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Rangers Acquire Brandon McCarthy For Danks And Masset

In a quite unexpected move, the White Sox have traded starter Brandon McCarthy to Texas for top prospects John Danks and Nick Masset.

The Sox were interested in Masset at least a month ago, considering trading Brian Anderson to the Rangers.  Masset, a righthander, will turn 25 in May.  Baseball America ranked him eighth among Ranger prospects.  He had Tommy John surgery as a senior in high school, which could be viewed as a positive (given that his new tendon/ligament doesn't have a lifetime of wear and tear on it).  Masset converted to relief this year and was able to dial his fastball into the high 90s.  He could be yet another hard thrower in Chicago's explosive bullpen in 2007.

Danks, a southpaw, turns 22 in April.  He was the Rangers' best prospect according to BA.  He throws three solid pitches and has pitched well in the minors despite being young for his levels.  He'll compete for the fifth spot in Chicago's rotation.  He's the prize of the deal.

While B-Mac has 150 innings of Major League experience, it'd be tough to argue that he's worth as much as Danks and Masset combined.  The 23 year-old was confined to the bullpen in 2006 because the Sox had no openings in the rotation. With groundball rates around 37%, McCarthy doesn't seem particularly suited for Ameriquest.  He'll still be a valuable commodity if he can find a way to keep the ball in the yard.  You can view my RotoAuthority projection of McCarthy as a Ranger here.

No one thought Kenny Williams would trade McCarthy, but it looks like he got an offer he couldn't refuse.  You have to admire that he has a plan and he's sticking to it.

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Great move by the Rangers Kenny Williams looks bad in another trade in my oppion

CWS seem to be trying to see how little rotation they can have left

ok what the hell is kenny doing?? I thought the garcia trade only made sense cuz he was opening the spot for mcarthy. this to me is stupid!!! everyone keeps saying he's spending wisely and all this other bullcrap but the sox have made a big deal about mccarthy for 3 years now and then you just get rid of him and garcia for prospects? wierd

Hilarious stuff cause the Sox website posted a story today talking about XMas coming early for McCarthy with Garcia being traded and him moving into the roation HAHAHAHAHA
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061220&content_id=1765276&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

Hey if the rangers land zito they have a pretty decent rotation for once.

Zito
Millwood
Padilla
McCarthy
Tejeda?

Not bad at all

That was a really good article too Yose.

All this guy has probably wanted the last few years is to get a starting gig for the White Sox, and when he finally gets to the 5yard line, bang, traded.

McCarthy is going to get creamed in that park... not that I liked him as a pitching prospect ANYWAY.

Still, a bad trade by Kenny 'Fourth best GM in the division' Williams.

Very bad trade for the Rangers, McCarthy is overrated and Danks will be at least a #2 starter. I guess John Daniels just couldn't wait to trade the Rangers best prospect.

Danks is the one who's overrated- Eric Hurley is the Rangers top prospect. I think this is a great trade- McCarthy is major league ready, had better numbers in the minors than Danks, and is only a year older.

'McCarthy is major league ready'

Yeah, "ready" to get pounded squarely in the tuchus.

I think White Sox fans tend to be nearly as disingenuous as Braves fans. I think one week ago they were saying they didn't need Freddy Garcia because studly Brandon McCarthy is ready to kick ass and chew gum, and you guessed it, he's out of bubble gum.

Now he's crap. I think we've all seen this before.

My take? I think Kenny Williams, who doesn't get the better of all the deals people say he does, got the better of this deal. Danks is far from sure-fire, but really neither is McCarthy anymore. I like the White Sox as winners of this deal.

Also, ChiSox got Jacob Rasner and Texas got minor league outfielder David Paisano.

This one of those take a step back to stay competitive longer sort of deals? I can't figure this one out for the White Sox. Doesn't make much sense on the Rangers side either unless they have no faith in Danks.

Contrary to what most are thinking, the best player in the deal is Nick Masset. Danks' upside of being a #2 starter is a longshot at best (but he can still be an above average middle-to-back of the rotation starter). He doesn't have the ace stuff and his hype was generated from the DVD prospects gimmick. Masset's upside is a shutdown closer and if the season started today he'd be an above average late inning reliever (6/7/8 inning type). McCarthy is nothing special and the fact he is a flyball pitcher is a liability. He's not a bad pitcher but he's a bad fit in Texas.

