Mets Talked To Giants About Lowry

Mets fans...

What would Mets offer for Lowry now?

Ryan Church? I don't know, I'm not really a fan of Lowry... I mean, that 87/87 K/BB rate is terrifying..

The Mets offered Milledge for Lowry? What the hell was Sabean thinking when he turned that down?

Hopefully this means Sabean thinks he can do better, but i don't see how thats possible.

Agreed. The Mets wouldn't move Martinez or Gomez for him, but Ryan Church shouldn't be enough. Otherwise there really isn't much to offer unless the Mets wanted Humber or Pelfrey, and I dont think the Mets would move Pelfrey

Apparently NL West teams have asked, but Sabean doesn't want to trade within division.

I don't care...if it is a good trade, who cares where he goes. Not like we are sending Matt Cain to the Dodgers...

Are you serious? Milledge isn't even in Lowry's league. He is a Left Handed starter, and proven winner who is only 26 years old. Lowry could win 15-17 games with the Mets offense.

With the league's "worst" offense last year he still won 14 games.

i'm ok trading lowry, but only for good value. he battled injuries most of last year. if he's healthy for a full season, he's an upper echelon young lefty

Church playing full time can put up decent numbers...maybe a reliever added?

Milledge not even in Lowry's league? That's hilarious.... Lowry isn't in Milledge's league. Milledge has the potential to be a very good OF. Lowry is at best, a decent #4 starter...

What are you talking about Hyro? Milledge has done what in the Major Leagues? Nothing.

Lowry has a proven record as a winner, regardless of his offense's anemic performance. It is also important to note that "potential very good OF's" are a dime a dozen while proven LHP with an established reputation are much harder to find. Lowry is only 26 years old.

Lowry's a back of the rotation starter. Those are a dime a dozen.

You are right nom3k. They are so dime a dozen that teams are willing to pay pitchers like Carlos Silva and Hideki Kuroda 10+ million dollars a year to fill out their 5 slot.

Lowry on the other hand will cost a total of less that 13 million for ALL 3 years remaining on his contract. Good thing cheap starter contracts like his are everywhere.

People view Silva and Kuroda better than back ends for some reason...

But Juice, face it. Lowry isn't GOOD. His ERA was a fluke. People who walk as many as they strikeout like Lowry don't post ERAs under 4. If Lowry doesn't get his K rate up, he won't last long in this league...

I don't think Minaya would offer Gomez or Martinez for a player like Lowry (Why would he for someone with a K/BB reminiscent of Steve Trachsel).

So we're probably talking about someone like Ryan Church, Ruben Gotay, or if the Mets want to get creative they could send some money with Carlos Delgado and a prospect like Mike Carp or Nick Evans to replace him after his contract is up. Of course, you'd likely have to add a pitching prospect with each of them to help even things up.

I think Lowry could be a real sleeper acquisition for somebody this off-season.

I understand how you might be afraid of his periperals Hyro, but to say he is not good is inaccurate. Lets take a quick look at his career stats which are a much better reflection of his ability/perfomance than a single season:

Record: 40-31
ERA: 4.03
K/BB: 1.7
K/9: 6.11

Although there are plenty more stats one could analyze, a brief look at those numbers suggest he is nothing close to an average MLB starter, especially considering he is 26.

I'm more interested in the sudden lack of Strikeouts coming from Lowry? Arm problems maybe? 2 Years ago I would have been alot more interested then I am now. Mainly because I don't see how he can continue pitching at a high rate until those peripherals improve.

He did pitch through elbow soreness last year, but it was surprising to see his walks so high. Noah isn't a power pitcher, but known more for his ability to change speeds and keep the ball in the ballpark. His change-up still remains one of the best in the majors and he needs to re-establish his fastball command in order to be effective.

If Noah gets sold for 10 cents on the dollar, whoever gets him will be blessed.

With Peterson's help, Maine, Lowry, and Perez could be the next Zito/Hudson/Mulder.

C-Gouds' UltimateBaseball your joking right. Are you on something, I never heard something this dumb in my life! Perez sucks, maine is overated, Lowry is also overated. Zito/ Hudson/ Mulder were on of the best 1,2,3 guys ever. Look Met fans, deal withit your team sucks. I think Hughes, Joba, and Kennedy have a better cahnce but I highly doubt it.

"Are you serious? Milledge isn't even in Lowry's league. He is a Left Handed starter, and proven winner who is only 26 years old. Lowry could win 15-17 games with the Mets offense.

With the league's "worst" offense last year he still won 14 games."

He's also a philly killer, which should definitely make him more attractive to the Mets.

wow man i wouldnt mind him on the mets hes got good numbers bur his era could be better 3.92 is alot close to 4.00 so i will just ignore that but other than that hes a young quality starter

Yankfan1, no offense, but your a RETARD. Perez doesn't suck, if you looked at his stats last year, they were very good, but trolls like you don't use stats. Maine's a very good pitcher as well.

Our team sucks? Good luck with the Red Sox..

Oh, and Hughes, Joba, and Kennedy are supremely overrated.

Good luck with the Phillies and Braves.

