to Texas in return. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic first reported the trade shortly before the teams announced the swap (Twitter link).
Martin, 33, bounced around the league as a minor league journeyman for much of the decade before reinventing himself in a stint with Japan’s Nippon Ham Fighters. The towering, 6’8″ righty emerged as one of the best relievers in Japan and parlayed that success into an affordable two-year pact with the Rangers prior to the 2018 season.
After a so-so first season in Arlington, Martin has turned in a very strong 3.08 ERA with an eye-popping 43-to-4 K/BB ratio in 38 innings of work. That fourth walk issued by Martin came in his most recent appearance — his most recent one had come nearly three months prior.
While Martin will only finish the season with two-plus year of MLB service time, he’s nevertheless a pure rental for Atlanta. The two-year, $4MM contract Martin signed upon returning to MLB stipulated that he can become a free agent at the end of the deal, so the Braves are only acquiring him for the current stretch run (barring some type of extension).
Martin will join, if not anchor a late-inning mix that currently looks nothing like the Atlanta front office expected heading into the season. Luke Jackson has emerged as the club’s primary closer, while former starter Sean Newcomb has become one of manager Brian Snitker’s more reliable setup men. Atlanta already added Anthony Swarzak in a minor trade that has paid big dividends earlier this season, and Josh Tomlin is still on board as a long reliever after only joining the organization late in Spring Training.
Dealing Allard will no doubt come as a shock to many Braves fans as the southpaw was Atlanta’s first-round pick (14th overall) back in 2015 and has ranked among baseball’s top 100 prospects in three different offseasons. Allard had back surgery in 2015 but has been relatively healthy since that time. However, his prospect star has dimmed in recent years.
Scouting reports have long touted Allard’s fastball control, which allows a fastball with rather pedestrian velocity to play up a bit. But he’s regarded more as a potential back-of-the-rotation starter at this point than the midrotation arm Atlanta may have once hoped. Baseball America and Fangraphs both dropped Allard to 12th among Braves minor leaguers on their summer re-rankings of the club’s farm system. In 110 innings with Triple-A Gwinnett in 2019 — his second full season at that level — Allard has pitched to a 4.17 ERA with 8.0 K/9, 3.0 BB/9, 1.23 HR/9 and a 50 percent grounder rate.
It’s nevertheless a strong return for the Rangers to receive in exchange for two months of a rental reliever. The Texas farm system has been starved for upper-level pitching, and even if Allard indeed tops out as a fourth or fifth starter, that’s precisely the top of serviceable asset the Rangers haven’t been able to squeeze out of their own farm system in recent years. The lack of such assets is what prompted Texas to (unsuccessfully) attempt to patch together the back of its rotation with the combination of Shelby Miller, Drew Smyly and Edinson Volquez this winter. Allard will give the team a potential immediate rotation candidate in the event of a Mike Minor trade or another injury among current starters. He may only have been considered to be the Braves sixth- or seventh-best pitching prospect but will quickly become one of Texas’ top overall farmhands.
When will the Braves realize they’re the 2nd best team in the NL and make a move to possibly win a WS
Allard is a steep price to pay for a 33 year old reliever also
There’s about six pitching prospects in front of Allard and he look woefully overmatched last year. His stuff control isn’t good enough for his lack of velocity and overall stuff.
Regardless of how many pitching prospects they had in front of Allard, other teams have given way less for equivalent relievers.
Maybe they just don’t rate Allard as high as you do?
The guy pitched 8 big league innings last year. I don’t really care what he did in 8 innings as a 20 year old for one thing. I don’t understand why everyone has to get defensive here. Personally I don’t think Allard is anymore than a #4 starter. But It’s not what I think. Most guys who get paid to make these lists have Allard around the 12th best prospect on the Braves. That’s the best spect anyone has given up for a rental reliever this year. AA could’ve completely soured on Allard and thinks he’s nothing. That’s fine. The Rays did the same thing w Nick Solak a couple weeks ago.
These deals will get put under the microscope when they happen though. That’s the nature of it. It’s a great deal from Texas’ POV because they get a shot on a former top 100 prospect who is 21 years old in AAA. It’s a no loss scenario from their POV. We’ll see on the Braves part. Martin has no track record and a bit of a HR problem. They gave up ( what many believe is)a decent pitching prospect for him. It’ll get scrutinized. AA could be right here though.
This guy might help our bullpen a lot. His k/bb ratio is 11:1. He literally strikes out 11 guys for every walk he gives up. He averages 11 ks and 1 bb for every nine innings pitched. He has only walked 4 guys this whole season. 4!!! Before his last walk he went a span of 3 months without walking anyone. We need a guy like that. Bullpen walks are killing us and his strikeouts will help a lot too. To bad he is a rental though. I could see him taking over Luke Jackson’s spot as closer.
You think a lot of Allard – why? He looks overmatched every time taking a MLB mound and I’m stunned his AAA numbers are as good as they are. AA is a Coldplay fan, also.
Allard is a 21-year old that dominated in AA and AAA. Yeah, he stumbled majorly in the bigs, but to give up on him and trade him for a so-so 30-something journeyman reliever is a surprising move. Anybody else remember the Diamondbacks trading a poorly performing Max Scherzer to Detroit for Edwin Jackson?
I get the point but Allard’s stuff is nothing compared to max
Wasn’t that Dave Stewart though?
Actually the guys who have looked overmatched are Wilson and Wright.
Allard didn’t get many starts, and compared to Wright, was also called into action much younger.
Allard turning in to an ace or #2 was slim I admit, but I could have seen him being a steady #4, maybe #3 if it all clicked with time.
Horrible trade. Not cause Allard was untouchable or anything but because they let Texas bend them over and handed him to them for free
Whoever scouted Wright as a potential #1/#2 guy should be fired
No, that was like 5 years before Dave Stewart worked for ARI.
Saint Chris. Scherzer and Allard in the same conversation? That’s funny
Saint Chris. Scherzer and Allard in the same conversation? That’s funny
“Handed it to them”…? Do you wonder why that is? Do you think this FO missed on Allard – or they know something about him to let him go for a rental with some closing experience and upside? Personally, I don’t doubt there is some risk, but I think they see enough to let a 1st rd pick they were able to pick high because of pre-draft injury concerns.
You know who else didn’t have as good of stuff as Scherzer? Max Scherzer, when he was 21.
No he’s not
Chris Martin for a top 25 prospect, Atlanta and Texas are colluding here.
Fangraphs has him at 40+ FV. Not in the top 100.
You really need to learn what the word “colluding” means.
What the f are the Braves thinking? Allard could’ve brought back MUCH more than this mediocre reliever.
