A year and a half ago, MLBTR’s Anthony Franco examined potential trade partners for the Cubs as they reportedly shopped center fielder Cody Bellinger ahead of the 2023 trade deadline. Chicago, of course, played their way back into contention and opted to hold onto Bellinger through the remainder of the year before signing him to a three-year, $80MM deal last winter that afforded Bellinger the opportunity to opt out after either the 2024 or ’25 seasons. With rookies Pete Crow-Armstrong and Michael Busch having emerged as the club’s everyday options at center field and first base, however, Bellinger’s fit in Chicago has become much murkier headed into 2025.
That’s led them to once again explore a trade involving the outfielder, but the market for Bellinger’s services figures to be much softer this time around. Bellinger slashed an incredible .317/.367/.545 (144 wRC+) in 324 plate appearances prior to last year’s trade deadline while playing center field on a regular basis for the Cubs, making him the most attractive rental hitter on the market at that time. Flash forward to today, and Bellinger is coming off a much less robust offensive performance: while his strikeout (15.6%) and walk (7.9%) rates remained excellent in 2024, his power dipped substantially and he didn’t enjoy the same luck on balls in play he did the year prior, leaving him with a .266/.325/.426 slash line that was still above average (109 wRC+) but a far cry from the production that earned him down-ballot MVP consideration in his first year as a Cub.
That production, solid as it may be, is not in line with the $27.5MM salary Bellinger is poised to earn in 2025. What’s more, any acquiring club would be on the hook for a $25MM player option for 2026 (or a $5MM buyout should Bellinger test free agency) that only serves to increase the potential financial burden associated with trading for Bellinger. With that being said, the 29-year-old remains an above average hitter who is capable of playing solid defense at all three outfield spots and first base, making him a solid option for teams looking to raise the floor in their lineup. For teams looking for a solution in center, specifically, Bellinger may well prove to be the best option available in a market that is otherwise led by the light-hitting, glove-first Harrison Bader. Even among first baseman, Bellinger looks to be one of the better options available when compared to a free agent class that features aging veterans like Paul Goldschmidt, Carlos Santana, and Justin Turner among its best options.
Bellinger’s combination of a quality lefty bat that needn’t be part of a platoon and the ability to play both center field and first base make him a compelling trade target for a surprising number of teams. Of course, his hefty salary will immediately eliminate many clubs from consideration. The Twins, Guardians, Royals, Rays, Padres, and Rockies all seem like long shots to stomach an AAV north of $26MM this year. The White Sox and Marlins are in the midst of lengthy rebuilds and seem unlikely to spend that sort of money on a short-term player like Bellinger, as well. It would be a surprise to see the Cubs deal Bellinger to a division rival while attempting to contend for the postseason, which eliminates the Reds, Brewers, Pirates, and Cardinals from consideration.
Additionally, the Rangers are already loaded with talent both in the outfield and at first base, and the Mariners have signaled they don’t intend to add to their outfield this winter. Meanwhile, the Red Sox, Orioles, and Tigers could pursue help in at least one of Bellinger’s positions but appear more likely to pursue right-handed hitters who can better balance their heavily left-handed lineups. The Dodgers and Mets are decent enough surface level fits, but appear more likely to pursue a more offensively impactful corner bat given their internal options in center field. That still leaves ten teams as plausible fits for a Bellinger trade, though. Let’s take a look at each of them…
Best Fits:
- Astros: The Astros currently have bigger fish to fry as they attempt to retain franchise third baseman Alex Bregman. With Houston self-admittedly requiring some “creativity” to add salary, it seems likely that a Bregman reunion could leave the club without the funds necessary to deal for Bellinger. With that said, though, Bellinger’s ability to play all three outfield spots and first base should make him an attractive option for Houston that would allow them to play match-ups with Jon Singleton, Jake Meyers, and Chas McCormick by slotting Bellinger in at the position of whichever player is on the bench that day. What’s more, the Cubs’ need for bullpen help this winter and their hesitance to commit to long-term deals for relievers could make veteran reliever Ryan Pressly an attractive target for them in terms of a return while also clearing $14MM off the Astros’ books to facilitate other additions.
- Blue Jays: The Blue Jays are in the thick of the Juan Soto sweepstakes, and like the other Soto suitors on this list would likely only have interest in Bellinger should they fail to land the offseason’s top free agent. In the event Soto signs elsewhere, however, Toronto may be among the best fits for Bellinger out there. The club has previously expressed interest in Bellinger during both of his recent forays into free agency, and if the Jays fail to land Soto he could make plenty of sense for the club as an upgrade to their current options in left field who wouldn’t require the sort of long-term contract that could complicate the club’s pursuit of a long-term deal with Vladimir Guerrero Jr. Toronto outfielders posted a lackluster wRC+ of just 87 last year, meaning even Bellinger’s diminished 109 figure from this past season would be a substantial upgrade to say nothing of the impact he could have should his power production bounce back in 2025.
- Phillies: The Phillies haven’t been shy about their hopes of restructuring their offense this winter, and rumors have already begun to swirl regarding the availability of key members of their offense ranging from Alec Bohm to Nick Castellanos. One clear area where the Phils could stand to upgrade is in the outfield, where the club currently figures to utilize Castellanos, Johan Rojas, and Brandon Marsh on a regular basis. Philadelphia’s 92 wRC+ in the outfield last year was lackluster, however, and each of those aforementioned options posted a wRC+ lower than that of Bellinger last year. By adding Bellinger to the lineup as an everyday player who splits time between left and center field, the Phillies would be able to effectively platoon Marsh and Rojas while still playing both at their respective best positions, while a free agent corner bat such as Jurickson Profar or Tyler O’Neill would require Marsh to play center field on a regular basis.
- Yankees: The Yankees figure to focus their efforts this winter on reuniting with Soto, but if the club misses out him they’ll have holes to fill both in the outfield and at first base. Signing Bellinger could allow the Yankees to move Aaron Judge back to right field on a regular basis, where he profiles best defensively and where he’ll likely suffer less wear-and-tear throughout the season. While Soto’s departure is surely the most likely avenue to Bellinger in a Yankees uniform, their hole at first base and the possibility that Jasson Dominguez isn’t ready for an everyday job in the majors make the club at least a plausible fit for his services even if they bring Soto back, with Bellinger playing the outfield until Dominguez is ready to take over before shifting to first base. Such a scenario figures to be a long shot, however, given Dominguez’s stature within the organization as a long-time top prospect.
Next Tier Down:
- Angels: The Angels have been among the more aggressive teams so far this winter as they look to contend following a 99-loss season in 2024. They’ve already added Jorge Soler to the lineup as a regular DH and Travis d’Arnaud as depth behind Logan O’Hoppe at catcher, but the club reportedly remains interested in adding another bat to their lineup. Bellinger is as good a fit for the club’s roster as any outfielder. The team is light on lefty bats, with only Nolan Schanuel at first base and the switch-hitting Luis Rengifo at second projected to be in the club’s starting lineup next year. Bellinger would be a substantial upgrade over the Jo Adell/Mickey Moniak platoon the Halos currently project to use in right field, and could slide seamlessly over to center field to either give Mike Trout a break from the demanding position or cover for him in the event he suffers another injury-plagued season in 2025.
- Athletics: While the presence of the A’s on this list might strike some as surprising given how they’ve operated in recent years, there’s at least some merit in considering Bellinger’s fit in West Sacramento. All indications have pointed towards the A’s being open to a substantial increase to their payroll this winter and an earnest effort to improve their on-the-field product in the years leading up to their impending move to Las Vegas, but their current stadium situation could make courting free agents difficult due to the club playing in a minor league ballpark for the time being. That’s led GM David Forst to suggest the club is focused on the trade market rather than free agency as they look to upgrade the roster, and Bellinger could be quite a strong fit among trade candidates. He’s unlikely to be especially expensive in terms of trade capital, meaning that swinging a deal for him wouldn’t do much damage to the club’s long-term competitiveness, and the former MVP could offer a level of star power the club currently lacks. Meanwhile, he’d be a major upgrade on the field for a club that’s relying on Seth Brown and his 91 wRC+ last year in left field headed into 2025.
