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Rays Sign Wander Franco To 11-Year Extension

By Steve Adams | November 27, 2021 at 3:55pm CDT

Seventy games into his Major League career, Rays shortstop Wander Franco has agreed to an 11-year, $182MM contract extension.  The contract also comes with a $25MM club option for the 2033 season (with a $2MM buyout) and a series of $3MM escalators based on MVP voting, so the deal’s maximum value sits at $223MM over 12 years.  Franco is represented by agent Manny Paula.

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Franco’s contract is both a franchise record for the Rays, topping Evan Longoria’s previous $100MM guarantee, and also a record for any player with less than one year of Major League service time. Ronald Acuna Jr.’s eight-year, $100MM contract had been the largest ever signed by a player with less than a year of service, but Franco will nearly double that sum with today’s precedent-shattering agreement.

In terms of financial breakdown, Franco will receive a $5MM bonus right off the bat. The shortstop will earn $1MM in 2022, $2MM in both 2023 and 2024, $8MM in 2025, $15MM in 2016, $22MM in 2027, and then $25MM in each of the 2028-32 seasons.

Franco would receive an extra $3MM in the event of a trade, but there isn’t any no-trade protection involved in the extension. There also aren’t any provisions related to the Rays’ plan to split time between Tampa and Montreal once the team’s lease at Tropicana Field is up after the 2027 season.

Franco, who won’t turn 21 until March, ranked as the sport’s No. 1 overall prospect in each of the past three offseasons and largely justified that hype when he debuted just months after his 20th birthday. The switch-hitter slashed .288/.347/.463 with seven home runs, 18 doubles, five triples and a pair of stolen bases through 308 plate appearances.

From July 25 to Sept. 29, Franco embarked on one of the more remarkable stretches in recent memory, reaching base in a staggering 43 consecutive games in spite of his youth. During that time, he posted a combined .329/.398/.545 batting line with more walks (9.1%) than strikeouts (8.1%). Franco only appeared in 70 games this season but was impressive enough to finish third in AL Rookie of the Year voting.

Defensively, Franco received split marks for his work at shortstop, putting up six Defensive Runs Saved, average marks per Ultimate Zone Rating and a minus-3 mark in Statcast’s Outs Above Average. However, scouting reports on him have pegged him as at least an average shortstop — if not better — in addition to touting his elite hit tool, plus power and plus speed. That generally aligns with the .331/.399./535 slash he posted in his meteoric rise through 215 minor league games. Prior to Franco’s promotion, FanGraphs’ Eric Longenhagen wrote that he’d been “the best player his age on the planet since he was 14 years old” and touted him as a perennial MVP candidate. ESPN’s Kiley McDaniel, meanwhile, called him “plus at basically everything on a baseball field.” Take your pick of Franco scouting reports from the 2020-21 offseason and they’ll all generally be filled similar superlatives.

Because the Rays waited until late June to promote Franco, he was a veritable lock to fall shy of Super Two status under the current arbitration system (which could potentially change, depending on how collective bargaining talks play out). Franco wouldn’t have been arbitration-eligible until after the 2024 season and would’ve had to wait until the 2027-28 offseason to reach free agency. The 11-year length of the contract buys out all three of Franco’s pre-arbitration seasons — during which he’d likely have made under $1MM apiece — and all three arbitration years. He’s also surrendering control of six would-be free-agent seasons (though only five are fully guaranteed).

Some fans will recoil at the notion of guaranteeing $182MM to a player with just 70 big league games under his belt, but those 70 games largely confirmed what the industry has expected from Franco since he signed for a bonus of nearly $4MM as a 16-year-old: he looks the part of a budding superstar. And, a westward look toward San Diego shows what could happen by waiting to allow the player to further establish himself. Fernando Tatis Jr. didn’t sign an extension until he had accrued two years of Major League service, and his price tag ballooned to 14 years and $340MM. Franco’s price tag upon waiting would likely have extended even beyond that point and may well have become too sizable for the Rays’ typically frugal ownership.

It’s tempting to ponder just how much Franco might be “leaving on the table,” so to speak; free agent Carlos Correa has already pocketed $27MM in career salaries and is reportedly seeking a contract worth more than $300MM at the same age Franco would’ve been upon reaching free agency. Extension rumblings surrounding Juan Soto have elicited speculation of $400MM or even $500MM in total guaranteed money; Soto is 23 and has three-plus years of MLB service.

Franco would have found himself on a similar trajectory had he gone the year-to-year route, and one could certainly argue that betting on himself in hopes of setting an even more dramatic record was the more prudent path forward. That said, it’s difficult to fault anyone for accepting this type of guarantee — particularly at such a young age. Generations of Franco’s family will be financially secure because of it, and he can still take heart in knowing that he’s nearly doubled the previous precedent, thus further advancing the market for future players. Beyond that, because of his youth, Franco can still reach free agency as a 32-year-old, which is young enough to command a second substantial contract.

The possibility of “leaving money on the table” also assumes good health and continued production from Franco moving forward. Taking the extension now mitigates much of the risk associated with a career-altering injury or injuries — a danger that exists for any player. It also safeguards against Franco “merely” becoming a solid regular rather than a bona fide superstar (or, less likely, declining into a sub-par player). Promising as his beginnings were, he’d hardly be the first player to impress as a rookie before taking a few years to reach his ceiling or even stalling out entirely.

Ongoing labor talks also have to be considered. While the next collective bargaining agreement could have improved Franco’s earning power, it’s also feasible that a new CBA might have hurt him to an extent; ownership has already proposed an age-based free-agent threshold of 29.5 years, for instance, and although that particular number was a nonstarter for the players association (due to just this type of situation), the league could explore various permutations of such mechanisms. Regardless of how labor talks between MLB and the MLBPA play out, Rays president of baseball operations Erik Neander and Franco can both rest easy knowing that perhaps the most critical negotiation either will ever personally take part in has been resolved.

Any and all instances of the Rays spending money bring about the typical comments wondering how long until the player on the receiving end of the deal is traded. Such barbs are admittedly somewhat justified due to the Rays’ history of trading players — e.g. Longoria, Blake Snell, Chris Archer — in the latter stages of their extensions. But, even if that’s Franco’s ultimate fate, it’s unlikely to happen anytime soon. Extensions of this nature tend to mirror what the player would have earned absent the long-term contract; in other words, Franco may receive an up-front signing bonus, but his yearly salaries through the first six years figure are considerably lighter than they will be in the portion of his contract covering what would have been free-agent years.

In the short term, then, the Franco extension will have only minimal impact on club payroll. Tampa Bay was projected by Roster Resource’s Jason Martinez to field a payroll of around $76MM in 2021, and the Franco contract probably won’t push that mark up to even $80MM. That number still figures to drop a bit in the near future as the Rays contemplate potential trades and non-tenders related to an abnormally large arbitration class, but any trades or non-tenders of arb-eligible players in the coming days will be unrelated to Franco’s long-term pact.

At the end of the day, any contract of this magnitude involves some give and take for both sides. Any number of things could’ve gone wrong for Franco in the years to come, and the looming possibility of those pitfalls underscores the fact that the typically small-payroll Rays are taking on what is, by their standards, an unprecedented risk.

While many will be quick to declare “winners” and “losers” in Hot Stove transactions — be they trades, free-agent signings or contract extensions — there are also instances where a deal simply appears sensible for all sides. Franco receives a generational amount of money and retains the ability to reach free agency in his early 30s. The Rays secure control of a franchise cornerstone whom they hope and believe can be an all-time great. The players union surely approves of the precedent for players with under a year of service being moved forward so substantially.

Ultimately, Franco’s new contract contains positives for all parties involved — perhaps with the exception of Tampa Bay’s division rivals in the AL East who now have to wonder how to combat the emerging superstar into the 2030s.

Yancen Pujols of El Caribe reported last week that the Rays had offered a record-setting extension worth between $150-200MM. Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times reported on Nov. 23 that an agreement was close, and he also had the year-to-year salary breakdown. Joel Sherman of the New York Post (Twitter link) and Hector Gomez of Z101 Sports (Twitter link) reported general parameters, and ESPN’s Jeff Passan eventually reported the specific terms of the contract (Twitter thread).

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  1. TradeAcuna

    3 years ago

    I wander what it will be…

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    • Chipper Jones' illegitimate kid

      3 years ago

      I wander how many years he will play for the Rays before they sell his “team friendly contract” to the highest bidder to shed salary.

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      • Pawsdeep

        3 years ago

        When does it start for them to actually pay him more than 7 digits?

        There’s your answer.

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        • iverbure

          3 years ago

          That’s not really the answer. They’ll trade him when the analytics tell them the surplus value is going down. Yes generally that’s when the player becomes more expensive but it could be if the player has a nagging injury that will require surgery eventually among other things.

          That’s why I find it comical these people keep chanting the sport needs a salary cap. They say things like, fans can’t get behind the rays because they trade away their trades so often. In order to build a good fan base you need to identify with the players and some other stupid narratives. Well I got news for you salary caps increase player turn over. Good teams can’t afford to keep players because it will put them over the cap. Teams in the nhl are in constant turnover. They’ve all got cap guys strictly to crunch the numbers and say listen we should trade this younger guy now because next year we won’t be able to afford him and we get back this younger cheaper guy for two year until we have to repeat this process again? What team does that sound like? You dorks who think a salary cap is a good thing don’t even know anything.

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        • Chipper Jones' illegitimate kid

          3 years ago

          Who are you talking to? No one here said anything about a salary cap, bud.

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        • Seven_Costanza

          3 years ago

          People on this site are always talking about a salary cap.

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        • Treehouse22

          3 years ago

          This is a much better deal for the Rays than all of those $250-$425 mil deals that teams are giving to guys in their late 20’s. Those guys will be in their INEVITABLE DECLINE halfway thru the contract and will need a walker to get out on the field in the last few years. He’ll still be a beast throughtout this contract. Great move. I hope baseball is headed in this direction.

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        • Mystery Team

          3 years ago

          @BudgetBall I agree with you 100%. This is exactly how teams should operate when dealing with young stars. Pay them when they’re young and keep them happy during their productive years instead of playing the arbitration game with them and then having to pay them a stupid contract when their skills have clearly declined. Everyone in baseball saw last year what the Rays have in this kid, he’s basically Derek Jeter 2.0. He gets on base and scores runs and will do it for many years. Awesome deal all around.

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        • KierMayor

          3 years ago

          Ah yes.

          The salary cap REALLY seems to be harming the NBA and NFL…

          Fans are leaving those sports in droves to come support the hip, new, MLB!

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        • Vlad Jr’s McGangbang

          3 years ago

          You sound like the biggest dork, dork

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        • Joseph Gonzalez

          3 years ago

          Did you just compare a guy who has only played 70 games to jeter ? ……

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        • isiight

          3 years ago

          He will probably be better to be honest. Jeter was one of the worst defenders ever. Looks like franco has a similar hit tool if not better and his defense is clearly better so i don’t see the issue. As long as franco stays healthy he will be a generational talent.

