Throughout a disappointing season for the Blue Jays, the long-term future of stars Bo Bichette and Vladimir Guerrero Jr. has been a focal point. Rumors surrounding the pair of second-generation stars dominated headlines early in the summer as the Jays struggled, though they were somewhat quelled by GM Ross Atkins saying in early June that trading either Guerrero or Bichette “doesn’t make any sense” for the organization.
Even as their 2024 playoff hopes dwindled, the Jays only sold off impending free agents in advance of the trade deadline. Yusei Kikuchi, Danny Jansen, Yimi Garcia and Trevor Richards were all on the move. Bichette, Guerrero, Chris Bassitt, Kevin Gausman and others stayed put, with the clear indication being that the Blue Jays hope to retool this offseason and get back on track to contend in 2025.
Bichette and Guerrero are only controlled through the end of the 2025 season, which has brought continued speculation about the possibility of one or both players being moved this winter. Some of the Guerrero speculation has died down in the weeks since the trade deadline, though. USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reported after the deadline that the team still hoped to sign Guerrero long-term. Bassitt appeared on Chris Rose’s podcast and voiced his belief that even though Guerrero has not yet signed an extension, he indeed wants to be in Toronto long-term. Now, it appears Bichette’s teammates needn’t do any talking or speculating on his behalf. He’s publicly making it clear that he hopes to stay in Toronto alongside his longtime friend, Guerrero, and win a title as a Blue Jay.
“When I had time to think about what I want, basically, my ultimate goal really is to play with Vladdy (Guerrero Jr.) forever, to win a championship with him and to do that with this organization,” Bichette tells Sportsnet’s Shi Davidi. “I’m 100 percent committed to doing whatever it takes to accomplish those things. That’s where I’m at.”
As Davidi explores at length in a piece Jays fans, in particular, will want to read in its entirety, that sets the 2024-25 offseason as one of the most pivotal in franchise history with regard to player personnel decisions. There’s nothing that says the Jays can’t let Guerrero and/or Bichette reach free agency, test the market, and then re-sign both players anyhow — but it’s certainly an easier and more controlled process when they’re not competing with an open market and other potential bidders for the 26-year-old Bichette and 25-year-old Guerrero.
From a payroll perspective, the Jays should be able to make dual extensions for the pair of former All-Stars work. Jose Berrios and Yariel Rodriguez are the only players signed beyond the 2026 season. Berrios, Rodriguez, the aforementioned Gausman and George Springer are the only four Blue Jays on guaranteed contract beyond the 2025 campaign. Toronto opened the 2024 season with a roughly $225MM payroll, currently sits at about $217MM after their deadline sell-off, and only has about $124.5MM in commitments for the ’25 season at the moment, per RosterResource.
That number notably does not include an arbitration raise for Guerrero — a figure that’ll likely shoot well beyond $25MM on the heels of his outstanding 2024 season. Arb raises for Jordan Romano, Erik Swanson, Genesis Cabrera, Daulton Varsho, Alejandro Kirk, Dillon Tate, Alek Manoah and Ernie Clement could all be in the offing as well, though some members of that class will be non-tendered or traded.
Even if the bulk of that class is retained, it’s reasonable to think that between arb raises and rounding out the roster with league-minimum players, the Blue Jays could still come in around $185-190MM in total commitments. New contracts for Guerrero and/or Bichette wouldn’t necessarily need to come with substantial raises until the 2026 season. That’d leave $35-40MM for the Blue Jays to still augment their existing roster even while simply adhering to last year’s payroll levels.
Of course, nothing says that the payroll can’t and won’t rise. The Jays are owned by a multi-billion dollar company — Rogers Communications — in theory giving them room to pursue just about any player they want (as we saw with last offseason’s earnest pursuit of Shohei Ohtani). There’s no firm indication yet that they plan to be aggressive bidders for top free agents like Juan Soto, Corbin Burnes, Alex Bregman or Willy Adames, but there’s also no reason to think they can’t swim in the deepest waters the free agent pool has to offer.