- Diamondbacks: The Diamondbacks figure to have plenty of room to add a player like Bellinger to their positional mix after losing Christian Walker and Joc Pederson to free agency this winter. While the club’s lineup leans left-handed, the loss of Pederson could make them more open to the addition of another lefty bat than other heavily-lefty clubs like the Red Sox and Orioles. The addition of Bellinger could also make it easier for the club to stomach the loss of one of their many young outfielders via trade, particularly as he shares an ability to play center with trade candidates Jake McCarthy and Alek Thomas. While Bellinger’s salary could be a problem for the Diamondbacks in theory, it’s much easier to imagine them stomaching his contract if they’re able to move the salary of southpaw Jordan Montgomery this winter, as the club is seemingly quite motivated to do after negative comments from club owner Ken Kendrick about the lefty’s disastrous 2024 season.
Longer Shots:
- Braves: It would be something of a surprise to see the Braves swing a trade for Bellinger despite the hole in their lineup in left field. The club has been aggressive in making moves to clear payroll room as they stare down the possibility of losing Max Fried from their rotation, and while it’s easy to imagine them dedicating those resources to a splash at shortstop for a player like Willy Adames, using that financial capital to acquire Bellinger would be a surprise given the availability of more affordable depth options in the outfield such as Austin Hays and Mike Tauchman who could join Jarred Kelenic in the mix for starts in left field without breaking the bank. With that being said, the Braves have shown a willingness to add significant salary on short-term arrangements with players like Marcell Ozuna and Josh Donaldson in the past, and it’s difficult to count out a GM as unpredictable as Alex Anthopoulos for most trade scenarios.
- Giants: The Giants have long been in search of star power for their lineup, and while Bellinger does not carry the same level of impact as he did during his MVP days with their arch-rival Dodgers, he would still add an everyday player with significant name recognition to a relatively non-descript San Francisco lineup. Aside from that surface level fit, however, the Giants lost Michael Conforto to free agency earlier this winter and fellow outfielder Mike Yastrzemski is viewed as a trade candidate. Adding Bellinger, then, could offer the club an alternative to Conforto and Yaz in the outfield to pair with Jung Hoo Lee and the club’s crop of young outfielders. With that being said, a fit with the Giants appears unlikely given the fact that the club is currently expected to scale back its payroll this year, a goal with which adding Bellinger’s hefty salary would be misaligned.
- Nationals: Given the Nationals’ many quality young outfielders, they aren’t necessarily the most straightforward landing spot for Bellinger. With that being said, however, the club has a massive hole at first base that Bellinger could slide into quite easily, providing a boost to a lineup that appears to be on the cusp of contention. Bellinger would also be able to take some pressure off of the club’s crop of young outfielders, offering an alternative to Jacob Young in center against tough right-handers and providing a back-up option in the corners should either James Wood or Dylan Crews struggle at some point in their first wire-to-wire big league campaigns.
Jonathan (NYSportsFan4Life)
Yankees. Take on all of his salary, move Stroman or Cortes more likely Cortes for him. He’s athletic and great defense, we don’t have much of that here.
Big whiffa
I like it ! I think cubs need his bat thou more than a mid rotation pitcher
YourDreamGM
Negative value contract. If they take on all his salary for some reason they can get him for free. Actually get a prospect in return.
KnicksFanCavsFan
Far from negative value. he had an OPS right around .800 with power and defensive versatility. he’s not a salary dump
Blackpink in the area
Stroman makes sense because Stroman has a bad contract like Bellinger. Cortes doesn’t because he actually has positive trade value.
padam
If the Cubs wanted Stroman, they’d have kept him. The way Cortes has pitched, I’d be surprised if he could bring back anything.
Blackpink in the area
They didn’t want to pay Stroman. The Cubs would do the trade because of the salary relief. Bellingers contract has negative trade value i am not sure if you understand that.
batteryoutlet
cubs arent in a bad spot with this contract. sure they would explore trades but if nothing makes sense they just keep him. its really not that complicated
Blackpink in the area
The contract has negative trade value. Thats clear as day that’s why he didn’t opt out of it.
It’s about using that money for other needs. Also it’s about the Cubs having other options in the outfield. Armstrong is a good player. He could be a 2 win player even with a 600 OPS. And Bellinger was a 2 win player in 2024. And they have prospects who are coming soon too like Alcantara and Cassie.
batteryoutlet
okay but he has a good season next year and then that all changes, right? i dont think its that black and white. PCA has shown flashes but for the most part could not hit middle middle fastballs the majority of his tenure in the bigs. its almost time for these prospects to be brought up but you simply cant rely on call ups to be day 1 starters. I am not advocating for him to be traded or for him to stay. but if all it means is a little budget relief for the big market Cubs who cares. I don’t trust Jed Hoyer to make the right decision with whatever options you put in front of him – trade or no trade.
Blackpink in the area
If Bellinger has a good season in 2025 he opts out and is a free agent.
Armstrong doesn’t have to hit to provide value. I watched enough of him to know what he is he’s a super high floor talent that with any offense whatsoever can outproduce what Bellinger produced in 2024.
Armstrong, Happy and Suzuki is a pretty solid starting outfield especially with Cassie and Alcantara knocking at the door. The Cubs could take Grisham back in the deal with the Yankees and he can be used as a 4th outfielder.
Most importantly the Cubs would use the savings on the bullpen which is where they need a massive upgrade. That’s the point to the trade to free up money to spend on the pen.
CFS77
I would go Bellinger and Hoerner for Stroman and Rafial Flores. Platoon Alàcantara and Caissie in RF with Suzuki DH.
bronyaur
Bellinger is paid as about a 4.0 WAR player. He is probably not that, but his salary is not an insane overpay. Maybe $5/yr too fat?
The Cubs don’t need him, and would be happy to eat $5 mill for some A level prospects.
Blackpink in the area
Bellinger was a 2 win player in 2024. And he has another player option in 2026.
AndyMcFail
The fact that we have to keep talking about “savings” and getting rid of contracts with negative trade value is the issue. Go improve middle relief and not worry if you can’t find a trade partner for what appears to be a useful player who is overpaid. One of about 5 on the team that is overpaid. Put the best team on the field and stop worrying about your potential tax hit. This in between crap is what is causing the problem. Pick a lane.
Pete'sView
Bellinger is no longer a “great” defender and only in special needs is a CF. His hard contact is minimal. Maybe the Angels see him as an upgrade and would pay the price the Cubs want, but I don’t see many other teams ready to take on Bellinger’s underwater contract.
towinagain
Screw the Padres *BUDGET* Talk.
Pure horse manure.
You want to lose a fan base talk budget.
Previous ownership groups of the Padres made the budget the number one priority and guess wbat…
The ballpark was empty for years!
Fans know when an ownership group is committed to its fans.
This is a big test for the current Padres ownership group coming off a 93 win season.
Go big or go home.
Blackpink in the area
The freaking owner died.
The Padres have went big the last couple years. The go home part is coming. Sooner than you think…….
towinagain
Well then, you will lose a fanbase and quick.
Fans will just stay home. Look at at San Francisco after 3 WS a decade ago.
The ballpark there is a half full on nights.
Not just an SD thing. Fans appreciate an ownership group committed to them.
“The owner died” is an excuse that will only last a bit.
You spend money, fans show up. You don’t and they don’t show up.
Blackpink in the area
Quit acting like an entitled goofball.
If fans stay home the budget goes down. I am a Cardinals fan and we have the same type of nitwit entitled fans that think somehow not supporting the team is going to lead ownership to spend more money.
The owner died is a pretty good excuse. And if you didn’t understand it’s the reason the payroll was so high. That payroll was never sustainable he just didn’t care because he was dying.
