Gil Meche Projection

Just did Horacio Ramirez: 4.44 ERA, 1.42 WHIP. I'm starting to think Bavasi's deal wasn't bad - Ramirez had some bad injury luck in '06 and could provide league average work for cheap.

WOW I never thought I'd here Gil Meche and ace in the same sentence!

Having a 4.62 ERA WOULD make Meche our ace. I have absolutely no problem stating that, knowing that it pushes a shitty SP out the other end of the rotation. Hernandez was so abysmal we outright released him. So to hear all the little jokes it quite annoying. Why are people so put off by the Royals improving their team? That's exactly what the Meche signing did, and at ONLY $1M more per year and an extra year than the Jays/Cubs offered. We had to offer that extra money/year to get him. So what? We're stoked.

"Why are people so put off by the Royals improving their team?"

Because I don't see how Gil Meche for obscene dollar amounts does this.

Nickjs21, do you have a reading comprehension problem or are you just stupid?

kyledavidson clearly pointed out "why" acquiring Meche would improve the Royals team:

"Having a 4.62 ERA WOULD make Meche our ace. I have absolutely no problem stating that, knowing that it pushes a shitty SP out the other end of the rotation. Hernandez was so abysmal we outright released him."

Exactly, he is statistically better than the starter who he replaced. Therefore, he improves the team....seems simple enough, but I guess there are some slow people out there.

Feel free to complain about the money, I can see where you're coming from. However, some things you need to keep in mind:

1. KC gets a large chunk of revenue sharing money every year...the new CBA requires them to spend it rather than pocketing it,

2. KC has been a last place team for the past few years. They HAVE to overpay to get anyone decent to sign with them right now.

3. A league average output from Meche helps keep their young pitchers (Hochevar, Greinke, etc) down in the minors for a longer period of time, aiding in their development.

nickjs21, SBE points out a very important fact in that having at least a league average pitcher in KC allows for our prospects to pitch in AA/AAA, which is a departure from the past use of such prospects. We nearly ruined Greinke bringing him up to fast. And whoever said this ties up all our money? We pick up the following next season: $11M from Sweeney, $5M from Elarton, $5M from Sanders, that's already more money than we had to work with THIS off season. So to say it will detract from further signing is to not know all the information. Having signed Meche can only HELP sign another SP or two next year. Even if he only adds a few wins, our team played nearly .500 at the end of the year WITH tons of injuries. So without the horrible start, the Royals wouldn't have looked like such a joke to all of you in other cities.

The problem is not Meche compared to who he replaces.

The problem is that the Royals have committed huge money to medicority.

They have no hope of competing for a couple years at least.

Why not save the money for when there are better alternatives?

The Reds thot Eric Milton would raise their profile becuz they gave him big money and he had "good stuff"....

Yea, how does that contract look on their books now?

What did it do for their profile?

Meche=Dreifort=Milton=Clement.....

Shitty pitchers who were the "best available".

The innings Meche gets, would have done more for a young pitcher learning to succeed in the majors.

The best case scneario for the Royals, is that Meche posts a fluke start and they deal him for prospects by the break.

and we've been saving our money long enough. matter of fact, Allaird Baird was consumed by finding "bargains" and wasted any money Glass gave him to toy with. Dayton Moore is the real deal. Thank god he grew up in Wichita, Kansas.

So we're arguing that kids like Greinke need just 5 more years in AAA before they can bring him to the bigs? Because that's how long Meche's contract is. For 11MM a year. So when Greinke is 28, Gil Meche will be making 11MM dollars to help him develop.

Say what you want, but don't tell me that any of this is worth it or benefitting to a team with that contract in a couple of years. Spending for spending's sake is the worst reason to dish out money. If Dayton Moore was the "real deal," he wouldn't throw around money for the reason of, "he can."

And Meche has been pitching in the majors for 6 years. Yeah, I'm sure that "potential" is just around the corner from being realized.

We'll see. If the Royals win the division, and we can look back and say this signing turned the corner, I will empty out my life's savings to you. But isn't it all the more likely that this signing just simply SUCKED? Think that over.

by age 28 schmidt was 74-67
by age 28 carp was 49-50
by age 28 Meche is 55-44

Each guys ERA is comparable at that time in their careers... If Meche follows the same path he is due for a breakout season...