A rental as well…..Way too high a price to pay.
i mean, i agree with you but isnt that what they were doing when they signed keuchel? or did you already forget about that? if bumgarner and bauer dont get moved then you could make a strong case that the braves made the best sp upgrade midseason of any team in baseball
Gross. Would have at least thought they could pry away Minor with Allard being the headliner in a little package. Stop dealing with Texas ATL, they have your number. (One trade prospect down, be better.)
I feel like you overvalue Allard a bit too much. He’d never headline a deal for Minor or someone similar at this current rate.
allard reminds me a lot of ian clarkin…which isnt a good thing lol
Haha what? Allard doesn’t come close to headlining a Minor deal. The headliner will need to be a top 100 guy or a guy at least close to that. Texas has no reason to trade him for anything less.
Haha yes it does in terms of age/team control/status as top 15 1st round draft pick.. You guys got a nice lottery ticket for years and years to come.
That’s exactly who you headline someone like Mike minor for bud.
Except Allard isn’t panning out in a timely fashion, andcthe Braves only have 40 roster spots.
Better this then loosing him to Rule 5.
Let’s revisit this same exact thread within the next 7 years and we shall see..bookmark it. Chris Martin will be another Chris Reitsma at best but he’s a FA in a few months.
This is the kind of move after you make a move for a true ace like greinke or even mad bum to prove to your team and fanbase that youre going for it. Other that that, it’s a grasp at straw kinda move that says “we did something”.
He’s 21 in AAA and already made his MLB debut, black69. He’s ahead of schedule, so not sure what “timely fashion” is to you.
Allard doesn’t headline for a pitcher like Minor let’s get real. You Braves fans crack me up.
32 yo former 7th overall pick vs 21 yo 14th overall pick.
I don’t see any reason Allard can’t somewhat emulate Mike Minor’s numerous seasons of +4 Era over his career.
Hes got time and talent on his side and it took minor time to be relevant. Time will tell, but a another piece on each end should have been able to make a Minor/Martin trade combo happen.
No. He’s right. I am the biggest Braves fan on the planet (yes, ahead of you). Allard doesn’t headline for Minor at all. We just gave up two players both of which are better than Allard for Shane Greene. Minor would have been a bigger addition than Greene. You can’t pay that much attention to where guys are drafted. It is important, but that diminishes the longer they pitch at the professional level. Allard got an injury and lost a lot of velocity off of his fastball. Most people think that if he stays healthy and at his best, he might become a long term #4 starter. Why would any team trade a #1 starter with another year of control for that?
I would love to have Minor on the Braves. I don’t think it would have happened without our big 3. No way I am giving up Pache, Waters, or Anderson and Minor still has team control next year. Texas did much better than they thought they would and are probably thinking that their rebuild is ahead of schedule. My guess is they either expect Minor to be their ace or sign another starter next year that is better than him
Since he’s on the 40 man roster, he would have to clear waivers. Picking up a guy off waivers is much easier than waiting until the Rule 5. Taking him off of waivers you add him directly to the 40, and you still have two option years at your disposal prior to year end. Wait until Rule 5, and he has to stick in the Bigs or be offered back.
Allard would never have cleared waivers and been eligible for the Rule 5 draft. 20 GMs would be fired if that’s the case.
Over pay on a 33 year old reliever
Not an overpay. He has been very good for Texas and Allard has not been very good in his brief time with Atlanta and is viewed no more than a back end starter.
Baseball Prospectus had him #24 overall. That gets you WAY more than 33 year old journeyman.
Not anymore, the guy has no velo/stuff and wasn’t going to make the rotation. And w/o the velo/stuff he’ll never be a strong bullpen guy. Wish we could have packaged him for more but I’ll take it
When not this year he isn’t even in the top 101.
Seriously, when was that last published?
As much as I love to hype up some Braves specs, the shine was wearing off fast on Allard. He’s got a fastball that sits 89-90 and not very appealing stuff.
As he’s the most expendable arm in a pretty stacked AAA grouping (Folty, Wright, Wilson, Touki, and Allard) I bet he was offered for other relievers and this was the best one they could get.
The market tends to tell you value pretty well
No one who receives a salary to evaluate prospects has Kolby Allard within shouting distance of a top 100 prospect list. But that’s really not the point. This was the best prospect given up for a reliever at the deadline so far. And it was given up for Chris Martin. Have to believe they could’ve done a bit better.
Saint Chris. Scherzer and Allard in the same conversation? That’s funny
Sf, that was about 2 years ago
Why do you have believe that? You’re comparing a deal that was done for proverbial trade candidates for deals that have not been completed. Is that fair?
The idea that Allard could have fetched a cheap, controllable RP with closing experience in this market within the next 12 hours is giving Allard more credit than even his mother would give him. Seriously, look at his peripherals. Kid is the PTBNL and the last paragraph in a Vazquez deal.
But just look at the years of control/age/future position potential factors.. Reeks of desperation to make a move for sake of making a move imo.
Allard does NOT project as even a capable middle reliever at this point. He has subpar stuff and must rely on pinpoint control. He had no future in Atlanta. I wish Allard well, but unless he magically picks up more zip and movement on his pitches it doesn’t bode well for him.
Great move by Atlanta.
@chippahawk I will say this….Seriously nothing the last fives years + the Braves have done has reeked desperation and I’m a front office hater…they truly have a plethora of pitchers they can’t develop anyways!?…so what’s the harm in any deal made with pitchers?
This wasn’t a great move. Someone would’ve given a better reliever for Allard. You got a middle reliever rental.
Martin does have significant home road splits in a relatively small sample so perhaps there is more there. still a steep price to pay. I don’t like Allard much as a prospect either but the point remains.
The only teller will be time on this one just like the the texiera trade in 08. I hated the overpay at that time and i am not a fan of this trade either.
Duvall is making me proud on the other hand. Fought tooth and nail for this kid on these boards since the end of last season. He’s a starter that’s going to give you 260-270 with 30+ bombs and give u great defense.
Kakes has what it takes to be a 4th OF from this time on out with his defense and tough at bats with little power. Hopefully he realizes that and is in that role to mentor this young team again next season.
Our current closer is Luke Jackson, folks. Our projected closer entering the season is struggling to stay on the roster (Minter) and the other is done for the season and off the roster (Vizcaino). The other guy many thought would be the closer of the future (Sabotka) has been awful. Obviously it’s nice Martin has some closing experience and has been good this year. He can fit right in in a setup role or possibly grab the ball in the 9th and not crap his pants. They’re trying to build a pen and it’s about the sum of the parts.
They could have done better with Allard as a package trade chip for a better blue chip is all I’m saying.
One only has to look at the swarzak trade to prove that.
Like I said and will always say, let time be the teller of this one because I won’t forget it and will gladly eat crow if I have to. Just simply not a fan of it, but hope it works out.