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        • ews34

          3 years ago

          The sport does need a cap, which comes with increased revenue sharing and a floor. Just look at what the Dodgers did by acquiring two good players from the Nationals.

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        • MIKE PAUL

          3 years ago

          jeter had less career errors than ozzie smith and phil rizzuto. his fielding stats show an average of 10 errors per year and he always made tough plays and was a great help to other fielders. im not a yankee fan at all, but you comparing franco to jeter now with the bat or glove is very premature. i think you may want to study more

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        • Cosmo2

          3 years ago

          Jeter was a terrible fielder. Errors are an awful star to judge fielding by. He had no range.

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        • TalkSomeSense

          3 years ago

          Iverbure
          What NHL team does what you suggest? ” They all ” is your quote but the Leafs, Rangers, Canadians, Bruins et al do not trade budding young star players just for the sake of meeting the cap. Do you even watch hockey?

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        • swinging wood

          3 years ago

          Fewer

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        • rainbirdmuse

          3 years ago

          They’ll unload him to the Yankees no matter what the analytics say in about five years..

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        • Jimmie Foxx

          3 years ago

          You may want to study more. To use errors to judge someone’s defensive capabilities is as laughable as comparing Jeters defense to Ozzie Smith. Jeter had zero range, hence why his errors were lower. Smith got to so many balls, he had more opportunities for errors. Derek Jeter was a horrible defender. What will you throw out next…Gold Gloves? LOL.

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        • MIKE PAUL

          3 years ago

          same

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        • MIKE PAUL

          3 years ago

          hence…hence… do you have word of the day toilet paper? so smith got to more ball so he had more errors ? so if you range far right or left and get to a ball and cannot make the play either by catch or throw, you get an error, HENCE, he had more errors. well well mr score keeper. ranging to get a ball most times if the play is not completed become base hits, so there goes that error theory right down the crapper. you know they play professional football and basketball, perhaps you should be a fan of those because you know nothing about baseball, HENCE, you are wrong.

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        • JT19

          3 years ago

          Jeter had less errors (by 27) than Ozzie but also logged 2000 more innings at SS and had a lower fielding %. Jeter also had 2000 less chances (defined by bbref as putouts + assists + errors) than Smith despite those additional innings. You can make an argument that different eras and hitting philosophies of those eras can influence those numbers, but I doubt to the extent of 2000 less chances.

          Yes on purely the eye test Jeter passes and he made some great defensive plays in his career, but a couple of great defensive plays don’t immediately make you a superstar on defense. Hell he wasn’t even the best SS on the team after the Yankees traded for A-Rod.

          The simple fact is that Jeter’s defensive shortcomings got overlooked because of what he brought to the table with his bat and who he was.

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        • MIKE PAUL

          3 years ago

          i would say a-rod seattle, and texas, you are correct. by his new york days, his range and arm were on a great decline without the medical help he took. it took a toll on him and he would not have lasted with the wear of playing short, but pre-yankees i think he was much better

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        • Cosmo2

          3 years ago

          Mike Paul, More range, even if SOME of it is mitigated by errors is still vastly better than less range. This isn’t controversial. Your rant is way off base.

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        • MIKE PAUL

          3 years ago

          MY rant as it is called is to the classification of terrible fielder. ow after 70 games does this rookie get classified as a better fielder.. predicting trends of stats is a very hard thing to do. i have seen a ton of rookies not pan out. some is their hitting, some fielding. he may be a center fielder someday because he cannot field or throw. i am honestly not a big jeter fan, hell im in ohio, we hate new york anything, but they say they know what this guy can do and what another didn’t do as well, AFTER 70 GAMES.

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      • yankees2016rebuild

        3 years ago

        He might be a ray for the whole contract its such a team friendly deal if he doesn’t suffer a major injury this is the first time ever the Ray’s made a move for there fans. Congratulations rays fans

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        • kingken67

          3 years ago

          Doubtful. That’s not the Rays’ way of doing business. My guess is the first few years of the deal slowly ramp up the salary, similar to how pre-arb and the 3 arbitration years would and then max out in the final 5 years. By the time the contract gets to those max dollar amount years the Rays will have traded Franco to a large market team. That way they avoid the actual most expensive payout years of the deal while having absorbed a lot of the AAV for those later years early on. That way whoever Franco gets traded to will have to pay the higher amount but have less counted against their AAV. It’s similar to what NY did in acquiring Stanton from Miami. They’re paying him $32M per year in actual salary but only $25M per year counts against the Luxury Tax calculations.

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        • lionelhutz

          3 years ago

          @Kingken67 100% right. This is similar to Trout’s initial (much shorter) 6-year $144 million deal that included his 3 years of arbitration and first 3 FA-eligible seasons. First three ramped up each year: $5.25 m (would have been Arb-1), $15.25 (Arb-2), and $19.25 m (Arb-3), then the first 3 years of what would have been FA (2018-20) would have been $33.25 m/year.

          2019-20 were of course not ultimately paid under that deal, having been replaced by his 12-year, $426.5 m extension.

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      • Chris Hager

        3 years ago

        2029 or 2030

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      • Deadguy

        3 years ago

        That’s bound to happen with a 225 million dollar max out contract in Tampa… they know they cannot afford that and balance the team.

        I love that they think singing Franco will make fans show up at that stadium though. Maybe the city should help em out?

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      • Paul Griggs

        3 years ago

        I thought the same thing but the Rays continue to win and put good teams on the field.

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      • David Barista

        3 years ago

        11years? Terrible contract….

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      • TBJ12

        3 years ago

        Looks like 2028 to me. That’s still a long time of this dude torturing the Al East.

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  2. bucsfan0004

    3 years ago

    Don’t do it, Wander!

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    • CubsWin108

      3 years ago

      wtf not? does not matter if he gets traded he’s still gonna get paid

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    • Yankee-4-Lifer 75

      3 years ago

      I’ll never understand and always Wander why he signed? My guess is at that price he’ll be a lifetime Ray.

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      • BrandonF87

        3 years ago

        A lifetime Ray? Unlikely. I’m sure at some point he’ll be traded.

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        • lady1959

          3 years ago

          Wow that’s going out on a limb with that statement ⚾️

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        • bucsfan0004

          3 years ago

          Only lifetime Rays in baseball are Robbie and Johnny

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        • Yankee-4-Lifer 75

          3 years ago

          This is going to be a bargain for the Rays. Wandering, why trade him? Franco no doubt will definitely be the face of the franchise for years to come.

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        • dbacksrs

          3 years ago

          Are you Jimmy Ray?

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        • Yankee-4-Lifer 75

          3 years ago

          @dbacksrs- nah man, just a Ray of Sunshine

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      • Faith in the Padres

        3 years ago

        Probably because it’s an 11 or 12 year deal maxed out at 223 mill. He’s 20. Sets himself up for a nice pay day once contract is up at 32. All in all he’ll probably see 300 mill or more in his career if he lives up to the hype. He’s locked in, making money, and doesn’t have to worry about arb, QO, stuff.

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        • hiflew

          3 years ago

          A nice payday? The kid got $223 million today. How much more will he need at 32? I don’t think money will be a big factor in his decision then.

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        • Faith in the Padres

          3 years ago

          How much more will he need? None

          How much more will he make at 32? 100 mill or so way prices are going up.

          Thanks for agreeing that he will probably see 300+ mill in his career.

          Players don’t play for pennies. And discounts aren’t really discounts when you take 9 mill instead of 11 mill. He’ll hit free agency near prime years and still earn money.

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        • bloomquist4hof

          3 years ago

          The way things are going 223 million will get a burger and fries by the time he’s 32.

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        • Faith in the Padres

          3 years ago

          That’s a fair point lmao. Lower your expectations. Inflation is a good thing.

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      • stymeedone

        3 years ago

        Look at Frazier and Andujar of the NYY. They each had a solid year, and then an injury changed what looked to be a promising career. Heaven forbid something happens to Wander, but if it does, we will be asking how much TB could have saved if they had just gone year to year. The risk is on TB.

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        • schellis 2

          3 years ago

          Another to consider is Gordon Beckham. Had a similar year to Franco at 22. looked like a building block for the White Sox then cratered. Yes it is extremely likely that Franco left possibly around 100 million on the table. 225 million though is nothing to sneeze at and with the questions out there right now, lock out/strike/caps/floors/different route to free agency I think its wise of him to get his contract locked in. For all we know it will be agreed that teams control players till they are almost 30 with contracts based off production.

          If this happens and Franco is merely good, or worse goes Beckham this is a massive mistake for the Rays since they would have already had the control in place.

          Franco is protecting his family from anything stupid and is still getting generational life changing money. Great for him. You don’t need to get every cent you can to be set and happy.

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        • Dogbone

          3 years ago

          PLEASE, don’t compare Franco to Gordon Beckham. What are you drinking? That is hilarious.

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        • Mystery Team

          3 years ago

          Gordon Beckham dude, really?? Crack much?

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        • Vlad Jr’s McGangbang

          3 years ago

          Gordon Beckham? LMAO

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        • Tigers3232

          3 years ago

          When did Frazier have a solid year? His 12 HRS and .267 BA over 250 ABs during the juiced ball season of 2019?

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      • Paul Griggs

        3 years ago

        There are very few players anymore that play on just one team.

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  3. Mynameisnoname

    3 years ago

    A nice coup in a general sense, but Franco agreeing to greater than ten years seems team friendly.

    Maybe there are mutual options at the back, but if not, hitting FA on the wrong side of 30 makes me think Franco’s reps could have done better.

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    • Logjammer D"Baggagecling

      3 years ago

      Wrong said of 30? He’ll be 32. He’ll be just as just reaching his prime. Unless there’s opt outs which would be smart to have. Hopefully for him a full no trade clause.

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      • nh_55

        3 years ago

        Nah 32 is usually towards the tail end of a player’s prime. Prime years typically around 27 going through early 30s although injuries can even shorten that timeline.

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    • FloridaSportsGuy

      3 years ago

      It’s always amazing to me Just how much more information MLBTR commenters have that agents and FOs don’t. Imagine the value they could all create by representing players themselves!

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  4. agu_iii

    3 years ago

    I’ll never understand young superstar hitters signing extensions. Acuna, trout, longo back in the day left a lot money on the table.

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    • Pawsdeep

      3 years ago

      REALLY hard to turn down a guaranteed 200mil when the latter prospect of ‘more’ is an option contingent on something as fragile as ones health playing a game 162 times a year.

      That’s the type of generational wealth that most of us can only dream of. His family is set for life and generations after him are as well

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      • Bright Side

        3 years ago

        I get that, OTOH, it’s not like these guys are destitute. They’ve already made millions and, unless they are foolish with finances, are set for life.

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        • Pawsdeep

          3 years ago

          @ bright side You should read about what the agencies in Latin American countries do in regards to what they actually take from the kids they shuttle here.

          I’ll bet they took more than half his original signing bonus. It’s pretty shady. He may not have had nearly what you think he does.