I think it's a solid signing if the Royals plan on building a contending team within 3 years... But, if they just continue like the Royals we are used to, it seems pretty pointless... In Meche, you get a guy who is starting to figure a few things out... I think he is going to open alot of eyes in the next few years... I hope the Royals do the right thing and start trying to put a winner together for all the die hard Royal fans out there. At this point, Im sure all you have left is die hards...

I love when someone brings up Darren Dreifort... It just makes me laugh to think that so much hype could bring so money...
Sort of the same thing with Clement...

"by age 28 schmidt was 74-67
by age 28 carp was 49-50
by age 28 Meche is 55-44

Each guys ERA is comparable at that time in their careers... If Meche follows the same path he is due for a breakout season..."

This is a retarded fucking example.

If u went after every pitcher that fit this profile, you'd have an army of shitty pitchers with a 400 million team.

you might as well say:

randy jhnson threw hard and had no command in his early 20s, so lets go out and sign every single hard throwing lefty to 50 million, because as we all kno, they all turn into one of the best pitchers of all time.

retarded logic.

In case you wanted the link this is where he said it....
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6251892

if you can't understand the similariaty, in paraphrasing the immortal bullshit of bsox21 it's not worth explaining to you, how retarded you are.

Seriously bsox, are you 8 years old? Have you ever actually watched baseball games, or do you simply look at stats on ESPN to form your judgments?

The potential is there for Meche to breakthrough as one of the top starters in the AL. If you watched his starts, knew his repertoire, or talked to people within the industry, you would know this. However, since it's obvious you know nothing about him outside of his career record, you keep on spouting the same worthless info.

Meche had an awful shoulder injury a few years ago that, at the time, was deemed career-threatening. It obviously halted his development, and some say he is now just getting back to 100% (Carp and Schmidt went through the same thing).

When on, Meche has devastating stuff: 4 seamer with movement that tops out at 98, nasty hammer curve, nice change, and a slider that he added this past season. His problem has never been "stuff", the problem has been making poor decisions on the mound, which improves with experience.

Obviously Dayton Moore knows a hell of a lot more about pitchers than you, I, or anyone else on this site, so I am going to defer to him on this move. Apparently him and his top scouts feel that Meche is on the cusp of reaching his full potential, and they feel they can help him do it.

Continue to mock it if you want, but you just look like a clueless moron when you keep repeating the same worthless drivel.

all i have to say is that gil meche and octavio dotel are nice adquisitions to the royals
even though that will not get them to the playoffs in that division they are quality pitchers.

heck i will like to have both of them in my team.

but i understand why u guys arguing is about the contract, but seriously if marquis got what he got meche deserves that.
and about the projection thing i just think is plain stupid let the guys show the fans and writers what he got.

"Seriously bsox, are you 8 years old?"
Ding ding ding ding ding dinggggggg....we have a winner! You win an all expenses payed trip to.....well, no where. The games skill level was set to '1' you probably didn't feel very challenged...disappointing, I know, but we're hoping the host of this amusing little contest decides to make a few adjustments, so that all may indulge regardless of color, creed, class, intelligence,or age.

Now don't call me a stupid shit bsox21...

I agree that you can get good pitchers with decent stuff without giving them 55MM... I know that and have seen it several times over...

But, for Royals faithfuls who have seen their organization trade off talent and skim off the top for the better part of the last 2 decades it shows their fans that they will spend some money... Whether it's a good signing is completely debateable... But, showing their fans that they are willing to spend the money to field a competitive team might generate more interest and bring forth more season ticket purchasers... Spending money in the PUBLIC eye is as important right now for the Royals as drafting well and making decent trades... They have been the laughing stock of baseball for a long time and it may take splashing some money around ( however frivilous it may be) to bring back some of the Royals faithfuls who have been fed up for years... Is Gil Meche the savior of the organization...Not even close.. Is he on the same level as Oliver Perez or Kip Wells... most definately... Does he bring some hope to a franchise that would scream to be 10 games under .500, maybe... I think the organization thinks so...

Wow... I guess you and I said the same thing...

I feel like I wasted 5 minutes making that post nrmax88... But, it doesn't hurt to say it more than once...

allaboutphils,

Altho I agree that investing in ur team has a positive effect, 55 million in a bad pitcher is not the way to do it.

yes, perhaps it does provide a short term infusion of energy, but the long term damage is sets the organization back years....