Best of luck to you Allard.
It’s absolutely an overpay. He’ll pitch maybe 20 innings the rest of the way and he’s a FA at the end of the season. Unless he is dominant in the postseason and helps them win a WS, it’s an overpay.
I’m telling you
…Braves pitching prospects are always waaaaay over regarded every single year!
Again, overvaluing Allard. If Martin contributes AT ALL to bringing that bullpen ERA down lower than WSH/PHI, it’ll be a solid move. IF he gets 1 save all year – it’s a win already. Allard wouldn’t have done that for ATL. He was nothing more than a third piece in a deal and provided some depth at AAA.
Wow, that’s a tough trade. The rangers make out big on this one….
*desperate not tough
Same with Andrus,Mark. T and so on to Rangers but Braves have Freeman at 1B and Swanson at SS.
A decade later
Took a decade to get Swanson who Braves fans can only hope will have as good a career as Andrus has.
Eh, Allard was never going to be a starter for the Braves. No velo but has upside. I don’t hate it as a Braves fan
But shoulda got more for him than that
I agree, I would have liked to get someone with a little control but the 4 walks on the year is what I’m liking about Martin. It fills a huge need even if the price seems higher than most would expect
You can reply to everyone about no velo, that doesn’t change that he is young and can learn off speed pitches and other techniques that could make him a great relief pitcher down the road.
You can say you’d like to get more, but why not say why didn’t ATL offer up a prospect with less upside for what they got in return?
I seem to remember a former Brave who didn’t really throw gas, but had to rely on pinpoint control and off speed stuff. I think his name was something like Maddux?
Maddux was also brought in as a FA after a Cy Young season. Nice try though but that IS not Allard.
Your memory is shaky. When Maddux first came up with the Cubs he was throwing in the mid 90s, and not the mid to upper 80s like Allard is now. Even when Maddux left Atlanta his average fastball was quicker than the average fastball Allard currently throws (if I recall correctly). Allard will NEVER be Maddux, or Glavine.
Braves made out big on a very good reliever trading away a back end starter type who has fallen out of grace in ATL.
What an outrageously awful deal…. embarrassing!
I hope to god they prove me wrong
Soo, the Braves get rid of a guy they’re never going to promote, not for the stretch run, and not next year either.. Plus, the Braves strengthen and lengthen their bullpen, with an intriguing pitcher. Not to mention, the Braves also feel like they can get even more out of Martin, and there’s still the possibility they re-sign him if Martin does continue to improve.
…How exactly is that a loss for the Braves?? Facts are Allard lost the Braves’ scouts and AA’s interest awhile back. They were trying to rebuild his all-time low stock at AAA, but it just didn’t work out. However, they were still able to get something extremely useful for him, and a piece that’s going to help them make the playoff push…
Those who think this is a bad trade for the Braves, you obviously don’t keep up with the Braves current news and reports…
For those Braves’ fans that need to catch up, I highly recommend reading talking chop on a daily basis, especially their MiL write-ups, daily box scores, prospect scouting reports, etc..
Educate yourselves, and stop making Braves’ fans look ignorant!!
you coulda gotten soooooo much more for him though. it’s a bad trade, no matter how you justify it
No amount of justification will make this trade make sense. All of you all are like, “He’s horrible.” Dude is 21. 21. I repeat. 21. May I remind everyone that Max Scherzer and Mike Trout looked overmatched in their first look as well. It’s no wonder we live in the world we live in today…
How do you know that? You really thing AA didn’t try to get more for him?
@reno24 Since you’re so certain Allard would’ve got more do you care to name those players?
You and others are stuck on the fact Allard was once a highly regarded prospect, and incorrectly assume the Braves could have gotten “more” for him.
Allard was doing the Braves NO GOOD wasting away at AAA, and his stock/value was at nothing more than a future #5/LR, with the potential to be a serviceable #4.
Yes he is still young, but what troubles AA, scouts, and other team’s scouts on Allard is how he has digressed. He’s actually lost FB velocity, he’s lost the spin on his FB, he hasn’t been able to further develop any of his secondary offerings, and even worse is the fact his other pitches have taken steps back as well. His command comes and goes, seemingly with no rhyme or reason, and despite trying to male and counter with multiple adjustments, there’s been nothing to show any progress from Allard.
What you fail to realize is, the Braves and their scouts actually see Martin as having a better chance to take his game to the next level, rather than the 21 year old Allard.
And when that’s the case, you should strongly rethink your stance…Instead of just being like oh man, AA is such an idiot for getting rid of this talented 21 year old SP. You should seriously ask yourself, AA clearly knows more about baseball than I do, what am I missing here..!?!
At the surface it seems like quite an overpay, but once you look into Allard’s lack of progress, his severe digression in his stuff and command, and the fact he’s been passed up in favor for literally any and every other SP prosoect or SP period. You’ll quickly realize the Braves feel as if he’s damaged goods..
They’re ECSTATIC at the fact they were able to get such a quality bullpen piece for Allard..
Maybe Allard can find some new throwing program in Texas, regain his FB velocity and spin rate, develop his secondary offerings to even average once again, and rediscover some form of consistent control…But even so, you’re asking for basically a miracle..
Unless Allard has been hurt, and whatever is wrong doesn’t show up on tests, aside from that, he’s simply just a bust.
Wish him well in Texas, but he’s got a looong way to go, and that’s just to even get back to where he was before his development all of a sudden came to a standstill..Then, from there, it was just one red flag after another..Again, the writing was on the wall for Allard
Relievers like Martin w really no track record and a decent current season success don’t typically go for much more than lotto ticket types. Kolby allard is a strong return for that. Somebody needs to put him on a diet and exercise plan to put on weight. Does that frame look maxed out to you? The kid isn’t even 22 years old. He’s essentially a college Junior’s age right now. That alone could give you an uptick in FB velo. If he got an uptick in velo you’d really have something because he has pretty decent pitchability.
Great return for Texas for sure. He’s not some kind of sure thing though. If he doesn’t gain velocity his ceiling is that of a #4/5 pitcher. Working w a new coaching staff might do him wonders as well.
This deal isn’t the hosing of a lifetime by any means. If people think that’s the case; it really isn’t. Allard isnt even close to a cant miss prospect anymore. I believed he’d pull in a guy like Colome. But truthfully the Braves FO May have chose to go after Martin because he’s cheaper (probably the #1 reason) and the underlying metrics have them in the same ballpark in terms of value. The Braves really need another back end arm though. I would hope this isn’t it. Martin is an underwhelming add if that’s all you’re getting.
Thank you, gotta keep up guys. This NOT a monumental loss, it clears a spot for Anderson, Mueller or Wentz to come up and get a taste of better competition. The young guys were(are) blocked by all the guys in AAA who are NOT apart of the next generation.
