Bedard Traded To Mariners?

Who else could the Orioles be getting here? Mike Morse? It can't be a one-for-one.

Awesome! Finally a big trade!! Santana is NEXT!!!

Felix and Bedard are gona steam roll people.....anything in their path will be destroyed.

I think the M's should trade for Crisp now, would give them a great defense and push Ichiro back to right

Its going to be a really good battle for the AL west and for the AL wild card.

This is great who are the other players? If it's a one for one the o's got fleeced I don't think thats the case though. Exciting stuff!

The division is for the Phillies?

Good luck replacing Rowand's overachieving play with Geoff friggin Jenkins.

Can't wait to face Lidge in that bandbox.

The fact of the matter is the NL East is a three team race, and you can't really pick a favorite.

Hell, I'm a Mets fan, and I even refuse to call them the favorites.

Check your homerism at the door please.

Awesome trade for the mariners, definitely makes them the second best team in the AL West and a possible suitor of the wildcard. If they were also able to hold on to Balentin, Morrow, and Tunifil, it is an even bigger win for them. Adam Jones is very hard to give up, but the mariners needed the pitching to contend, and they have the money to possibly extend bedard.

And oh btw, SJPhilsFan, I do not think the phils are the favorites right now. The Braves have a pretty damn good offense and a staff that is better than the phils. Ill take my braves as the favorites.

I gotta go the other way. I think this is a big win for Baltimore. They got Jones plus likely a few other very good prospects and have continued to rebuild.

The Mariners aren't exactly a playoff team with this move. They were OUTSCORED last year by 20 runs. IE they should have won 78 games or so last year, not 88. They still can't win the West, and it's doubtful they can really compete for the WildCard AND they mortgaged their future.

The Orioles have the makings of a pretty good team in a couple years if they can deal Roberts for a few guys too.

And this is a non-biased take. I have no affiliation with either team or either teams' rivals.

oh, man. What I am hearing about who the Ms gave up is very interesting.

who did you hear?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22871543/

MSN is running the story now and has a quote by Jones.

Everyone at USS Mariner should be put on suicide watch.

I think the mariners did what they did in order to be able to contend over the next few years while their lower level talent develops.

Nice!!!

I havent heard Clement at all, wheres that from?

Totally unconfirmed. You won't be able to really trust a thing until the dust settles a bit.

Another thing now though is that Rosenthal is reporting the rumor too. So, with him, you'd think he'll take the time to confirm certain things. He hasn't gone beyond what has already been said, that is, Jones is involved and flying back to the US. The other players in question are still murky.

I am glad its over with maybee the Cubs could get Robert now.

well i have to say i am worried about the braves. but i am not worried at all about the mets

joemorgan, you're right, but a LOT of things would have to go right for them to truly contend, like last year, which just isn't likely again for at team to be that lucky.

Also, to get Bay, who could they possibly give up? They don't have much left to deal. I just don't see it.

I think if they offered up morrow and balentin for bay thats a good start point.I don't think the m's would do this but it is a possiblity.Would you?
My hope for the orioles is roberts for galager,marshall,and cedeno.After these deals the orioles will be okay in 2010 after all these terrible contracts are gone.

These means that the Os have added:

CF Adam Jones
SP Chris Tillman (unconfirmed)
C Clement (unconfirmed)
?? ?????????? (unconfirmed)
SP Troy Patton
OF Luke Scott
SP Matt Albers
RP Dennis Sarfate
3B Michael Costanzo

FOR

SP Erik Bedard
SS Miguel Tejada

And, it looks like a Roberts trade is imminent as well. You just can't see the Orioles keeping Roberts at this point if the rebuilding is on in full force. Hill is out of play without Bedard but all of a sudden, you're not even sure if the Os have the roster slots to add Pie even if they wanted to (not assuming that he'd be part of the trade). Seeing that I think you might have to assume that the Os trade of Roberts will see some pitchers coming back.

How are you not worried about the Mets, you idiot? They had a 7 game lead with 17 to go, and they had an historic collapse stop them, but this is the same team that led the division the entire year...and dont forget they are getting Santana...Lidge is terrible, especially in Philly's ballpark, he is gunna be destroyed, and the Philly rotation is probably worse than the Mets (Pedro, Maine, Perez, El Duque, Pelfrey) AND thats without Santana..the Phillies rotationis Hamels, Myers, Moyer (lol) Kendrick (haha) and Eaton (not even worth a laugh) and thats just the pitching staffs...the Phillies have a below average outfield with Burrell, Victorino, and Jenkins/Werth, and a huge hole at third base..the Mets have a much better outfield/third base situation with Beltran, Alou, Church, and Wright (good luck trying to match that) and the Mets have a better bullpen (Wagner, Heilman, Sanchez, Feliciano, Wise, Smith, Burgos, and Sosa) vs. (Lidge, Gordon, etc.)..and again, phillies fans, this is before Santana is traded to the Mets, and possibly Livan Hernandez to eat up 225 innings and let Pelfrey be another reliable reliever...good luck phils

If the Orioles have half a brain they will trade roberts. As a current orioles fan I'm not concerned if that will happen. I'm concerned about guys like payton,huff,millar and hernandez. These guys might have a little value to someone who will contend next year so I'm hopeing we can get something going here.