I like KW's philosophy of stockpiling young pitching, but this is the second deal (Freddy deal the other one) that I don't like the result of. First off, McCarthy himself is young pitching, and a more sure bet than Danks, even if his upside isn't quite as high. I'd take the sure thing. BMac's numbers don't really show the whole story, because he's been dominant as a starter since mid-2005. It was being a reliever that he had trouble with, although when he entered the game in long relief, he was also dominant much of the time.

The White Sox don't benefit for a year, and McCarthy will get blown up in Arlington, without a ton more upside anyway.

Williams and Hicks have really outdone themslves this time; they have managed to totally fuck each other over. There were two short ends on this stick.

palehose i disliked the Neal Cotts one as well

I should point out that U.S. Cellular actually inflates HRs more than Ameriquest.

So who's the White Sox 5th Starter??

'I should point out that U.S. Cellular actually inflates HRs more than Ameriquest.'

I'd also like to point out that his ERA will rise at least half a run as a starter. To me, that's getting pounded in the tuchus.

This is the second trade that Daniels has made like this in two years (Young for Eaton), and the first one certainly did not work out...and Danks definitely has more potential than Chris Young.

Getting Danks, Gio Gonzalez and Gavin Floyd make a nice set of almost-ready pitching prospects (except for the fact that Floyd really sucks).

One question though...who is going to be the 5th starter for CWS? Certainly none of the above trio I would think.

obviously this deal will have no impact on the rangers still going after zito. what are the chances that they still persue mulder now?

"I'd also like to point out that his ERA will rise at least half a run as a starter. To me, that's getting pounded in the tuchus."

Although that's a general rule of thumb for relief ERA's, it should be noted that McCarthy was a completely different pitcher when he started games. In starts, McCarthy has been dominant since mid-2005. I follow the White Sox religiously, and anybody else like me will tell you the same.

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The White Sox don't benefit for a year, and McCarthy will get blown up in Arlington, without a ton more upside anyway.

Williams and Hicks have really outdone themslves this time; they have managed to totally fuck each other over. There were two short ends on this stick."

Couldn't agree more. I'm not surprised he moved McCarthy, but why the hell did he trade him to get younger. He's only 23. What the hell?

And for the Rangers it doesn't make sense because they probably could've gotten much more for a combo of Danks and Masset.

Utterly stupid deal for both teams. I don't know how Kenny manages to do it, but he's made two trades this winter that managed to benefit no team at all. Except perhaps the rest of the AL Central.

"This is the second trade that Daniels has made like this in two years (Young for Eaton), and the first one certainly did not work out...and Danks definitely has more potential than Chris Young."

Yes, but 1) Young already had success in the majors, 2) Eaton was a year from free agency, moving from the NL to the AL, and quite injury-prone, 3) They also gave up Gonzalez (Young for Eaton and Otsuka would still be a loss, but not nearly as bad).

I too think Danks is a bit overrated so I think this is a pretty good deal for Texas, especially once you compare the other two players (I know nothing about either, but Paisano looks better than Rasner thus far).


Either Williams has something up his sleeve (doubt it) or the Sox will just let the kids compete for the 5th spot. I guess Floyd would have to be the favorite?

I still find it hard to believe the Sox didn't get a LF/CF who can hit at all in both of these SP trades.

this trade to me is really disturbing, obviously kenny knows what he's doing, the man put together a great rotation but y is he dismantling it now. I know he want to keep the rotation young and "cheap" but come on how cheap is he gonna be? its not like these prospects have great numbers they actually have mediocre numbers but they do have potential. but potential doesn't always pan out and know he's pratically given away 2 solid starters in hoping his cheap new talent can come through. this is dangerous for kenny if they don't produce he could go from the pride of the southside front office to the dumbass.

how is it that the sox trade away two starting pitchers yet dont fill their largest hole position wise, CF? And what do they have SP wise for the 2008 season? I have no doubt that buerhle will be heading back home to St. Louis and then you have Javier Vasquez's contract running out? So the only guys they have are Garland, Contreras, and Danks?

ESPN said the Rangers were out of the running for Zito. since when? if so, Suppan would be a perfect groundball pitcher for them to overpay on.

Danks, Contreras, Garland, Broadway, Floyd, and then possibly Haeger, Phillips, McCulloch, and maybe Sisco if he pans out.