Jhawk, you’re missing the point. You can trade allard for more. Your reasoning aren’t an excuse for making a bad trade lol
Not even close for more, he was not thought of highly at all
Stop. Just stop. What an stupid comment. Hey, allard is the first higher end prospect I’m ok with trading… but I’m sorry, the return here is a career awful pitcher, who just so happens to be having a decent year, is currently “hurt”, and IS A RENTAL! He’s not an improvement for a god awful bullpen. Allard is worth way more than this guy. I get he’s not worth no kimbrel, but heck a package deal or something way better than a rental for a bad bullpen pitcher who is magically having his first ever decent year. Common sense bro
I’ll say Brave fans thought giving up Andrus was not that big a deal for the Mark T. Rental. Because you were in WS race. But after said in done no one can tell me they would t have wanted to see Elvis teaming with Freeman.
You’re giving up 6 or so years of control on Allard for maybe 20 innings down the stretch from a journeyman reliever who only has about 40 innings of major league success. That says overpay to me.
Exactly! Absolute flyer trade on the Braves behalf w/ 2 months aquired control vs 6-7 years and I.e giving up a good trade chip..
He’s the kind of guy you cross your fingers and pick up like they did with Swarzak but not like this.
Big-time common sense lacking trade and I hope Allard turns into a Corbin.
All Allard has done is disappoint and get shelled. He’s a soft toss specialist without much secondary ammo. He never had a chance to play in ATL again.
Wow! I know I’m repeating the sentiment but Allard seems like a really steep price for Martin. The Rangers probaby couldn’t say yes quick enough!
Not really. I don’t think Allard has a future in Atlanta. And the 40 man roster spot would be needed for future moves.
Plenty of options left for Atlanta.
Yeah I believe this year he would be subjected to the rule 5 draft, and I’m not sure he was going to be on the 40 when it came time.
The rule 5 IS guys OFF of the 40, not those on it.
Try reading again, this time slowly
Allard’s already on it. He would’ve been exposed to waivers before being eligible for a rule 5 again so that was all in all a stupid comment. Not sure what needs to be read slow
To me, Allard is Sean Gilmartin. A former 1st rd pick with good-not great-stuff that could have a few years as a setup man/long RP being exposed to Rule 5 Draft multiple times, much like Gilmartin who found some success as a Met/Twin.
I don’t think Allard is a gigantic loss. That’s not the argument. I think he could’ve provided you with a better reliever. That’s my take on the situation.
Who are these better relievers?
I’m willing to bet yesterday you did not know Chris Martin was a major league reliever. Kolby Allard has backend starter upside, is only 21 and is pitching decently in AAA. That’s a steep price for Chris Martin. Not going to hurt the Braves because Allard wasn’t going to help the Braves but that doesn’t mean they couldn’t have dealt him for a bit more.
I’m going to say they probably could’ve done a little better here.
No I didn’t, because I don’t watch nor care about the Rangers. It looks like his numbers are pretty solid coming back from Japan, however. The fact you didn’t name anyone and keep saying they could’ve gotten someone better tells me that they really couldn’t have.
Lol, alright buddy. If I start listing off a name of potentially available relievers is that going to make you happy? How about Alex Colome? I really think you just want to be right here. No other team has given up a prospect in their top 15 for a reliever thus far. I think Sergio Romo is a better reliever than Martin, personally. I’ve already said it’s not a huge loss because he was buried. Martin is cheap so that probably was also a very appealing part to Atlanta.
Nobody is going to complain about giving up a little too much for their rental reliever if he helps you win in October but at this point it’s the heaviest give for a rental reliever. It could still work out for them. I never said it couldn’t.
Bud, Chris Martin, if healthy, would be ahead of Leclerc for saves had they not traded him away. Leclerc just blew another save the other day and still is vulnerable – though I’m sure they’ll continue giving him the ball in a lost season, until he regains himself.
If Martin continues converting saves, he’ll be a huge get for the depth alone. I wouldn’t think this is the only move ATL makes for the pen.
…as Luke Jackson is currently doing his best losing a 6-run lead in WSH.
Pal, Friend, Guy:
I never said this deal couldn’t be a win for Atlanta. I just commented on it being the heaviest give for a reliever thus far. That was my stance. It could work out wonderfully. I’m not calling AA an idiot for it. It’s a great deal from Texas’ perspective because he was a FA in 3 months and they’re going nowhere. They’ve now gotten the best rental reliever return. Good job, Texas. Possibly good job, Atlanta. We’ll see if he has HR issues down there.
So apparently Kolby Allard straight up would’ve gotten Alex Colome? Got it. In that case they should’ve just offered Allard and another piece for Kirby Yates or Will Smith since that would’ve gotten the deal done?
Allard isn’t very good from I’ve seen over the last 2-3 years, but if turns out to be a solid #5 than good for Texas. But that’s probably all he’ll be. I’ll gladly eat crow if he turns into Justin Verlander.
Colome’s 3.95/4.65 FIP/xFIP. We’ll see what he get dealt for but I doubt it’s much more than this. Probably another small prospect attached for Colome. Why are you getting so defensive is my question? I’ll be the first one to tell you I don’t think Kolby Allard is going to be a stud. I do not think that for a half second. That’s not my opinion at all. It was the heaviest give; no one will care if Martin is great. Being a heavy give at the time of the deal means nothing to how the deal shakes out.
I think we’re making a lot out of nothing here. Ill ignore that Will Smith/Yates garbage. Not at all what I said or the point I was making.
You’re dead on. The rule 5 has got a lot to do with it. The Braves are facing a dilemma. of too many prospects to protect and not enough roster space. This was (or might still be) the year they end up losing guys. Moving just Allard probably isn’t enough., I’m sure there will be another trade coming before 4pm tomorrow and look for guys currently on the 40 man or rule 5 eligible to be on the move.
Don’t forget we have a lot of guys coming off the 40 man at the end of the year. Guys like Keuchel,Donaldson, Blevins, Swarzak and now Martin, there will be a lot of room to protect the 5 yr minor league FA’s we want to protect.
What??? That seems like a massive overpay for a guy I haven’t even heard of. And I keep up with most teams at least a little and especially this time of year
Listen to more Coldplay. Kidding, nobody should actually listen to Coldplay.
Actually I love Coldplay. Just prefer to listen to it in the fall/winter. It’s definitely seasonal to me
Horrible horrible band
Listen to Deftones, never Coldplay.
Absolutely. This was like the first summer in 4 years I didn’t get to see the Deftones live.
Absolutely. This was like the first summer in 4 years I didn’t get to see Deftones live.