The Padres have obliterated their farm system over the last few years. Thankfully they are good at drafting and developing. Good gosh if they had kept the prospects they would be better off right now but instead they are looking at probably 1 more year of being a contender and then quite a few of being nobodies again.
towinagain
Cardinals proved my point.
“Entitled”?
Really?!
Entitled fans, for wanting a winner?!
Come on. That’s a tired argument.
Cards fans get it.
You invest in a team, you go. You don’t and you don’t go.
Blackpink in the area
The Padres have spent the last few years running an unsustainable payroll and trading away most of their farm system. That’s not going to last.
towinagain
“Unsustainability” is a myth until the books are opened.
We have no idea what is or is not sustainable even with the ‘loans’ that are leaked.
That’s only part of the picture.
A team can spend if it wants too.
There is no salary cap.
wexlerrules
Preller always seems to find a way to make major moves. No reason to believe that will change.
KnicksFanCavsFan
Cortez is a FA after next season. my guess is they would ask for Clarke Schmidt. He has 3 years of control and was having a good season last year.
Dogleg62
The Yankees need a 1st baseman more than they need a CF. Not sure the author is aware that Anthony Rizzo is a FA and most likely not coming back to NY. They can play Dominguez or Judge in CF and put Bellinger on 1b. Dominguez’s time is now… he is ready for the big leagues.
Blackpink in the area
Bellinger can play both. He’s a pretty good fit for the Yankees. And I do like the idea of Stroman going back to the Cubs where he had prior success.
batteryoutlet
His relationship with the Cubs was awkward at the end. I think something happened during the season. Stroman all of a sudden got a rib injury out of nowhere and stopped talking to the press. he was out for a significant amount of time and it was clear both sides were going to part ways. Fans have no say in it, but they wouldn’t want him back either, the cubs dont need another ground ball pitcher to their rotation.
Blackpink in the area
Hey it’s not like he’s well liked in New York. Stroman is a bit of a dumb dumb. The Cubs would get the salary relief that’s really the key here not whatever Stroman brings to the field.
Bellinger has negative trade value. You have to understand that part first then go from there.
You suggest a trade.
KnicksFanCavsFan
How do you feel about Ben Rice ?
misterb71
Good, not great, on defense. Bellinger won’t embarrass himself in the field, but his Gold Glove days appear to be behind him.
outinleftfield
Judge goes to RF?
thebirds
Stay with the cubs. You both are horrible.
batteryoutlet
you truly dont know true meaning of horrible if you think belli is bad
rondon
He’s obviously a redturd fan.
Blackpink in the area
Bellinger isn’t bad but he is overpaid.
outinleftfield
Cards and Cubs finished with the same record, right? Cards are cutting payroll for next season, right?
Champ world champion Texas Rangers
Texas Jon gray and prospect
MysteryWhiteBoy13
Jays should trade Chris Bassitt for Bellinger. Replace Bassitt with 2 starting pitchers, with one being Fried, Maneah or Severino. Bellinger can play a corner outfield spot and move Vlad to third or DH if they choose. Then sign Adames to either push Bo to second or to play second himself, can also play some third base, and sign Pederson as a platoon DH.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Blue Jays ain’t trading Bassitt…I wanted the Orioles to get Chris…but the Blue Jays put the word on the street no trading Bassitt
MysteryWhiteBoy13
Which is absolutely silly. They will need to replace him next offseason any way, may as well use him to get an asset that can play a different position and then replace him with someone on a longer term deal.
They have literally one area of strength to trade from and it certainly isn’t AAAA multi position players
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Maybe it will change later thus upcoming season…but for now
MysteryWhiteBoy13
You do know that GM’s don’t tell the truth though. Although with Atkins, he just doesn’t seem to have the outside the box thinking to building a roster. He always seems to wait too long to trade players, sapping them of all their value.
BaseballClassic1985
Dominguez has nothing left to prove at AAA. Play him or trade him. Enough of this in-between with prospects.
rickoppelt
Don’t the Mainers need a first basemen? Or out raley at first and Cody in the outfield.
muskie73
Seattle currently has OF/1B covered with Julio Rodriguez, Randy Arozarena, Victor Robles and Luke Raley.
Ma4170
If thats having it covered theyre in trouble
muskie73
Seattle, which posted a league-leading wRC+ of 118 after August 15, received the following 2024 wRC+: Victor Robles (154), Luke Raley (129), Randy Arozarena (122) and Julio Rodriguez (116).
The Mariners anticipate a 2025 bounceback from Rodriguez.:
Ma4170
And you expect that same production from robles and raley? And also not mentioning that arozarena and JRod are two of the streakiest players in the game who go months where they barely hit and kill the offense. Obviously they have great upside but they need to upgrade raley and robles for sure.
metsin4
Is that what the Mariners are hoping for next year? Production for a month and a half of the season?
muskie73
Luke Raley has posted a wRC+ of 129 for two straight seasons.
Most hitters are streaky and T-Mobile Park is particularly unkind to hitters.
muskie73
The Mariners hope to improve on their full-season 2024 team wRC+ of 104, which matched the Red Sox for the fifth best in the American League.
metsin4
That’s why stats with a plus on them are garbage. The Mariners scored the 21st most runs in baseball.
muskie73
And this year the Seattle Mariners surrendered the fewest runs in baseball (tied with the the Braves).
The Mariners had the 12th-best run differential in Major League Baseball (better than the Mets’ run differential).
Seattle’s hitting environment hurt the hitters and helped the pitchers … which is why the “plus” stats are more meaningful.
Jean Matrac
metsin4, Obviously you don’t understand park effects. And because you don’t they’re garbage? The 104 wRC+ means that they would hit better, and score more runs, if they played in a more hitter-friendly park. Being 21st in Runs is because they play in a pitcher-friendly park.
Ma4170
@musiie
Thats why need to look past park adjustment. Raley was great at home and terrible on road last year so park adjustment helps his OPS+ unjustifiably. Besides he cant hit LHP, hes a straight platoon player. He would get even more exposed over a whole year. Great player off the bench for a rhp matchup, but need an upgrade if theyre going to compete in the playoffs.
Most players are streaky to a degree, but JRod and arozarena way more extreme. They disappear for weeks at a time which hurts a team more than normal streakiness.
muskie73
Any stat has its outiers, such as Luke Raley’s home/road split this year.
Indeed Raley is a strong-side platoon hitter who has amassed 861 plate appearances over the past two seasons.
metsin4
What does the Mariners run differential have to do with the Mets? The conversation is improving the Mariners outfield to get more run production. The Mariners weren’t exactly on offensive juggernaut on the road either. Their problem is they are a team that solely relies on the long ball. You do have the best pitching in baseball. An average offense would make you one of the better teams in baseball. Blaming it on your stadium is garbage. The Mariners have a history of elite all time hitters. Moving the fences back ten feet in the gaps isn’t as dramatic as it’s made out to be.
padam
And where did that get them?
Stevil
Luke Raley had a 182 wRC+ from 1 August through the end of the season with a sample size of over 150 PAs. He started showing better PAs once they started playing him regularly in late July. So, yeah, getting 129 wRC+ on the season isn’t a stretch.
And Robles doesn’t have to dominate the way he did. He had a 154 wRC+ with Seattle over a 260+ PA sample. Some regression is to be expected, but that’s not likely a concern.
Seattle needs a regular third baseman, a regular second baseman, a regular DH, a fourth outfielder who can play 1B vs. LHPs, or DH, a utility player and a back up catcher,
It makes little sense to add where they already have solid options when so many other needs are more pressing.
muskie73
This year the Mariners had the league’s fifth-highest outfield fWAR, second-highest starting pitching fWAR and fourth-highest overall pitching fWAR.
Like most teams, the Mariners look to improve.
Stevil
Have you looked at the splits from August on?
You’re bent on down-playing Raley as if he was lucky, but one look at his second half BABIP (.278) suggests otherwise.