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        • ButchAdams

          3 years ago

          @brightside, they aren’t millionaires when they sign these extensions. They make less than 600k ur until arb and less than 100k a yr in minors. When they sign these contracts, they may have made $1m total. Now, subtract the taxes, agency fees, they bought themselves and mom a car and a house. And they’re living payday to payday like us. If they don’t sign that team friendly but player security contract and shatter a leg or hip before they get to arbitration, they’re screwed just like if we lose our jobs.

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        • ButchAdams

          3 years ago

          Plus giving a 18,20,22yo kid 2 options…
          A. U get 1/2 million each of next 3yrs, few million the next 3yrs, the u can get 20-30million a yr. Or

          B. Well give u $15m now but ur locked into that 15, for 12yrs

          Which do u think the kid picks

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        • Thomas E Snyder

          3 years ago

          B. Properly invested it will be a better deal.

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        • redmatt

          3 years ago

          Wander hasn’t made millions, unless it’s in endorsements AND he’s saved whatever bonus he received.

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        • lionelhutz

          3 years ago

          Not to mention that B is guaranteed $15 m for each of those 12 years while A isn’t guaranteed. Any career ending injury in any of those first 6 years, and not only is the $20-30 m/year starting in year 7 out the window, but the team also doesn’t need to pay even any of the remaining years the first 6 years.

          If Wander didn’t take the deal, yeah, there’s a good chance he’ll get $20+ or $30+ m/year beginning in 6 years, but he’s one major car accident or other serious injury away from not only never getting that opportunity, but also not even getting paid on any of the remaining club control or arbitration awards going forward.

          By taking the deal, even if he dies in the interim, he or his estate still get the full $223 million. That’s hard to pass up.

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        • brickhaus

          3 years ago

          Lol. The minute you sign a guaranteed extension you can fully borrow against it as collateral. Nobody’s living paycheck to paycheck.

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        • bucsfan0004

          3 years ago

          Wander signed for $3.5M, probably got whacked for half or more in taxes, agents, etc.

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        • Paul Griggs

          3 years ago

          The point is the best players make much more money than an average person.

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      • to4

        3 years ago

        Yup !!!!

        Talk about your inflation issues !

        I could take that inflated salary !

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    • Wadz

      3 years ago

      Saying yes to guaranteed hundreds of millions of dollars is confusing…

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      • agu_iii

        3 years ago

        It is when the possibility of doubling it after a few more years is there. Soto seems to be playing this right. We will see how much he makes when he hits the market.

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        • bhambrave

          3 years ago

          @agu_iii: I hope he doesn’t get injured first.

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        • Pawsdeep

          3 years ago

          @agu_iii the first 200 million is always the hardest.

          Checking that box off before he can legally drink is something I think any one of us would do-200 million for 10 years of your life and be done when your 30 isn’t something you would have done?

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        • Wadz

          3 years ago

          No it isnt… of course there’s always more potentially down the road.. but wondering how someone could possibly say yes to generational money guaranteed now isnt confusing at all..

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        • Chipper Jones' illegitimate kid

          3 years ago

          The issue is economically the difference between $400mil and $200mil isn’t the same as $200mil and $0 or even $1mil. The more money you make the less valuable that money becomes. Ask someone who makes $25K if they could use and extra $1500 and someone who makes $2.5mil and see how different their response is. If you could guarantee $200mil at the risk of losing the opportunity to make $400 mil, you make that decision every time and twice on Sunday.

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        • 1984wasntamanual

          3 years ago

          You think he has a chance to make $400 – $446 million dollars over the next 12 years?

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        • padam

          3 years ago

          Possibly, but he could also injure himself and never be the same. It’s guaranteed money with security, and he can always increase the dollars by investing it properly. There’s other ways to capitalize and fill that gap.

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        • YankeesBleacherCreature

          3 years ago

          Depending on your spending habits, there does come a point of diminishing returns. I was reading the other day about Adam Sandler’s net worth being in excess of $400M yet the dude dresses like an 18 y.o. and doesn’t drive any exotic cars. He spends that money on his real estate portfolio which are appreciating assets.

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        • smuzqwpdmx

          3 years ago

          Invest $200M in an index fund in your 20s and you’ll be a billionaire by 45.

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    • reckoner

      3 years ago

      A lot can happen between now and free agency. He’s securing generational wealth by taking a deal like this.

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    • seamaholic 2

      3 years ago

      Players get hurt and stop being superstars sometimes. You lock in too-much-to-spend-in-a-lifetime money at age 21, that’s a massive win.

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    • Dunk Dunkington

      3 years ago

      Really tough to turn down $200 million guaranteed money at such a young age. A player can get hurt tomorrow and never be the same and just never reach that potential.

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    • IndianaBraves85

      3 years ago

      It’s all about risk. If he signs this he’s looking at a max of 200M + 100M second contract but the floor is 200M. If he waits for his first deal he is probably looking at arb years plus 350+M but has a chance to get injured or flame out and never earn any real money.

      So it’s

      200-300M
      Or
      1M-400M+

      I’d choose the first option. I’d rather definitely be rich than maybe super duper rich or maybe out looking for a regular job.

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    • BrandonF87

      3 years ago

      200 million reasons make it fairly understandable.

      Yes that is potentially a team friendly deal and if he’s as good as he can be for those 10+ years he could definitely make more long term, but there’s a lot of risk in that for Wander. Possible he flames out or gets injured.

      There’s risk either way but taking the extension is certainly the safer bet.

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    • positively_broad_st

      3 years ago

      See Chris Coghlan…

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      • agu_iii

        3 years ago

        Nobody was gonna offer Chris Coghlan 200 million. See Mike trout and acuna who left a ton of money on the table.

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        • Pawsdeep

          3 years ago

          Trout is going to make half a billion dollars playing baseball.

          He gone be aight.

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        • agu_iii

          3 years ago

          He’s gonna be alright for sure but is he gonna make as much money as he should’ve if he didn’t take the angels early extension? I don’t think so. Acuna cost himself 300 million. Albies cost himself a ton of money too.

          I get that these guys make a ton of money but my point is that young superstar hitters cost themselves a lot more money by signing early extensions.

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        • bhambrave

          3 years ago

          What if Acuna’s knee injury had ended his career? Injuries happen. The player is buying security. That’s worth a lot.

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        • YankeesBleacherCreature

          3 years ago

          @agu_III Franco will cement himself as the face of the Rays’ franchise. There’s self-branding value in that along with more potential lucrative endorsement opportunities. With a savvy financial advisor(s), he can also borrow against *guaranteed* future revenue/income to invest where his ROI exceeds the interest paid. I’m not saying you’re wrong but it’s not as big of a difference in money as you would think if Franco is smart with his money.

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        • Thomas E Snyder

          3 years ago

          Some people are more risk tolerant than others.

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        • johnrealtime

          3 years ago

          And maybe if Trout/Acuna don’t take that extension then they play the game differently knowing they aren’t guaranteed anything and have a career ending injury. You just never know what will happen.

          Any argument against locking in the money is a silly one and you probably have a gambling problem.

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        • therealryan

          3 years ago

          Acuna didn’t cost himself anywhere near $300 million. His contract bought out 4 free agent seasons. Even if he would have gotten $40 million each, that’s $160 million plus another $60 million for his team control years. That means if he maxes out his current deal at 10/$124 million, he left maybe $100 million on the table. That would be assuming good health and continued top level production.

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        • Prospectnvstr

          3 years ago

          Coghlan was SUPPOSED to be 1 of the next superstars in the game. High draft pick, superior projections but ultimately completely fell flat.

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        • fivepoundbass

          3 years ago

          Is it a big difference if he were to make twice as much money and is still smart with it?

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        • Vlad Jr’s McGangbang

          3 years ago

          Chris Coghlan was never even close to being mentioned in the same breath as the Franco’s, Acuna’s and Trout’s of the world.

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    • johndietz

      3 years ago

      I doubt that. They made more money before their free agent year had they gone year to year. Plus it mitigates injury.

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    • toycannon

      3 years ago

      Nomar Garciaparra, David Wright, Joe Charboneau, Troy Tulowitzki and Tony Conigliaro say “Hello”.

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      • Triteon

        3 years ago

        Nice — I came here to say Charboneau.

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    • Ann Porkins

      3 years ago

      The downside of taking a $200M deal as a 20-year-old is that he would be “only” be filthy stinkin’ rich instead of very filthy stinkin’ rich. Either way, he’ll never have to work another job in his life.

      The downside for waiting until free agency is getting hurt and/or underperforming, making a fraction of this $200M-plus guarantee.

      The difference between $200M and $400M is minimal as far as being comfortable and set for life. The difference between $200M and $10M-$20M (what he might earn if he disappoints by the time he hits free agency) is way more dramatic. Not saying $10M is a pittance, but it’s not automatically generational “I never have to work again” money

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    • Joe says...

      3 years ago

      I’ll quote Eric Byrnes
      “If you get an amount you’re comfortable with an like where you are playing, let your great great grandkids get a job and earn their own money.”

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    • greg1

      3 years ago

      Why not? The truth is that while he may have been able to get 30-40M a year down the road, making 3-15M over the next five years puts him 60-70M behind when he finally hit FA. At 26-27, someone would offer him a decade at 350M. At 33, someone is going to offer him 125M. Dollars almost work out the same, and now he has the comfort of knowing if he were to be seriously injured at some point and could not compete at the same level as before, he’s still got $200+M coming in.

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    • CluHaywood

      3 years ago

      There is absolutely no guarantee that Wander plays 12 years in the league. He could have a debilitating injury tomorrow that lingers for years causing him to never be the same player. This is a ton of money with security

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    • BabyBoyBlueDiamond

      3 years ago

      Kyle Lewis of the Mariners is an example of a young player having tons of talent and then an injury threatens their career. Guaranteed contracts like these are good for both the player and team. Financial security is something only a small collection of players ever actually get to.

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      • Camden453

        3 years ago

        Yeah, they’re giving him probably more than what the years are worth

        He’d probably get $140 million for the 4 prime years and $50 million for the arb years without it

        He’s just hitting free agency at 31 instead of 27

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    • prov356

      3 years ago

      agu – By your estimation, how much money did Trout leave on the table that would be considered a lot by your standards? He’s getting paid $36m a year to play baseball in southern California and never has to move his young family around the country for a new team. I’d “settle” for $36m a year for that benefit alone.

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    • Stevil

      3 years ago

      He’s 20 years old and just got a 9-figure payday after playing less than a full MLB season.

      It shouldn’t be hard to understand why he did it. It’s easy for us to call it a mistake, or suggest that he should have bet (more) on himself, but what he’s getting isn’t chump change.

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    • hiflew

      3 years ago

      Stupid not to. Think about it. The downside of signing a deal like that means you might leave a few million on the table, maybe even as much as 50 million. But you still bank much more than that. The downside to not doing it is getting injured or just not playing well and not getting anything.

      It’s a lot easier to leave $50 million or even $100 million on the table when you are walking away with $200 million.