I thinks its ok to say the sox are taking a huge risk by trading away there starters for cheaper talent. although I do see it as smart baseball moves for the future but what if they don't pan out? he's willing to trade his proven starters just cuz he's worried about how much he'll have to pay up. kenny just said on tv that he "was" untouchable unless a proposal was made that blew them away and I'm sorry but what he got in return was hardly mind blowing. I've got tons of sox fans that are ticked off on how kennys turning into a jackass and not even filling there needs. he's instead dismantling what made them champs.

how is mcarthy any more proven then danks or masset? Mccarthy has a decent season out of the pen i wouldnt say he is proven at the big league level, at all. You people r too quick to judge. Atleast reserve judgement until u see the dudes play

ok Kenny you won fucktard of the offseason with the garcia trade now this BS WFT are u thinking?
no major league talent from any trade. you have made the team worse. way to move backward not every team is the marlins. did you fill any holes with your "surplus" of pitching? NO!!

I would not go that far. The garcia trade was obvious and everyone knew it was coming, so i dont know what you are mad about. The sox got young pitching in return for them, and that is always what teams need.

People have overblown how good garcia is. If the sox didnt have that big of an offense, how many of those games do you think Garcia would have actualy won? Everyone seems to look at the recent 4 game streak he had towards the end of season, and nothing before that. Sure he was a solid inning eater, but everyone knew the trade was coming, and everyone knew the sox wanted pitching prospects in return, since KW said that.

Heck, ozzie even said when asked about getting rowand back that "We have a centerfielder". That is not a problem. Your talking about a high end defender in CF who is young and is growing. He came back from a horrible start to finish much better, and we dont need offense from him as long as his defense stays in tact.

Now with this trade, while certainly unexpected, i think chicago is too high on mccarthy. Danks is projected to be better than Mccarthy, Garland, and is left handed. While he wont start next year, he may in 08 or 09. Sounds like masset will make the team in the bullpen, giving the sox a very hard throwing explosive bullpen.

While i understand the immediate bitching from people saying "KW is retarded" and " I will not buy a ticket", thats fine. But you need to wait these types of things out. Sox have a huge selection of pitching prospects now, and there is possible this was just the set up for another trade, or even a signing. KW is known for making trades out of nowhere.

Yea its a shame Mccarthy never got to become a starter for the sox, but keep in mind he never proved anything like people say. He pitched a full season in the bullpen and was nothing special. He was good at teh end of 2005, but that is a very small sample size. Everyone brings to point his high hr ratio, and how that will be a problem for him. Its a shame he is good, but a trade for the top pitching prospect in texas, and masset is hard to decline.

The sox won everything is 05, and i am grateful for that. I would prefer them to not win in 07 and be able to create a young solid rotation and bullpen to carry them from 2008-2012 than to be good this year, and than lose all of their starters at the end of 2009.

I will not pass finaly judgement until the season starts and we know the full roster. like rotoworld says, mccarthys upside has been overblown, and that is when you need to trade someone.

Im sorry. How many people that have called Williams retarded, stupid or "another terrible trade" are fans of a team whose current GM has WON a world series?

A common fan would not understand this trade. They rarely do.

I will not bash McCarthy. He did not suddenly become terrible. But Kenny has a plan. (Right or wrong will be proven)

The Sox take their scouting seriously and the Texas prospects have been looked at to no end by them. I will say this loud and clear. Williams has earned the benefit of doubt.

And the Sox bullpen will be nasty next year.

If Kenny can take some of the excessive arms and secure an outfielder. This offseason will be a success.

I fail to see how because he didnt spend $200 million, on which some teams clearly did for "okay" talent he has lost his mind.

"People have overblown how good garcia is. If the sox didnt have that big of an offense, how many of those games do you think Garcia would have actualy won? Everyone seems to look at the recent 4 game streak he had towards the end of season, and nothing before that. Sure he was a solid inning eater, but everyone knew the trade was coming, and everyone knew the sox wanted pitching prospects in return, since KW said that. "

You have to remember though, Jason Jennings got a MUCH higher return, despite being similar contractually, and a lesser pitcher. He had better numbers in 2006, but Garcia's track record is WAYYY better, plus he was pitching with a tired shoulder (in baseball toughest division) most of the year.