Eric Milton has the Reds handcuffed.

sure the media doesnt talk about it, but the reds are paralyzed.

they are talking about trading adam dunn for pitching.

dunn is one of the best young hitters in the league.

imagine if they had the eric milton money to throw around.

MONEY RUNS OUT, ESPECIALLY FOR TEAMS LIKE THE ROYALS.

Even the yankees have a cap.

if not for all the bad contracts on the yankees, carlos beltran would on the yankees right now. he was willing to play there for 80 million.

bad contracts handcuff rich teams, and cripple poor ones.

Gil Meche will cripple the royals.

Is there a small chance that he turns it around? Sure, I've seen Meche pith well ever once in a while.

iv seen alay soler pitch well too....want to hand him 55 million dollars?

I am excited ited about Meche with a career 4.65 ERA. The Royals set a record for the amount of money they paid a pitcher on a guy who would be a 3rd spot in the rotation on most other teams. And sure, Seattle is a pitcher’s park—it’s almost easier to hit a ball out of the Grand Canyon.

But two things are positive signs:

a) they set a goal to get this guy and didn’t take “no” for an answer;

b) this guy would have been Pitcher of the Year if he’d been a Royal.

However, having said that, it's the other pitching moves are the moves I'm excited about.

1) We traded Ambiorix “Broad Side of a Barn” Burgos for a young Mets starter (Brian Banister, 4.26 in 8 starts last year, his rookie season) who would have also been Pitcher of the Year had he been a Royal last year.

2) We picked up Joakim Soria from the “Yaquis de Obregon” in the Liga Mexicana del Pacifico (Obregon Indians in the Pacific Mexican League), a San Diego Padres in the Rule 5 draft. He’s has a 2.02 in Mexican winter ball right now. Last year he had a 3.51 ERA, with 13 walks and 41 strikeouts in 48.2 innings, which means he’d have been Pitcher of the Year for the Royals minor league teams in Idaho Falls (PoY had 3.60 ERA), Burlington (PoY had 4.01 ERA), High Desert (PoY had 4.36 ERA), and Omaha (PoY had 4.24 ERA).

3) To pick up Soria, the Royals released Runelvys Hernandez. This comes to the relief of the Royals laundry department, Royals fans, John Buck, and the Royals pitching mound. In related news, Krispy Kreme Doughnuts stock closed down Thursday, losing 1.12% on the news the Runelvys is no longer employed.(http://www.nyse.com/about/listed/lcddata.html?ticker=KKD)

4) In October, the Royals announced they’d claimed Ken Ray off of waivers from the Atlanta Braves. Ken Ray, originally drafted by the Royals in 1993, made news last season by being the first guy of 2006 to strike out Barry Bonds by throwing 84 MPH fastballs right across the plate. Ray had a 4.52 ERA in 79 innings as a reliever last year, which means he’d be Pitcher of the Year if he’d been a Royal.

5) We also picked up Octavio Dotel who has agreed to sign with the Royals over the Red Sox. Dotel has a career ERA of 3.75 (though last year, the year after Tommy John, he had a 10.80 ERA, which would have almost made him Pitcher of the Year if he was a Royal), which means he would have been Pitcher of the Year with the Royals in 2005, 2004, 2003, 2002, and 2001.

Did you know that the Yaquis de Obregon have cheerleaders? Of course you didn’t know that. You didn’t know Obregon has Yaquis. Or that Mexico has an Obregon. http://www.yaquis.com.mx/galeria/details.php?image_id=114

Meche is a fine signing. I don’t think the point is that we have an ace, I think the point is to show that we're in the market for an ace. The lineup is fine (other than SS, of course). We have guys who can hit the ball and catch the ball-- just no one who can throw the ball.

Truthfully, when I read a lot of the "Royals Suck and Always Will" type of comments on here (I'm looking at you, bsox) or when I read that they Royals will never even get out of the cellar of the AL Central, I wonder what those Royal-haters would like the franchise to do? Fold up shop? Request contraction from baseball altogether? In 2003, the AL Central was pretty much the Comedy Central. Now it's a powerhouse division; things change, this is how they change. The Royals have made an investment in their club-- even if it seems like a dumb investment, it's better investment than they've done in almost a decade. Relax. We'll get there.

Not even the Yankees were bought in a day.