You shouldn’t be surprised if Raley is the opening-day first baseman.
outinleftfield
wRC+ takes into account the park environment.
outinleftfield
What was garbage was him talking about how the Mariners did in 6 weeks of baseball instead of a full season.
muskie73
Seattle’s full-season wRC+ of 104 was posted six hours before this disparaging post.
outinleftfield
muskie73
8 hours ago
Seattle, which posted a league-leading wRC+ of 118 after August 15, received the following 2024 wRC+: Victor Robles (154), Luke Raley (129), Randy Arozarena (122) and Julio Rodriguez (116).
So you are saying you posted this garbage I just quoted AFTER that?
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
A reason why we didn’t make the playoffs was because of us underperforming in close games, we were projected to win 89 games but only won 85 (and we were typically great in close games in years past our fun differential was not here this season)
muskie73
muskie73
18 hours ago
The Mariners hope to improve on their full-season 2024 team wRC+ of 104, which matched the Red Sox for the fifth best in the American League.
… was posted shortly after the post that noted Seattle’s wRC+ after August 15.
Chill. Baseball disagreements on the internet should be civil, The use of words such as “garbage” add little to meaningful discussion.
Be well.
bronyaur
@Mets. Literally nobody who is employed by an MLB team in a talent role agrees with you.
metsin4
You literally have no idea what MLB employees think and you should learn what a word means before using it.I would imagine almost all of them would agree that the Mariners need significant improvements on their offense.
RogerDorn
Raley can’t hit lefties. Will need to platoon with another 1B
MatthewStairs
It’s gonna be the A’s.
Nobody wants him opting in to that final year in his contract and he’s guaranteed to opt out of playing another year in a minor league park.
If he’s good, that trade him at the deadline.
If he’s bad, the A’s get the union off their back and don’t have to deal with him opting in.
Jean Matrac
That’s a good plan to keep him from opting in, but no way are the A’s paying anyone $27.5M for 2025. They do say they’ll spend this year, but they aren’t spending that much on one guy.
The only way he goes to the A’s is if the Cubs eat a significant portion of his salary. And then what’s the point? They might as well just keep him.
MatthewStairs
Nah the A’s have to spend and they can’t get free agents.
The MLBPA said they’re keeping a close eye on how they use their revenue sharing and can revisit and challenge how much they get if they don’t see them spending it on players.
They HAVE to spend and this would be a super easy way for them to do it.
Jean Matrac
But it’s completely out of character for them to spend that much on one player. Brent Rooker is their highest paid player at $3.5M Bellinger makes 10x more than their second highest paid player. They will spend, they have to, but it will be spread around. If the WSox, and Rockies can sign players, so can the A’s.
Asfan0780
Well they wasted 15 million last year 9n wood, stripping. Year before they wasted 14 m8ll over 2 urs on aledmyz diaz contract. And a 2 yr deal for Jace Peterson. If cubs can eat about 10 mill or so and A’s toss in a semi decent prospect. Or cubs add in something else from their end too
MatthewStairs
I get it, I know they don’t spend. But if the MLBPA challenges their revenue sharing checks while they’re trying to get Vegas built then John Fisher is done as an owner.
They will absolutely spend just enough to keep the union off their backs.
The A’s can’t sign players because nobody wants to play in a minor league ballpark.
Jean Matrac
Those guys from last year, and the year before, don’t come close to what Bellinger is owed for just 2025. I do agree that the A’s would be interested if the Cubs ate $10M, but the prospect would not be great. Even $17,5 M for one year would be a lot for the A’s for one guy.
MatthewStairs
I’m really not sure you’re understanding the situation here. It’s not a normal offseason for the A’s.
Their revenue sharing is a significant amount of their revenue. Between their TV deal and revenue sharing alone it’s $110m before selling a ticket.
They aren’t paying rent.
If the MLBPA challenges their $40m+ revenue share it’s absolutely curtains.
So you can’t talk about last year in comparison.
Jean Matrac
I understand their situation. I know they have have to spend. But that doesn’t mean Bellinger is the answer for them. I also disagree that no FAs are going to sign with them. The top FAs won’t of course, but most players will go where they get the best offer.
Some guys might see playing in Sacramento a better option than playing in Colorado, Miami, or for the WSox, especially if the A’s offer a few million more. If I were running the A’s I rather overpay for 2-3 mid to low level FAs with the money that Bellinger would be owed.
muskie73
Gotta ask: Are you the former A’s outfielder?
MatthewStairs
Look at the Severino deal, I told ya
Jean Matrac
Told me what? Here are quotes from my previous posts:
“They will spend, they have to…”
“I know they have have to spend.”
You didn’t tell me anything, in fact I told you. More quotes:
You wrote: “The A’s can’t sign players because nobody wants to play in a minor league ballpark.”
To which I responded: “I also disagree that no FAs are going to sign with them.”
So you were wrong that no one will sign with them. I’ve been well aware that the A’s had to spend. My point all along is they don’t need to trade for Bellinger in order to do that. So the Severino signing backs up what I’ve been saying all along.
Jeremy320
The A’s are absolutely spending $27.5m on a single player and probably more than one. There is no way in hell they are going to jeopardize the move the Vegas and that move is contingent on increasing spending significantly.
Jean Matrac
Jeremy320, You make it sound like if they don’t trade for Bellinger they’re jeopardizing their move to Vegas. Like it’s a binary choice. Yes they have to spend, but there are other ways to spend that money other than trading for Bellinger.
YourDreamGM
He will gladly opt in. He ain’t taking less $ just to play in a mlb park 81 days.
MatthewStairs
Sacramento will also be a huge hitters park so it would be great place to have a good year for him too.
Jean Matrac
YourDreamGM, That’s the problem with Bellinger. The Cubs would have liked him to opt-out this year. The team that has him in 2025 will also be hoping he opts out in 2026. And he probably won’t. That’s why I think he stays with the Cubs. Opt-outs complicate trades negatively.
YourDreamGM
Cubs can agree to send more $ if Bellinger opts in. Teams have done it before. More complicated for sure but not a deal breaker.
Jean Matrac
But, at what point does that make sense for the Cubs? If I’m the Cubs, I want to move him because of the salary. At some point how much salary do they eat before it makes more sense to just keep him? And If I’m a different team, how big a portion of his salary do I take on, given the up and down nature of his career?
Of the best fits in the article, I don’t see it working financially for the Astros. I can see a trade happening to the other 3, but still think the odds are he stays.
YourDreamGM
However they value him. If you don’t like your car you don’t keep driving it just because you paid more than what it’s currently worth. There’s a price point you are willing to move on. His contract is done. Can change that. But if they get a trade they win or break even they do it. Only problem is they value Bellinger more than other teams. Maybe now they are awakened. If not they will be.
Jean Matrac
Your car analogy would be more apt if the only way to get rid of it was to find an individual to take it in trade. It’s a lot easier to get rid of a car than for a team to rid itself of a bad contract.
It’s possible. After all, SD was able to dump the last season of both Hosmer’s and Myers’ deals. But I see Bellinger as more difficult. It’s more like trying to move Hosmer and Myers when each had 2 years left on their deals.
Bellinger has a lot more value than those two had, but the dollar amount for Bellinger is significantly greater. I agree that the Cubs probably value him more than other teams. I think he stays.
YourDreamGM
It’s easy to trade him. He’s a good player. Just over paid. You either eat some salary or take some salary back. Put in some contingency $ for if he opts in. If he isn’t traded it’s because they don’t want to. They can 100 percent trade him and easily.
Jean Matrac
I couldn’t disagree more. He is not easily moved.
“If he isn’t traded it’s because they don’t want to.”
Or, more likely, they can’t find anyone to take him. They pretty much let it be known that they’d like to move him.
Trading a guy being paid $10M, or more, than he’s worth isn’t easy, but doable. But, add in the opt-out and it’s even more difficult. Most teams are going to wonder, what if he regresses to the guy he was in 2021-22, or gets injured next season, and opts in for 2026? They’d have to take a $15M hit assuming the Cubs eat $10M. Maybe the Yankees have the wherewithal to do that, but certainly not a team like the A’s.