The question facing the Jays will be one of how much they want to tie up in long-term allocations. Extending either Guerrero or Bichette would presumably require signing said players well into the 2030s. So would signing Soto, while the remaining top names on the market could all sign through somewhere in the 2030-32 range if their markets come together as hoped. Long-term deals for homegrown talents like Bichette and Guerrero will only maintain the status quo; it’s clear there are further reinforcements needed, so Atkins and president Mark Shapiro — assuming both stay in place after this year’s disappointing campaign — will need to balance potential extensions with the need to further fortify a roster that fell woefully shy of expectations in 2024.
Obvious as it seems, it also bears emphasizing that Bichette’s pledge only carries so much weight. He doesn’t have any no-trade protection under the three-year, $33.6MM contract he signed to buy out his three arbitration seasons. He has no direct say over whether he’ll even be in Toronto next year, let alone for the next six, seven, eight, nine or ten years. At the same time, his assertion to Davidi plainly underscores that he’s not only open to but hopeful of signing a long-term deal to stay in Canada alongside his longtime teammate and friend.
Bichette speaks to Davidi about reflecting during his current injury absence, thinking back to his A-ball days with Guerrero when the two were fresh-faced 18-year-olds talking about winning as many championships as possible together. He adds that through reflection, he’s “learned a lot more about myself through failure,” referencing his 2024 struggles, both in terms of what he hopes to accomplish on the field and as a leader in the Blue Jays’ clubhouse. (Again, Jays fans are encouraged to read the interview in full, as it’s rife with candid quotes and earnest self-assessment from Bichette.)
The 2024 season has indeed been an ugly one for Bichette. Even before sustaining the calf injury that’s sidelined him for more than a month (his second calf strain of the season), he was stumbling through the worst season of his professional career. In 331 plate appearances, he hit just .222/.275/.320 with four home runs and five stolen bases. Bichette’s 19% strikeout rate is actually lower than his career 20.6% mark, but while he was still making frequent contact, the quality of his batted balls took a nosedive. Bichette has career-low marks in exit velocity, barrel rate and hard-hit rate this season. His line-drive rate is the third-lowest of his career. His ground-ball rate is the third-highest. He hit only six infield flies in 601 plate appearances in 2023 but popped up five times in this year’s 331 plate appearances. Bichette’s contact rate on pitches in the strike zone was a career-best 91.7% — but his contact rate on balls off the plate was a career-worst 57.5%.
Prior to his ’24 struggles, Bichette was one of the most consistently impressive hitters in the American League. From 2019-23, he slashed a combined .299/.340/.487, averaging 27 homers, 40 doubles, two triples and 16 steals per 162 games played. Bichette may not have had top-of-the-scale power, speed or contact skills, but every component of his offensive tool kit played out at an above-average level, and while he’s never been a plus shortstop he’s also only had one year with truly poor defensive grades (2022).
This year’s struggles will complicate any extension talks with Bichette, of course. With a typical season, he’d have been on track to be a free agent heading into his age-28 season — a middle infielder with plus offense at a younger-than-typical age for free agency. Talk of a $250MM+ or even $300MM contract could have been in play. Such lofty heights probably aren’t attainable on the heels of a career-worst year at the plate that’s now seen multiple calf injuries keep him on the bench for two to three months. Finding a middle ground could be difficult, though an extension that allows Bichette to increase his earning power — whether via opt-out opportunities or perhaps via a series of vesting options, a la Carlos Correa in Minnesota — could offer create alternatives to help bridge the gap.
For now, the goal will simply be to get back on the field in 2024. Bichette tells Davidi that getting back on the field, knowing the injury is behind him and feeling like himself again will all be a mental boost heading into the offseason. Sportsnet’s Arden Zwelling tweets that Bichette is slated to begin a rehab assignment with the Jays’ Triple-A affiliate tomorrow, which will likely last four to five games and include time at both shortstop and designated hitter. That could at least give Bichette two weeks to feel confident that his calf is back to full strength, but the bigger questions — for both him and the organization — are looming as the winter approaches.