      Signing the deal
      Best case – $220 MM no matter how well you play over the next decade
      Worst case scenario – You become a multiple time MVP, get paid slightly less than you otherwise would have, and still get another huge deal at 32

      Not signing the deal
      Best case – You play well and get paid 20-40% more over 10 years. Instead of $220 MM, you might get $300+MM and your money pile will be slightly larger
      Worst case – You get injured in 2024 and never play the same again. You walk away from the game with about 3 years of minimum salary and maybe sign some more minimum deals due to name value.

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    • socalbball

      3 years ago

      When Trout signed his first extension and people criticized it the way you are, his agent said “never turn down your first fortune.” Made a lot of sense to me.

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      • bucsfan0004

        3 years ago

        I thought Trout’s first deal, 6/144 was lucrative, and it gave him a chance to teat free agency in his prime. Who could have possibly criticized Trout’s deal?

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    • Prospectnvstr

      3 years ago

      agu_iii: How many MILLIONS of dollars is enough to not only to set himself, his parents (& siblings?), and another generation or 2 up for their lives? I’m not sure myself, however that’s not a question that Wander Franco has to consider anymore.

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    • jjd002

      3 years ago

      Think about the prospects that bombed and never got the chance at big money… That’s why they take the guaranteed money.

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    • Berischa

      3 years ago

      If somebody offered me 180-220 million contract when I was only 20, I really wouldn’t mind leaving money on the table, you never know what can happen in your career plus at 30, if everything it still going well, then I’ll be able to get ack some of the money I left on the table

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    • Paul Griggs

      3 years ago

      The point is the best players make much more money than an average person.

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  5. 30 Parks

    3 years ago

    After a long career, Franco will go down as one of the greatest players to ever play for the Montreal Expos.

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    • LordD99

      3 years ago

      Montreal Raypos? Montreal Exrays!

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      • kenphelps44

        3 years ago

        Or the Montreal Repoes and sponsored by Airplane Repo and the Discovery Channel. Take that Farmer Johns Hotdogs and the LA Dodgers!

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    • brickhaus

      3 years ago

      If they wind up with a Montréal/Tampa Bay split city plan, they can change the name of the team to the Wanderers.

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      • 48-team MLB

        3 years ago

        Mexico City or Monterrey. Forget Montreal.

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        • bucsfan0004

          3 years ago

          The women are 100x hotter in Montreal.

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        • 48-team MLB

          3 years ago

          Honestly if they’re going to put another team in Canada then I’d rather see Vancouver.

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  6. FredMcGriff for the HOF

    3 years ago

    10 years and 200 million with half a season in MLB? He should absolutely take it and be set financially for life.

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  7. sdbaseballguy

    3 years ago

    I’d play it out and be free at 27. The whole pay structure may look very different after December 1st. He could significantly regress but if he doesn’t, he’s looking at 300-400 million earnings.

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    • bhambrave

      3 years ago

      Or a career-ending injury.

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    • agu_iii

      3 years ago

      Exactly. I said hitter for a reason. The likelihood that he is gonna regress to the point that he doesn’t make this 200 million sometime is small. The flipaide is if he continues to hit he is gonna make at least double this.

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    • sleepy bear

      3 years ago

      sdbaseball guy I doubt if you were actually offered this you’d turn it down. How is over $200m not enough? He’ll never spend that. And he’s young enough where he’ll still get a second contract.

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    • marinersblue96

      3 years ago

      Maybe he never reaches superstar status and is just a very good player. There are no guarantees in life but this money is.

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    • SoCalADRL

      3 years ago

      Yeah I’d take the money. How many more generations do you need to set up with $300 mil compared to $200? Why risk anything? Take the money and run.

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    • iverbure

      3 years ago

      I love these stupid gamblers who are willing to risk 200 million for potentially 15-500 million. Like it’s no wonder casinos print money with downright stupid people in the world.

      It’s also easy to say what you do with other peoples money. You see this in poker a lot. People say they would do certain things after they know the outcome. You would probably take the money if you were in his position you’d be stupid not too.

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      • brodie-bruce

        3 years ago

        also we all seem to forget where this kid came from, the kid most likely grew up very poor and struggled with just getting by. now ff to his teen years when he most likely discovered he was good a bb and a scout out there did to gets drafted. fights his way throughout the milb and gets his call up and just runs with his mlb chance. now you offer him literal life changing money for not only himself but his family back home for 1/2 a season of bb why wouldn’t you take that. i get he could possibly be leaving a lot of money on the table but lets say this happens (i hope not he is a fun kid to watch) he’s working out this winter and drops a weight on his foot and breaks it and out for most of the season and has setback after setback for the next few seasons after. now the kid gave up 200 for a shot at what an extra 100 to 200mil. i think he made the right play and if is smart invest that money if he needs more or he is dynamic enough player i’m sure he can get a bunch of endorsement deals. that’s my 2 cents on it

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  8. LordD99

    3 years ago

    He’ll still be traded.

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    • Pawsdeep

      3 years ago

      Oh for sure. This is has more to do with the rays having a tradable cost controlled asset that will fetch a MAMMOTH return than it does for them hoping he will finish the contract out in Tampa.

      The Rays org are masters at that.

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      • LordD99

        3 years ago

        Exactly.

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    • sdbaseballguy

      3 years ago

      Does he get a no trade clause in the contract?

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  9. PadreFan19

    3 years ago

    Honestly kind of hard to believe they’re doing this since their budget is cheaper than a Zimbabwean penny. If I were Franco I’d accept this offer immediately, but for Tampa it sounds far from ideal.

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    • Dunk Dunkington

      3 years ago

      Rays are taking the bet that Franco becomes a elite superstar player which by all account he should be unless injuries derail that.
      If Franco does become an elite player which odds say he will, then they locked him up for 10 years and when his contract really starts to get expensive for the Rays then they can flip him to another team and get a massive haul of prospects in return, since the team acquiring him will be getting an elite superstar player likely at a discounted long term deal.
      Rays are taking a risk no doubt, but the odds are very high Franco is going to be elite superstar, so it is a good bet to take for them.

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      • brickhaus

        3 years ago

        Plus, people keep talking AAV through the value of the deal. Next 3 years he’d be making less than a million a year, and assuming nothing crazy happens, the three seasons after that would be at a reduced rate. So we’re really talking about an 8 year, $182M guarantee with three of those seasons at a discount.

        $185M through his first 11 years would be significantly more than Manny Machado, Francisco Lindor, Bryce Harper or even Fernando Tatis Jr will be making through their first 11 seasons, and he’ll still be a free agent at 31 or 32. It’s really not a bad deal for him.

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    • LordD99

      3 years ago

      Can never blame anyone for taking $200M guaranteed at age 20, but he’s also sacrificing an approximate additional $200M when factoring in arbitration raises and hitting free agency at 25 and getting full market value. Acuna took a guaranteed $100M and “lost” several hundred million.

      As for the Rays, they’re taking risk in that he could bust of suffer a career-ending (there is insurance for that) but both are highly unlikely. Financially, they will backload it and trade him within four or five years, greatly limiting their financial exposure.

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      • LordD99

        3 years ago

        I see the reported terms are now 12/223. Even worse for Franco if true, as he will have sold out his highest-earning years to the Rays, but will still be traded. Bottom line, if you’re trading with the Rays or signing a deal, you likely just got screwed.

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        • LordD99

          3 years ago

          And now the reported terms are 12/185. Wow. A financial screwing on massive lost income even if he only turned out to be a 3 win player. (Put up 3.5 rWAR in only 70 games).

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        • padam

          3 years ago

          Perhaps, but what we don’t know is his personal and family situation. He may want the guaranteed dollars in case something were to happen, or if he falls off, or his family could use the money, etc. It’s still a better deal than what Acuna got, and he’s proven and will likely get better as he goes along his career.

          For the Rays, their holding a lottery ticket. They could easily let him play for two years, produce, and restock their farm system with a simple trade of an elite player who has 10 years @ $15-20M per at the ripe age of 22.

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      • hiflew

        3 years ago

        Does age matter in this scenario? I don’t think I could blame someone for taking that much money at age 20, 25, 30, 40, or 10.

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  10. MikeSadek3333

    3 years ago

    12 years–223 mil–18 mil plus average–sets him up for life, plus all his generations to follow–good for him

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    • MikeSadek3333

      3 years ago

      and yes–he may be leaving money on the table, but lets get real–$223 million and he gets to be a FA at age 32??–he still can get a decent contract at that age if he is still producing—but generational income like that would be amazing for him and his family–

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  11. hoof hearted

    3 years ago

    $200M!! well its not the Rays money.
    Its accually all the revenue sharing money they’ve been getting and not spending.

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    • bobtillman

      3 years ago

      John Henry and the Stienbrenners say ‘Thank You”.

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      • DarkSide830

        3 years ago

        you mean like 2/3 of the league…

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  12. Mjm117

    3 years ago

    Wow!

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  13. Camden453

    3 years ago

    I don’t know what he’s doing. He’d hit free agency at 27 as a top free agent and get a huge 10 year deal then at higher AAV. Probably over $400 million

    Now he’ll be 31 in free agency with much less value on the market

    He doesn’t really profile as injury prone

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    • Pawsdeep

      3 years ago

      He’s looking at 200 million dollars.

      That’s what he’s thinking. That kind of money has that effect on people, especially a kid who came from a 3rd world country.

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      • Camden453

        3 years ago

        Usually the guys who know they’ll be ok, know they can hit, just wait for free agency

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        • Pawsdeep

          3 years ago

          I get that. And if someone wants to gamble on themselves, that’s awesome and I wish them the best.

          But why a kid who grew up in the Dominican republic who isn’t even 21 would agree to $200 million should be a no brainer.

          It would be for any of us.

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        • LordD99

          3 years ago

          And the rich Wall Street guys like Sternberg and Silverman can use that to take advantage.

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        • Dustyslambchops23

          3 years ago

          “Guys who know they’ll be ok”

          Honestly, it’s as if you don’t know anything about sports.

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  14. Charlie III

    3 years ago

    Apparently Franco originally signed for $3.85M at age 16. Does anyone know if a Dominican kid has to pay American taxes on that?

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    • Pawsdeep

      3 years ago

      I know the agencies and prep academies that got him here took more of that than we would ever want to admit. It’s a very grimy and dirty part of the game in Latin America

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    • bigjonempire

      3 years ago

      Depends on where he was living. His “advisors/agent” probably took a giant chunk of the rest.

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    • pplama

      3 years ago

      They only owe US taxes on the signing bonus if they move to the states the calendar year they sign the deal. He started in the DSL. So,no. He paid DR taxes.

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  15. fljay73

    3 years ago

    Well I guess the Rays have a feeling a $100mil salary floor will be implemented in the new CBA so why not spend $20mil+ per locking up your young superstar SS to help get to that $100mil floor.

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  16. matthew767676

    3 years ago

    Would be great for the Rays and Franco. I like them taking the risk here.

    And for those saying to hold out for more money later, LOL. 200 mil guaranteed is way better risk/reward than 400 mil with significant risk.

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  17. Joe S

    3 years ago

    If it is 11 year at 23, okay but anything less seems too team friendly. However if I am 20 and I can get 200 million dollars in guaranteed money, I am signing. You never know what could happen.