YourDreamGM
Well I don’t think teams are ready to start putting a warranty on players. So they are going to have to assume some risk and actually evaluate players. It’s a good bet he will be opting in for 26 even if he doesn’t regress or get hurt and if he does the cubs can agree to pay an amount.
If they even want to trade him. You see the contract they gave him? They think he is much more valuable than anyone else does. Have the realized their foolishness and will to admit it? Dunno
Jean Matrac
They definitely want to trade him. That’s been reported across multiple media sources. Teams don’t let that out unless they’re seriously wanting to shed themselves of a bad deal.
Every FA signing is a gamble. Trading for Bellinger is a bigger gamble than most. Not one I’d be comfortable with unless I had the resources of the few teams, like the Yankees, that could absorb a big monetary hit if it goes south.
The Cubs screwed up with that deal, and are trying to mitigate the damage. Some team with deep pockets may bail them out. But at some point they may be better off just keeping him. But if they do, it’s not because they want to.
ohyeadam
I’m surprised Belli doesn’t have a NTC
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
What is this article talking about? Bellinger on the mariners would be a great fit since we need a first baseman and could use a rightfielder, the only hang up would be the cost of bellinger (99% sure ownership won’t add this much payroll)
I know it would be a lot of money for mainly a first baseman yet other people like Christian walker are older and have the same risk as belly
I would probably do bellinger for Mitch garver and an unregarded prospect (or bellinger+a good prospect for garver and harry ford)
Roguesaw2
Cubs would want a good prospect to take on Garver. At least Clay is productive.
Stevil
I’m sorry, I don’t agree with any of that. Muskie laid it out pretty well above.
Oldguy58
“While attempting to contend”, what have they done that gives anyone the impression that the Cubs are attempting to contend? The Cubs thoughts are maybe they can bring a few guys up from Iowa who can be productive while hopefully Milwaukee slides back and other teams in the division don’t improve. Management has let it be known that they would love to compete for the division, that’s it with no bigger aspirations and they can’t even do that
batteryoutlet
the cubs being bad doesn’t mean they aren’t trying to contend. everything theyve told the media and fans was that they feel they are close. heck if they had an actual closer last year that didnt blow 10+ games they would be in a completely different position. they have the 7th highest payroll, that to me signals they are ‘attempting to contend’
Blackpink in the area
You sound like a Cardinals fan Oldguy. Geez where did the entitlement come from?
Of course they Cubs are trying to contend. And their top 6 prospects are all projected to be ready in 2025. So they either gotta make room for them or trade them. It’s not the worst problem to have…..
Led Hoyer
Cubs have terrible roster construction, nothing more. If trading Bellinger means they can field a bullpen that doesn’t blow 30 games, I am all for it.
Blackpink in the area
Yeah Cubs could have won the division last year with a better bullpen.
Wire to wire 2024
Does Pete Alonso not exist
YourDreamGM
He can’t play cf
Wire to wire 2024
In the article they talk about him playing first base and mention the free agent 1b available but not Alonso…
YourDreamGM
Unless talking about cheap teams he should be mentioned as the 1a free agent 1b
AndyWarpath
Does a Nico Hoerner + Cody Bellinger package have a positive or negative overall trade value?
CONservative governMENt
Cubs needs catching and starters.
Seems like there’s a framework for a deal built around Bellinger and Hoerner for Jose Trevino and Nestor Cortes.
Maybe some prospects to the Cubs if they retain some salary.
junior25
Your NOT getting Belli and Hoerner for both Trevino and Cortes
This aint MLB the Show
Blackpink in the area
Bellinger has negative trade value. Hoerner has positive trade value but he’s hurt. I think the trade proposal is reasonable.
To answer the original question maybe 10 million in surplus value. The Bellinger contract is complicating.
Fernando P
I’d pass from the Yankees end. That’s taking on like 77M for 2 years in exchange for about 20M — and have to throw in prospects too?
1) Rather take $66M of that for 3 years of Christian Walker. Then have Cortes, Trevino and prospects to make other trades.
2) Or 2 years of Cortes for 2 years of Naylor.
I just don’t see the need for Bellinger especially at that salary.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
@CONservative +1 great screen name
YourDreamGM
Positive
JimOToole
The Cubs won’t catch the Brewers because they’re not particularly strong at anything. And they don’t know which way the wind will be blowing next season.
desertdawg
Being that Bellinger family lives in AZ, his roots are strong in the Gilbert area. I can see the D’Backs needs as a first baseman, don’t see them resigning Walker. Also, see Thomas as a trade candidate, and if they can get a stop of the line closure by trade, I do see them trading McCarthy in a package deal.
AZ gets Bellinger
Chicago get Montgomery, Thomas (?) or two mid-level prospects.
Dogbone
Cubs have zero need for Thomas. Young SPs would be their preference.
Datashark
Cubs have a need to reduce them from his salary, so yeah that comes at a price on what they get back
JerseyShoreScore
Bellinger’s contract is a negative contract, so the Cubs take what is offered or just shut and keep him… They don’t get a controllable young SP for him…
Big whiffa
I like that ! Arizona is a great fit imo
Lankster19
Ya AZ is a really good fit with Montgomery. Both making about the same money but because of Montgomerys down year Az would need to include a back end top 30 type in a deal. Most likely a LH reliever type. People sleeping a little bit in Cody tho. He’s still a really good baseball player. His defense is just smooth man. But ya makes sense for the cubs to deal with the emergence of PCA
YourDreamGM
Maybe he hates his family. Have you stalked him on social media to confirm? He doesn’t have no trade. Arizona doesn’t care if he wants to go there or not.
Blackpink in the area
That seems like a reasonable trade proposal Dawg. I like it.
scottaz
desertdawg
I agree with you that the Dbacks only trade for Bellinger if the Cubs take Montgomery and his entire contract. The financials still benefit the Cubs by about $9.5M. So, I don’t think the Dbacks have to throw in Thomas or any other player/prospects. Take it or leave it Cubs.
mad1
Doubtful any other team would take on the cubs bad decisions
MysteryWhiteBoy13
Have you met the Jays
Big whiffa
Really ?? What’s less 27 mil to bellinger or paying Alonzo or Walker that same amount over 4 seasons ? Contract isn’t that bad at all pending how the dominos fall
metsin4
Alonso and Walker are both better options.
JerseyShoreScore
Based on Bellinger’s WAR the last few seasons…
His worth is as follows:
2021: Negative 1.7, so obviously worthless
2022: 1.4: so about $11 million
2023: 4.4 so about $36 million
2024: 2.2 so about $18 million
He has averaged out with two outliers over the last four years at about $16 million…
So considering the downside of getting stuck with his contract for 2026 as well…
Bellinger is a huge risk and is grossly OVERPAID.
Big whiffa
There all overpaid and have up and down years and come with risk. How long is he going to be on your roster at that cost ? One season. Walker or Alonzo fall off, you have them for 4
outinleftfield
Jersey, there is this thing called salary inflation in baseball. Using 2018 figures for FA value doesn’t work. 4.4 WAR was worth $39.6 million in the 2022-2023 offseason. $40.47 million in the 2023-2024 offseason. So far this offseason, granted with very few players to go on, it’s worth just over $70 million. By the time the offseason is over it should be about $42 million, maybe a bit more.
Bellinger’s 2.2 WAR this season will be worth about $21-22 million on the FA market this offseason. He is overpaid. just not as much as you seem to think.
YourDreamGM
Any team interested would. Cubs bad decisions have absolutely nothing to do with them trading for Bellinger.