I like the philosophy of young pitching, but McCarthy WAS young pitching. Daniels said it best when he said the jump from AAA to MLB is the toughest in baseball, and McCarthy has already made that and has less questions (even if he has a slightly lower ceiling).

I will openly admit, I don't know a ton about Masset. From what I hear word of mouth though, I will agree the bullpen of the White Sox looks pretty effing crazy. Five guys with 95+ mph fastballs.

I don't expect a huge payroll by any means. I would actually love this deal if it was Garland instead of McCarthy and we could shed some payroll. But even going back to the Freddy deal, we saved about 10M. I WILL be pissed if I don't see some money put into the team other than Toby effing Hall. Reinsdorf got his seats full, got his cash freed up, so I want to see some reinvestment in the team. Something reasonable of course, not 7 years 130M on anybody, but something.

"Im sorry. How many people that have called Williams retarded, stupid or "another terrible trade" are fans of a team whose current GM has WON a world series?"

I think that reasoning, the reasoning that GMs who have won a World Series recently can do no wrong, is foolish. Walt Jocketty's moves with the Cards lately haven't been great. Since he won the World Series that means the Mark Mulder trade was a good one? No it wasn't. It stunk. I don't think trading Carlos Lee for Podsednik is a smart move either.

Theo Epstein trading Mike Gonzalez for Jeff Suppan was a crap deal. Theo Epstein letting Johnny Damon go just to give more money to J.D. Drew was a crap deal. The Marlins traded Derrek Lee for Hee Seop Choi was a crap deal. All teams that have won World Serieses around the time of the move, all crap deals.

If you want evidence of how a team that won a World Series can go downhill in the decision making department, just look at the Diamondbacks and their shabby decisionmaking after 2001.

"I don't think trading Carlos Lee for Podsednik is a smart move either."

There is definately validity to everything you said, but I have to disagree with this. Stright up, yes this was lopsided. But at the time the White Sox had a budet of about $75M. With the money they freed up in this deal, they signed Pierzynski, Iguchi, and El Duque. This move filled the MAJOR holes the White Sox had (2B, C, fifth starter).

And even though I'm not a fan of this deal, the potential for long term SP's on the Southside are pretty enviable. Especially if you consider both Sisco and Masset carry the possibility of reconversion to starting.

The big problem here, is you guys hav no clue how good a pitching prospect Gio Gonzalez is.

The McCarthy deal is about even, with the edge going to the Sox for getting a strong arm for the pen and another lefty with big upside.

McCarthy is ok. He will be a #3 starter at best.

Gio Gonzalez is a better pitcher than McCarthy within 6 months.

McCarthy is a fly ball righty that tops out at 90. He can barely scrape 91.

This is brilliant foresight by Kenny Williams. He's a black GM so he will never get the vote of confidence amongst predominantly white fans.

Kenny Williams is taking an unorthodox approach at preparing for the future and kept his highest upside arms so far in Contreras, Buerhle and Vazquez.

Young pitching is impossible to acquire right now. Young lefty pitching just cant be had.

Kenny Williams just restocked with 2 great young lefty arms and added depth to his minor league roster as well.

Well done by Kenny Williams. It taks balls to do what he is doing. These are great moves for both the long term and present for the team.

A barren White Sox system is quickly being restocked.

I do know how good of a prospect Gio Gonzalez is. He's the third best prospect in the White Sox' system, he's got a good fastball for a lefty, with what is said to be sneaky velocity, but is clocked at 90-93. He's got a hammer curve with some control issues, and a decent changeup. He doesn't get hit often, and strikes out a lot of guys, but he also has trouble commanding his secondary pitches, and therefore throws too many "getmeover" fastballs that get creamed. He's still very young, so I think those are things he'll be able to work out. Will he be better than McCarthy in 6 months? No. That's one of the stupidest things I've read in a while. He'll be in the minor leagues in 6 months. That's not a knock on him, that's just a reality.

As for pulling the race card, that wasn't really necessary. If anything, he has mroe blind confidence than most GM's do if you talk to enough White Sox fans (which believe me is impressive, because White Sox fans have been trained to trust nothing, although that has waned a little since 2005). I'm a big believer in race still being a major, and mostly subconscious, factor in how people perceive each other (especially in the case of athletes), but I don't really think this is much of a factor in this case. It's an ultra-controversial move, so of course people will not like it, me being one of them.