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    • MikeSadek3333

      3 years ago

      Yep–it is team friendly–but remember this team is Tampa Bay–not known for their largesse in paying out salaries!!–223 million over 11/12 years is life altering money–and i still think if he is healthy at 32 when contract is up, and he wants, not needs to keep playing, he can still make some good dollars in salary–if nothing else than to pay his taxes each year!

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  18. bhambrave

    3 years ago

    Five of the ten years would have been his his pre-FA years. What could he expect to make in those years? $65M? $75M?

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    • JohhnyBets67

      3 years ago

      If you say 70. Which puts him in line w Kris Bryant and no inflation. Arb 4 times.

      Franco would’ve been a FA at 26. Guys who hit the market at that age get another 300 million on top of what they’ve already made. We’ve heard he’s special and he sure looks like it.

      This is a great gamble by TB. You can’t give a guy w/ a half season anymore money. If Franco is all that—he gave away a ton of money. But he guaranteed himself a fortune here. Makes the Acuna deal look as horrible as it always was for the player….head scratching really. Not as terrible as the one Albies signed but horribly team friendly nonetheless.

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      • brickhaus

        3 years ago

        Arb 3 times. He was held down long enough to avoid Super 2.

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  19. ctguy

    3 years ago

    I hope it’s a 12 year contract. It should be interesting to see how that plays out.

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  20. hoof hearted

    3 years ago

    so if they paid him thru the team control years and then 3 years of arbitration(10M, 15, 20M)
    -he’d be paid somewhere around $46-47 before his free years
    -leaving $154(IF its a $200 deal) over 4 years OR
    $38M +/- per year in years 7-10.

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    • pplama

      3 years ago

      ?
      It’s a 12 year contract.

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  21. Bright Side

    3 years ago

    $19.42mil AAV??? That’s insulting.

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    • Steve Adams

      3 years ago

      Taking an entire pre-arb extension like this at its face AAV is always going to be misleading.

      Franco would earn under $1MM in each of the next three seasons and something like $50-60MM in total over the next six seasons under the current arbitration system.

      None of the team, Franco’s agents, or the MLBPA would consider this a pure $19MM AAV because of the manner in which pre-arb/arbitration years skew the number. The AAV of the free-agent years is more notable, although even that mark will obviously be lighter to reflect the fact that he’s six years from free agency.

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      • hoof hearted

        3 years ago

        Only 3 years of arbitration, not 6. He wouldn’t be a Super 2 getting a 4th.
        3 year team salary control, 3 years of arbitration.
        So he wouldn’t be getting 50-60m in those 3 year of arbitration. More like 45m

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        • Steve Adams

          3 years ago

          My point was he’d earn a total of about $50-60MM over the next six seasons, in a best-case scenario. If you project him to reach eight figures in Arb1 — which is aggressive but has happened for several top young players in recent years — and go something like 10/17/25 through his three Arb seasons, he’d fall in the 50-60 range.

          General point being — there’s no reason to consider the face-level AAV because there’s no scenario where he’d simply be handed full market value when he’s A) Six years from free agency and B) set to earn a fraction of market value for the next six years.

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        • brickhaus

          3 years ago

          Just to make it easy, let’s bump that up to $60M he would have gotten during arbitration years. That still means he’s getting his non-arb seasons bought out at a $25M AAV, which can get bumped up another couple million on escalators. Not sure why so many people ignore the system that is in place.

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  22. angt222

    3 years ago

    The deal is probably backloaded and TB will trade him before he’s ever owed more than $12M a year.

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    • stretch123

      3 years ago

      Not if he’s a superstar.

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      • ctguy

        3 years ago

        Not if he isn’t a superstar either

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  23. bucketbrew35

    3 years ago

    Acuna’s agent screwed him so bad.

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    • LordD99

      3 years ago

      As is Franco’s agent now.

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    • Chipper Jones' illegitimate kid

      3 years ago

      They can just not sign if they don’t like the contract. The agent works for him, not the other way around.

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      • DarkSide830

        3 years ago

        a player’s representation can still do a bad job in advising them, even if said player is okay with not squeezing every penny out of their team.

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      • getrealgone2

        3 years ago

        Yeah these people act like the player is sitting there with a gun to their head to sign.

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    • Braveslifer

      3 years ago

      Seriously, why do you say that??? Acuna had to approve the deal before he signed it!

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      • pplama

        3 years ago

        Because he’s 20 and doesn’t have a degree in finance or economics.

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        • Chipper Jones' illegitimate kid

          3 years ago

          I guarantee bucketbrew35 doesn’t have one either.

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        • Braveslifer

          3 years ago

          …which is why he jumped at the deal. He will have his ten years for tenure and pension. I’m certain his grandkids will be fine

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        • bucketbrew35

          3 years ago

          I’m actually working towards one.

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      • getrealgone2

        3 years ago

        Braveslifer, because people always have to complain about something.

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  24. Never Remember

    3 years ago

    His agents should be fired but they at least guaranteed their fee. Shameful representation.

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    • Braveslifer

      3 years ago

      I’m quite certain he was not forced to sign. If he’s happy with the deal, that’s all that matters.

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      • RobM

        3 years ago

        Under your reasoning, what happens when he’s unhappy after he realizes in a few years how badly he was screwed over?

        I’ll just add that it’s not surprising a Braves fan would have this view after what they did with Acuna and Albies. The Acuna deal was so bad that he took a deal that will pay him less in total through his arbitration years than if he just went through arbitration. His free agent years won’t even pay him HALF of what he’d get. As we saw from their recent financial statement, the Braves make a ton of revenue. Not the poor team they like to pretend to be. Hopefully when Acuna has the opportunity, he decides to leave the Braves after his age-30 season and takes his record-setting years to a team that will appreciate him. He’ll be quite angry by then.

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        • 48-team MLB

          3 years ago

          LOL at saying someone is getting “screwed” when they are offered eight figures at 20 years old before even proving that he is consistent from year to year. He hasn’t even proven it over one full season. Also, as far as Acuna goes…it takes more than one player to build a winning team. Sure, some team could have given Acuna a Trout-like contract but then his team would suck. Trout has experienced a grand total of three postseason games in his entire career. That’s because the rest of his team is not good enough. Acuna is with a much better franchise and already has a World Series ring. If he really wants more money then he could sell his ring (that Trout wishes he had) for millions.

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  25. Todd Kemmerer

    3 years ago

    So basic question is if he is a Allstars inf, what would the price be to buy out arbitration years or how much projected would it cost.

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  26. HalosHeavenJJ

    3 years ago

    Wow. Awesome for both sides. Huge life changing money for Franco, long term contract for the Rays.

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    • alwaysgo4two

      3 years ago

      I’m pretty sure that any life changing money has already arrived. He arrived at his first MLB game driving a Bentley. Unless you’d consider having multiple Bentleys more life changing.

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  27. Halo11Fan

    3 years ago

    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

    I can’t blame a player for playing it safe and taking 50 cents on the dollar.

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  28. pplama

    3 years ago

    An absolute bargain.

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  29. LordD99

    3 years ago

    12/185. A 15.4M AAV locking him out of his highest-earning years. He just cost himself about $400M. His agent, and Acuna’s, should be banned. The Rays just pounded a baseball bat up his butt.

    With or without backloading (it will be) a tremendous deal for the Rays, who will still trade Franco within a few years.

    The MLBPA really need to educate their youth stars. They not only hurt themselves, they hurt other players.

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    • JohhnyBets67

      3 years ago

      There’s a time value of money component here too.

      He got a lot more than Acuna did. He only has .5 a season of baseball in. It’s going to be extremely team friendly if he’s the guy we think he is. But this is one that I think most would take. It’s record setting by a wide margin.

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    • brickhaus

      3 years ago

      Are you willfully ignorant or just bad at math? For starters, it’s 11/185. Also, you need to discount the seasons when he would have been paid less than a million, and the seasons when he would be paid a fraction of market value. He’s guaranteed himself that he will be one of the highest paid players in baseball history though season 11. What he left on the table are the hypothetical amounts he would make at the end of a 27 YO FA contract, minus what he’s actually making, minus the likely still huge contract he would get as a 32 YO FA. Sure, it’s possible he’ll make high 8/low 9 figures less than he would have, but nothing even possibly approaching $400M. It’s also possible he’ll make high 8/low 9 figures more than he would have if he gets hurt or simply underperforms.

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    • alwaysgo4two

      3 years ago

      If you feel so bad for “poor” Wander, I’m sure a nice sympathy card would be in order.

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  30. bobtillman

    3 years ago

    Again, a LOT depends on the character of the player matters. What does Wander do now? Will he feel the contract is a challenge that he has to live up to? Or will he consistently go on the 10 IL with a hangnail? History, unfortunately, favors the latter. Playing baseball can be very boring if you’re out of contention, and you can hear the farts of the very few old folks in the stands. And those years will happen to the Rays; there just isn’t a sustainable brand there, and it happens to everybody.

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    • whyhayzee

      3 years ago

      I farted while I was reading your post.

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    • bucketbrew35

      3 years ago

      Considering he blew $235k on a Mercedes with a diamond embellished steering wheel before this contract, I hope he gets good people in place to manage his money. Otherwise his bank account will be looking like a washed up broke NBA player’s account in 15 years or less.

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  31. Braveslifer

    3 years ago

    I love this!! Team friendly deals. Great for baseball and fans alike.

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    • DarkSide830

      3 years ago

      you tell the league that…

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      • DarkSide830

        3 years ago

        *or rather union

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    • LordD99

      3 years ago

      Great for lining the pockets of billionaire owners.

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      • prov356

        3 years ago

        99 – Being wealthy is not a crime, it’s a blessing. If you found out an uncle you didn’t know left you a billion dollars, you would take it without hesitation.

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        • LordD99

          3 years ago

          @prov356, at no point did I say being wealthy is a crime.

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      • Braveslifer

        3 years ago

        Seems like you are jealous. Do you watch games on TV?

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        • LordD99

          3 years ago

          I watch games at the park and on TV. I subscribe and pay for MLB.tv and and pay for baseball content on a number of sites.

          Your point?

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    • RobM

      3 years ago

      Owner friendly deals. Great for owners.

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  32. pjmcnu

    3 years ago

    Man, he really loves Montreal!

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  33. mattmooney33

    3 years ago

    Wander Franco matching the Pittsburgh Pirates total payroll overall in the next 12 years nice

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  34. DarkSide830

    3 years ago

    I get that’s a lot of money to walk away from, but why let them take so many FA years?

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  35. baseballguy_128

    3 years ago

    That’s a lot of money

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  36. dawgpound95

    3 years ago

    For a player who hasn’t even played a full 162? That’s embarrassing

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    • DarkSide830

      3 years ago

      embarrassing that the Rays understand player value?

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  37. stretch123

    3 years ago

    For those of you saying this is a bad signing by Wander, he’s getting 185 MILLION dollars. He’s set for life whether he becomes a superstar or is an average everyday starter. Many good major league players sign one modest long term deal in their career if they’re lucky. Think about a guy like Chris Taylor. Super valuable player but will be lucky to sniff 100 million guaranteed on his next deal. My point is, this is life changing money and it will allow Wander to get another contract around the age of 32 if he becomes a star. For me, he’s smart for taking the money. It’s more risk for the Rays then it is for Wander.