Dmac13
Nestor cortes george Lombard and Emerson Pereira to the cubs for bellinger. Yankees take on his full salary and we plug him at 1st base. The yankees then pivot to sign anthony Santander to play left field making the yankees outfield Santander lf Martian cf judge rf back up Grisham (bellinger, Cabrera and Spencer jones as they can also put chisholm out there as well). Yankees infield wells catches bellinger and rice 1b 2b Cabrera and peraza ss volleyball 3b Chisholm unless they ho after adames and make him the 3b moving Jazz to 2b. Then they should go after pitching. Will Warren can be packaged for a reliever. I’d like for them to sign burnes to replace cortes and add tanner scott and Devin williams as your power arms to go with luke weaver. If they bring back Leiter and tim hill the new pen is loaded with a deep rotation. Yes the lose out on Soto but to add adames, bellinger, and santander as well as burnces scott and williams all for the same as Soto. I’m all in
Anthony maresca
Lmfao!!!!! You’re not getting Lombard and Pieria for Bellinger straight up let alone Cortes. Cubs will need to eat some salary in any trade period or they are stuck with him!
YourDreamGM
Cubs will be the ones sending prospects if Yankees take on all the salary.
Niekro floater
Yanks after they lose out on Soto, which is prob best thing for NY. Can use those resources n plug a few different holes on roster n still have $$$ leftover. Would be nice to see em w/Angels, coming back to LA.
Acoss1331
Yankees were interested in Bellinger at the trade deadline in 2023 so there’s interest built up already. I don’t think the Yankees land Soto, I think the Mets outbid Hal. Bellinger would do well in that short porch, and he can play both CF and 1B, both of which he does well, and defense is something the Yankees need.
Damn_Yankees
So you trust that Brian Cashman will actually be able to fill those holes after all the terrible moves he’s made over the last handful of years?
KnicksFanCavsFan
What terrible moves? Acquiring Jazz, Soto and drafting and retaining Dominguez, Cortez, Gil, Schmidt, Wells and Volpre? Every GM makes a bad trade/FA or two ?
Other Stanton he hasn’t made a mind that handcuffed us with Rondon being a TBD. I think he’s done a good job and took some chances that maybe didn’t plan out but didn’t cost us much (Verdugo, the length of DJs contract). I hate the Bader/ Montgomery trade tho. It didn’t make sense to me.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Unfortunately for me, whenever I see the name “Niekro floater” I immediately envision a different type of floater (nothing personal.)
TMac1950
Miami unloaded him and replaced Luis (their lead off hitter) with Xavier Edwards. Xavier was moved to lead off and hit .328, as compared to Arraez’s .314. Arraez is a liability in the field, so he DH’s. Edwards has a solid glove and plays SS. He’s also a much better base runner and a threat to steal 40+ bases.
prov356
It would make perfect sense for the Angels to figure out a way to snag Bellinger. That means it won’t happen.
outinleftfield
Shhhhh. Let a guy dream.
bestone
Not enough room in the outfield for Bellinger, Soto, Varsho, Springer, Teoscar…
metsin4
Well good thing you will only have 2 of those players and not have that problem.
rondon
I fail to see any substantial gain for the Cubs in moving him. With the opt out for ‘26, they’ll more than likely have to pay down a lot of his ‘25 deal. And who would they legitimately replace him with? Say what you want, but he’s an above average player who can’t be legitimately replaced by a rookie or cheap FA. Just keep him.
Big whiffa
Yeah, I agree. The 27 mil for this season ain’t terrible. It’s the opt out that kills. So if he’s productive, he opts out and teams only get one season at 32.5 mil. So cubs throw in 5-10 mil to unload him ? That doesn’t make any sense. Plus their lineup is just ok, they need bellinger in the middle of that order
junior25
Saw something on MLB Network that they suggested the following
Hoerner, Belli and Horton
For
Vladi Jr and Gausman
If im Cubs im all over that but only with a Vladi extension
rondon
IF they don’t have to pay down Bellinger’s ‘25 salary. Gausman and Vlad (extended), are gonna cost a bundle.
Blackpink in the area
They replace him with Armstrong that’s obvious. Armstrong is an exciting player he has a huge floor and if he can even hit just a little he can be a very good player. Plus they have Cassie and Alcantara coming soon.
The gain in moving him is the salary relief they could use for other needs like pen help.
johncoltrane
3 seasons into his career, bellinger was elite young player the way we think of bobby witt or gunnar henderson today. Wat the hell happened to him?
metsin4
Weed
Blackpink in the area
He has a very complicating swing that requires incredible timing and athleticism. When he’s 100% healthy it works when he’s not it doesn’t.
YourDreamGM
Shoulder injury and surgery?
outinleftfield
Injury. The same one Ohtani just had.
texasbug
The Houston Astros trade Ryan Pressly, Chas McCormick to the Cubs.
Ma4170
Instead of mccormick it eould prob take one of their SP not named framber brown or blanco
Mr_KLC
Throw Montero in there too, and we’ll take on the whole Bellinger contract.
rondon
I’m.. No thanks on Montero.
609Collectibles
Cubs fans: Bellinger is an upside down contract, similar to Nick Castellanos. He’s a good player, just over priced. Hear me out on this – Cubs take a gamble on Taijuan Walker, who led the league in wins in 2023 and didn’t miss a turn.
Cubs acquire:
Taijuan Walker SP (2/37mil)
Johan Rojas CF
Rafael Marchan C
Michael Mercado RHP (#19)
Phillies acquire:
Cody Bellinger CF (1-2/27.5-52.5mil)
Nate Pearson RHP (Arb 2 1.0mil)
You get a vet back of the rotation arm that’s healthy now. A young, fast, post season experienced and cheap defensive CF that’s been coached up and helps your pitching staff. A switch hitting catcher with a career OPS over .800 and a live arm in Mercado that you can stretch out in the spring. Has minor league options. As a Phillies fan, I wouldn’t trade anything more than that for an above average player that’s not great. He would be an upgrade in CF and insurance policy on Bryce at 1B.
Blackpink in the area
That’s a bit complicating but I think it’s fair.
609Collectibles
Bellinger’s contract is complicated, that’s why most teams want nothing to do with it. Would be surprised to see the Cubs trade him without getting back a pricey player in return. As far as prospects, a team with deep pockets like the Yankees that pretty desperately need a LH bat – may give up a couple of fringe top 20 organizational prospects for him – but would the Cubs even trade him for prospects in a winnable division? Probably not. So if they trade Bellinger, I believe it will be somewhat complicated, just like his contract and career to this point.
rondon
They don’t need Rojas. They non tendered Tauchman because of the young outfielders coming up.
KamKid
What’s the opt out calculus for Bellinger? I see an above average contact hitter who can pull enough fly balls to hit a moderate number of HRs going to market ahead of his age 30 season and I kind of think of Lourdes Gurriel, Jeimer Candelario etc. is a 3/$45m type deal enough to make him opt out of 1/$20m? Or would he take the $20m and assume he could top 2/$25m the next season? Perhaps the CF capability bumps his market value enough to be worth a bit more than that. 3/$51m? I feel like there’s a good gamble to be made here in a multiplayer deal that includes some of the Cubs’ young talent.
I think that’s a more likely trade than simply a team trying to add Belinger and trying to figure out how to value him vs the contract. I think he’s used more as a way to get a good but expensive player but is also attached to one or more of the Cubs’ really good prospects.
Blackpink in the area
Who would want to pay Bellingers contract but also want prospects?
KamKid
Basically to buy the prospects. Maybe it’s a good but expensive player the Cubs are getting. They wouldn’t want to give up a ton of prospect capital in that case, but a team taking Bellinger off their books could leverage a more premium prospect into the deal that way.
I’m thinking he’s included in some sort of multiplayer trade with major leaguers on both ends of the deal. I see that much more likely than a contender just taking his contract and cash for a non prospect minor leaguer.
Blackpink in the area
Again who is this team that can afford to pay Bellingers contract and wants prospects as part of the deal? It’s not the type of trade that happens often if ever.
KamKid
Lots of teams if they are sending even more salary back. You’re right that it doesn’t happen often, but it’s the kind of thing that could mitigate the complications of trading that contract. Challenge components and diversification of the packages on both sides of it.
Maybe there’s a framework there for the Twins who might be motivated to get out of Correa’s salary if they want to clean up the long term books ahead of a potential sale. Maybe it’s the Nationals who have really clean books already and can afford the cost inefficient contract of Bellinger and would love to add even more young talent to the system. Maybe it’s the Blue Jays who are a big market team with a terrible farm system who would rather take on the money of Bellinger attached to value in young talent than have to make their own overpay in free agency.