Ya, Pie doesn't really add anything to the O's at this point. He's much less of a talent than both Markakis and Jones. O's are really building. Good job by McPhail.

joemorgan, no I wouldn't give up those guys for Bay because then you're still in the "maybe" contender section and you have ZERO future. Just doesn't make sense.

Tim, I agree with you on Wilkerson. I'd guess he's next.

Sqweeek, I think wieters isn't a guarantee and clement could move to first base if needed. It's also nice to have as many good prospects as possible.

"Clement is convertable to a corner position, like first base."

Maybe, but from everything I've read about Clement isn't he suppose to be good defensively behind the plate? Seems odd that they would trade for him and convert him. My guess would be they would convert Wieters before doing that to Clement.

"Ya, Pie doesn't really add anything to the O's at this point. He's much less of a talent than both Markakis and Jones."

Sorry to say but I think Pie and Jones are pretty similar. I am not a fan of either and don't think either one will turn into anything special. Markakis is a stud though.

weiters is going to be a stud but he is not ready yet, tho defensively he has the major league catching skills
i think clement might be able to start now and they could always use him to bring back something in a trade when weiters is ready
plus now they can move ramon hernandez before the deadline if he plays well and increases his value
for an organization that hasnt had a young catcher in a very long time having two is not a problem

Don't discount Clement's value as a tradechip for Baltimore. It's the same principle as drafting the best available talent rather than drafting to positional needs. If you can get a potentially solid player at a position where talent is scarce, then you do it, stash him, and worry about spinning him later.

Clement is vastly overrated when it comes to his offense, Wieters is a far better prospect though obviously not as MLB ready. Not that any of this matters as he hasnt been referenced in the Bedard trade by anyone other than basemonkey.

Bedard is a huge addition! The offense is going to be anemic though. Now they are thinking about Wilkerson? Yuck.

Great rotation (at huge cost) and a crap offense isn't going to cut it.

Looks like Hendry's got Macfail by the balls now. Give em Gallagher and Marquis for Roberts.

Make it happen!!!

"Looks like Hendry's got Macfail by the balls now. Give em Gallagher and Marquis for Roberts"

No, not Marquis. We want Rich Hill...

Yeah, with Bedard off the table, Hill is as well

Cubs sorry guys we need at least gallagher and marshall. And really you might have to throw in cedeno. I would love to give you another guy and just eat his whole contract. Maybe huff or payton. Payton seems like a better matchup. At least you guys would get a decent backup in case pi blows.

Don't believe Roch. He's just pissed because the Baltimore Sun was scooped again.

Not sure what to think...but Roch saying so or not to me means quite a bit. He's one of those guys who has a direct line to MacPhail and can call him or anyone else in the Os org up. Not that Roch would have anymore leverage to get the absolute truth, but he does have access.

Not sure what to think anymore.

Now we are back where we atarted. MacPhail has denied all the rumors.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-os0127,0,5598077.story

does anyone think that with the impending bedard trade that the angels, feeling threatened by the m's, make an offer for santana?

Exactly. How are these stories in conflict at all? It just means physicals still have to be taken, which is consistent with the first reports, and Jones' comments.

"Now we are back where we atarted. MacPhail has denied all the rumors."

Of course, we all know that the cubs are going to get Bedard AND Roberts for 7 players who amount to a steaming pile of medicority...LMFAO!!!!

"Gallagher, Marshall, and Patterson was the original rumor for Roberts anyways"

Yes and that will get shot down as well. I think MacPhail has already let Hendry now..quality, not quantity. Anybody out here spoutting that Hendy has MacPhail by the balls should get a clue. Roberts is gonna cost at least one elite/difference maker propsect for this to get done. Any combination of Marshall, Cedeno, Gallagher, Patterson aint gonna cut it.

Um, forlife61, you must have me mistaken for a Cubs fan.

No base, I didnt. You actually make pretty intelligent, thought out remarks out here..so no I didnt think you were a cubs fan. I was just being sarcastic. I do expect this deal to go thru though. When it does I hope a certain fanbase sees how far off they were with their asinine proposals.

but u have to realize that even though they project them to be there, they probaly wont. i see marshall as a decent releiver in the mlb and gallagher and cedeno will disappear in the next 3-5 years.

Congrats M's fans. Nice deal.

Muck the Fets!

I've literally been smoking too much wacky tobacky. Should just shake out better for the Roberts trade on the Cubs side.

I'm always careful to talk about Cubs prospects here because it sets off such a chain reaction. All in all, when you see young pitchers who project to be #3-5 SPs, they generally end up being marginal players over the course of their careers. A big part of projection comes from evaluating basic fundamental things that just won't change much as they grow older, like velocity and stuff. A lot of the true #3 SPs of the league today were actually #1 projected guys who fell short for one reason or another. A lot of the #3-5 projected guys in baseball just 5 years ago are out of baseball completely.

I'm really making a statement on how crazy peoples idea of roberts value is. Even if two of those three become league average in their respectable psotions I feel it's worth it. I just don't see any team making a better offer then that and no one is going to give us a true impact prospect for him.

I think the best trade from the Cubs standpoint would be Marshall, Veal, and Patterson, but that would have to mean that no one else would beat that, and I don't know how true that is.