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  38. Larry Bernandez 1324IM

    3 years ago

    Congrats to Franco and the Rays

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    • RobM

      3 years ago

      Congrats to the Rays.

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  39. yamsi1912

    3 years ago

    Good for Wander but sorta dumb on the part of the Rays.

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    • seamaholic 2

      3 years ago

      Not at all. That contract is instantly tradeable and if anything his value as an asset (which was already top five) is even higher. Brilliant move by them. Compare to what the Padres did for Tatis, Jr.

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      • marinersblue96

        3 years ago

        Tatis is a better player than Franco and deserves more $.

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        • DarkSide830

          3 years ago

          Tatis also has a much greater injury history.

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        • JohhnyBets67

          3 years ago

          Tatis had more service time and also (obviously) had more time to establish himself.

          Apples to Oranges.

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      • yamsi1912

        3 years ago

        Very small sample size. Baseball is hard, even harder to do consistently. If he doesn’t live up to the hype it’s a terrible move by the rays.

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    • RobM

      3 years ago

      Good for the Rays but sorta dumb on the part of Wander’s agent.

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  40. Vizionaire

    3 years ago

    great for the rays!

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  41. Joseph Gonzalez

    3 years ago

    Franco doing this for life long financial security is a no brainer ( he gets traded 100% though). The rays doing this after he played only 70 games ? At least wait till after his first full year is complete. Look at gleyber, got off to a great start but has stunk for the last 2 seasons now. What if Franco falls flat ?

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  42. TalkingBaseball

    3 years ago

    I could be wrong since I only know partially how the years that would have lead up to free agency would work and what his payout would be leading up to that. But 12/185 for a 20 year old dealing with arbitration seems like a good deal. At 32 and at the end of his contract he should be up for another 4-5 year strong contract at least.

    It’s a gamble for him for sure, but 185 million isn’t anything to complain about.

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    • Joseph Gonzalez

      3 years ago

      It’s only a good deal if he performs up to expectations. He’s super talented but let’s see what the future holds

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    • BLIN7Y

      3 years ago

      I think the Contract is too long. He should have structured some Opt-Outs if he went for this length of time. It’s a lot of money but no where close to what he could have made. If he’s as good as they say he would have made close to 100 MM by the end of his Arb years of course keeping injury in mind.

      He sold himself short. With only 5.5 years of control left he could have been in the 20 MM class by the end of his 3rd Arb year. Becoming a FA at 32 won’t be ideal. I see him kicking himself when he’s 28 and 29 I finds himself vastly underpaid compared to lesser talents.

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      • Joseph Gonzalez

        3 years ago

        If he ends up being a bust how would he make much more on the open market ? This is why he took the deal

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  43. norcalblue

    3 years ago

    Great deal for the Rays. This kid is golden.

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  44. Ham Lambert

    3 years ago

    Montreal should be very excited

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    • mlbnyyfan

      3 years ago

      They trade away Snell and others to keep Wander. Where did Tampa get all this free flowing money all of a sudden

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      • Joseph Gonzalez

        3 years ago

        From the yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers …

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  45. Diatribefan

    3 years ago

    Some of us Cleveland fans remember Wayne Garland’s 10-year contract

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  46. bobtillman

    3 years ago

    We shouldn’t forget the potential of the “2-state solution”; in this case, Tampa and Montreal. As I’ve said, the REAL genius of the plan isn’t attendance; after the initial jump in Canada, attendance will likely be just a bit above what it is now. It’s TV money, taking a one market product and presenting it to two markets, with Montreal being almost virgin territory (the media world is different now than it was for Les Expos). And again, Pierre isn’t NOT going to watch the first half of HIS team’s season just because they’re playing in another town.

    There’s no question the talent is there with Franco; no one doubts it. The money is there; with little difficulty. But having destroyed incentives for Wander to get better, will he get there?

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    • JohhnyBets67

      3 years ago

      Still some incentives in this deal to be the best. You’d have to understand Franco deeply to understand what motivates him. My bet is that the Rays do.

      Not everybody is Hector Olivera and takes the money to dog it. I don’t know if he’s one of those guys or not but there’s another 40 million bucks on this deal for him to perform at an elite level.

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    • RobM

      3 years ago

      Another question @Bobtillman, how will Franco react a few years down the line when he realizes his 16M average is less than half, and maybe eventually 1/3 what other top players will be making?

      BTW There’s no evidence young players’ production declines when they sign multi-year contracts. There is some evidence of the free-agent-year bump, but even at that, production only increases by a couple percentage points on average with none of that attributed to the player’s drive. Any decrease in production often is age related. Won’t be the case here. It would be shocking based on his age, skill and position if Franco doesn’t well out-deliver his annual average pay.

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    • brickhaus

      3 years ago

      So wanting to be good isn’t an incentive? Hall of fame isn’t an incentive? Anyone who works as hard as he doesn’t needs to be somewhat self-motivated. Not to mention there’s still a big financial incentive both through escalator clauses and maximizing value of the next contract.

      I can’t speak for anyone else, but I work my ass off to be the best at what I do because I want to be the best at what I do. Once my debt was paid and I had long term security, money ceased being the primary motivator (though it’s a very nice secondary motivator). And I don’t even have things like all-star games or the hall of fame where I might be recognized by a broader audience at being one of the best at what I do.

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  47. prov356

    3 years ago

    Good for him. He’s set for life. Every one of you guys would take this deal if it was offered to you at age 20. This was a wise decision. Anything can happen that could ruin his FA earning potential.

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  48. Astros2017&22Champs

    3 years ago

    Its a strange decision by wander and his agents to agree to this before the next cba! What if 7 years of control drops to 5? What if arbitration is immediate? Theres so much unknown and too many variables that might be negotiated to do this right now imo. Any else have thoughts on this?

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    • cwsOverhaul

      3 years ago

      Agreed, the timing is off. Agent should have advised Franco to wait just a little longer until the CBA terms are settled. Don’t know what you don’t know. If Rays mgmt were hard lined about not talking extension after , then that would raise alarm bells to any astute agent/businessperson.

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  49. padam

    3 years ago

    Someone in Padre ownership must be asking themselves a bunch of questions.

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    • baseballpun

      3 years ago

      I don’t know what Wander’s situation is, but Tatis certainly had plenty of family money already.

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    • RobM

      3 years ago

      Why? Because they signed a bargain deal also with Tatis, whose AAV is only $24 million? Factor in the length of the contract, inflation and increase in revenues, and that AAV in the latter years might be the equivalent of paying maybe $15 million to Tatis. The Padres got a great deal. The Rays, on the other hand, took advantage of Franco similar to the Braves with Acuna. Are we now at the point in the game when fans are cheering on rich, white, Ivy League-educated types for how much they can take advantage of players from Latin America by undercutting their earnings?

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      • padam

        3 years ago

        You realize Tatis got ~$150M more for 2 extra years vs Franco’s contract, and drops to ~$100M if he meets the triggers. 2@$50-75M per. That’s your diff.

        Not sure where you’re going with the white Ivy League comment, but let’s be real about one thing…neither of the players had to sign.

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  50. zappaforprez

    3 years ago

    Lunacy.

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  51. detroitdave84

    3 years ago

    Leaving on the table? Mmm if he gets injured at any point before he becomes arbitration eligible or near free agency, he does get such a huge contract. I think locking him up is incredibly smart. They are saving over 100 million and he is getting life altering money. Good for him! I hope the Tigers start locking up their young players when it’s time !

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    • 48-team MLB

      3 years ago

      Acuña will be seeing your Tigers in the World Series around 2025. First we will have a matchup with the White Sox though.

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  52. ham77

    3 years ago

    This makes the Acuña contract look even more absurd. I hope he fired that agent.

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    • 48-team MLB

      3 years ago

      Acuña signed an eight-figure contract in his early twenties and he has a World Series ring. Pipe down.

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      • RobM

        3 years ago

        White people taking advantage of brown people.

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        • CKinSTL

          3 years ago

          RobM – these are tough decisions for players to make but they have to weigh the potential risks/rewards of various options they have in front of them. You seem to suggest that Acuna, and other players of color, are somehow naive and incapable of performing that type of analysis. Acuna ultimately signed a deal that can ensure the financial security of himself and his family for generations. He’ll also get paid quicker and still become a free agent at a reasonable age. He took a conservative approach but still has a lot of future earning potential.

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  53. snoopy369

    3 years ago

    I wonder if this predicts a salary floor in the eventual CBA. If Tampa realizes it’s going to *have* to spend money, this is certainly the best use of it…

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    • RobM

      3 years ago

      I don’t believe this indicates anything about a floor. The players have already rejected that and the way this deal is structured is beneficial to the Rays regardless.

      The AAV on the deal is only about $16 million, but the Rays will never pay that as deals like this are back loaded. Every similar contract they’ve signed has led to the player being traded as he becomes expensive, with the exception of Kevin Kiermaier, whose contract became untradeable as his production went in the wrong direction.

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  54. Franco27

    3 years ago

    Rays trade him within 3 years for a load of prospects.

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  55. 48-team MLB

    3 years ago

    He won’t stay in Tampa for long. The team will either trade him after three to five years or relocate…or possibly both.

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    • RobM

      3 years ago

      They might be “relocating” within season, moving between Tampa and Montreal every year.

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      • 48-team MLB

        3 years ago

        Terrible idea. I would rather put a team in Alaska or Yukon than split home games between two cities. It’s THAT absurd.

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        • RobM

          3 years ago

          I can’t imagine the MLBPA agreeing to that type of situation for its players.

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  56. RobM

    3 years ago

    He’s a generational talent who just got generational money. At the same time, he’s a 20-year-old from the DR, similar to Acuna being a 20-year-old from Venezuela, and both got taken advantage of by a bunch of Ivy League and Harvard types. There can be two truths. He just got paid and he just got taken advantage of.

    There’s almost no risk here for the Rays because Franco’s talent is so high that he’ll be worth the AAV even is he’s only a 2 win player. He’s going to be a 5-9 win player. Spectacular deal for the Rays. Franco in time will realize what they did to him at a very young age.

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    • Joseph Gonzalez

      3 years ago

      Players just as talented have been mega busts throughout history

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      • RobM

        3 years ago

        So, Joseph, you’re betting against him?

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        • Joseph Gonzalez

          3 years ago

          I’m not betting anything as this game is beyond unpredictable and prospects and whatnot are a crapshoot. They could have at least waited one more year to decide to do this. I wanted the Yankees to do this type of deal for Sanchez and Torres but thank god that didn’t happen after what’s happened to them the past few seasons. Thankfully judge worked out. Franco has only played what 70 games ?

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        • zappaforprez

          3 years ago

          Agree 100%.