Datashark
The cost alone seems like he is destined to be a Cubs unless they find a drunk trade partner or pay some of that money where the other team does not have take on such salary.to trade for him – I don’t think he will command a good return.
YourDreamGM
He 100 percent won’t bring a good return. But he can bring salary relief or a position of greater need.
Curious A's Fan
Bellinger’s Player Option for 2026 is $25 million or a $5 million buy-out. That’s per Cots, Roster Resource, and Spotrac.
Chad Dare
Yes and no.
Bellinger gets that $5 million regardless of opting in or out so the option is for $20 million.
Basically he is owed $52.5 million over 2 years if he opts in or $32.5 over 1 year if he opts in.
CarverAndrews
Reluctantly, I actually see this as a move that improves the Phillies given the state of their OF and buys them time to see how Crawford and Rincones develop. A year for $32.5M is really rich for Bellinger 3.0 so he has a significant net negative trade value. Giving back quality prospects does not work, so either eat the $$ and take him on knowing that it is just a year, or get creative with a bad contract. I wouldn’t mind this if DD & Co. can figure something out.
YourDreamGM
Player option for 26 so might not be just 1 year
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Forgot where I saw this proposed trade
Three Team Trade
Cubs get
Luis Castillo
Harry Ford
Phillies get
Cody Bellinger
Mariners get
Nico Hoerner
As a Cubs fan I’d rather have Kirby but that ain’t happening up less the Cubs give up at least 2 of their top 15 prospects. As long as it’s not Owen Caissie, Matt Shaw or Cade Horton. Seattle can have their pick. I also don’t think Cam Smith will be available either.
I also asked this on the live chat yesterday, but it wasn’t answered.
For the record I don’t want Belli to be traded.
muskie73
The win-now Seattle Mariners are unlikely to trade Luis Castillo and Harry Ford for prospects and two years of Nico Hoerner coming off concerning flexor tendon surgery.
YourDreamGM
Philly isn’t letting you dump that awful contract on them even if he is free!
Blackpink in the area
Take Ford out. No reason the Cubs should get Ford.
Of course you don’t want to trade Bellinger. You aren’t paying the bills.
Motor City Beach Bum
Bellinger and Hoerner for Tork and young pitching. Tork in Wrigley could be fun. Bellinger can play 1B and multiple OF positions and the Tigers like versatility. Shift bodies around to accommodate Hoerner. Lots of interesting arms in Detroits system.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Where does that put Michael Busch? He’s a 1B as his Tork
Motor City Beach Bum
Busch could slot in for Hoerner couldn’t he? Correct me if I’m wrong though. He played 2B with LA.
Lankster19
That better be a good arm because Tork is not a major league player yet. Cubs have about 6 guys to audition for jobs in the minors in the near future to try out too if they’re not in any near deals
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
What am I missing here? Do the Tigers have another player named Torkelson? How is he not a major league player yet?
Lankster19
A career .220 hitter will not have a major league career for much longer. It’s still an audition for him at this point. Similar to Chris morel.
Motor City Beach Bum
Thatc30 HR power still looks good even with a low average. Something to dream on.
books
I think the Yankees scenario is being significantly underplayed.
Specifically, I think he has value to the Yankees from a recruiting POV in their pursuit of Soto. The Yankees have to convince Soto that they can return to the Series and win, and the more they reinforce their team *while Soto is on the market*, the more plausible their claim will be, especially if they can add without losing key prospects. And Belly may be available pretty much just for his salary…
Bellinger offers the potentially impactful play and name recognition that FA hitters do, which is nice for recruiting, but with just a max of two years left, he does those things for a lower and shorter total outlay than virtually any FA of real recruiting value. With the Yankees having an opening at first base and at least a degree of uncertainty in left, he has a clear path to playing time if split between those positions, especially if he is paired with Rizzo and his inexpensive veteran-ness, playoff-ness, leadership-ness, etc, or another risky 1b like Goldy.
With the Yankees having shown signs last offseason of cost-consciousness and an a wish to let prospects play, they probably want to have Peraza and LeMahieu take most of the PA at second, or else have Chisholm take over 2b and have LeMahieu at third…and of course they want Dominguez to get a shot in left next year, the point being that aren’t going to chase the top infield FAs, or the Teoscar H or Santanders or Alonsos of the world. Belly might help them raise their offensive floor while enabling those things and a cheap Rizzo or Goldschmidt deal, but do so without a long term contract to worry about. That not only makes them better, it also helps them market themselves to Soto.
Finally, it’s also another bay to offset any possible Stanton injuries, and a way of showcasing the Bellinger family connection to Soto in case he is thinking about his family legacy as well…
metsin4
Soto care about money. The Yankees thinking they can sign him because they can win or they are the Yankees is fantasy.
books
I think there’s real truth to that, but IMO it’s more like he wants to be paid what he’s worth and play for a good team, rather than an utterly isolated pursuit of absolutely nothing but top dollar.
If a good team offers him a competitive amount but a bad team like, say, the Angels offered him even more, I doubt he would sign. I think the reason Steve Cohen is rightly seen as having an advantage is only partly that he might offer Soto more than anyone else, but equally that he intends to pay for a huge amount of other top talent.
I think that if Soto sees a loser franchise outbidding everyone else, he’ll take the second or third offer instead. So I think it’s only partially true that he’s after the money.
Maybe he also values other things too, like location or team culture.
onthebucks
Cody Bellinger, Ian Happ and Tyson Miller to Phillies for Kyle Schwarber, Taijuan Walker and Brandon Marsh.
The Cubs may have to send some money, and prospects may have to be included in the trade to sweeten the deal for both teams.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Never gonna happen. Happ has a full ntc and it’s already been reported he’s not gonna waive it.
YourDreamGM
Too many excuses. Lots of options. Real problem is options. His 2026 option makes trade more complicated but teams deal with that all the time. Teams can’t afford his 26m? Well how about the cubs eat some salary and those teams can afford it and give up better prospects? Or those teams dump some overpaid trash of their own? Don’t buy into the not trading in division either. Pirates won 70 some games. Will have 100m payroll. Brought back same awful gm and manager. If you can’t beat them with double the payroll you need the division. If Bellinger single handedly makes them so much better that they win division you better keep him instead of trading him.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Belli is a perfect fit for the Cubs, just getting paid about ten million too much.
Outfield of Happ in right, PCA in Center, and Belli I. Right. Seiya is primary DH put can play right when Belli or Busch sits.
Cubs just need a catcher, a closer, and one more middle reliever. Sure they could use more starting pitching, it more likely they keep Shota, Steele, Taillon, Assad
YourDreamGM
Perfect fit for any team. Who has a 1b dh and 4 outfielders better than him?
CCooper8920
Doval & Yaz for Belli; Cubs get an OF who would probably rake at Wrigley, salary relief and a flier on closer/relief pitcher who just needs to avoid Coors at all costs. The Giants get a good defensive player who has a name SF fans remember. Both teams finish so far away from the playoffs it’s not funny.
hiflew
I think you guys overrate the lack of in-division trades. This is not the age of the unbalanced schedule or of the single wild card. Multiple teams from a division can and do now make the postseason. Because of that, the need to avoid in division trades is severely lessened, if not eliminated altogether. The Yankees and Red Sox made a significant trade last year. If they are doing it, then pretty much anyone will..
frankf
Or they can just, you know, keep him and operate like one of the highest revenue generators in the league instead of the A’s or Marlins.
towinagain
Wait, the Padres need a lf and have the pieces to get a deal done but…
BUDGET.
More ***flipping*** budget talk with the Padres.
Want to lose a passionate fan base in SD?
Talk budget.
Fans don’t want to talk budget, should not have to talk budget.
‘But you’re not being realistic about the Padres situation’
Shut the fudge up with that bullcrap!
Sports are a fantasy.
Loyalty is a two ways streak.