SanDiegoTom
I don’t believe he’s really worth much in a trade. May as well swing for 25’ if I’m the jays. Hopefully he rebounds and if Toronto falls out it, flip him at the deadline
Franx
See it’s comments like this that’s just crazy to me. The guy was a monster for 4 years and this is his first bad year. While his trade value has lowered a little bit it’s still fairly high especially to a team like the Dodgers or the Mariners. He will easily net the Jays 1-2 Top10 prospects minimum plus in any of the better farm systems in the league. That being said the best case scenario is for the Jays to sign him and vladdy, while also picking up other free agents
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Bichette’s lack of plate discipline has stood between good and ‘monster’. I don’t watch that many Jays games but suspect pitchers have realized they don’t need to throw him as many strikes and fastballs. He’s a chaser from what I’ve seen and his low walk totals support that.
Something similar has happened to Nick Castellanos since joining the Phillies.
MysteryWhiteBoy13
Lack of plate discipline? Guy led the league in hits for 2 straight years
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He chases a lot of bad pitches. That’s why his walk totals are always low. He’s fallen off so much because pitchers know they don’t have to throw him strikes as often..His career ops is under .800. Hardly a monster.
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Good bat-to-ball skills isn’t the same as plate discipline.
proton
Maybe Seattle puts a package deal for both friends. They can live back in the US and a beautiful city. Maybe use either Young or Emerson. Then add Hancock take your pick one of a couple good OFers and I hate to say it but Ford too. Before the trade is finalized have agreements with both and Cal. Don’t lose Ford if you can’t extend Cal. Locklear could be added if needed but that is a ton of good players in the package. It won’t happen because we would never spend the money to sign those 2. I am afraid the same with Cal. He will probably be traded when Ford is ready and a ton cheaper.
KamKid
Proton, as a blue Jay fan, I want them to extend Vlad. But if they can’t and you are really putting Emerson, Ford, Hancock + out there, I wouldn’t cry if the Jays pulled the trigger.
Out of curiosity, there were all kinds of reports that Seattle pushed hard for Vlad at the deadline, but I’ve never seen any of the names that were on the table. Were there ever any local Seattle reports on what it was the Jays rebuffed?
proton
Kamkid I haven’t heard of any names from the team. It is thought that Young Ford Celestin are all off the table. Not sure if it is the truth. With the management team we have they usually don’t let stuff like this go out. I think many times is because it is a bad package or bad faith attempt. They make poor offer to say they tried with no chance it would go through.
YankeesBleacherCreature
@Franx His value is high for 15-20 teams willing to pay his ’25 salary. Bichette’s BABIP has plummeted which can be attributed to a lower hard hit % and exit velocity. His swing decisions (source: FG) haven’t changed much this year. He needs to rest his leg and tweak his mechanics a little to get back to his old self.
Fever Pitch Guy
Franx – Funny thing, before I logged in I saw that fool’s comment about Bo supposedly being a “chaser” and was all set with a response …. then I logged in and he disappeared because I must have already muted him under one of his previous handles. God I love the mute button!!!
If Bo’s .332 career OBP and 147 walks in 2,659 PA’s makes him a “chaser”, I suppose Rafaela’s career .280 OBP and 19 walks in 605 PA’s makes him a “lounger”?
I wouldn’t hesitate to trade Rafaela for Bo, even if it means paying 4 times the salary. Poster is just intentionally stirring crap up, nothing more.
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How is a career ops of .795 a ‘monster’?
MysteryWhiteBoy13
Sign Adames and Alonso, Vlad to third base, Horwitz to second base and trade Bo for catching, outfield and pitching depth in either prospects or younger players
Pete'sView
Vlad can’t play a credible thirdbase.
Dustyslambchops23
I don’t think this is true at all.
sacko
Trade both for a haul, that’s the way to go.
RunDMC
2024: -0.3 bWAR (69 OPS+) and he’d be moved from SS on just about any other team. He has 2 more years of control, which could be the silver lining, but you’re not getting a haul for that.
I see this going by way of COL-Trevor Story, where they wouldn’t trade him, didn’t extend him and he left without anything other than (I think) a comp pick. And now his next team is filled with regret.