It's likely KW isn't done for the offseason, but at this point, although we've upgraded the likelihood of a positive future, we've downgraded our present fairly substantially. Given that we won 90 games last year, and a World Series before that, it's confusing. I'm definately all for some future preservations, but there are still holes that haven't been filled, and there is now an additional hole (5th starter) that is just as questionable.

Dental plan where exactly did I say that a GM who won a WS can do no wrong? I am re reading my comments and I dont see that at all.

Besides even your supposed proof makes little sense and has as much to do with what Kenny is doing as the price of tea in China.

Ill say it again knowledgeable fans can see what Williams is doing. The fact that he has WON a WS and HAS a plan gives him the benefit of doubt.

The Sox scouted the Ranger guys for over a year. This deal wasnt about money. It was about talent. And people stop acting like he traded away Roger Clemens. He didnt.

I do think he will make a move for an outfielder. And last time I checked the season doesnt start on Jan 1.

PS as a blak man, IMO this issue has nothing to do with race.

How can anyone complain about a trade where you get two good pitchers for 1 good pitcher?

I'm a Sox fan that was just as anxious as everyone else to see McCarthy pitch, but now I'm excited to see Danks AND Masset. If these guys can keep an ERA of 4.5 or less then they'll win 15 games.

I also predict a trade with Tampa Bay in the near future.

Obviously Masset won't win 15 games. I was referring to the other starters the Sox acquired.

striker, I agree that it's fun to watch these young guys develop and stuff. That's partly what I dislike about watching McCarthy go because I've been following his progression for a few years. But the part that I don't like is that we didn't save any money, and there are more questions around Danks than McCarthy at this point. Danks likely has a higher upside, but the chance of him being a bust is also likely higher, as he's not as far along as Brandon.

The other starter we got from Texas doesn't seem to have much upside at all, but I'm saying that just from his numbers, so who knows. Masset looks to be solid from what I hear, and I am looking foward to watching what should be an overpowering bullpen.

Oh, and I also wouldn't be surprised to see a deal with Tampa. Even the Angels maybe in some package deal with Crede. Danks/Crede for Figgins/Lackey? I dunno, just throwing something out. That deal probably wouldn't work.

On paper I like this deal because I think that Masset is the difference maker. Danks and McCarthy may be a wash, but Masset gives the White Sox an incredibly ferocious bullpen with about 6 guys that throw in the high 90's (but walk a lot of people as well)

Thornton
Masset
McDougal
Jenks
Aardsma
Floyd? Sisco?

But the competition for the 5th starters spot should be amazing. There are literally 8 people in the running for this spot, although I think that Haeger is the early favorite and that Masset will be in the pen.

Floyd
Heath Phillips
Charlie Haeger
Gio
Sisco
Danks
Masset
Lance Broadway

But again, the problem here seems to be that the whitesox OF has one superstar and two very very poor options. Kenny has done a lot to prepare for 2008 and beyond, but has failed to address the teams two most glaring needs. Its still early so he has time to make a move, but I still dont think the Sox can win the division without a real CFer or LFer. But with a Baldelli or a Rios type figure, there lineup becomes bery deep and their bullpen may be able to give them the final push, provided that 79 year old Jose Contreras stays healthy.

Maybe now KW can afford thr rediculous price of Carl Crawford. I hope he trades Crede(and who knows maybe even Podsednik and Anderson, we have options) and perhaps a reliever for the 5th starter(E. Santana? Lackey?) and...more prospects. Seriously, below AA we're a drybox.

Not just below AA, we have absolutely no IF prospects other than Fields. And I mean none, zero, nada.

beau and buehrlebro I couldnt agree more. This team will be able to compete with a dynamic AL Central for the next few years.

I think the Sox are "okay" this year but to become a fav they absolutely have to address the OF. Even Rocco would be a huge upgrade. I think Crawford is a pipe dream.

Yeah, all of our top prospects are in the upper levels almost, although Cunningham appears to have a ton of promise. Again though, he's an OF.

"Dental plan where exactly did I say that a GM who won a WS can do no wrong? I am re reading my comments and I dont see that at all."

That is essentially what you've said.

"The big problem here, is you guys hav no clue how good a pitching prospect Gio Gonzalez is."

This would be all more convincing if White Sox fans hadn't crapped on him when he was traded in the first place. Now that he's been re-acquired and coming off a disappointing season, he's supposed to be the next coming? Booo.

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