Okay this is worse than I thought. He’s a rental… wth AA
If you haven’t heard of Martin then you clearly don’t follow teams as much as you think you do. He’s been very good for Texas this year
I’m a Braves fan and I can’t help but think it’s funny that a guy who was previously untouchable, was just traded for a journeyman reliever. Exactly why you don’t hold your prospects too long.
when was Allard untouchable? lol…
Last year before his call up…
when his wife is around
5) Kolby Allard, LHP, Grade B+: Age 20, first round pick in 2015; posted 3.18 ERA with 129/45 K/BB in 150 innings in Double-A; like Soroka Allard was pushed to Double-A rapidly and handled it well thanks to superior command and composure; interestingly enough scouting reports indicate a slight velocity decline compared to 2016 but command of curveball and change-up made the difference; still seems like an elite prospect. ETA late 2018.
What year is it now? Oh yeah 2019 and he’s behind guys like Folty, Wright, Wilson, Touki and blocking guys like Anderson, Wentz, and Mueller. He was exactly the kind of guy to be moved because he no place moving forward. Control be damned, the guy wasn’t going to move the needle with all the guys ahead of him.
He has better numbers at AAA and is younger than Folty, Wright, and Touki. I’m not saying they should’ve kept him. On the contrary, they should’ve traded him before his value plummeted. Just like Gohara. Or held on to him and hoped he got better. Selling low is counterintuitive to stockpiling assets and maximizing value.
That’s why they said he was >>>previously<<< untouchable.
wtf…. Isn’t Allard one of their top 10 prospects? And they are gonna trade him for a 33 year old good not great reliever. Good grief…
Not any more top 30 though but still shoulda got better than Martin
At least he throws strikes
Def a sellers market out here
According to MLB Pipeline, he’s their 10th best prospect and their 12th according to BA.
Thank you, gotta keep up guys. This NOT a monumental loss, it clears a spot for Anderson, Mueller or Wentz to come up and get a taste of better competition. The young guys were(are) blocked by all the guys in AAA who are NOT apart of the next generation.
Good for the Rangers. Hopefully he can help the Rangers and pitch well for them.
This is either a major overpay or Braves pitching prospects were way overhyped
I think they could have had Kela and Dickerson both for Allard.
No chance. Allard is a declining prospect.
Sheesh, Pirates should’ve given them Kela if they were this eager to deal Allard
The Rangers fleece the Braves yet again.
Yes but maybe theirs more in Deal that hasen’t been report yet like maybe Pence or SP from Rangers,
Unfortunately, it doesn’t look like other players are involved. Martin for Allard straight up…time will tell if this was a good trade, but my gut reaction is that it isn’t.
Get real. Allard is a bust. Tops out at 89-90 and got hammered in his small sample size in MLB. Even in AAA he wasn’t consistent. Let’s revisit this trade in a year or two so I can laugh at all of you.
He’s 21. I repeat. 21. You’re really just going to give up on 21 year old with an incredible prospect pedigree. Y’all are unreal.
Atlanta loves giving the rangers gifts.
Thats AA for you. Heelllpppp!
This is a terrible trade for the braves. You don’t give up a 25u prospect for a 33yo rental. Very dumb.
AA needs to figure it out real quick k. Could have went and traded for David Phelps and gave up a low A catcher
Martin is under contract next year too, for $2m. Not a strict rental.
Nope, I’m wrong. It does look pretty bad.
wow, contending or not, that’s a move you have to make if you are TEX. Braves just flexing their organisational depth. good to see they are at least willing to cash some chips as a braves fan. no space for all of those guys on the roster going forward.
Damn what woulda LeClerc cost ???
Yea, Braves flexing their non-existent common sense on the trade market..
that can’t be the whole trade right? obviously it makes zero sense to give up one of your best prospects for a journeyman middle reliever
I second that. More Details might come out,
Not one of the best prospects at all. Plus, he’s probably somewhere around the 13-15th best pitcher in the organization. He never had a chance to be anything but a AAA lifer.
This is a perfect example of what the Braves do every trade deadline. Can’t wait for them to miss the playoffs!
As somebody who couldn’t careless about prospects (until proven), this is a dumb move when Allard could be used as an extra piece to get a better, more impact option.
This team is pathetic!
Your idiotic gimmick is so stale. Go get a life.
I’m absolutely amazed you ended up being the best swimmer! Damn talk about a low bar!
Wow, as a Rangers fan I’m absolutely elated about this. What a return.
I genuinely hope Martin pitches lights out for Atlanta. He was great for us here and I’m enjoying the Braves resurgence.
You haven’t seen Allard pitch have you?
You know Martins a Rental 7th/8th inning relief pitcher?
Sure Allard isn’t the elite prospect he once was, but even if he gets around to being a 4/5 SP he’s worth way more than a rental RP.
And you haven’t seen Martin pitch have you? Stop being such a homer, man, it’s getting annoying.
Allard isn’t that good. The dude in the upper minors can’t miss bats. Braves didn’t give up a lot. S T O P crying
Congrats on the minor league journeyman
Someone gets it lol
I hope allard does well. This is a semi fair trade. Allards first round shine is wearing off though. He has a nice hook on the right night but his FB has taken a step back.
This team has to take risks to catch LA. Deal some more of them!!!
I think I’m the only one that likes this more for the Braves. Martin has been terrific this year and has more club control (yes, he’s 33, but that’s not a death sentence for a bullpen guy). The fact that a lot of people haven’t heard of him is more indicative of who they are as fans than who he is as a player.
Allard is a bigger name than he is a prospect. I think a lot of people still think he’s a future ace in the making like when he was drafted, but he’s probably a back-end starter if things click for him. I think that’s a fair price to pay.
He’s 21 in AAA and left handed. He’s a safe bet to be a mid rotation starter in a year or 2.
He’s not done well in upper levels. Gotta spend the wealth to get better. Addresses the needs for Atlanta.
2.72 ERA last year in AAA. And again, he’s only 21.
Well that seals it then he’s the next koufax……..
You’re right. Nobody’s ever not dominated the minors at 21 and been successful in MLB. Cliff Lee had a 5.24 ERA in A ball at 21. That guy sucked.
Except that Lee had much better velocity!
“In 2014 Lee used a two seam fastball with average velocity of 91mph” – Brooks Baseball. This year per Tomahawk Takes scouting report, Allard has been throwing a low 90’s fastball. He got blasted last year because his fastball was consistently mid 80’s. His velocity was fine. He’s just young. Again, I don’t care that they traded him it’s just that they sold very low. Should’ve done it 2 years ago.
I forgot that he’s actually a free agent, so that’s not in his favor anymore. But Allard is still expendable.
Finally a voice of reason. Allard isn’t that good, doesn’t miss enough bats to be a TOR arm and his fastball has regressed
All that to get swept by LA ?