Whoever said Maine and Perez suck is a psycho. Two pitchers under 26 who posted K/9 over 8.00, H/9 under 8.00, ERAs under 4.00. Oh yeah and they each won 15 games, Maine in his first full season. Maine nearly got to 200 IP and Perez was only 3 away from 180. They could both stand to cut down on the BBs, but its not out of control, They were both in the 75-77 range. They're not bonafide aces, but they're excellent #3 types if not solid #2s, and they're definitely young enough to continue improvinng.

I do however agree that Maine/Lowry/Perez can't possibly be as good as Zito/Mulder/Hudson. If the Mets did nab an ace off the trade market (regardless of anyone's opinion of whether they can or not), that guy plus Maine and Perez would have a shot to rival those three

Lowry isnt better then Pedro, he isnt better then El Duque, he isnt better then Maine, he isnt better then Perez, he just isnt very good. If you want to give him to us for free, I'll have him, but thats about it.

"Record: 40-31
ERA: 4.03
K/BB: 1.7
K/9: 6.11"

Am I supposed to be impressed by any of those numbers?

yankfan, perez shut down the yankees in his two starts vs them this season.

But he is a lefty, I thought Peterson fixed all things left handed.

Come on nrmax how have you not gotten in on the who is a better franchise the Cubs or the Royals back and forth? It's mind boggling.

The Yanks might be better then the Mets, but I would rather be in the Mets shoes then the Yankees. Boston is already sick, and may add Santana, Toronto has a dirty pitching staff, and should hit better this year. You also have to face Cleveland, Detroit, LAa, etc. It will be easier for the Mets to win the NL East in 2008 then it will be for the Yankees to win the wildcard.

"Come on nrmax how have you not gotten in on the who is a better franchise the Cubs or the Royals back and forth? It's mind boggling. "

Cuz I dont want catch malaria and die :)

Good call.

I want Gomez for Lowry. If not, then you can't have him. Keeping him rounds out our rotation anyway. Since we won't be able to hit, we need to hang onto all of our pitchers to trade for MLB-ready prospects. If you won't give us Gomez, we'll hold out for another blue-chipper--teams always get desperate quality starting pitching one point or another.

I'm not trading Lowry for a veteran (i.e. Matsui, Inge, Tejada, et. al).

I would've traded Lowry for Milledge in a heartbeat.

Mets, when you decide you want to make a big boy offer for a good, cheap starting pitcher, then gives us a call.

Cain and Lincecum are off limits--you don't have the offensive prospects.

With the Giants wanting Matsui and the Mets wanting Lowry, anyone think a 3-team deal with the Giants, Mets, and Yankees can be worked out? Yankees wouldn't want Lowry whose name has been brought up a lot because their rotation is set, Lowry playing in NL, and a bad BB/K ratio. (I'm not saying he's bad, but he's just not a good fit in the AL East)

Mets Get:
Lowry
Giants Get:
Matsui
Gotay?
Yankees Get:
Joe Smith
A few guys else from Mets (can't really think of something right now)

(Please don't yell at me if the trade looks terrible (-:. Just suggestions to make it better.)

It just doesnt make sense. Maybe they go after Lowry as a smaller piece in a bigger deal or something. He isnt anything more then a 5 for the Mets, and even then Pelfrey, Humber, Mulvey or another guy who comes out of nowhere could out perform him. There is absolutely no way I would even consider Gomez. Lowry is a number 5 with no upside. I dont care how cheap he is.

When will people realize how mediocre Lowry is? He isn't worth crap. He would get pounded in the NL East by the Phillies and Braves. If he's gotten for someone like Gotay and a PTBNL that would be fair but he's not worth a top prospect, and not even close to Milledge in value.

"When will people realize how mediocre Lowry is? He isn't worth crap. He would get pounded in the NL East by the Phillies and Braves. If he's gotten for someone like Gotay and a PTBNL that would be fair but he's not worth a top prospect, and not even close to Milledge in value."

Im not here to say Lowry is great but last time i checked the D-backs, Rockies, and Padres all are better or equal to the braves. Personally i think Lowry is in a better league

Did you just quote and respond to yourself?

Lowry would get pounded in the NL East? Really? Maybe you should check some stats before you speak.

In 2007:

Lowry vs. Phillies
2 GS, 3.29 ERA, 13.2 IP, 10 H, 5 ER, 0 HR, 3 BB, 9 SO

In 2007 Lowry vs. Braves
1 GS, 1.13 ERA, 8 IP, 7 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 4 SO

since when do the padres or d-backs have an equal line-up to the braves (since that is the only relevant part of the argument?

and one game is quite a sample size

"Im not here to say Lowry is great but last time i checked the D-backs, Rockies, and Padres all are better or equal to the braves. Personally i think Lowry is in a better league"

Good job. Another spot where the poster should be glad the post had no name next to it. The Diamondbacks, padres and Rockies hit better then the braves? Really? No they dont, or the Mets, or the Phillies. It seems like we say it every day, but how somebody could claim it is tougher to pitch in the NL West then the NL East just makes you wonder what is wrong with people. The funny thing is that you left out the Dodgers who are pretty much the only team who can hit at all in that division, atleast since Kemp and Loney came up. The Rockies will hit when you face them at home, but their big guns arent as dangerous on the road.

What would the mets even offer in this deal? The Mets don't have a lot of offense that they are willing to trade. And Brian Sabean doesn't even want prospects. Sabean wants MLB ready players, which Omar Minaya will not agree on [unless he's not that smart.] This trade is never gonna happen.