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Cards Negotiating With Joel Pineiro
Cardinals interim GM John Mozeliak has already exercised Jason Isringhausen's option and re-signed Russ Springer. Next up: hammer out a multiyear pact with Joel Pineiro before he files for free agency.
Pineiro wants to start next year, and the Cardinals are definitely on board with that. They have roughly $20MM to spend for at least two starters and a shortstop. Some of that will probably have to come via the trade market.
I don't expect Pineiro to come cheap. He posted a 3.96 ERA in 11 starts for the Cards, his first taste of the National League. He bears some similarities to fellow future free agent Kyle Lohse, in that they're relatively young and revived their careers in the NL. Pineiro was HR-prone as a Cards starter, but he showed a career-low walk rate.
If he were to hit the open market, Pineiro would surely match Jason Marquis' three-year, $21MM contract. Wouldn't surprise me to see him get the 3/25 of an Adam Eaton or Miguel Batista. Surely Pineiro's agent, Arn Tellem, is aware of this. If Pineiro doesn't test the waters, it would imply that he's willing to settle for less money to remain a Cardinal. I don't see the Cards giving him a three-year deal.
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So not only us a guy going to make a bunch more money thanks to a small sample size that's not very predictive, but we're talking about getting a serious raise for allowing 11 homers in 60 innings!
I would argue that would stabilize and he's the same guy he's been since 2004. Better than his ERA, but not good.
But a 60 inning ERA? I understand why the Cardinals are negotiating with him now: so they can get him below "market value" (still stupid) but I can't believe that teams are this stupid.
Posted by: plh903 | October 13, 2007 at 01:55 PM
Not stupid, desperate for arms.
Posted by: nrmax88 | October 13, 2007 at 03:45 PM
He's had success a few years ago(good 2.5 year between 01-03) and he flashed a little bit of it this year. His stuff seems kind of underwhelming when he came out of bullpen for Boston this year so he's probably not that great anymore. But given the crop, if they can sign him for something like 2 years for 10 million, seems like a reasonable gamble with their needs (Carpenter out half a year, Mulder might never receover to be his old self, and Reyes can't figure it out)
Posted by: zs190 | October 13, 2007 at 04:12 PM
I'm hoping the Cards get this deal done soon, before Joel files for free agency. He's been the only bright spot in all of the "sort through the trash" type of acquisitions they made this season. I don't think he's worth 7 or 8 million, but I'm sure other teams will give it to him. The Cardinals need starting pitching, and he's as good as most of the free agents to be.
Posted by: mikeonthecards | October 13, 2007 at 04:43 PM
The fact that average to below-average pitchers can command these kinds of contracts makes me want to throw up a little.
Two or three years ago, signing Piniero to a contract like this might have made some sense. Now? Ugh.
One shudders at the contract offers awaiting Jeff Weaver.
Posted by: Alec_Berrrg | October 13, 2007 at 04:52 PM
I know this doesnt mean ishh, but for what it is worth Pineiro pitched the 3rd best game I watched this year. After the Santana 18k game and the Maine 14 K 7.2 no hit ball game, Pineiro's shutout against the Mets was an absolute masterpiece. I was very impressed. No chance the Cards can lock him up for 2/10 with some incentives and mutual options? I dont know, he can probably get more, but you would think that about 1 quarter of a good season shouldnt get him a gaurunteed 3/21.
Posted by: nrmax88 | October 13, 2007 at 05:18 PM
"Not stupid, desperate for arms."
I had no idea those things were mutually exclusive.
Posted by: plh903 | October 13, 2007 at 11:55 PM
Johan santana for cards
Posted by: xavi010789 | October 14, 2007 at 06:57 AM
Joel Pineiro has shown signs of having great stuff and being able to win games at a young age. He now moved over to the Cards and has re-vamped his career to a degree. Depending on the money they offer, it may be stupid, but it also could be a smart signing because it is pretty low risk. If a team gives him a gaurunteed 3 years for 20 mil, then sure, they are stupid. If a team can get him to sign an incentive laden deal in the NL for 2 years with a couple of options and some somewhat easily attainable incentives. Compared to what else is on the market, if the right team in the right place signs Joel he could flourish. For teams that need pitching, there arent much better options, and atleast Pineiro will come somewhat cheaply and short term.
Posted by: nrmax88 | October 14, 2007 at 11:27 AM
"If a team can get him to sign an incentive laden deal in the NL for 2 years with a couple of options and some somewhat easily attainable incentives"
just to finish that though, meant to say that if a team can figure out how to get a whole season out of him like the 60 innings he pitched for St Louis, minus the home run ball, he could easily end up as the best FA signing of the winter. Just dont give him 20 mil gaurunteed. During a 500 inning span from 2001 to 2003, Pineiro looked like he could be destined for stardom. Maybe he is finally starting to put it back together.
Posted by: nrmax88 | October 14, 2007 at 11:32 AM
If a team could figure out how to get the 60 innings that Kip Wells pitched in Jul/Aug 2007 out of Kip Wells, for an entire season, it'd be the signing of the year!
Get rid of the 4 taters he gave up over those 60 innings and he's Lefty Carlton Gibson! Can some team do that? I hope it's the Cardinals again!
Posted by: plh903 | October 14, 2007 at 10:21 PM
kind of like hoping for Jason Marquis' April numbers for a whole year...except the Cubs are paying 7 mil for his services.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | October 15, 2007 at 11:50 AM