Someone mentioned ATL trading for him being Arcia’s replacement, but AA swinging a deal with his replacement (Atkins) who would have to take a hit to his pride in giving up a supposed future building block (to AA nonetheless) ain’t happening…on top of ATL valuing SS defense too much.
Canuckleball
He’s only under control for one more year.
RunDMC
oof…even worse. I read BR wrong. Thanks for the clarification.
Dustyslambchops23
Perhaps GMs of other teams would look beyond just 1 season of data.
JoeBrady
They would, but they would also not ignore 2024. Some of the peripherals have been declining for a couple of years (EV, FB%).
MysteryWhiteBoy13
4 years of data that proves when he isn’t injured he is one of the best hitters in baseball and is only 26.
Pete'sView
Bichette to the Giants where he plays 2b.
inutero
that’d be a great fit. but knowing Farhan, he will pass on that and take somebody like arcia when the braves release him LOL
Old York
That makes for a tough trade package if Bo’s ultimate goal really is to play with Vladdy forever. Plus, what Vlad regresses and he gets DFA’d? Does Bo go play with him in the minors or Japan?
rememberthecoop
Have you looked at Vladdy’s numbers this year and in his career? I can’t imagine a scenario where he’d by DFA’d, so that’s nonsense.
Old York
@rememberthecoop
I’m joking about the fact that Bo is saying he his goal is to play with Vlad forever. Relax, I’m not suggesting he’s going to be DFA’d.
MysteryWhiteBoy13
I mean, you literally did just suggest it as a possibility
Old York
@MysteryWhiteBoy13
Anything is possible. You might even be elected president of the U.S., if enough people write your name in. But again, I was joking originally.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Clearly it was too subtle for you to understand he was joking.
CaseyAbell
The Blue Jays will just sit and wait on Bichette in 2025. If he flops again, maybe they’ll offer a short-term deal. If he comes back big, they might start talking real money.
tigerfan1968
Roger’s is a public company (I own shares) and does not throw money away. Bichette will not be offered anything crazy unless he has an outstanding 2025. He is no Bobby Witt Jr. , worth about as much as Zach Neto. Now Vlad is the face of the franchise and they will do as much as they can to sign him. Why Vlad would want to stay in Toronto is another question ?
Old York
@tigerfan1968
I’d only imagine he wants to say if they offer him big money. Plus, by the time he’s a FA, he’s 27 and in his prime years of production before he peaks. If he maintains his production, I could see him getting a decent length contract from some other team. Nothing like 10 or 12 years (unless it’s the Padres), but possibly 6-7.
MysteryWhiteBoy13
They spent over 220 million onthis current roster. Tell us again how they don’t throw money away
Dustyslambchops23
Even though it’s a high payroll their highest paid players, outside of Springer, are delivering and aren’t really on bad contracts
bucsfan0004
Bichette’s 26, he’s got the hair, lives in downtown Toronto….and has his father as a roommate. I’d be more than just frustrated at the plate if i were him haha
RunDMC
Thanks for this. The visual alone made me chuckle. Get this reality show on E! Working title: Bichetting Around.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Hilarious but also spot on.
CTS4
shapiro and carry-on will screw this up royally….So frustrating these 2 Cleveland Clowns…..
jimmertee
As @sacko says:, “Trade him for a haul”. If they have to wait for the deadline then do that. It is not that this bad year is a surprise.
As said when he was in the minors and over and over in these pages: “At the end of Bichette’s career looking over his entire career, he will be seen as a below average defensive shortstop with a good bat. He will have plenty of injuries due in part to his violent swing and playing at shortstop. He belongs at 2nd base”.
rhandome
Any insight on why he regressed so hard this year? Just one of those random baseball things?
jimmertee
I suspect severe family problems have taken their toll. He’ll need to overcome them and bounce back.
rememberthecoop
Why do you suspect “severe family problems”? That’s not normal speculation. Has there been something in the news that I’ve missed?
mlb fan
“News that I’ve missed”…I’m not really a stats guy and could be wrong, but doesn’t it seem like Bichette was hurt or hindered more this year than years past?