Possible and watch dodgers choke again
Dodgers would lose to the Nats before the Braves. They own Atlanta.
Based on what? 2 NLDS series wins in the last 6 years? Wow! Pure ownage!
and every year when they come to LA and forget how to play ball.
Braves are good, but they need left handed pitching and starters. I don’t think the Dodgers fear any of their starters. Even Keuchel is someone they’ve handled in the past.
Wow, JD did great on this one. Love this move for Texas.
BOOM. You got robbed.
I don’t understand…maybe I’m just not smart enough. All hail Anthropolus…the all knowing all understanding
The Rangers got a better deal for Martin than Toronto got for Stroman, well close anyway.
They got a better deal by getting a worse prospect than either of the ones the Jays got? Most Braves fans being apathetic about losing Allard for a rental reliever should tell you something.
What just happened?
You guys need to relax. I saw Allard pitch last year. He’s nothing special. Actually happy to get rid of him for any bullpen help. Martin has closed some games this year. I’m sure we’ll also get another bullpen arm.
He’s picked up 3-4 mph on his fastball since last year and is consistently in the low 90’s. He’s also 21 and still hasn’t grown into his frame. He could still turn into a good starter.
Allard is overrated, but he is an overpay for an average middle reliever.
Allard isn’t a top 100 prospect, and barely a top 20 in his own organization. Once believed to be a top guy, the shine has worn off. Martin isn’t a sexy pick up. But a solid bullpen guy with great k to walk ratio.
Baseball Prospectus had him #24 overall, and all publications had him top 50. This is classic homerism on prospects. Why lie when we can look it up? Its on his baseball-reference page for crying out loud.
AA is terrible at his job and always has been.
When in 2018 because BP doesn’t even have in the top 101 this year.
Question is, Who loses their job? Seems like Walker is the obvious choice, but I’d love to see Minter gone. Hopefully, he’s on the bubble…
This is such a bad move….
Gotta have more in the works
As a Braves fan, I love this trade. The Braves have long had a desperate need for a reliever who can throw strikes. Martin has a 6 to 1 K to BB ratio in the majors and 9.5 to 1 this year.
Allard will probably become a major league pitcher, but he is far down the list of Braves pitching prospects. This is a good trade for both teams.
Exactly this. Martin poses far more as an asset to Atlanta in their current state than Allard does. You guys can afford to flex a bit when it comes to your farm arms. Texas definitely didn’t do poorly in this trade but I think Atlanta could have done a lot worse. Only Allard’s growth can say for sure how lopsided this deal was and if Martin helps you guys make a strong playoff push, whose to say how fairly it could be judged given your other arms? I think everyone needs to relax a bit.
I guess AA isn’t yellow for making a trade like this but his deadline deals make me shiver. Hopefully the result will put me in my place. I’m no scientist but I get a rush of blood to the head with deals like this.
Seriously, AA traded Syndergaard for Dickey, so trading Allard is totally in his wheelhouse.
Sorry for the lack of Coldplay puns in that second paragraph.
Pretty fair trade. Slight edge o Texas, IMO.
Those freaking out about Allard: he’s lost some luster. He’s a swing man, 5th starter type. This isn’t a bad deal. It’s just a deal.
Great getting a guy who fooled hitters in Japan. Guess we knew AA would be on a leash.
pretty pricey, but with that being said Allard hasn’t really impressed me at all.
I’ve seen Martin pitch with the Rangers. He’s ok but not worth a top prospect.
Then it’s a good thing the Braves didn’t trade a top prospect to get him.
You are wrong
The Rangers didn’t get a top prospect out of the deal. They got a falling prospect who projects as an Up/Down starter on a championship contending club, or a guy who might be able to eat up some innings for a rebuilding club that they themselves can hopefully flip someday.
is Mike Minor included?!?!?!…seriously seems quite steep for a rental! But let us all be honest….we have a log-jam of high-end pitching prospects and need to deal from that. Also, guess what’s the one position we can’t seem to develop beyond AAA the last 2 decades?..those high- end pitchers! I’m ok with dealing from that
Look at it this way. The Braves now have a pitcher who has walked little to none this year and can bring into the game late and rely on him to NOT walk Eaton to load the bases in front of Rendon who promptly hits a grand slam to untie the game late
^^^ this guy gets it
Show me one stat that has killed the Braves more this year than walks in key situations… I’ll wait.
People put a lot of faith in the first round pick nonsense. Allard was not very good and doesn’t seem to be be improving.
Show Me Your Tatis
If he pitches well, this could be paradise for the Braves…
Needs to limit the homeruns a bit more
Perfect example of how fans overate prospects. He was just traded for a 33 year old reliever.
Why just this morning Braves fan were mentioning him as a key piece for Noah Syndergaard.
And now they’re saying he’s awful and over-rated.
Yeah it’s pretty dumb
I hope Martin is a piece that was requested by another squad to fulfill a much Bigger trade within the next hour. Allard is not a Huge prospect for the Braves, but I would have much rather used Allard in combination with another player for a shot a Leclerec vs Martin. As Trump quite often says…”Let’s see how it goes”
I don’t think this is key to what Braves needed to go over the top. Hopefully there is more coming.
Granted he doesn’t walk many and has had to pitch in Texas but regardless of whether the swap was even it doesn’t address big needs…and yes, it helps with some depth BUT…
Need a CLOSER….Need a TOR STARTER….need a LEFTY…….he is none of those…
Hope more than that is Coming
I will add … Martin is a good add to the Bullpen…no doubt! But he just shouldn’t be the final piece…one more reliever and one TOR starter please ..
I do like the k/bb ratio..really need that!!
Allard hopefully has a future in the bigs but he was passes a few times over by other prospects and young starters in the bigs right now. Getting a good reliever right now for him is a good deal for the Braves. Not a home run but fair.
Way to go Braves!!! That’s exactly what we needed to do!!! Overpay for a RP who is okay at best not to mention has had back issues lately. I spent 14 years watching ATL win the division over and over. 5 pennants and a 1-4 record in the WS. We supposedly have great prospects and we need to trade them for someone who actually might help me see another WS win. No one should be untouchable outside our core MLB talent.
AAA championship > #1 in MLB pipeline > MLB WS championships is written on the walls of the braves clubhouse.
I watched Tyler Glasnow be utterly terrible for years. Could barely hit the batter’s box let alone the plate some nights. And he was like 24 or so, not 21.
If they have any other pedigreed pitchers they want to give up on, I hope they call on some of the Pirates rentals.
Glasnow throws upper 90s, with big stuff, Allard barely sits in the 90s.
When Glasnow first came up, he was sitting around 92 mph because it was the only way he could hope to hit the plate. At 21, a player likely hasn’t even really built his muscle yet. Too early to give up.