Reward a passionate Padres fan base that is now Padres Nation.
Don’t squash them with “budget” talk.
Make a splash, whether through a trade or free agent pick up.
JoeBrady
towinagain
Want to lose a passionate fan base in SD?
Talk budget.
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LOL! The team is already over the first tax tier, and “currently” #3 in payroll and you’re complaining about them not spending enough?
towinagain
I Don’t Care.
towinagain
They are not #3 in payroll.
outinleftfield
As of today the Padres are #3 in payroll.
legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/
They won’t end up 3rd without some major additions because the Astros, Yankees, and Mets at a minimum are going to make some huge investments, but as of now they are #3.
JoeBrady
They are not #3 in payroll.
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legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/
Look for the (3) next to their name, That is their current payroll ranking.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
You’re right about fans not wanting to talk about budgets. That’s a real world concern that causes too much real world angst as it is.
JoeBrady
It’s a silly approach, imo. Pretending teams have unlimited budgets can only lead to false expectations and disappointment.
Complaining that the RS aren’t spending as much as their revenue dictates is fair game. Complaining that they aren’t outspending the NYY and LAD, is not.
towinagain
Then as fans, realistically, unless you’re a fan of the Dodgers and Yankees you should forgo watching baseball.
If you can buy a championship and outspend by an incredibly large amount every team in baseball then what’s the point?
Realistically, you don’t spend then you don’t win.
settledownitsjustagame
Oh quit with this baffonery. He isn’t going anywhere.
uvmfiji
Im trading the guy with blue hair
The biggest tr0ll
Let’s eat part or most of Yoshida’s contract, throw in a prospect or two, and trade him for Bellinger
Homer_Heins
Belli could be great in his home town AZ, if the price is right.
D-Money
The Guardians would be great for Bellinger. Too bad they’ve spent their annual budget on Hedges.
El Kabong
The idea of Cody Bellinger joining Jose Altuve in Houston is interesting (to say the least). Bellinger was outspoken in his criticism of Altuve winning the AL MVP in 20i7, claiming that Altuve stole the award from Aaron Judge by cheating. Bellinger and Altuve meeting up as teammates would be must-see TV.
YourDreamGM
Buzz lightyear knows it’s true. They’ll be fine.
BronxBombers23
Trevino and Stroman for Bellinger.
wileycoyote56
Tigers should look hard at him. Backup plan for center if needed and a solid 1b man. Trade even up for Javy lol, hell even throw in a couple low level prospects too if that works for the Cubs. Gives Tigers a lot of options in OF and at first, and swap 2 bad contracts. Maybe Javy returns to form as a Cub, but if not one of our extra outfield prospects and a reliever might get it done.
JoeBrady
the Red Sox …. could pursue help in at least one of Bellinger’s positions
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Just out of curiosity, would that be CF (Rafael), RF (Abreu), or 1B (Casas)? Because all three are better than Belli at about 5% of his price tag.
outinleftfield
Angels. Cubs get Adell, Kavadas, and Rendon and Arte sends the Cubs $22.5 million to cover the difference in salaries.
El Kabong
I’m surprised to see so many fans here who want their team to make a trade for Bellinger. As a Dodger fan, I wouldn’t want him back under any circumstances. Let some other team make that mistake.
Jean Matrac
I couldn’t agree more. I’m surprised to see so many fans wanting their team to acquire him. Over the last 5 seasons he’s been a league average hitter, but is getting paid like an AS. People should ask themselves, if Bellinger is so appealing, why do the Cubs want to trade him?
YourDreamGM
They want him because they know the name. Think their team can just dump their trash to get him. Same with any trade fantasy.
Last 5 years don’t matter. Teams are only concerned with 2025 2026.
outinleftfield
Teams want him because he was better last season than 900 of the 1400 players that took the field for a MLB team this season. If he repeats 2023 he will be in top 25-30 in the game.
JoeBrady
They want him despite the fact that he makes $26M per year, and there are 500 better players in the league?
DarrenDreifortsContract
I’m not. For some reason people on here act like he’s a superstar. I was glad when he was gone. One of the most overrated Dodgers in recent memory.
joew
Other than the division, the pirates are a near perfect fit.
OF and first base help. Average+ bat. That shouldnt cost an arm and a leg assuming no major bidding war.
Cody and 7.5m in 2025 and 5m for 2026. Or there bouts
Bednar, a franchise top 10 prospect. Delay or triolo depending on needs a mid range bench ceiling prospect.
YourDreamGM
If Pirates are taking on that much salary no need for all that. They can get him for free. He’s a negative value player and it’s not close. Cubs would need to pay most salary to get all of that.
Division doesn’t matter. If Bellinger is the difference maker between Pittsburgh winning division over the Cubs they wouldn’t be trading him.
Bellinger is trojan horse. Nuttings only going to allow how much $. 20 some million a year on Bellinger handcuffs them from doing other things.
joew
I was thinking Bednar to help offset to the cost.
Franchise top 10 because I was thinking it was 2 years of team control not a player option.. brain fart.. so pull that back quite a bit.
I guess it all comes down to how much salary the cubs are willing to eat. if it comes down to 20m i think that is do able.
BUT Id rather pick up a free agent like Paul Goldschmidt to fill that 1b hole.
chemfinancing
The Cubs look so idiodic signing him to a mega contract and then now seem as if they legitimately want to trade him. I thought Arizona was the perfect fit as a free agent, he obviously didn’t sign there but maybe it could be a trade destination. Let’s put it this way I traded him for Zack Gelof in a 20 team dynasty format at the deadline this past season.
YourDreamGM
Cubs looked idiotic the day they signed it. It’s worked out about as well as it could have.
scottaz
For the Dbacks, I’d rather have Christian Walker at 3 yrs/$60M, than Bellinger at 2 yrs/$52.5M. 3/$60M is what Trade Rumors projects Walker will receive. Even if that figure is low and the Dbacks have to spend 4/$75M, I’d still rather have Walker than Bellinger.
scottaz
From the Dbacks’ perspective, trading Montgomery for Bellinger is probably Option 4. And one of the first 3 Options are absolutely most likely to happen.
Option 1 is to sign Free Agent Carlos Santana to platoon with Pavin Smith at 1b, and share time at DH with Ketel Marte and Jordan Lawler.
Option 2 is to sign Paul Goldschmidt to do the same thing.
Option 3 is to re-sign Walker. Walker never said he didn’t want to be a Dback, he just said this was his first chance to test the waters of Free Agency and he planned to do just that. So the Dbacks have a better shot at signing Walker than any other team, IF the Dbacks are willing to spend that kind of money. Therefore, they would prefer spending big money on Walker rather than Bellinger. That makes Bellinger Option 4.
Dbacks would only do Options 3 or 4 if they could unload Montgomery’s contract. But if they did trade all of Montgomery’s contract, re-signing Walker is entirely feasible. And there is a market for Montgomery.
bravesfan
Braves do make sense but I don’t see it. And honestly, I kinda hope they stay away. He’s too much of a roller coaster and the Braves are full of nothing but roller coasters. We need steady guys who will be exactly what the #s are the entire year and won’t be elite at times but bottom feeders other times
DarrenDreifortsContract
That’s a lot of writing for Cody Bellinger lol.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Cody Bellinger is a singularly bizarre case to me:
He’s a very good player who’s decent even when he’s playing more toward the worst version of himself, he consistently gets large salaries and yet Greek epics are written analyzing why everybody wants to avoid him like the plague, dump him or replace him any way they possibly can.
So what’s the reality here?
He’s the epitome of “nobody wants him or needs him but someone pays him like the best player at his position in the league and immediately wants a way to dump him.”
I can’t really think of any player at the moment whose treatment by analysts or fans is more bipolar.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Side Question:
Is Jasson Dominguez the latest way overhyped Yankees bust / dud of a prospect?
Dumpster Divin Theo
Finding a partner for Mister Spicoli. How bout Cleveland? Isn’t that where Brad Hand lives? No way Mister Hand!