Didn’t he spend more IL time than usual this year?..I think he tried to play thru injury too much myself. If his price has indeed dropped, then I’d strongly encourage the M’s to go out and get this guy.
Edp007
Lots of controversy with Bo’s brother accusing Dante of years of abuse. Google is your friend
Canuckleball
Knee injury (patellar tendinitis) last August followed by multiple muscle injuries in the same leg this year. Seems as though the initial injury may have caused further problems that were either undiagnosed, or he played through them.
His poor year is almost certainly down to injuries. The concern is whether or not he can move past them.
MysteryWhiteBoy13
Injuries, pretty hard to be effective with a calf injury all year
KamKid
Rhandome, he would be one of those guys you really wish you had bat tracking data for going back a few years. The narrative has always been that one of the things that makes him special is bat speed and the eyes would certainly agree when you watch good Bichette of the past. But the swing speed data this year shows that he’s well below average. Some of the other batted ball trends going back to last season when his struggles began suggested he was having a hard time being on time. It also coincides with declining sprint speed and defensive lateral range over the past 2 seasons. There’s potential that it’s nagging injuries as he missed some time last year and this year so it’s hard to really say.
But the other thing is that while Bichette looks like a very consistent year over year contributor, his month over month performances are all over the place. In ‘22 he was not particularly good over the majority of the season. He had a sub .300 OBP well into August and then had a white hot 6 week stretch that was so good, it brought his whole season line up to look like an excellent season. Last year was the opposite. He started scorching hot in the spring and then faded around June. I think that’s kind of what you get with players that have as aggressive an approach as he does. The production can cluster into really high peaks and then disappear for a long while. This year, the injury meant there was no opportunity for him to have a torrid stretch to save his season.
Ultimately, whether the performance was because of the injury or not, it sort of shows you the volatility and risk associated with a player of his profile. He’s a hard player to project. Which is why I never thought the fairly conservative risk averse Blue Jays front office was very likely to sign him to an extension.
Dustyslambchops23
The Bo hate is so irrational.
Before this season he was a perennial 4-5 WAR player in his age 23-25 year old seasons. One bad, injuries riddled year doesn’t evaporate his value.
I don’t see an extension working out, jays can’t go in to next year with him on an expiring deal (same as Vlad). However a new GM needs the be the first focus, Atkins can’t be leading negotiations or potential trades, get a new GM in and go from there.
JoeBrady
Toronto needs to make some decisions. If they think Shatkins is not the answer, they cannot allow them to make any long-term decisions. People one year away from being fired often make poor long-term decisions for the sake of short-term results.
mlb fan
“Hate is irrational”…When you use an overly strong word like “hate” to describe a simple difference of opinion, it makes it seem you’re too emotionally invested to be unbiased.
A differing opinion is hardly “hate” and undermines your overall point. Otherwise, I totally agree that Bichette has been good for several years and and bad for one year.
Dustyslambchops23
I’ve never liked Bo as a player so your unwanted and unneeded analysis of me is wrong.
Sorry i carelessly used a word you didn’t like, your reaction to it seems for more emotional than anything I’ve said. I’ll try to be more careful moving forward mlb fan, it would help if you email me a list of acceptable words for future reference
mlb fan
“Acceptable words for future reference”..It’s pretty much like I thought then. Thanks for proving my point. And I’m guessing you don’t not knowb the true definition of “hate”, if you use it on a baseball website.
its_happening
How about disrespect? Because there’ve be some rather questionable things said about the man in previous threads relating to Bo and the Blue Jays. It is clear Bo has worked very hard to be the best player he can be. Teams would want 26 players with his kind of desire.
I don’t think Dusty is out of line here. What’s out of line has been the lack of appreciation for Bo Bichette. He’s never comes to camp out of shape, he played passable shortstop when he really isn’t suited for the position, kept improving as a hitter, and got hurt hustling last year. This situation is not good, as he’s a trade candidate despite the guy being what you want from a ballplayer.