And my point isn’t specific to Allard. A 21 year old that that many scouts liked? Too early to give up.
Allard’s stock has dropped dramatically in the last year. Ranked in the top 100 the last three years but has fallen out and is having an average year at triple a. Not a big loss.
I know Allard’s stock has fallen and it was never that high to start. But I still think it’s an overpay for a rental bullpen pitcher.
If this is an indication of the market, I hope the Braves don’t do any more trading until the off season.
Yeah, this and the Stroman trade are definitely sending very mixed messages on deadline prices.
The Braves have too many high level pitching prospects and Allard was not making progress and probably wouldn’t make their staff so the traded him for a 33 year old having a good year. Expensive, but only if prospect lists are your value gods, but it fills a need for the Braves.
You can’t teach velo but you sure as hell can teach pitching. Prove em wrong Ally! Good luck from Braves country man..
Chris Martin has put up monster numbers since April 29: 35 Ks, 2 BB in 27 2/3 IP, 2.60 ERA. Has closed at times…Allard was ranked 12th in the Braves system at the midseason. Tellingly 6 pitchers in AA/AAA ranked ahead of him, so there wasn’t a clear/direct path for him
I don’t know I personally don’t know if I like the value we gave up to get a 33 year old rental for 2-3 months and Martin was just in Japan 2 years ago. Allard is 22 years old and yes he has taken longer to develop than a lot of the other pitchers in that draft that netted Soroka but I feel like the Braves may have given up a little early on Allard.
Kind of reminds me of the Braves giving up Elvis Andrus, Neftali Feliz, Matt Harrison and Jarrod Saltalamacchia to the Texas Rangers for Mark Teixeira. And than watching all of those guys mash with other clubs for many years why Teixeira was also elsewhere.
Now Martin has a 4/43 BB:SO ratio which our bullpen REALLY needs and who knows. Maybe he can show a bunch of our current bullpen mates a little trick or two on how to not walk guys.
We will only be able to grade this trade in a year or so when we see how Allard does.
Braves fans. Would you trade kirby yates for ian anderson? Serious question
Nope. But I would trade pretty much any other pitching prospect
He’s a 21 year old lefty arm… I think the spectrum from “potentially really good” to “potentially really bad” is quite large. Maybe looks like an overpay now, sure. But we’ll see. If anything, this move is indicative of the crazy organizational depth in Atlanta that everyone who’s mad about this move has seemingly forgotten about.
Not splashy, but I like this move for ATL.
If the Braves make a playoff run this year you’ll be glad you have him. He HAS NOT been mediocre this year – he’s been really good.
I wanted atl to move Allard this deadline. He just simply isn’t producing. I like this move. Wish Martin had a bit more years of control, but hey, it’s a good move
On the current MLB.com prospect ratings, Allard is/was the Braves 10th rated prospect, but not in the top 100. Apparently that was the cost to out bid any other team’s offers.
I like Martin’s control and K’s. Part of his 2-yr contract with Texas requires him to be a free-agent after the end of this season, so he is only a rental.
Maybe Allard could not get more in this current market, but I was hoping that adding him to another prospect would have gotten a bigger return. Gotta give Anthopoulus credit for the bullpen acquisitions of Tomlin and Swarzak. Maybe Martin will be of similar help.
Wow Rangers finally make a good trade!
Your last one must have been when you harvested our farm for tex I take it? God that was a dumb one, but our gm at the time knew it was his last ditch effort in his position.
I am not the biggest fan of trading away Kolby Allard, and I think that The Rangers did win the trade for the time being, but not by a wide margin. There is one name that comes to mind when hearing Kolby Allard and that is Aaron Blair. Blair had several good pitches, but never really expanded and grew a true out pitch. Which lead to his eventual down fall. I personally see a lot of that in Allard. He is not a bad pitcher, but the velocity isn’t there, lacks true starter size (though pitchers have gotten by smaller than he is), and the big thing is there is no true out pitch. A couple of good offerings, but nothing that he can rely on consistently to get hitters out with. This is a complete gamble for both teams. The Rangers have to hope they have someone who can help Allard develop an out pitch, and The Braves have to hope that Martin isn’t a one hit wonder since they control his rights until 2024 if all goes well. The thing I think is bad in reference to Martin is because he is older that it makes it automatically a bad deal. Not necessarily. Some guys it takes them longer to reach their potential. With Martin, The Braves hope he can keep it up, and not suffer from that volatile reliever syndrome that a lot of relievers seem to go through after having a good season, they melt down the next. This is to me 55% in The Rangers favor, and 45% in The Braves favor, but all of the favor is in The Braves favor right now, but Allard in the future makes it in The Rangers favor, but this is not an absolute slam dunk for The Rangers, because The Rangers have a ton of “ifs” with Allard, but if they hit on those “ifs” then they win this trade, but realistically it’s hard to hit on a lot of “ifs”.
It’s a 100% slam dunk for Texas because this is a rental middle reliever. They aren’t making the postseason. Allard is a potential backend starter and that is more than enough to justify giving up a rental middle reliever.
“The two-year, $4MM contract Martin signed upon returning to MLB stipulated that he can become a free agent at the end of the deal”.
Apparently no one knows very much about Allard if they think Atlanta got robbed. He basically throws batting practice. He can’t even miss AAA bats.
Yeah just ignore that 2.72 ERA over 112 innings in AAA as a 20 year old last season.
He’s faded as an elite prospect but don’t discredit he’s not even 22, Left Handed, and has had serious success in AAA before.
ATL didn’t give up anyone elite in their system but Allard is still a quality prospect for a rental reliever
Last season isn’t this season and his stuff is only declining. He’s a nothing in this system.
Yes! The Braves got the lead singer of Coldplay… think of all of the songs they are going to sing!
Viva la vida!
Solid add for the Braves, and likely just the first of many. Allard’s value was declining and the Braves farm is loaded. May as well get a decent bullpen piece.
I don’t love it, but I don’t hate it
AA has got this. Martins strike-out ratio sealed the deal. Sink back into your Lazyboys and watch as further magic unfurls
Daamn Allard for a 33 year old rental? Sell Zaidi sell. If that’s what a rental with an ERA above 3 gets you then I’m fine with trading every reliever the giants have
As A Ranger Fan knowing we aren’t going to be in the play-offs I love ❤️ the Trade !!!
What does Coldplay get in return? 😛
Good move by the Braves… Wow. He was great against the Astros on many occasions. He is a better move than Dallas K…
FIP isn’t great but getting out of Texas should help. His 1.9 HR/9 is quite a lot! Otherwise, I like it.