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    • tcav1222

      3 years ago

      I don’t think you’re getting taken advantage of when you just got around $200M and will only be 31 when that deal is up… could get another big contract come time again, we’re talking about 11 years from now too. owners and franchises will be giving out way bigger contracts to players in another 11years.

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    • zappaforprez

      3 years ago

      Can’t accurately say he’s a generational talent when he wasn’t even in the top 100 for WAR in 2021 (71st in the AL). He could be a flop (or league average) from here on out. Happens every single season to the hype train.

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      • Astros2017&22Champs

        3 years ago

        What does talent have to do with production for a rookie? Talent is talent. War is for current production. 2 vastly different things bro

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        • zappaforprez

          3 years ago

          What? WAR has a lot to do with it. Kid hit .288 with league average power across the board and you’re all acting like he’s done…anything worth superstar projections. He hasn’t. So yeah, my first comment stands. He could still be a flop, just like hundreds of “can’t miss” players before him. Know your history.

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        • Astros2017&22Champs

          3 years ago

          Know my history? Clever girl! He was a 20 year old rookie who lived up to his #1 prospect billing. #1 prospect for pretty much every major league evaluator there is for 2-3 years. He plays the 2nd hardest position in sports and set an on base streak over 40 games. Can he disappoint or bust even? Sure he can. But judging his voodoo stat-war, on a 20 year old is not sound logic. I trust the rays over a guy who has forprez as his name

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        • Astros2017&22Champs

          3 years ago

          Lets compare his first 70 games at 20 to every other supposed generational talent and this kid stacks up. I cant predict the future nor can you. But this kid has best player in the game type of talent and it’s obvious the rays agree

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        • LordD99

          3 years ago

          Zappa, the kid was the #1 prospect in the game for several years, and at age 20, had a 3.5 WAR season in only 70 games. He was getting stronger as the season progressed. That’s $28M in value his first partial season.

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        • alwaysgo4two

          3 years ago

          If you’ve watched him as much as I have throughout his MIB and his short stint in MLB…..he has uncanny natural instincts both in the field and in the box. He became the Rays best hitter within 2 months.

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      • yandymania

        3 years ago

        LMAO. WAR is not a rate stat. He played 70 games. 2.5fwar over 70 becomes 5.7 over 162. That’s 12th in baseball

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        • zappaforprez

          3 years ago

          He wasn’t top at his position in any stat, even in that dinky sample size. This is where you say “he’s only a rookie it’s all about the future”. Nice try at mockery, but you didn’t actually SAY anything.

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        • Astros2017&22Champs

          3 years ago

          Zappa is clearly on drugs. Assuming a rookie at 20 is at his apex on production is beyond asinine. The pressure on this kid was extravagant and he absolutely delivered. Zappa, you did say something. You have said that you know absolutely nothing about baseball. I wouldnt trust you placing in a 3rd grade spelling bee. Let alone baseball talent

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    • Mario93

      3 years ago

      Yeah..Latin players, many of them come from poverty. They sign these contracts to secure themselves and their families. I don’t blame them one bit. And it’s still boatload of money. Much easier to sign Latin players then the Americans..

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      • RobM

        3 years ago

        So you’d be fine with a 10/10 too? I mean, $10 million total guaranteed is life changing for a young man barely out of his teens coming from his background.

        To be clear, I don’t blame the Rays for signing a very savvy, smart, significantly under-market deal. They used their advantage and privilege.

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  57. redmatt

    3 years ago

    I’m not sure why I’d want to commit to that length…and those terms…

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    • 48-team MLB

      3 years ago

      Simple. He’s a valuable trade asset now or he’s a face of the franchise for a new fan base when they relocate.

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    • JoeBrady

      3 years ago

      That’s because, in my personal experience, the first $200M is always more important than the 2nd $200M.

      If you think about it, he won’t even be rich for the first 4 years had he gone the traditional route.

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    • OilCanLloyd

      3 years ago

      Agreed. Why the rush. In the off chance he doesn’t pan out, or become elite,that cripples the Rays for over a decade.
      I don’t necessarily disagree with the deal, but not for the Rays.

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  58. Rumors2godsears

    3 years ago

    Surprised no opt outs for Wander. Very team friendly deal. In 11 years that 25 million team option will be a steal.

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    • 48-team MLB

      3 years ago

      He’ll be traded to the San Antonio Scorpions by the end of the deal.

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  59. Thomas E Snyder

    3 years ago

    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

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  60. fathead0507

    3 years ago

    Poor guy having to play in that stadium in front of no fans for 11yrs …

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    • 48-team MLB

      3 years ago

      They won’t be in Tampa for that long.

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      • alwaysgo4two

        3 years ago

        Baseball’s not leaving one of the fastest growing metro areas in the country. The Montreal 2 city BS is the ultimate bait and switch.

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        • 48-team MLB

          3 years ago

          They’ll be leaving but it won’t be for Montreal. It will be somewhere else in the Southeast. Pick any of these five cities…

          Charlotte
          Raleigh
          Nashville
          Memphis
          New Orleans

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    • Old York

      3 years ago

      They will be moved to Tokyo in a few years.

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  61. LaFlamaBlanca

    3 years ago

    Ouch should’ve hired Scott Boras. Franco easily left over 200+ million on the table. Rays got a complete steal of a deal because they can actually flip him and alot of clubs would take that deal if he is performing. He’s getting qualifying offer money for what will eventually be top 10 production.

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    • canajay12

      3 years ago

      How on earth did he leave $200MM on the table? Some money maybe but not $200MM

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    • masisk33

      3 years ago

      Or he could decline every year from here on out…I doubt he will ever be a top-10 player.

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  62. masisk33

    3 years ago

    Jeezus, if the Rays can give a 20-yr old $182 million, and swallow that huge “uncertainty” pill…then what is the Twins excuse with Byron Buxton?? They won’t even go to $100 mil with Buxton. And he is THE BEST outfielder in baseball, with ridiculous power numbers at the plate. A generational talent.

    Franco has never played more than 114 games in a single season. He could get hurt. His production could get worse as the league figures him out. Not so with Buxton. He’s gotten better every year at the plate. Just what in the hell are Twins fans supposed to think??
    How could the Twins pay Donaldson $20 mil per year? But won’t give the Buxton more than $11 mil per.

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    • rocky7

      3 years ago

      Buxton’s games played since 2018; 28, 87, 39, 61……..that’s why!
      That “generational talent” can’t stay on the field!

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    • Joseph Gonzalez

      3 years ago

      Best outfielder in baseball ? Rofl. Buxton is better than trout ? And judge ? And Soto ? And Harper ? And .. I can go on

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    • Astros2017&22Champs

      3 years ago

      Buxton has a massive injury history. But you are right. Hes an amazing talent

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    • tcav1222

      3 years ago

      Best OF in baseball lmao give me what ever you’re smoking dude

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  63. 48-team MLB

    3 years ago

    One team will be added to each division…

    AL East: Nashville Bandits (“Stars” is not creative enough)

    AL Central: Indianapolis Arrows
    (was almost a team in the ‘80s)

    AL West: Portland Thunderbirds

    NL East: Charlotte Knights

    NL Central: San Antonio Scorpions

    NL West: Las Vegas Vipers

    The Montreal Expos will only return as an NBA franchise. The Rays will relocate to Mexico City.

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  64. Camden453

    3 years ago

    I’m weary of the players who don’t go the Harper/Correa route and wait

    It means

    a) they feel like maybe they’ll get injured
    b) they’re not really sure they can hit

    The players who wait know it’ll be no problem

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    • Dustyslambchops23

      3 years ago

      Can you confirm Harper and Correa we’re both offered close to 200 million bucks at age 21?

      No of course not, you can’t confirm it and without that confirmation your comment (as per usual) is trash opinion pretending to be fact.

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      • LebronHatesAsians

        3 years ago

        Lol right? With one swipe of the pen he just took care of generations upon generations of his family as a 20 year old kid.

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  65. YourDreamGM

    3 years ago

    Excellent deal for Wander. Other teams would have paid more but he choose to sign with the rays and this is a good haul from a smart ran team.

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  66. phillyballers

    3 years ago

    Sponsored by North Face

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  67. Poster formerly known as . . .

    3 years ago

    This is a 20-year-old with a sixth-grade education who’s signing a contract that reportedly guarantees him $182M, not counting a $3M trade assignment bonus, and people are talking about all the money he left on the table.

    In the immortal words of Ebenezer Scrooge: “I’ll retire to Bedlam.”

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  68. mickjag

    3 years ago

    Really a huge win for the team and player. And if he becomes “too expensive” for the team in the latter part of the contract, he will have insane trade value. If the current Luxury Tax rules continue to apply, his AAV for Luxury Tax purposes will be lower than his annual salary for the last 5-6 years. The bidding war for his age 27-32 years at <$20M Luxury Tax hit would be very interesting.
    * Assuming good health and productivity.
    ** Assuming Luxury Tax still a thing.

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  69. Buccrazy

    3 years ago

    probably getting screwed in the long run but of course he is going to take the money

    he probably lived in a house with no doors and no running water his whole life

    kinda glad to see it happen actually, hate small market excuses, i know them all too well

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  70. Rsox

    3 years ago

    Good deal for the Rays. Be nice for the team to have a player longer than five or six seasons before he gets traded for being too expensive

    Reply
    • LordD99

      3 years ago

      I still see him traded in no more than five years.

      Reply
  71. 48-team MLB

    3 years ago

    To those whining about how Acuna “got screwed” by being offered “only” $100 million when he had only one year of Major League experience clearly do not follow baseball. Acuna has been to multiple postseasons and already has a World Series ring (even though he was injured). The Angels have played in only one postseason series with Trout AND Pujols (2014 ALDS) and were swept by the Royals. The Phillies haven’t sniffed the postseason with Harper….or with anyone over the last 10 years. The Marlins went absolutely nowhere with Stanton before having to trade him. The Mariners were completely irrelevant after signing Cano to that ridiculous contract. The Rangers never won anything with A-Rod before trading him. I’m sure Acuna would rather have his World Series ring and a consistently competitive team than a few million dollars added to his already eight-figure contract while being stuck on a non-competitive team.

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  72. bravesfan

    3 years ago

    This is just silly on both sides. Why sign a kid with this little experience to this deal and why sign this deal with the star potential that he has. I mean, this is life changing money, but lord…. He could sign a contract that’s worth 3 times that much after all that dough he’ll make during arbitration. Good for him for taking the money and being happy to secure his future, but if I’m him I bank on myself a little. And for the rays, I don’t understand this deal for them… financially conservative this is riskier than you typically see out of them. Yes, could be a steal of a deal, but there is a ton of risk in it.

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    • 48-team MLB

      3 years ago

      It’s likely back-loaded and they’ll probably trade him for a bunch of prospects once it becomes too expensive for them. If they end up winning a World Series with him then it’s worth it but that remains to be seen.

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  73. 48-team MLB

    3 years ago

    People saying that he left $200 million on the table are looking at what only proven top players are getting for a 10-plus year deal once they hit free agency. He won’t hit free agency until he’s played six years…and with this deal he will make far more during those first six years than he would have made otherwise. Then it’s basically just a five-year contract thrown on top of that without even being a proven Major League player…but keep claiming that he’s “getting screwed.” He could pull a Joel Zumaya and injure himself playing Guitar Hero tomorrow. Take the guaranteed money and then deal with the next contract when you cross that bridge.