Dustyslambchops23
Congrats on your promotion to MLBTR comment reviewer, whatever they are paying you isn’t enough
proton
Hurry call in the feelings cops. I hate it when people use the word hate. It should not be in the English language. I also hate coffee wine and cooked carrots. I don’t hate people that like those though. Cream of corn I also hate maybe despise. Is that a stronger word? I hate people that like cream corn. Mr YUCK agrees with me.
KamKid
I don’t think there’s a huge problem going into next year with Bo on an expiring contract. I don’t think he’s a good extension candidate and also don’t think his trade value makes it particularly worth trading him. Whatever difference in value there might be between this offseason and next deadline is probably worth the opportunity to see if things go well enough for the team next year with him on it.
Dustyslambchops23
If the jays are in a wild card spot around the deadline the decision to trade or not trade Bo could have massive impacts. They should avoid that situation at all costs.
I agree they may end up getting more but they also might not be in a position where they can trade him.
KamKid
If they are in a wildcard spot and Bo is a part of getting them there, wouldn’t that be better than having traded him for a Swanson and Macko type package? And then isn’t one last chance at postseason success then just worth keeping him at the deadline at that point? They can QO him and then take the comp pick which could easily turn out better for the organization than whatever you’d get this offseason. Yeah, there’s lots of potential for it to be like the Josh Donaldson scenario too (right down to the calf issue). It’s harder to see them entering the season with both of Bo and Vlad without Vlad extended. But I feel like the Vlad extension is possible.
For me, I don’t see either black and white scenario where they have to trade him or they can’t possibly trade him. They traded Teo ahead of his last year of control going into a season where they intended to contend to repurpose resources and “keep the asset alive” as they say. A Bo trade would be a very similar type of move. But they also kept Chapman for his last season of control going into a season where they intended to contend but their odds of doing so were sliding. Keeping Bo would be like keeping Chapman and taking the comp pick. I really wanted them to capitalize on a Bichette trade last offseason. Now he only has one year of control at a highish price tag that isn’t really valued that highly even for players who have come off of good healthy seasons. Trade him if the value is there sure. I hope they can trade him. I’m not convinced the return is going to be any kind of factor to their goals in the short or long term though at his current trade value.
Dustyslambchops23
I think that’s fair, I just don’t know if being a wild card team is worth turning him in to a QO pick, you will def get much more than that.
It’s a fair take and maybe a risk they need to take. Could make 2026+ much worse but it looks like we’re headed there anyways
David White
I think the rotation is adequate.
Gausman – #2
Bassitt – #2-#3
Berrios – #4
Rodriguez – #4
Francis – #4
They also have Ricky and Bloss as depth waiting in the wings at AAA.
Rodriguez has great potential if they can build him up to a full starter’s workload over the offseason.
The bullpen is really, really, really bad.
Ryan Burr and Brendon Little are the only pieces that are quality relievers in an MLB bullpen.
C – Kirk
1B – Vladdy
2B – Horwitz
SS – Bichette
3B – Clement
RF – Springer
CF – Varsho
LF – FA
C – FA
MI – Jimenez
MI/COF – Schneider
OF – Loperfido
So … sign Juan Soto, Danny Jansen, Shane Bieber, a handful of relievers.
NoSaint
@David White
Ricky [Tiedeman] won’t be waiting in the wings considering he had surgery and will probably miss all of ’25.
rememberthecoop
Oh sure, just sign Juan Soto. That’s easy – it only takes a 500M+ contract and he’s yours. People toss around thoughts like this as if it’s no problem.
Troy Percival's iPad
Coop, have you seen him hit? It’s not a problem unless you’re too cheap to give him $500 million
mlb fan
“Cheap to give him $500M”..No ones giving a DH-in-waiting $500M. Soto’s an awfully good hitter who hits in front of a HOF level hitter in Aaron Judge.
His OF defensive routes are among the worst in MLB and I don’t think a young DH will command $500M.
After all, only N.Y has Aaron Judge, a small park and an even smaller RF porch, all in the same place.