Ayer the stroman return I said, crap, everything is broken. Then the Rangers traded a scrap for a leggggggit prospect. Take minor and Lynn too please. That’s Pache at the veryear, least. I thought things were broken, faith restored!
I’ve been saying it, they keep making mediocre changes. give a player if for one of 33 years? It makes no sense, you will see how in the end they do not make any movement. in the end they will leave with the same excuses as always “we tried but could not” and last year the braves made a profit of 442 M It is that thing of not knowing how to change and in particular I am not surprised
Decent add for Atlanta’s messy bullpen, not mediocre. Ratios like his are pretty elite, and to me even more impressive when considering his 6’8″ height. Admittedly the track record for that success is small. Maybe he worked on his mechanics in Japan. Whatever the case, I’ve seen him throw very well this year. See how he does there, sign him for another couple years if you like him, then a clear win.
Definitely a lot of Braves fans on both sides of the fence. I was reading the chatter last night and initially thought it was a bit of a reach. However, after watching Minter, Swarzak, and Jackson give up 6 ERs in less than 3 IP last night in a route, it became evident that AA knew what we all knew. “We need help.” I will simply state I’m confident Martin will continue his career year and help the relief corps. Allard never really was a future option for the rotation with other pieces we have.
The thing I am trying to get a grasp on is how AA is trying to use the farm to balance immediate vs future needs. We are all aware of limited international options we face due to previous regime. However, I sense that AA can’t deal his Top prospects. Not because he doesn’t want to, I simply don’t think he can. I think the biggest resource the Braves have going forward is cash to address future needs. Consider the team, and expected salaries for next year.
1B-Freeman $22 Million
2B-Albies $1 Million
CF-Inciarte $7 Million
RF-Acuna $1 Million
Both Markakis and Flowers are on 6 Million club options with 2 million buyout.
Teheran has a 12 million club option with 1 Million buyout. I see the Braves bringing Flowers and Teheran back and buying out Markakis. This would cost $20 Million.
In total the Braves would have the core back at roughly $60 Million. To me, that leaves them with atleast $60-$65 Million next year to address other needs. I expect the Braves will offer a Qualifying Offer to Donaldson. Therefore, they get him for roughly $18 Million or receive a pick if someone else signs him.
My point is this….I only expect the Braves to move picks that range from 6-30 to address this years needs. Keep the high level picks to feed your team during tough Arbitration years. Aggressively seek team friendly extensions. I expect one more bullpen piece today. Hopefully that will then improve 8th and 9th inning issues. Overall, a quiet day for the Braves as they can’t afford to pony up.
Look, I repeat, I’m a fan of braves since 1989, I’ve seen everything, now that I see this young team, full of talent, it’s time to make the right moves. The team to beat in the Division, what is it? Nationals and phillies. but the team to beat in the National League are the Dodgers, if changes cannot be made to compete with the Dodgers we will be in trouble The braves need 2 RP of experience and 2 good SPs, now that they are up, it’s time to send it via change. Yesterday GM Alex missed the opportunity to get Bauer a mistake … he could also with Stroman. in the end you will see that nothing will be done and will come back with the same excuse “I TRY BUT I DID NOT BE ABLE TO” It is sad but strange those GM from Atlanta of the past that if they made the changes to win. I’m tired of seeing that if it’s 12M … the braves made a profit last year of 442M … it’s time to do things and not think so much about money
The trades you want would gut the farm system which isn’t going to happen. This was a good trade and we don’t need 2 SP’s and 2 RP”s we just need a closer our SP’s are good and the relief core was best in NL (era) after a shaky start for months up until recently which has been because of too many walks something Chris Martin doesn’t do. This isn’t a video game or fantasy baseball where you can just buy and sell people at a whim. People have to want to deal with you or come to your club plus there’s financial considerations and all sorts of stuff. I like what Alex has done so far his pickups of Blevins, Swarzak, Tomlin, Donaldson, and Keuchel have all been great for the braves. Donaldson was pricey and had a slow start sure but he’s definitely earning his pay lately. Duvall was also an Alex pickup and he’s playing great right now. Alex has been great at extracting value from guys for cheap. More money thrown around doesn’t necessarily mean more wins.
I understand your logic, but I don’t share it you think that you can reach a world series with a teheran that the maximum he has won in the years he has been with atlanta are 10 games. no newcomb and less Foltynewicz who are you going to give fried to? that maximum throws well are 5 entries and already in the 6th the decline begins the bullpen is a disaster, and that’s why there is no solid rotation. Look friend this gm was left to take Stroman and Bauer. In the end, he came out with Rp, which is nothing bad but does not guarantee a world series. will come up with the excuse of “I tried but nobody wanted to change” In the end we will keep a mediocre rotation and we will lose again in the postseason.
The braves had 442M in profits, not bad. and continue with the money thing as if they were poor years ago they opted for prospect theory Of 10 you have only 3 will be good. the others are via change And that’s where a GM has to be cunning. They are clearly a gausman throwing horribly … a teheran nothing reliable and a Fried that I assure you that if you put it in a postseason does not. What rotation do we have to face some Dodgers, let’s see. We do not have it. let’s leave this theory of the marlins that look where the marlins are for playing with pure prospects. I just hope that Freeman will one day take a world series ring with Atlanta But the step we take is not the good one. It has to have a solid rotation. It’s simple … two solid veterans and you’re not bad at all Fried and Soroka. but with what you have it will not come, I tell you. If the necessary changes are not made, it will not be reached. of promises we are already somewhat tired
The Dodgers team is primarily built from their Farm System and you keep bringing them up as the team to beat but that means Braves need “big” name trades by sacrificing their farm system? huh?
The Braves have won more games when Teheran starts than any other starting pitcher they have this year regardless of what Teheran’s personal win totals are that’s the reality.
The world series is never a guarantee no matter what moves you make. Wild Card teams have won the world series many times in the past.
Tell me what you earned with this theory of the marlins nothing The goal do you know what it is? The world series. If it is not reached, it is a failure. it’s that easy me with the offensive if I have no problems but with pitching pitching is 75% in baseball. July teheran since 2013 and 2014 does not win 14 games. Every year he earns less. so if you don’t give more because you don’t use it via change. it is simple out of 10 prospects you can say, you don’t have 10 good prospects, if any 3 so if you already have Soroka and Fried..wue stubbornness of being in the same theory that has not given result is the truth although many of us don’t like it we continue in the theory of the Marlins and it has not worked for us it worked for the marlins but not us ok it was changed for an RP, another one is needed … and I let Stroman and Bauer escape that you could join him to Keuchel..more Soroka and Fried You already had a solid rotation but not the same excuse that they ask for a lot, I don’t want to change and atlanta is not poor last year they had 442M in earnings they have to spend friend if the necessary changes are not made .. forget it will be another failure in the playoffs