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  74. Tom the ray fan

    3 years ago

    This is one of the best days of my entire life. FINALLY someone to be the new icon next to Longo. Longoria put us on the map and franco will bring us a ring. BTW he’ll be a free agent age 32-33. As long as he stays healthy I guarantee he will make over 400mill in his career. VIVA LA FRANCO!!! RAYS UP

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  75. Golfsucks

    3 years ago

    Starting Shortstop for the 2025 Montreal Expos WANDER FRANCO!!!!

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    • Old York

      3 years ago

      No, he’ll be traded before then.

      Reply
    • 48-team MLB

      3 years ago

      Incorrect. It will be one of these…

      Charlotte Knights
      Raleigh Reapers
      Nashville Bandits (“Stars” is not creative)
      Memphis Hound Dogs (was almost an NFL franchise)
      New Orleans Gators

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  76. Deleted_User

    3 years ago

    Hmm. Just over half of what Tatis got. And despite the Rays “disrespecting” Franco or whatever by manipulating his service time.

    Guess players really don’t hold that against teams when it comes time to talk contract.

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  77. weaselpuppy

    3 years ago

    He would be under team control for 6 more seasons under the current CBA ( which is a good point, as it’s likely to change a bit) and would make say $35-40M in thosse 6 years if all went well.. Let’s say $40M for 6 years then.

    So in essence, if the option is picked up, he gets his 6 control years bought out at market rate, and has a 6 year $182m extension, so 30M AAV.

    All guaranteed against illness, death, injury, suckitude…everything.

    That’s a win. Tampa’s side is a win also, especially if you consider that not too many years into this contract, they have a very good chance of a new stadium and greatly increased revenues. That’s a win.

    Makes Acuna look pretty bad though, but his is only 8 years. I would think that they will renegotiate/extend that deal like Sally Perez’s utterly terrible deal and Trout’s deal were

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  78. lumber and lighting

    3 years ago

    Franco’s deal just made Acunas deal look like the best contract in baseball.What’s that worth combined with the talent in trade offers?

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  79. fljay73

    3 years ago

    I dont see them trading him for at least 5 or 6 seasons (at the minimum) but if he is tearing it up the team could keep him a few more seasons longer (all depends on the offers for him & how the team is overall). Anything is for sale at the right price is a motto we all can agree on.

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  80. traveling man

    3 years ago

    For a Franchise that rarely does foolish things,this is ASININE!

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  81. DodgerOK

    3 years ago

    No no-trade clause. He will be traded before long.

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  82. lumber and lighting

    3 years ago

    Is this collusion,Did TB ownership just take advantage of this kid having a strong idea what’s going to happen on the next agreement?Kinda fishy the cheapest team throws around bucks when half the teams in the league DONT own a contract of that amount.Weird rt?Why couldn’t the kid sign at spring training?IDK just saying

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  83. lumber and lighting

    3 years ago

    Don’t get me wrong,if it was me.Give me the pen!1 hand it’s the greatest contract ever given with that amount of mlb exp.On the other hand are they sliding this contract now because they know where certain aspects that ownership is willing to concede in contract talks.

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  84. Bruin1012

    3 years ago

    The Rays are very well run sharp org this should tell you what this teams brass think about this guy. They have had other good players but never pushed there chips in before. They believe this guy is special and they put there money where there mouth is.

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  85. justacubsfan

    3 years ago

    Over or under 4.5 seasons before they deal him?

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    • alwaysgo4two

      3 years ago

      Over

      Reply
  86. davidk1979

    3 years ago

    No Matz post someone asleep at the wheel

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  87. neurogame

    3 years ago

    Damn. Randy Arozarena, the 2020 ALCS MVP and 2021 ROY, is wondering what he needs to do to get paid.

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  88. hyraxwithaflamethrower

    3 years ago

    The way I see it, it’s his rookie deal plus a roughly 5/$125 extension. Seems a big risk for the Rays. What if he’s plagued by injuries like Buxton? If he lives up to his potential, those years could be a great discount, but if he busts (unlikely but still possible) or gets hurt, that contract will kill them for those last five years.

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  89. Nats ain't what they used to be

    3 years ago

    2M for 3 years of team control, 30M for 3 years of arb and 30M each for 5 years of FA assuming new CBA does not change basic rules. Set for life at pretty fair numbers based on today’s rules.

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    • LordD99

      3 years ago

      The Rays will take the three years of team control and will trade him sometime after year three.

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  90. 48-team MLB

    3 years ago

    The Devil Rays uniforms were way better. They should go back to those if they’re not going to relocate.

    Reply
  91. jorge78

    3 years ago

    Is there a guarantee he is going to share it with his family? Define “family.” I may be a long lost cousin. Yea, that’s the ticket!

    Reply
  92. SportsFan0000

    3 years ago

    The new CBA may have a “floor” or minimum that clubs must spend or be penalized cash and draft picks. Tampa may be forced to alter its business model and contractually lock up a core of players and also sign some low and midlevel free agents to be in compliance.

    The deal is most likely “back loaded” with higher salaries near the end.
    Absent a “no trade clause”, Franco could still be traded near the end of this deal when the big money (39M+) kicks in.

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  93. mrpadre19

    3 years ago

    All these people saying this is how teams should operate are probably the same ones who a year ago were criticizing the Padres cause Tatis hadn’t even played a full season yet.
    Yes they paid him more….but no matter how good Wander becomes I don’t see him hitting 40+ home runs a season or stealing 30 bags.
    Tatis can add some plate discipline…it’s harder to add his kind of power and speed.

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  94. Say What Dawg?

    3 years ago

    Always take the money when offered. While Franco should be great, top prospects do t always deliver. Cash in on the market value when it’s high.

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    • kodion

      3 years ago

      The best advice I’ve heard along those lines was: “Never turn down your first fortune.”
      And this was enough that Wander’s will be “old money” before he gets the last of it

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    3 years ago

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  96. LordD99

    3 years ago

    Is there a schedule of how he will be paid by year? That will inform us to when he will be traded.

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    • bobtillman

      3 years ago

      Ya. pretty interested in that. Is it front-loaded? Back-loaded? When does the big money kick in? As you said, that informs us on when it can be expected he’ll be a Dodger.

      Or a Pirate.

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      • LordD99

        3 years ago

        I mess the Rays have gone completely off script, it will be backloaded.

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        • LordD99

          3 years ago

          *Unless*. Darn autocorrect!

          Reply
  97. jorge78

    3 years ago

    The Rays are back baby!
    (Actually, they never left…..)

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  98. Brentquigley02

    3 years ago

    2026 not 2016

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  99. bigjonliljon

    3 years ago

    15MM in 2016??? Is that back pay? Lol

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  100. angt222

    3 years ago

    So he’ll be traded before 2027?

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  101. Renotribefan

    3 years ago

    Everyone talking about waiting vs. signing now has to also consider this…he plays for the Tampa Bay Rays. If he waits a year or two, his price tag would be like Tatis’ and the Rays simply aren’t going to pay that. They’ll ride him through at least the first year of arbitration and probably the second before they trade him to a team that will sign him long term. So, its really a binary decision… a guaranteed $200M now or wait 6 years before you can really cash in. Because it’s Tampa, there’s no in between like with Tatis. That’s also assuming the contract structure remains the same…nobody knows what the new CBA will bring.
    So even if he changes his mind, or slumps next year, or gets dinged up next year, the money is guaranteed. But if he didn’t sign and then slumps or gets hurt, the Rays wouldn’t jump into a more expensive long term deal. Then what happens? Does he press to try and score a bigger arbitration payday? Nah, he was smart to sign this.

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  102. em650r

    3 years ago

    What a steal
    I hope there’s a no trade after few years.

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    • JerryBird

      3 years ago

      em65or – Do the Rays even offer a no trade in a contract? I’d think it would be against their principles.

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    • tstats

      3 years ago

      They hope he won’t get 10-and-5 rights

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  103. JerryBird

    3 years ago

    I wish only the best for this kid. The only thing in the article I did not like; “was impressive enough to finish third in AL Rookie of the Year voting”. Since MLB now sets up all awards to THEIR choice of three, Franco could not possibly finish worse than third in the voting. One could say he finished last in the voting. When it comes to fixed voting, a statement like that should not have been mentioned and should be ignored.
    Good luck, Wander Franco. I hope tp see you for a long time.

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    • Sky14

      3 years ago

      Well considering Alek Menoah finish 8th (and last) in the AL ROY voting, most of what you said should be ignored.

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      • JerryBird

        3 years ago

        You should be ignored.

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  104. LordD99

    3 years ago

    Traded by 2016.

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  105. bobtillman

    3 years ago

    If nothing else, now the Rays can trade from their extensive Arb class: “Hey, we gotta pay Wander, ya know!”

    A Manny Margot/Ryan Yarborough (good CF with a decent bad, a #3/#4 starter) combo can probably yield a decent package.

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  106. johndietz

    3 years ago

    Contracts like this for young players are win win for everyone. Only teams lose when they hand out 300+ contracts for most of a players 30’s. And YES, the Ray’s will trade him at a time when his contract is considered cheap, and they get a truckload of talent in return. As a fan, I want my team in the playoffs as often as possible. THOSE teams don’t need to identify with players. Only losing teams need big names to keep fans in the stand. LIKE MY TEAM THE ANGELS. what’s better? Boasting about Trout, Ohtani, Rendon, Upton, Thor… or watching a Giants team, who I can’t name a single pitcher on their staff, win the NL west and lose in one of the best playoff series of 2021?

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  107. jorge78

    3 years ago

    Who says he is going to “share” with his family? Money changes people. I hope he is careful driving the inevitable “hot rod” in the Dominican Republic he is going to buy.
    They have some bad roads and drivers.

    May Angels watch over him…..

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  108. brucenewton

    3 years ago

    Old yanks will give him double that when he’s in his 30’s.

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  109. Logjammer D"Baggagecling

    3 years ago

    5mil just by signing on the dotted line. Barely 21. These kids get out of the draft get so much for a signing bonus before they can even drink. Just insane that. Just insane that 45 years ago Reggie Jackson signed a 5 year contract for less than 3 mil total. Now the normal 1 year deal is anywhere from 10-30 mil a year.

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  110. themailman

    3 years ago

    No surprise that there isn’t a no trade clause in the contract. Good for the kid to get that contract. Even at 32, if he even hits free agency , I’m sure he could still turn out over $150mil contract. I would give him about 10 percent chance he will be a ray in 11 years, he’ll probably in 5 years he might be in another uniform. I think Rays look at this as a team friendly deal(obviously if he kills it out there) and the haul they could get for him in a trade.

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    • David Barista

      3 years ago

      11years is not team friendly… it’s why he needs a no trade clause and why the Rays are likely to trade him…. These 10yr+ contracts are what is wrong with the sport

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