RussianFemboySportsFan!
judge is actually 2x worse defensively than soto is
its_happening
Would love to know the 90 starting pitchers better than Berrios to make him a #4.
tigerfan1968
he is a 1.5
Ducey
So Soto for $500 M, Vlad for $400 M and Bo for $250 M.
Seems so realistic. Why dont they trade for Ohatni, Judge and Garrett Cole why they are at it? George Springer Ryan Burr and Davis Schneider ought to get it done
Kenobiwan69
No more Schneider please, it’s to the point I feel sorry for him he’s struggling out there so badly.
sufferforsnakes
As long as Shapiro is running the show, the BJ’s will continue to fail.
its_happening
The first misstep was not moving Bo to second base after the 2020 season. Instead signed for one season of Semien (who was tremendous) while hurting at other positions left unaddressed (3B, pitching). As Bo’s bat continued to produce, it’s was tough to move him off short as he did improve at that position. But Bo could have been the best all around player at 2B and still got paid like one.
Also note Bo’s first 4 months in 2022 was so so. A monster two months to close the season made his numbers look outstanding. Something other organizations will examine.
It would be nice to lock him up if he’s willing to play second. Jays have too many 2B they will need to trade for a shortstop or 3B. Or both. Jays would need to deal Bo and others to fill spots. None should happen until a decision is made on Vlad Guerrero.
Tom Price
Bo ‘flash in the pan’ Bichette
Pete'sView
Hardly a “flash in the pan.”
RussianFemboySportsFan!
so one bad season is a “flash in the pan”?
Slider_withcheese
The looming expiration of the CBA after 26 might have a huge impact on how both teams and players view these so called long term goals.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
It’s a tough spot for the blue jays and the league- is it a bad year or sign of things to come? If they think it’s a bad year, which do happen, they could use that as leverage to sign him to something below market that’d be hard to turn down.
Something like 6 years/$165M w/ some opt outs built in, if they believe he can bounce back but injuries and up and down seasons will need to be baked into their projections.
If this is a sign of his future health and performance, he’d be lucky to get a pro rated $20M on a one year deal on the open market from a team hoping to get surplus value out of him and then hope he re-up’s for a palatable 2 years/$60M or something, then go from there.
Obviously he’d love to bounce back to like .300/33 HR/115 RBI w/ 5+ WAR, get himself 10 years/$400M.
Vlad Jr on the other hand seems like a shoe in for 9 years/$360M and could get Toronto or someone else to panic and hand him 12 years/$510M or something crazy like that.
Rww59
A comp for Vladdy is Devers who got 10-330.That’s the starting point
Dustyslambchops23
Devers plays 3B, albeit not well but still.
Goldy and freeman get paid 26-27 a year, Vlad should be in that range as a 1b
KamKid
But if you were getting Goldy and Freeman’s age 26-35 seasons, they would have gotten much higher AAVs.
Dustyslambchops23
More years for sure but not sure about more AAV
KamKid
More AAV for sure because you are getting a much higher percentage of prime aged seasons over the course of the contract where you are expecting peak performance. Goldschmidt was his age 32-36 seasons. Those aren’t nearly as valuable as his age 26-31 seasons would have been. If you added those prime aged seasons to the front of that, the AAV on all of it would have gone way up. Same as Freeman whose contract started at 32 and includes all the way to his age 37 season. Those guys were likely projected to age well, but still would have been worth more in their 20s.
Dustyslambchops23
Bo slugged more in 2023 than he did in 2022
NoSaint
L@Rww59
Kinda. Devers is a 3B (although his defense is REALLY bad) while Vlad is a 1B. That will account for a significant discrepancy in the comparison.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Why
fljay73
Interesting the Blue Jays haven’t extended either by now. I can understand with 1 core player but 2?
KamKid
They haven’t really done extensions. Berrios ahead of his final season of control and Grichuk to buy out his arb years and two free agent years. Otherwise they’ve only extended players like Chapman and Bichette to buyout multiple arb years but not get extra control.
iains 2
I’m a bit reminded of the Shawn Green and Carlos Delgado situation where Green was eventually traded to the Dodgers